God 5. Dost thou Believe that the Man Christ is any where now in being besides that being that the Quakers say he hath in them and if so â—here is he In Heaven Earth or in every Man and every Greaâ—re 6. Whether the Light that you say every Man hath be a Creature or no 7. Whether the Light that every Man hath be of the very same Nature with the Spirit of Faith and Regeneration or of a different kind or take it thus Whether it differ from the new Creature in â—â—cie 8. Whether that which Jesus Christ of Nazareth did and suffered above six hundred years since in Judea be not the matter of fallen Man's Instification in the sight of God 9. Whether any actions or sufferings of any besides these of his have â—y merit worth desert in them to purchase anything at God's hand for any of Mankind 10. Whether Christ Jesus died in the room place stead of any or only for their benefit or advantage 11. Whether God's imputing Righteousness to any Man be any thing else but his putting Righteousness into the Creature by Sanctiâ—ing of it 12. Whether Justification be not an Act of god in absolving and â—â—quitting a sinner for Christ's sake in opposition to condemning as in Rom. 8. Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's Elect it is Gad that Justifies who shall Condâ—mn and accounting him Righteous for the personal Righteousness sake of Christ that was wholly without the sinner 13. Whether God doth not find every one ungodly and in their sinâ— when he first gives Faith to them that justifies them according to that Rom. 5. He Justifieth the ungodly 14. Whether by the Blood of Christ thou mean est any thing that is not in thy heart and soul within thy self whether thou meanest that material Blood that was shed from that material Body of Jesus of Naâ—â—teth when he did hang upon the Tree at Mount Calvary without the Gates of Jerusalem withal his material real sufferings both of Soul and Body 15. Whether that Blood theâ—e shed was not the Blood of God according to Acts 20.28 he being God as well as Man 16. Whether Remission of all sins was not actually purchased by the Death of Christ above 1600 years since for all that have been or shall be saved 17. Is any Man any father Justified than Sanctified any farther forgiven than according to that Degree that sin is Mortified in him 18. Whether is Justification any thing else but an Act of the Light within every Man upon obedience to it giving Peace 19. Whether is there any good work done by any Man before he is Justified and forgiven all his sins 20. Whether Faith as a Habit in or Act of our Mind or any good work proceeding from the Spirit in us be any part of that Righteousness that Justifies 21. Whether there is any such thing in the Nature of God as Vindictive Justice so that sin must be punished upon all them that accept not of the Atonement of Christ Jesus by the Sacrifice of himself 22. Whether the Light within or the person of Christ without be the object of Justifying Faith or whether Faith be any thing but obedience to the Light that every Man hath 23. Whether have not all the Sons of Men Christ excepted the guilt of Adam's first transgression upon them before they are Justified and called and so are by Nature Children of Wrath Rom. 5. in him we all sinned 24. Are any so perfect in this Life as to be above the confession of Sin to God 25. Of what Use is that Intercession of Christ as a High-Priest in Heaven 26. Whether there be a higher Prophecy than the Writings of the Prophets and Apostles and it so where is it and what is it 27. Are not the Holy Scriptures of the Prophets and Apostles the Rule of Faith and Life 28. Whether dost thou believe that the sime natural Body of Man after the departure of the Soul from it doth rise to Life again 29. Whether are our distinct personal Beings preserved in the future state whether we lose them being swallowed up into God at death 30. Whether the Light that every Man believed in obeyed trusted to is not the Jesus the Righteousness the Justification the Blood the Remission the Mystery the Experience the Faith the Cleansing the Sanctification the Shedding Drinking Sprinkling of the Blood is it not the price of infinite value that freeth from the Wrath is it not the Life the Vertue of the Blood the choice Raiment the putting it 〈◊〉 the opening of the Understanding to know the Mystery which words and phrases are all in this thy Testimony Answer plainly is there any more in thy whole Treatise and this Postscript than this viz. to the Light obey the Light and whoever doth not is but in the History is but a Prodigal in a 〈◊〉 Country seeding among the Swine a poor naked starved Sinner every one that takes not up this Pâ—inciple i. e. is not a Quaker Let the Reader in these two following Columns compared together 〈◊〉 how near a kin the Quakers erroneous ways opinions and Practiâ—â—â— are to those of the Papists and so judg whether they had not their Original from Rome and John Crook do thou see thy self in this 〈◊〉 and behold thy spots that they are not the spots of God's Chilâ—â—â— see how like the Daughter is to the Mother the young to the 〈◊〉 Antichrist and repent and come out from among them lest thou with thy followers tast of her Plagues The Quakers and the Papists Parallel'd The Quaker The Papist 1. THe Quaker Believes that every one of then Teachers is infallible whilst he is a Preaching and Writing in or by the Light 1. THe Papist Believes that the Pope is infalâ—ibâ—e in the Chair 2. That the Body at Devonshire House must determine all things and every particular Quaker is to stoop to the Light of that Body although his and her particular Light dictates otherwise See the Book stiled the Hypocrisie and Tyranny of the Quakers 2. The Papist for an implicit Faith and a believing as the Church believes 3. The Quaker sets up his Light within equal with the Scriptures nay above them 3. The Papist sets up their Traditions equal with the Scripture 4. The Quakers are for Enthusiasm immediate Revelations and Voices and Visions 4. Many of the Papist's Doctrines and Orders came this way by pretended Revelation see Stillingfleet's Fanaticism of the Church of Rome 5. The Quakers say the first Motions to evil arising in the Heart if not consented to by the Will are not sin 5. These say the same viz. that Concupiscence is not sin 6. For Perfection in this Life 6. So the Papist for a State without sin in this Life the Beguardij in Germany Stillingfleet Idolatry of the Church of Rome Page 294. 7. That to attend to the Light that every one hath is sufficient for Salvation 7. See Stillingfleet idolatry pag. 295. That
by the Light and it doth justifie of which afterwards J. C. As if the Quakers were against that Confession of sin c. Ans Shall we not judg of your Opinions by your practices you Pray I know having heard you frequently without the least Confession of any sin Thus it may be the Quakers are not against the Confession of sin viz. they apprehend that others that are not Quakers being sinners ought to confess their sins But as for them they are not sinners I have lately tryed them in a discourse not a word can I draw out of them that they are sinners Wo unto them Pharisees Hypocrites Humphery Smith being asked at Hartford why he did not confess sin to God in Prayer answered he had none to confess as being no drunkard c. I can prove this by witness J. C. pag. ibid. We own the Holy Scriptures Answ Are not the Scriptures and Christ mightily obliged to you infallible Doctors that will condign to own such fragments and a Book patched up of so many scraps to help a little when the Church had lost the life of the Spirit One now living in Hartford about ten years since heard John Crook at Hartford in George Westwares house in a discourse amongst the people invalidating the Holy Scriptures as not being the Rule and that people should turn to the Light and therefore had words to this purpose as near as can be remembred viz. That at first the Saints lived by the life of the Spirit and were guided thereby and had none of those Books which they call meaning Professors the Scriptures which Scripture so called in the primitive times after they were written some part of them was at Corinth some at Colosse others at Rome c. now when the Churches had lost the life of the Spirit they called a Council and sent to those places and gathered those fragments and packed or patched them together and called them the Scriptures and he said fâ—rther That we had no more than the Rhemists who were Papists would let us have and that there was a Gospel written by some one of the Apostles and a Revelation by another which we had not when J. C. was charged with this at Hartford he replyed to the same person that had heard him that if these were his words it was not his Judgment J. C. pag. ibid. We say that if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness 1 Joh. 1.9 But confession of sin ought to be performed from the sense of evil of sin upon the Conscience and not out of formality and custom only as most do Ans We say the same here we agree but this phrase as most do I suppose are all of what sort soever that are not Quakers for Quakers do not at all confess sin therefore all are but in a senseless formal state besides them and what they do it is but out of custom Pag. ibid. Yet we say now this is spoke from an infallible oracle in the name of all the Quakers where the heart is sprinkled with the blood of Christ from an evil Conscience at that time and while remaining so thanksgiving is proper to be given to God for praise is comely for the upright and such Know c. Answ So may there not be a sense of the desert of the evil of sin though not anguish and trouble upon the Conscience for it at the same time that the Conscience is sprinkled with the blood of Christ and so there may be and should be Confession of sin and Praise together Supplication and Thanksgiving the Scripture speaks of and so in many of the Psalms there are Confessions and Thanksgiving together so there is a Rejoicing with Trembling I query whether the Quakers ever had a true sense of sin because they never do confess sin whether they are not much more perfect than Isaiah Job and John yet these Saints Consciences at that very time were sprinkled with the blood of Christ and so Isaiah when he said I am a man of unclean lips Paul had the sence of sin Rom. 7. yet at the same time gives thanks I query again whether any that have it sprinkled ever have it unsprinkled though they may lose the sense of it so indeed Praise not to exclude Confession is comely for the upright J. C. And such know the Blood of sprinkling to be a speaking blood it speaketh with the Apostle causing that soul that is washed with it alwayes to be mindful of it and truly to prize it Answ This true if rightly understood but by the Blood look in o Mr. Faldo's Key is to be meant the power of the light within not the sufferings of Christ according to the Quakers sense Remember what Pennington saith that external blood cannot cleanse the conscience the blood of Bulls and Goats could not do it no more can this there is no more worth in this than in other common blood in your account although thou dost afterwards seem to confess otherwise Pennington saith heavenly blood which Christ brought with him from Heaven and dwelt in the garment of the body a while and now is in every Quaker This is the blood thou meanest still thou art at Legerdemain Where doth this blood speak why we believe according to the Scriptures That as the high Priest entred into the Holy-place with the blood of the sacrifice so Christ by his own blood entred in once into the holy place Heb. 9.12 24. into heaven it self now to appear in the presence of God for us Now according to your Allegorists this Heaven it self is within man so was Christ in the Saints before he came in the flesh and his blood the Light within before any of his sufferings in the flesh But we now will declare our sound Scripture-sense as followeth Christ is our Advocate with the Father and his Blood the infinite worth of it the value of all his sufferings speaks to the Father John 1.2 he is an Advocate by vertue of his being a Propitiation as there it s spoken now he was not a propitiation within us therefore he is not an Advocate within that is the Spirits work enabling us to go to God in prayer through his Name yet we say that faith that looks to this and trusts to this is wrought within us by the Spirit and so know that the blood speaks the sufferings without and thus we have peace of Conscience J. C. pag. 9. Thou sayst Jesus Christ of Nazareth c. brought this Righteousness if thou believest that none were really saved or made righteous by that Righteousness of Christ till or after that time thy faith is contrary to the Scripture which calls Christs Righteousness an everlasting Righteousness Dan. 9.24 Isa 45.17 Micah 5. Answ Yea and again I say Jesus of Nazareth brought this Righteousness and he only and it was not actually brought in before according to that in Dan.
9.24 And to bring in everlasting Righteousness prophecying of the Messiahs coming in the flesh he saith Seventy weeks were to be accomplished to make reconciliation for iniquity atoning justice by being cut off vers 25. not for himself then it was to be and not till then not before he offered not himself before Heb. 9.26 But now once in the end of the World hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself Abraham David Paul none of them brought in this Righteousness was Paul crucified for you 1 Cor. 11.3 yet is this Righteousness an everlasting Righteousness the working of it was now and fulfilling of it in his person taking flesh upon him but yet everlasting in that it was first the Righteousness that the Father had from eternity designed Secondly the Righteousness of the eternal word Thirdly a Righteousness of an eternal virtue and efficacy Fourthly a Righteousness that remained forever where-ever it is imputed Fiftly a Gift never by God repented of Therefore it is very frivolous and arguâ—s nothing but that thou wantest matter to fill thy paper with to cavil in this wise as if it could enter into my thoughts that any either before or after were saved but by vertue of this Righteousness when-as against Papists Socinians Quakers I am pleading that all those I named viz. Abraham David Ezra Daniel Job Isaiah had no Righteousness that would save them but this because the other Righteousness they had in them was imperfect as appears by their Confession of sin and God will accept of nothing but what is intirely and absolutely perfect As to that Micah 5. I cannot find the word everlasting but only in the vers 2. where it is thus written whose goings forth have been of old from everlasting which is certainly spoke as to Christ's Deity for his coming forth from Bethlehem was in time there mentioned and then did he bring in and fulfil and not till then this Righteousness that I am speaking of In the fulness of time God sent his Son Gal. 3. Behold I come to do thy will A Body hast thou prepared me Heb. 10. J. C. pag. ibid. We Believe Salvation only by that Jesus which witnessed a good Confession before Pontius Pilate Answ This is a good Confession if only by him then not by the light within for that is not Jesus that witnessed before Pontius Pilate if only by him exclusive of all things else then not by the Vertues Gifts and Graces of the Spirit for they are not Jesus that witnessed amp c. J. C. pag. 10. For Answer to the Heathens Knowledg of God's Vengeance and sight in the Deity I refer the Reader to the Reply to the young Mens Book Answ I shall also defer my Answer in full till I come to that only say that I find you Brethren in iniquity in abusing so grosly my words If you do it not with purpose and design then you be more ignorant than School-Boys If designedly it is Jesuite-like my words are these viz. They saw speaking of that Barbarous people in the Deity a Vengeance ready to punish Now would not a Boy of seven years of Age take it thus viz. They saw a Vengeance ready to punish sin in the Deity i. e. to be in the Deity and thou with thy Brother makes this phrase viz. in the Deity to be the modus of their seeing the Vengeance when-as before I said that God had Justice in him there is the Subject of it the very Light of Nature sheweth there is the way and manner of their seeing it not as you say and make use of it as a Concession for your turns sight in the Deity i. e. Light that was in their Consciences believing the Light to be God himself O horrid Blasphemy you would make me speak-like your selves I believe no other Light in those Heathens but that of Nature and this was not the Deity But 〈◊〉 the Reader take notice that J. C. wholly passeth over this Paragraph concerning that of Christ's Righteousness as indeed he doth the other two before which consists in his sufferings and making satisfaction and not a word unto that Vengeance that is naturally in God lest he should discover himself to be a Socinian Oh for a little plainness from this people for if this be true that God hath a Vengeance in him and that naturally his Nature engageth to punish sin and all have sinned I would know how all the Righteousness of meer Man will or can atone this but I had like to have omitted something material J. C. pag. ibid. But for thy own knowledg of it I find thee like the Pharisees of old casting all God's Vengeance upon Christ an easie way of thou could'st so escape it by imagining his doing and suffering God's pleasure to be reckoned thine by a bare belief of it wholly without thee Answ I do not understand thee help me herein I pray thee how the Pharisees did cast all God's Vengeance upon Christ as a way to escape the wrath to come Mat. 3.7 I never read this or heard of it It is written who hath warned you to fly from the wrath to come and that followes bring forth Fruit meet for Repentance so then they having some convictions upon their Consciences and apprehensions of wrath through John's Ministry betake themselves to the Baptism of John believing that an External submission to this would be sufficient to 〈◊〉 their Consciences in the mean while being destitute of any inward change of heart or any real Holiness in their lives and all this while had no whit of Faith in Jesus Christ which is always accompanied with true Repentance as the beginning of it These Pharisees were very ignorant of Christ if not altogether they were Vipers John calls them so they placed their Religion in their carnal kindred to Abraham v. 9. and were Chaff to be burnt up v. 12. yet thou dost make their Faith as good as the Faith of any of the Godly in the Nation my Knowledg of the Vengeance of God is this which I express in the Epistle if it should rest upon thee or me or any of the Sons of Mâ—â— or all Mankind it would burn to the neithermost Hell Therefore having felt something of it in my Conscience in the sence of Sin and knowing more of it was due to me for my sins I fly by Faith which the Spirit works in me by the hearing the Gospel to Jesus Christ 〈◊〉 be delivered from this wrath to come 1 Thess 1.10 believing through Grace that all that Vengeance and Wrath that was due to me for transgression was upon that person Jesus my Surety in my stead and room and though thou dost scurrilously call the Faith we have Imagining yet this is the Faith of God's Elect Isai 53. The Chastisement of our Peace was upon him which we should have born in the same kind v. 7. the right reading of it is it was exacted and he answered and whoever believes not thus
shall find wrath in his Conscience if his judgment be not intoxicated with error as thine is I perceive this by what thoâ— sayest here that thou hast but tasted very scantly of the wrath of God in thy Conscience otherwise thou wouldest not have such slighting thoughts of it as to apprehend it to be atoned any other way than by Christ's bearing it who sweat drops of Blood under it and thy unacquaintedness with the Nature of Faith in that thou callest it an easie way Ah John what meanest thou to turn the scoffer like Julian do the Saints find it an easie way who are crying out daily Lord help or unbelief but it is such an easie way that you poor Creatures have not hit of it nay you will fully despise and scorn it I doubt Ah J. C. here thou stumblest at the Cross of Christ and art leavened in thy mind with Hellish Socinianism the dirt will out at length John here thou art plainly ashamed of the Cross of Christ dares not own that the wrath of God was upon Christ Oh Repent John of the thoughts of thy heart and let that Scripture convince thee Gal. 3. He was made a Curse for us c. whatever thou dost pretend afterwards in thy Lines concerning Christ's sufferings the enlightned Reader will know by this that it 's but to blind the People In the last place thou sayest in the same Paragraph by a bare Belief of it wholly without that which thou calledst before an Imagining here thou callest Belief and 〈◊〉 Belief what wouldest thou John have more than Faith here thou discoverest thy self to be a Papist Oh what a bundle of Rottenâ—â—â—â— is Quakerism thou wouldest have Works to justifie us Faith only if not sufficient against which error the Protestants thou knowest have â—â—â—â—â—nded Rom. 4. He that worketh not but Believeth there is Faith only 〈◊〉 Belief John what sayest thou to that though that Faith that is justifying will work by Love yet it receives no efficacie from its being accompanied with Works as to our Justification but from the Object without how sad is it that every Truth must be struck at by a 〈◊〉 sort of Papists J. C. Here we differ in our account I say according to Dan. 9.24 â—king of Christ pag. 16 to finish Transgression and to make an end 〈◊〉 sin and to make Reconciliation for Iniquity and to bring in everlasting Righteousness c. I know and believe Salvation by the imputed 〈◊〉 and real everlasting Righteousness of Jesus Christ brought 〈◊〉 Answ Enough if thou wast but real in thy expressions let us turn 〈◊〉 on every side it is likely the cheat may be found out if thou art 〈◊〉 what then means thy arguing against my asserting Imputation and taking up most of my Arguments for it pretending to Answer them what a Knave is he that will pretend kindness to my dear Friend whom I love and profess friendship to him and in the mean-while go about to wound him and stab him to the heart if thou art real in this for Imputed Righteousness when I charged Penn for calling it a Doctrine of Devils why didst thou instead of bearing thy Testimonie against him call upon me to Answer his Arguments for 〈◊〉 if thou be for it why dost thou not Preach it and thy Brethren 〈◊〉 are contradicting it in all your Meetings there is no end of thy dissembling it is a professed Trade thou drives as the Mountebancks up and down the Country But proceed we what may we understand by this word Imputed which he acknowledgeth Why one of your Gang can tell us James Naylor Love to the Lost pag. 7. and with him his Righteousness is freely imputed or put into the Creature so now we have his sence Imputed Righteousness is Righteousness put into the Creature 1. That spotless Manhood of Christ 2. His active Obedience all the holy Actions of his Life 3. All the Sufferings of Christ for herein we say by the Righteousness of Christ All these are put into every Quaker and so in this sence not imputing Trespasses is God's not putting them into us I cannot omit another Testimonie from another Doctor of them Smith Cat. pag. 64. and 12. We believe that Christ in us doth offer 〈◊〉 himself a Living Sacrifice to God for us by which the Wrath and Justice of God is appeased towards us Salvation then by Imputed Righteousness you must understand Christ offering up of himself in us in the Quakers sence and so appeasing Gods Wrath. The other word Reckoned is not thus that what Christ as a Surety hath paid down for me in his Obedience is accounted as if I had paid it as we say and that truly but according to the other it must be as mony in a Man 's own purse there told and reckoned which he hath to pay to God at any time when he demands not needing any to pay it for him Real thou 〈◊〉 as if there was no reality in the Act of God reckoning and imputing Righteousness but by this and by the other thou understandest in opposition to the Faith of God's Elect which thou callest Imagination 〈◊〉 it is something more and better than what is received by Faith that is not to thee a Real Righteousness The other word is brought nigh well then it is too far off thee if thou have it no other way than by Faith I had thought that Faith had been the substance of things hoped for that by Faith Christ dwelt in our hearts and that there had been a reality in God's Acts of imputing that what God Reckoned to Abraham had been very Real for he was really saved Thou mistrusted God John But the sum of all is this viz. The Light within Obedience to that is this imputed reckoned real Righteousness of Christ For the Light is Christ Remember Fox the younger's Testimony before he speaks of the Light what it would do if obeyed I will forgive all their Iniquities c. and hear the Old Fox Bark Christ being within there is justification Mystery pag. 49. J. C. pag. ibid. Which in the fulness of Time was manifest in and 〈◊〉 him and in due time was really made mine by the Work and Application 〈…〉 Spirit in my inward parts Answ This is true plainly understood as spoken But if a Man be caught stealing and cheating once or twice he is greatly suspected when ever he is dealt with We have thee tardy John frequently and now no trusting of thee Thou only steals the good and wholsom words that have been used by us that thou mayest make thy putrid errors go off the better Thou hast learned to dress that Strumpet Quakerism up in a more modest sober attire than thy Brethren that so she may be taken for a chast Matron Now let me explain what we understand by this viz. That Righteousness that was manifest in Christ and by Christ in the fulness of Time it was that which I have already distanced in viz. 1.
And Secondly because it is really in our minds and therefore ours Answ If thou look into the Epistle again thou mayest see thy mistake I give the Reasons why the Gifts and Vertues that Gods Spirit works in us are our Righteousness in contradistinction to the Righteousness of Christ wherby we are justified and the first Reason is because the Scripture calls Faith our Faith c. 2. Our Souls are the Subjects of this Righteousness it is really in our Minds now why dost thou make of thy own head this last Clause another distinct Reason when-as it is but the same in other words to explain the former Thou shouldest not wrong me in transcribing what I have writ But I attend thy motion Go on J. C. Parag. ibid. Yet thou sayest in this place Christ is really 〈◊〉 Righteousness Jehovah Tsidkenu What one while he is really Righteousness and another while not real but reckoned I would not wrong 〈◊〉 but thy words are plain Answ I suppose the Quakers will admire thee here as in all other of thy Cavils but what thou aimest at I know not well I suppose thy Invention here ran a Tilt and was low but I will adventure to reconcile the seeming Contradiction the Vertues and Gifts of the Spirit are really in our minds this is the Righteousness that Sanctifies Christ as the Branch and Jehovah with all he did and suffered personally is really our Righteousness for Justification and yet this Righteousness is a Reckoned Righteousness and imputed not inhering in us but very real still for there is a reality in God's Reckoning it to us and it is really ours as I said as if we had so done and suffered Some may busie themselves to find a Knot in a Bulrush J.C. pag. ibid. Thy calling William Penn a Novice manifests only Pride in thy self but it is no proof against him and the truly considerate will account thy charge upon him to belong to thy self till thou hast confuted his Arguments Answ The truly considerate weighing what there I charge him with will think it too little I charge him with this viz. That he 〈◊〉 the Doctrine of imputed Righteousness the Doctrine of Devils Now â— Novice is but one that hath been newly in the Faith and is pussed up But here he hath denied at once the Faith of all God's people in all Ages and maligned it making the glorious Doctrine of Christ to be Patronized by the Devil If Luther had lived and seen this he would have anathematized this Proud Man and thee John for thy thus questioning of it and nibbling at it But Remember Paul hath done it and it will stand upon Record against you viz. If any Man Evangelize otherwise than we have let him be accursed John who will think thee in earnest in thy seeming good words in owning this Doctrine as before and after when instead of bearing thy Witness against this Shuttle-Cock thou callest me to Answer his Musty Popish Arguments which which he hath penn'd against imputed Righteousness John they are all Answered already by those that the Lord raised up against Bellarmine the Jesuite and other Papists by Downham Ames c. Let the Reader call to mind before I leave this J. C's Profession viz. I Believe Salvation by the imputed Reckoned Righteousness c. But you will cease to Breath before you will cease Deceiving and yet here takes part with Penn's calling it a Doctrine of Devils J. C. Thou sayest If Jesus Christ had the guilt of sin really charged upon him what Dost thou suppose the Innocent Lamb of God to be really guilty of Sin What Blasphemy is this What really guilty of that which thy self saith he neither did nor had Yet thou bringest Scripture to prove it 2 Cor. 5. ult Answ This is an old Rotten cavil of the Quakers which I have heard often and of their Brethren the Socinians in their Books Christ was the Lamb of God I acknowledg not the Light within as Fox and others say that John pointed to the Light within when he said the Lamb of God c. and this Lamb of God was in his own Nature innocent without Spot Holy harmless and undefiled and thou sayest I write that he had no sin i. e. inherent as you see in the Epistle nor did any sin which is true Yet in my own words I dare say again that Christ had the guilt of sin really charged on him yet am I no Blasphemer no thou chargest Paul that saith in 2 Cor. 5. ult He was made sin to which thou answerest not a word if he had not sin on him God in Righteousness could not have punished this innocent Lamb But thou art ashamed I tell thâ—e of Christ's Cross this is foolishness to thee viz. Christ to be made sin J. C. pag. ibid. Thou useth many words to prove the imputation of Christ Righteousness to Man while in Sin and Rebellion against God Answ If thou cou'dst have found any words importing so much no question thou wouldest have repeated them over and over but there are none I am pleading that this Righteousness is imputed to Believers it is offered in the Preaching of it to poor sinners and if God gives Faith it will change their hearts we will grant that when God comes to justifie he finds all in sin ungodly Rom. 5. Rebels Enemies but he leaves them not so but gives strength to them not to trade in sin it hath not Dominion over them but we are not ignorant that by this Phrase viz. Our being in sin The Quaker understands sin being in us and so we still say that Christ's Righteousness is imputed to them that are in sin and Rebellion i. e. sin dwells in them otherwise no need of the imputation of the Righteousness of Christ And therefore these things are not contraries to have sin working in us and yet by Faith in Christ to be righteous and justified and at unity with God reconciled to him while that which is contrary to God dwells in 〈◊〉 being justified by Faith we have Peace with God Christ hath slain the Enmity and made us one with God in friendship with himself so that notwithstanding that Maxim of thine of contraries this is true That a sinner i. e. one that hath sin in him at the same time though sin in it self be contrary to the Nature of God and so impossible it should be in Unity with God may through Jesus Christ be justified and have Union with Christ J. C. Parag. ibid. Vain Man Doth not the Apostle James Chap. 2.20 say that Faith without works is dead Answ He doth so and we believe the Scriptures cannot be broken but are these two inconsistent viz. To have sin dwelling in us by which you understand Rebellion and being in sin see Mr. Faldoes Key and having Faith with good Works We say Faith is dead and so no Faith at all without Works but only so called But again May there not be a Living Faith and so Cloathed with
is real in our own minds therefore ours what a Christian and an Enemy to reality Answ These pretty Rattles will please Children I dislike not John our own Righteousness for it's reality in our minds but say it is no Righteousness at all if it be not real but Hypocrisie but thou knowest how I speak it in way of distinguishing it from the other Righteousness Our Righteousness which consists in the Gifts c. wrought in us is really in our minds Now the Righteousness of Christ is not in our minds at all but in his own person I speak it thou seest to explain to any that should not understand what it is for our souls to be the subjects of this Righteousness i. e. It is for one to have any thing really in him and this I speak likewise to distinguish it from the Righteousness that is imputed to us though there is a reality in that Imputation but it is not the reality of Inhesion I do not speak this I dare appeal to thee that thou seest it as being an Enemy to reality There is a reality in God's imputing Righteousness and forgiving sin and a reality in his work upon our hearts but he hath appointed the one to Justifie us and the other to Sanctifie us and that Righteousness which is to justifie us is perfect and compleat and is the Righteousness of his Son the other is not compleat in this Life though it 's really in us and so will not justifie us Then I am not an Enemy to the Reality of Holiness as thou wouldest make me but to Real Quakerism and Socinianism that would have Mâ—n justified by the Law of Works J. C. Parag. ibid. What a Spiritual Man and an opposer of those Gifts and Vertues the Spirit works in our minds calling them our own Righteousness Answ I am no Enemy to the Gifts and Vertues of the Spirit while I would have them be kept in their place and would have Christ still have the Preheminence otherwise I should be an Enemy to Christ they are for Sanctification is a Man an Enemy to the Chancelour if he saith he is not the King if my Eâ—nity appear in calling them our own Righteousness then Paul is an Enemy to them for the calls them so Phil. 3.9 Not having my own Righteousness which is of the Law Now is there any Righteousness wrought in us that is not required by the Law yet he calls it his own Righteousness J. C. Parag. ibid. What must the poor in Spirit the meek the Mourner the Hungerer and Thirster the Merciful the Pure in Heart the Peace-maker deny their Blessedness which they must do if these be their own Righteousness c. Answ I affirm that there is no Blessedness to any but as they aâ— in Christ and so are pardoned and accepted and forgiven in his Righteousness Rom. 4. Blessed is the Man to whom the Lord imputeth not Iniquity in Mat. 5. Christ spoke this to his Disciples as thou mayest see who were in him and were pardoned and forgiven had received by Faith this Righteousness of Christ doest thou think that there is any Blessedness in these qualifications considered in themselves or any merit in Poverty mourning c. to obtain Salvation only they prepare the Soul for Blessedness None will receive Christ and his Righteousness but the Poor the Hungry the Thirsty c. But their Blessedness consists not in being Poor or Hungry or Thirsty but in that it is a Token to them that Christ their Blessedness is and shall be theirs And again as to those positive qualifications Blessedness is annexed only as they are Tokens and Evidences to them that God hath had mercy on them and is at peace with them therefore I dare say that not one such as these but deny that their Blessedness lies in these qualifications for they see defects in all their Mournings Meekness c. But it lies as there it is spoke in obtaining Mercy v. 7. In being filled with Righteousness v. 6. i. e. Christ's Righteousness Besides let me say that there is no right Mourning Meekness Purity but first we are in Christ and so this Righteousness imputed no eternal Reward is promised but to those in Christ Rom. 5. ult Grace reigns through Righteousness unto Eternal Life by Jesus Christ our Lord. J. C. Pag. 14. What must they turn from reality and lay hold on imagination Answ Here John thou dost with a Brazen-Face call all the Faith of all that are not Quakers an Imagination is there not a Reality in God's Act but of that before J. C. From Real Enjoyments and possessions to conceived or imagined Apprehensions Answ This is the same over again still concluding that Chrst's Righteousness is but a Fancy that there is no possessing of it that none have any enjoyments that are Real but the Quakers all the rest to the end of that Paragraph is but the same over again and hath been Answered only adding this for the Readers memory as an Antidote still that the Reality of our Inherent Righteousness will not make it perfect and so it cannot justify us though from the sincerity and reality of it we may be comforted as it is an evidence that we are pardoned and justified J. C. Pag. ibid. The sum of the matter is this that our heads and not our hearts c. Answ This is false in that I speak of Faith now Man Believes with his heart J. C. Our Bodies and not our Souls Answ This likewise is false for I have said that our persons We and expresly that this Righteousness of Sanctification is in our Souls and minds He goes on Parag. ibid. Our own conceivings and not Reality Answ I said that the Gifts of the Spirit were Really in our minds which thou didst quarrel with me for and I say there is a Reality in Imputation and in Faith for it is the substance of things c. yet here thou suggestest the contrary But I go on to trace thee J. C. Parag. ibid. Our Imaginations without and not the Gifts and Vertues of the Spirit within our minds are the Subjects of true Righteousness according to thy account Answ Here in Conclusion that he might cause the Reader to lose the â—atter in hand he runs all into a confusion and speaks nonsence endeavouring to make the Reader believe that it is his Adversary that speaks it Whoever said imaginations were the Subjects of true Righteousness Our Souls I said were the Subjects of Faith and Love wherein this Righteousness consisted I do not say Faith which thou callest Imagination was the Subject of it but it was part of inherent Righteousness He proceedeth And not the Gifts c. Here John thou wouldest have the Gifts and Vertues of the Spirit be the Subjects of true Righteousness viz. Inherent for that thou art treating of which doth consist in Graces and Vertues c. i. e. Righteousness is the Subject of it self but this is like you The sum in
not my Judgment He can speak any thing with his mouth to the people and believe the Contrary thing in his Judgment at the same time But to the matter Thou askest me where I find such a word in Scripture as Contrived as if I err from the from of sound words Now John I could be heartily glad if I had never heard a more unsound word from the in thy preaching thou might well have joyned that to it which I have writ in the 6th Head viz. in infinite Wisdom contrived This makes it sound a little better I confess I might have said appointed and that had been the very Scripture-word But this is such another mighty Stone as J. B. threw at me at Hartford when he told me humane Nature of Christ was a word I must not use because not in the Scripture But John is the import of this word any more than appointed ordained willed purposed and are not all these in Scripture Rom. 3. he 〈◊〉 set forth 1 Pet. 1.20 who was fore-ordained But I begin to be 〈◊〉 of playing thus at Pash-pin with thee J. C. Parag. ibid. Sometimes calling Faith our own Righteousness and again without Faith it is impossible to please God as if a Man could please God by Mans Righteousness Answ We have not yet done Who but thee John sees any Contradiction in this Faith as a Habit or Act in us is our own Righteousness I have all along distinguished between Chri'sts Righteousness and Faith in the Epistle this may be seen that upon that Scripture 〈◊〉 4. Abraham believed and is was 〈◊〉 to him for Righteousness I say not the action of Believing but that which he rested upon justified yet this is true likewise that without Faith it is impossible to please God because Faith doth trust to those Sufferings that did pacify please God yet Faith did not dye on the Cross So that we please God by Faith not as being an Habit or Act in us barely so considered but as it doth relate to its Object and takes hold of the Object God is pleased not for Faiths sake but for Christ's sake that Faith Receives I query John whether it be the hand that receiveth the mony or the mony that enricheth yet the mony without the hand is not received whether was it the Eye or Serpent that healed yet not without seeing Did Abel's Faith without Christ make his Sacrifice acceptable or please or pacify God or was it the Sacrifice of Christ that which his Faith respeâ—ed But if you will in this matter hear Fox speak more plainly for John will not pull his Mask off yet Fox's great Mystery pag. 49. This Justification is by the Faith of Christ within for all the Holy Men of God were Justifyed by their Faith and that Faith is in their Heart So this is that the Quakers with their Brethren the Romanists contend for viz. Justifying Righteousness to be within because Faith is within in opposition to which we say Faith is taken Relatively with its Object Christ and so Justifyeth even as David also describeth the Blessedness of the Man unto whom the Lord imputeth Righteousness without Works 〈◊〉 Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven c. J. C. pag. ibid. Thou sayest the young Man may now engage without any Peril any Quaker in England This is like Goliahs Boast but let 〈◊〉 him that putteth on the Harness boast as he that putteth it off I suppose 〈◊〉 if not thy self will be of another mind when you have impartially 〈◊〉 the Reply to the young Mans Book to which I refer the Reader to Judg of his great ability or rather his confused indigested thoughts concerning the Mysteries of God and Christ Answ I know the Quakers so well John that they are to me a very inconsiderable Enemy insomuch that any one that hath but by the Holy Ghost been taught the Principles of the Christian Religion may encounter with them and that with little difficulty or danger and when I cast my Eye abroad who they are that you have prevailed with to fall in with you see some you fell upon as Simeon and Levi did upon the Shechemites when they were sore under troubles of Conscience from awakings by the Law before any healings came by the Gospel and picked up them others were straglers from the Camp either that have been cast out of Churches or never setled in any way some that have taken up some prejudices against Christians or through some 〈◊〉 and Ambition highly discontent a sound humble Christian is out of your reach I have talked with many and could not find any of this people that could even give any telerable account of the Christian Religion And how many turn Quakers whose hearts are not turned to God a change in their Carriage and Garb but not in their Soul the same Passions and Pride 〈◊〉 Now Glory if you can in such a Regiment The young Man I confess is no Goliah but more like a Stripling and to take off from the Credit of the story hath been reported by you to be but a meer Boy but in God's strength both he and I have put on our Harness and will not put them off as long as you fight against the Truth and may and will boast in Jesus Christ and in his Truth and Love towards his Elect as the Captain of our Salvation J. C. Pag. ibid. Whereas thou sayest the Quakers keep people in perfect Popish Slavery the Quakers knew no Bondage and Slavery like the â—â—â—dage and Slavery of Sin which you believe all Men must continue in 〈◊〉 of Life and so thou refers us to thy Brother Baylies Book Answ I never saw a people in more perfect Bondage There is nothing more plainly appears than Bondage upon them it is written upon all their Words and Carriages the Principle of the Quakers tends to perfect Bondage viz. That they are to give heed to something within as to an Oracle which hath put many on to hard and difficult tasks going beyond Seas going naked long fastings going three Miles upon their Knees c. and no resistings is not this Bondage and is not this in your Religion viz. That it is to be Obeyed as Fox saith for Life and Salvation and that to perfection That your people sit Brooding upon this Principle in expectation of a Chimaera perfection in this Life must not this be Bondage to the uttermost Now what if they dye before With what fears must they needs depart Only you have got the Popish knack to tell your people that Concupiscence is no sin i. e. evil motions arising not consented to are not sin And here I will take leave in a Digression to propound some Arguments against that error of the Quakers viz. That first Risings to evil in the heart if not consented to are not sin desiring J. C. to give a fair Answer to them 1. That which the Apostle of Christ Paul calleth by the name of 〈◊〉 surely is
so then Ignatius Loyola the first founder of Jesuitism was a Quaker as you may see before Pag. 72. 3. Thou implyest that God is offended by putting off the Hat in Saluting a Friend then it must be a sin and if a sin a breach of some of the words of the Moral Law delivered by Moses and if so I ask of which Whether of the 5th viz. Honour thy Father and Mother 4. It seemeth thou thinkest a Man ought to keep his Hat on though he is perswaded otherwise and so acts against his Light The third thing Bayly saith the young Man was no Quaker because of that passage that he hath viz. I was ready to assent to every thing the Quakers did whether I saw ground for it or not upon which thou askest whether this be the Quakers way Reply He saith only That he was ready to assent not that he did assent 2. I appeal to any impartial one whether there be not as perfect superstition among the Quakers as among any people under Heâ—ven an affected doting imitation of their Teachers in many things whether any ground for them or no in themselves 3. See the Books stiled the Spirit of the Hat and the other called the Tyranny and Hypocrisie of the Quakers there may you find instances by name of some Quakers that have been called upon at Devonshire-House to submit 〈◊〉 the sence of the Body though it was not according to the Light that he or she had at present The 4th thing is about that manner of Speech which the Quaker 〈◊〉 viz. Thou and not You to single persons asking whether it be the Quaker way Reply Yea it is the way of some Quakers whom I know and coulâ— name they do speak in this common way which is as proper thougâ—â— not in other Languages yet in ours as the other as instances you 〈◊〉 in the Translation of the Scriptures into our Language but to concludâ— this the young Man was of this mind Pag. 3. of his Book viz. the finding something within that did convince him of sin and hearing 〈◊〉 Jesus that came to save sinners because likewise the Quakers 〈◊〉 much of the Light that every Man hath and that there must be Obedience to it did believe that this was the Christ and so did obey the Light 〈◊〉 Christ and found a reformation insomuch that Pag. 8. he thought that he was perfect and without Sin and that he had not if God should call him out of this World one sin to Answer for Now Bayly is not he that is of this mind a Quaker yea a perfect Quaker to Believe the Light within to be Christ to obey this as such to be faithful in it to a Pretended perfection is not this the Faith Way Spirit Principle Life Soul of a Quaker And thou canst not Bayly refuse any but own him that is thus minded although his Light at present tells him that he ought to put off his Hat and Salute his Neighbour and that by his Light he seeth no warrant for silent Meetings and that it will give him leave to say You as well as Thou unless thou wilt take up and defend this Prnciple which is already started at Devonshire House viz. That every single person must be guided not by his or her own single Light But by the Light of the Body of your Teachers which Penn hath pleaded for in a late Book So then your first professed Principle is gone and every one must no longer Act as he is guided by his own Light Answer plainly Bayly and rail no more for my calling him Quaker I do still believe by all that ever I could learn by my Converse with the Quakers and reading their Books that he was as real a Quaker as was in England had as far improved their Principle as any of you as for the other things thou mentionest they are but the Appurtenances of a Quaker He that hath the Soul and Body of a Man is certainly a seal Man although he wants some Hair or Nails or the like So here or I look upon this Clownish Custom rather as an excrescency from the Body as a Wen or Wart or some proud Flesh rather that is arisen and grown out of your false Principles that leads directly to Pride and Affectation and singularity in Carriage and Behaviour placing Religion where Christ never did in Hats Lace Ribbon saying You and Thou c. So that Will. Bayly I have not lyed as thou sayest but have told the Truth and need not be ashamed of it The young Man hath sufficiently in his 〈◊〉 Book testified that he was a Quaker which the Reader may view In Pag. 24. Thou lookest upon this abstaining from saying You in our ordinary discourse to be that bridling of the Tongue spoke of in James 1.26 Now I query is every one that useth this mode of speaking guilty of an unbridled Tongue And doth every one that is such deceive himself and his Religion in vain And so he is damned Again I query whether James the Apostle doth not by this viz. not bridling the Tongue understand the same with that in Chap. 3. giving Liberty thereunto to Curse Men v. 9. while we pretend likewise to bless God therewith now if any people in England he so guilty as you this way let others judg so that sooner might all the Wild-Horses in a Country been ruled and broke with Bitts and Bridles than this people caused to desist from cursing all about them What a bridled Tongue this Baily hath you may see in his Book which is full of Railings In the same Page thou speakest of thy sufferings for these things Reply We Justify not them that persecuted you but say if you suffered not in some things as busie-bodies in other mens matters disturbing many a Holy Man in his Ministry but as Christians you need not be ashamed glory not in your sufferings but learn to glory in Jesus Christ In Pag. 25. Thou assertest that silent Meetings are a means through which the Quakers came to know the Lord and thou goest about to proâ—â— that the Writers of the Scriptures and Holy Men of God of old calling them your Brethren were for silent Meetings in their Practice Reply I have read in Rom. 10. v. 17. That Faith cometh by hearing but thou assert'st it cometh without hearing v. 14. How can they beâ—â— without a Preacher but thou hast found a way by silent Preaching 1 Cor. 1. it 's said By the foolishness of Preaching to save c. but it 's foolish to talk so here is a way found out to save without Preaching I query what that Lord is and what that Salvation is that ye came to know by silent Meetings Whether any other than the Light within and Obedience to that Light and thereupon some Peace which indeed may be attained without the Gospel being heard The Indians have this in their Religious Meetings but can Jesus Christ the Lord and Salvation by him be known
to any without hearing of it first by the outward ear Can they believe that never heard the word of Faith God can it 's true reveal himself without any outward means but is it his ordinary way Hath he not declared his Will viz. That he makes known himself and his Salvation by Preaching But this same Baily saith no but by silent Meetings and his Brother the Prophet Isaiah is for silent Meetings Chap. 26.8 Yea in the way of thy Judgments O Lord have we waited for thee thy Judgments i. e. silent Meetings would it not be better understood of Afflictions and Chastisements upon the Godly which God inflicts with moderation when-as in 1 Cor. 11.32 it is there When we are Judged we are Chastned Judging is Chastning Judgments then are better expounded Chastisements thâ—n silent Meetings There was indeed a silent Meeting by many of the Corinthians but it was then in the Graves v. 30. For this Cause God did so Judg them that many fell asleep in Death What is there more then in this Scripture but this viz. God's people will wait upon him cleave to him love God honour and serve him in their Afflictions when-as Hypocrites will run away and cast off his fear and speak hardly of him saying why should we wait any longer But another Scripture to prove silent Meetings a means of knowing the Lord is Isa 41.1 keep silence before me O Islands here is the word 〈◊〉 Reply O Islands what is meant by them look into v. 5. The Isles 〈◊〉 the ends of the Earth i. e. the remote places from Judea 6 7. Which worshipped Idols as you may see there next Let the people reâ—â—â— their strength what by people here is to be understood the people here is not Israel for the word is in the plural number and so denotes the Nations in opposition to Israel and in v. 8. you may see Israel is spoke to in contradistinction to the Nations Renew their strength i. e. â—â—ster up themselves and get what power they can and let them speak i. e. then let them plead for themselves now what this keeping silence is Why the Prophet calls to them being about to speak to 〈◊〉 by writing of great things viz. v. 2. Who raised up the Righteous 〈◊〉 gave the Nations before him and made him rule over Kings v. 4. 〈◊〉 hath wrought and done it i. e. Was it any of the Idols that did this Nay I the Lord as it followeth in that same 4th v. He puts these Questions to them and knew they must be silent For it was his own Power not the power of their Idols that did all these great things this is the right understanding now according to you I know another thing can be evinced out of this Scripture but such a sence as this viz. That after the people of the Nations had ended the noise 〈◊〉 would be in making them Idols the Carpenters Goldsmiths as 〈◊〉 When they have done their Sawings Hammerings and driving 〈◊〉 Nâ—ilâ— they may gather as many as can and sit down about these Iâ—â—â— and silently Worship them But Baily this Scripture will not be for 〈◊〉 purpose for here is such a silent Meeting wherein there is speaking mentioned Then let them speak and the Prophet speaks here to the people whom he calls to silence you know it 's common for the people to be silent when any one speaks in a Meeting Acts 21.40 Paul bechened with his hand and there was made a great silence and then Paul spake So God spake to all the Nations by the Prophet that were in Idolatry appealing to them as I said before that it was not their gods but he himself that called Cyrus to this great work if then you would prove silent Meetings from this Scripture as thou sayest thou canst then it must run thus and this is the most genuine sence viz. That the Prophet here calls the Dumb Idols that had Mouths and spake not and Ears and heard not and Feet and walked not to gather themselves together and keep a silent Meeting and there God would be known to them they should turn to the Light and become Quakers The next Scripture for silent Meetings is Jam. 25.2 Zachary 13. Be silent O all Flesh before the Lord such another is that which is joyned to this Hab. 2.20 The Lord is in his Holy Temple let all the Earth know silence before him Now let us try if from hence all Flesh and all the Earth should keep a silent Meeting who seeth not but these two Scriptures with that third that this Man nameth Psal 46. Be still and know that I am God c. do speak forth thus much viz. That seeing the Heathens had been Enemies all along to God's people and had wronged and distressed them now God was eminently coming forth to Judg them and deal with them and therefore speaks thus to them of silence foreseeing how it would be with them all as with them that are amazed and astonished with the sence of their own guilt and weakness and God's Greatness and Righteousness therefore we read in Psal 46. of Desolations in the Earth of Wars and how God is the Lord of Hosts c. Therefore it follows I will be exalted among the Heathen I will be exalted in the Earth W. Baily thou mightest as well have brought that passage in the Parable when the King came in He saw there a Man that had not on a Wedding Garment and he was speechless Mat. 22.11 12. this speaks as much as the other Scripture This Man was astonished at his own Guilt and God's wrath that was due I do think in this sence there will be the greatest silent Meeting that ever was at the day of Judgment when every Unbelievers mouth shall be stopped but yet as no means of savingly knowing God But Revel 8.1 which is brought next will do it effectually all these have failed There was silence in Heaven it follows about the space of half an hour now Baily why didst thou omit this last passage whereby thou mightest as well have known how long your silent Meetings should continue not above half an hour But let us enquire the genuine sence of this place likewise is there any more in it than this viz. that for some small space of time comparatively to the time of trouble the Church should have a time of freedom from persecution this brings to mind that your silent Meetings have been of great use to you in these late persecutions Your custom was we know at Hartford and we have heard in other places likewise in the heat of the Execution of the late Act for fiâ—eing the Speaker so much and so the House and people to have much silence in Heaven for many half hours in many of your Meetings The next Scripture is Psal 4.4 be moved the Hebrew is either with anger fear and grief but sin not Examine your own hearts upon your Beds and be still This certainly is
follows to give the Light of the Knowledg See still they had it not in them before Again of the Glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ Now look into those that are well acquainted with the Greek Language they will tell thee this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth properly a Person Answering to that Hebrew word used in Leviâ— 19.15 Thou shalt not respect the Person of the Poor And it is used in 〈◊〉 1.11 by the means of many Persons Now was no the Perâ—oâ— Christ without them That which in 1 John 1. they had seen 〈◊〉 their eyes it was external to them And most of the Glory of 〈◊〉 did shine forth in Christ's personal coming Therefore when he 〈◊〉 which is the next Scripture thou bringest We have this Treaâ—â—e in Earthen Vessels It was the Knowledg the Apostles had in their 〈◊〉 of the Person without Pag. 42. Parag. 2. Thou ownest the Work of God without If thou wast plain-hearted and honest we would thank thee And we do say with thee there are none knoweth the things of God aright but by the Spirit And it 's the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead that dwels in his people and will at last quicken their Mortal Bodies But thou hast a reservation in all this Is it any less than Blasphemy to say that the Light within raised Christ from the dead and shall raise the Saints Mortal Bodies in the day of the Resurrection As that Scripture Rom. 8.11 iâ— to be understood All discerning ones by this time see that the Quakers deny the Resurrection of the Body and so consequently Christ's Resurrection Then this quickning of the Mortal Bodies mentioned by Baily is no more than what as the Quakers apprehend is attained by attendance to the Light within Are the Quakers Christians Baily Next quoteth Rom. 8.9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16. to prove the Apostle preached Christ within Reply Not for Justification those Scriptures speak of Sanctification He had spoke of Justification before which is the Cause of this and this an evidence of the other Baily And Christ Preached the Kingdom of Heaven within people Luke 17.21 Reply This place is much made use of by the Quakers Now it 's plain he speaks to the Pharisees whom he calls there Vipers Hypocrites said Satan was their Father Is it likely that Christ would give a Specimen of what his Kingdom was by it's being in the Pharisees What Children of the Devil and Unbelievers and yet the Kingdom of Heaven within them What the Holy Ghost's Sanctification Faith Love Holiness Peace and Joy For the Kingdom of God consists in these things what all these in the Pharisees The Quakers Light I grant was in them but is this any where called the Kingdom of Heaven What is Nature the Kingdom of Heaven Then this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is but intra vos or apud vos i. e. with you or among you used by the Greeks in their Translation of the Old Testament 〈◊〉 for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 among you there is no more in it than 〈◊〉 1 John 26. There standeth one among you These Pharisees dreamed 〈◊〉 an Earthly Kingdom in Earthly Glory Therefore he saith 〈◊〉 Kingdom cometh not with Observation Their Eyes were blinded 〈◊〉 this Conception of theirs and they stumbled at the lowness and 〈◊〉 verty of Christ and would not believe that he was the Messiah 〈◊〉 were inquiring for the Kingdom Now he tells them It cometh 〈◊〉 with Observation but it was come he being come and it was among them he in Person being among them working Miracles in the midst of them They sought for the Messiah as absent when he was present and very near them We still grant Sanctification within but here the Kingdom of Heaven is taken for the personal coming of Christ that is without Baily And the True Worship of the Father is in Spirit and in Truth Reply But had not the Father an existence of himself without 〈◊〉 before any had their beings Do ye Worship the Father within by the Light or Spirit as ye call it within And was not the Fathers powerful work in sending his Son And the Righteousness of Christ without notwithstanding this Worshipping of the Father in Spirit and Truth Baily And said what and if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend 〈◊〉 where he was before John 6. It is the Spirit that quickneth the Flesh profits nothing When they cryed How can this Man give us his Flesh â—â— eat Whose Minds were wholly without like many of yours Reply These Jews did not believe that Christ was God but did despise his low estate He is convincing them here that he was God as well as Man though he did vail his Glory thus in the Flesh for the present Therefore he asserts his Original that it was from Heaven and his Eternal existence before he took Flesh and saith here the Son of Man was in Heaven before he took Flesh He useth a Phrase that is common in Scripture Attributing that to his humane Nature which was proper to the Divine Otherwise as the Son of Man he was not in Heaven before his Ascension from the Earth It 's well if thou and thy Brethren did Believe that he is now Ascended into Glory as he is the Son of Man But is evident ye do not That of his Flesh profiting nothing must be understood thus viz. That his Manhood is nothing for Salvation taken alone and apart from his Deity called the Spirit there And they believed him not as we said to be God The reason why they stumbled at that saying viz. That he would give them 〈◊〉 to eat was because they were ignorant of the way of Faith 〈◊〉 gross Conceptions of eating his Material Flesh with their Maâ—â—â— Teeth We Glory in the Flesh of Christ and know that it proâ—â—â— i. e. the Son of God taking Mans Nature into Union with himâ—â— and therein fulfilling the Law and bearing the Curse of it Ofâ—â—ng that Body on the Cross Thus he is the Bread of Life and by 〈◊〉 in this as done for us we have Life and entrance into Glory 〈◊〉 New and Living way which he consecrated for us through the Veil 〈◊〉 to say his Flesh Heb. 10.20 Baily And said 2 Pet. 1.19 We have also a more sure Word of Proâ—â—ty to which ye do well to take heed as unto a Light that shines in a 〈◊〉 place until the day dawn and the day-Star arise in your hearts 〈◊〉 Jesus is the Bright and the Morning-Star Reply Remember Reader that these Scriptures are brought to prove 〈◊〉 the Apostles did Preach Christ only within Now let us see whether in this Scripture Peter doth not point them to the Person of Jesus Christ and this day dawning and day-Star arising in their hearts was but a more clear knowledg of Jesus Christ Certainly he is pressing them to get into their hearts a more distinct knowledg of Jesus Christ's Person and of the
about to Answer a notorious Lie except the Lord lead thee to experience it yet dare I speak it viz. That you must unlearn all that you have learned and pull down that fair building of Righteousness and deny that great progress you have as you think made towards Heaven by your doing that which is Good and abstaining from evil Which yet is of use in its place and to deny all that you think is of Christ in you the Light Life Peace within you it must all become as nothing in the point of Justification or to deserve or merit Salvation not that they should be left off in their place And notwithstanding all your Righteousness you must be sensible that you are miserable sinners and you must be as a Man that hath not a bit of Bread to eat nor a rag to cover his nakedness I have said before and say again I mean not that you should turn to a vain Life and Conversation Quest But if there be such a Low estate to come before we attain thâ— Saving-Light which way shall we come to it that we may have the other Answ Thou must not think that if thou art Righteous in thy own sight that thou art so in Gods also Neither if thy Conscience do not Condemn is it enough but apply thy self to the Glass of the Law for by the Law is the Knowledg of sin Rom. 3.20 Remember that God looketh not at the outward appearance but upon the heart 1 Sam. 16.7 and see if thou dost not break the Holy Law of God every day by thought word or deed If there be not wandring Thoughts arising in thee or some evil desires in thee some envy to thy Neighbour or some Covetous desire at some time or other Then remember He that offendeth in one point is guilty of all James 2.10 And if thou shouldst commit sin in ignorance thy ignorance will not excuse thee but thou standest guilty before God Luke 23.34 Neither yet say in thy heart though I do not keep it I shall come up to it in time and so rest here When-as thou knowest not but death may seize on thee the next hour Again forget not this that God requireth a continual keeping of his Law Gal. 3.10 Deut. 27.26 And much more might be said as to this Try now thy self by this written Law and see if thou dost not break it frequently and by all the power thou hast canst not keep it as thou oughtest This is the way for thee to see thy self poor and naked miserable and undone without the personal Righteousness of Christ to justify thee Obj. But you say If the Righteousness by which we are justifyed be wholly without and satisfaction made 1600 years ago for all sin the Deâ—â— may play what Cards he will there is no need to fear the loss of Salvation through Miscarriages pag. 35. Thus indeed did I think once as well as you as you may see pag. 16. of my Book Answ And as I said in that my Book in Answer so say I here again from my own experience Whoso counteth it a Doctrine tending to â—y Unrighteousness they never truly knew the want of a Saviour But this Objection is no new thing For after Paul had spoke of being made Righteous by the Obedience of one Rom. 5.19 in Chap. 6. v. 1. 〈◊〉 brings in this very Objection presently What shall we continue in sin 〈◊〉 Grace may abound he meeting with what was in their Spirits v. 2. 〈◊〉 forbid how shall we that are dead unto sin live any longer therein As if he had said is it possible can this be Will it not be abhorred If Christ dyed for the sins of his people that so many as believe on him are buried with him and as he had victory over Death so have they by Faith Will not this Influence their Spirits so as to live to the praise of his Glory What if they are delivered from the loss of Salvation which the Scriptures speak Isa 55.3 Acts 13.34 Jer. 31 3â— John 6.37 Psal 89.30 31 32 33. Doth it therefore follow that they should go on in wickedness and not love and fear God Though their Life and Salvation consists not in it or their Reconciliation or acceptance with God They ought to fear and love him but it is as a Father not as a Condemning Judg But as being taken into Everlasting Covenant with him as having the Inheritance sure to them and not for fear of losing it and being cast out If they transgress his will presumptuously he deals with them as a Father with Children in love Châ—stiseth them which way he pleaseth Heb. 12.5 6 7 8. Prov. 3.12 Now a Son loveth his Father because he is his Father So it is with the people of God yet the Relation of a Father and a Son standeth â—â—re So doth the relation of God and his people through Faith So that when they sin as we said he correcteth them because he loveth them and delighteth in them And how great a difference is there betwixt the Correction of a Father and the Sentence of a Judg But W. Baily Thou Objectest That was a needless Doctrine to bid his Disciples watch and Pray lest they entred into Temptation and of Peter who bid them Give all diligence to make their Calling and Election sure Mat. 26.41.2 Pet. 1.10 as in pag. 35. of thy Book Answ O no! Though the matter of Justification be sure on God's part viz. the Righteousness of Christ and the Merit of Christ his fulfilling the Law and being the end of it and this he doth manifest to his people by degrees working Faith in them Our State is sure and certain on Gods part His foundation is sure yet as to us it is brittle and very uncertain considered in our selves by reason of our Corruption that dwelleth in our Flesh and the many Enemies we have within and without carnal reason gets up and it contendeth in our Breasts saying what Foolishness is this to trust to the Righteousness of another What must ye not be Righteous in your selves and can ye be Righteous else and unbelief gets up and saith what will ye believe that the promises of God are true That ye are made Righteous by the Obedience of Christ That he for you hath overcome Sin Death and the Devil how can this be when sin dwelleth in your Flesh to this day and the Law cometh with its Threatning to bring trouble upon the Spirit The Devil accusing and stirring up the Enemies of the Gospel to lay false Notions and errors and stumbling-blocks in the way and the half of our selves Warring against the other The Flesh against the Spirit and so hinders the view and sight of the Gospel for a time and our Faith is very weak and low As I may say by experience How many dark and gloomy hours have I met with in my life-time What ups and downs What struglings in my Spirit very often sometimes tossed in my Spirit
Latitude of my Judgment and Faith is that if I do Lie Steal speak evil words c. that I am not a whit the less approved of God for so doing Take notice Reader he doth not say that it is the Consequence of the Doctrine I laid down neither saith he that in all probability I may grow to such a Faith but speaketh in the present Tense that it is thus with me and thus I did believe at this very time Now I remember I have read 1 Cor. 2.11 What Man knoweth the things of a Man save the Spirit of a Man that is in him I know no such thing by my self that my Faith and Judgment is such Yet this he said of me yea notwithstanding all that I said to the contrary in pag. 14. and else-where viz. That Faith ingageth to serve the Lord. So that I know not what to make of it but such a slanderous Report as Paul met with Rom. 3.8 when some affirmed that he taught that Men might do evil that good might come of it Therefore as it is a solemn thing so I do solemnly declare that I know no such thing by my self is 〈◊〉 would make me Guilty of But say as before that I believe that in case a Son do offend God his Father by falling into sin God will Correct and that sharply but his loving kindness will be not take away from him But further this Man saith of me pag. 51. Thou hast cast off Christ's Yoke and Burden and endeavourest to betray him into the hands of Priests and Pharisees What he meaneth here by this viz betraying Christ casting off his Yoke and Burden which I conceive he accounts the denying of the pure Light as he calleth it in every Man to be the Saviour of the World is As to this Yoke and Burden I confess I have cast it off and that likewise viz. looking for Justification and acceptance with God by the Works commanded by the Light and by Obedience to that Light yet do I walk in Obedience to my Conscience as my Duty As to my Conversation I may say with Paul Acts 24.19 Those that have known it ought to have Objected against me first if they had whereof â—â—â—ly to lay to my Charge and not a Stranger So this is the Reward or part thereof for speaking the things I experienced upon my heart but I matter not such Reproaches I look for them only this I beg of God a support under them and a right Carriage through them If it be my Lot and Portion even so be it It is a small matter as Paul saith to be Judged by others whetheâ—â— have been faithful or no in what I have writ Yet I know not 〈◊〉 may lead as sober a Life as S. Crisp though I do not expect to be Justified or to have my Peace made or to get into the Love and Favour of God by these Good things wrought in me But believe they are the Fruits of that justifying Love and Favour of God to us through Faith in Christ without the Deeds of the Law So that if I be counted a Lier a Thief a Blasphemer a wicked Person not fit to be believed in Words or trusted in Actions it is I say a small matter it is no more than what was their Lot which went before And the Scripture hears Witness to it viz. That all manner of evil shall be spoken of the people of God falsly for Christ's Names sake The same that comforted Paul comforteth me 1 Cor. 4.3 4. in this Case Again I say it is a small matter to be Judged by W. Baily or 8. Crisp or by a Jury of eleven I call them a Jury because a Jury Judgeth according to their Evidence not knowing the Person that Committed the Fact And such were some of these Yet I do not know that I have acted any thing contrary to that which God hath given me in my inward parts And therefore as these things have been falsly declared concerning my Faith with what else soever I have only this to say as my desire The Lord lay it not to their Charge but forgive them and embrace then in the Arms of his Pitty and Compassion Even so be it Amen and Amen I have one thing or Question more to Answer if it be upon the hearts of any one to ask me Whether I was of the Quakers Faith and Principle or no Which I shall Answer by way of Querie and leave it to others to Judg. Though it 's possible my Adversaries may have five words for my one Yet in this I have rejoyced that in an hour when they came to try me my Faith did not fail me which is more to me than thousands of Words Though good Words are good in the place â—â—â—ther he be of the Quakers Way Faith and Principle who Believeth the Light in every Man which reproveth for sin is Jesus Christ the Saviour of 〈◊〉 World Then was I of their Way and Principle according to that I mentionâ—â— pag. 3. of my Book But do now say it is a rotten corrupt and â—â—â—ound thing or Principle as to the leading or guiding into the knowâ—â— of the Gospel or the way of Salvation that God hath appointed Jesus Christ 〈◊〉 it will be asked How can I prove it Answer By my own Experience I found it so as to my self Of which I could speak more but omit it at present And prove it to 〈◊〉 unsound thing I mean the Light within every Man to reveal 〈◊〉 Gospel Because it hath led these Men to say in pag. 29. which I 〈◊〉 before viz. That W. Haworth saith It was the Godhead by which 〈◊〉 Barbarous people saw the Vengeance when they apprehended Paul to be â—e a Murderer He saith I have contradicted my Companion 3. Pag. 5. Crisp saith The Latitude of my Canaan is to have none of these Burdens laid upon me which burdens he before reckoned up is not to Lie Steal c. Which Burdens he saith I have cast off And cautions Men how they believe me and trust me c. Notwithstanding I had said in pag. 19. It was the Duty of every Man to walk in the Commandements of God 4. The same Crisp saith It is my Judgment to believe that if I do Lie Steal c. or any such wicked thing I am not a whit the less approved of God Though I had declared my Judgment in my Book to the Contrary Now I would ask any one to give a Just reason why this pure an infallible an unerring Light may not as well lead aside into ways of Damnation as to prompt them into the misunderstanding of our words and the Declaration of our Faith I farther Querie Querie Whether this pure infallible unerring Light as they call it may not suffer a Man to rest in a Righteousness short of the Righteousness which is sufficient to compleat and perfect Man every way and to Justifie before God and to bring to everlasting Peace as it hath
suffered these to fall into the breach of that Commandement viz. Thou shalt not Bear false Witness As they have done in the four last Instances Which things are utterly false Obj. But if any yet Object against all I have said here and say in their hearts which I question not but many do say That they can do â—â—ll themselves upon the Lord i. e. The Light within and their hearts do not condeâ—â— them They have boldness towards God and that if they â—y in this Condition they shall be blessed Answ Let these but well consider Galat. 3.10 Cursed is every 〈◊〉 that continues not in all things written in the Book of the Law to do them Now I Reason thus with you Either ye continue in all that the Law requireth or no If you say yea then are you absolutely perfect without the least sin or spot or presence of sin If ye do not continue and be not thus and yet have peace and your hearts condemn ye not as you say It must be from one of these two things which are both false viz. Either because God accounteth that to be sin to one which he doth not account to be sin to another Or that God will not Condemn a Man for sin committed in Ignorance As if a Man Commit Adultery in his heart unawares if his Conscience smite him not for it but he dyeth without trouble in his Conscience for it that such an one goeth to blessedness whereas Christ desired forgiveness of his Father for them who knew not what they did Obj. If any will say that our words are darkly spoken and so that they could not be otherwise understood Answ They were not so dark but many have understood them aright which pretended not Immediate Revelation nor Infallibility as ye do Is it not strange then that Men that pretend not to obey the Light as their Rule should understand them aright and God as ye call the Light should not instruct ye aright in these things Seeing all things are naked and bare before him and there is nothing too hard for him to know The sum is this then viz. That which erreth in the less will surely err in the greater Or that which instructeth amiss in those of smaller will instruct amiss in those things that are of a higher Concernment and therefore it is unsound But as I have said this pure Light in every Man hath instructed these men amiss as to the understanding of our words and demonstration of my Faith and Judgment therefore it doth certainly mislead as to the right understanding of the Gospel and the Principles pertaining thereunto and therefore it is corrupt And as we said before that which will suffer a Man to rest in the breach of any one Commandment will suffer him to rest in the breach of any other of them and consequently suffer him to rest in the Righteousness which will not Justifie before God But the Common Light in every Man hath suffered these Men to do the First therefore the second likewise to take up in a Righteousness wherein they live and which was wrought in them by the Light which they call the Spirit But to return to my business in hand Quer. 2. Whether he be of the Quakers Faith and Principle who Believeth that the power which accompanieth the Light and restraineth Man from â—â—â—ng some evil is the power of God unto Salvation if it be obeyed If so 〈◊〉 was I one Quer. 3. Whether he be of the Quakers Faith and Principle that exâ—â—eth to be Justifyed accepted with God and to have reconciliation made in with or through that Righteousness in which he liveth acted in â—â— person wrought by Christ as they say i. e. The Light and Power within Then was I of their Faith Quer. 4. Whether he be of the Quakers Faith and Principle that yieldâ—th submitteth hearkneth to or obeyeth that Light and power in him for that very end viz. to be Justified to be brought into the Love and Faâ—â—ur of God to have his Peace made by those Works wrought in him Then 〈◊〉 I a Quaker Quer. 5. Whether is he of the Quakers Faith and Principle That believeth that the Washing Cleansing the Purifying by with or through the Blood of Jesus Christ is only that Life and Light and Power that is within Man when he gets any strength by attendance hereunto over any 〈◊〉 and iniquity and is led into any thing that is good In which sence I 〈◊〉 prayed that I might be washed in the Blood of Christ and cleansed from all my sins Yea many a time when I was in my distressed Condition If so then was I a Quaker Quer. 6. Whether he be of the Quakers Way Faith Spirit and Principle that believes that no Man of himself is able and sufficient to keep the Law of God it being weak through the Flesh to bring to Eternal Life therefore Christ the Light Life and Power within doth work in him to change him from darkness to Light and from the Power of Satan to God to fulfil the Law in us i. e. in our Persons to make an end of sin and to bring in everlasting Righteousness viz. the Righteousness wrought in us So reconciling man to God breaking down the middle Wall of Partition destroying the Works of the Devil Sin and Wickedness all within no where else and in no wise else Of this kind was my Faith for some time Quer. 7. Whether he be of the Quakers Spirit Way Faith and Principle that through Christ i.e. the Light Life and Power within Man thinks he should be carried up freed from sin and live in holiness before Christ as the person of Jesus Christ was 1600 years since for an example to us being obedient to the Call of the Lord as they say in my inward parts So I believed formerly Quer. 8. Whether he be of the Quakers Faith and Principle who Believeth yea the Frame of his Spirit is to say when he seeth Man go on in wickedness Thou mayest be Righteous if thou wilt if thou wilt but obey the voice of the Lord in you i. e. The Light which calleth to you in your inward parts he will deliver you from sin for he delighteth not in the death of a Sinner These I once held with several others which I pass by for brevity sake as concerning the Taking an Oath the Sabbath the Law of Moses c. Now if he be of the Quakers Faith which thus believeth then was I. For the declaring whereof I have suffered Reproach and that none of the least because of a similitude used by me insomuuh that I am declared to be a Lyar a Thief a Wronger of my Neighbour and several more as may be seen When they say I have cast off Christ's Yoke and Burden and the Latitude of my Canaan is to have none of these things laid upon me He must of necessity mean that I am become a Thief and a Lyar c. Otherwise there would be
That Christ was born of a Virgin so his Manhood 〈◊〉 without sin spotless and endued with the Spirit without Measure 〈◊〉 He did in his Holy Actions fulfil the Law 3. All his sufferings 〈◊〉 taken in being at last made an offering for sin he being God as well 〈◊〉 Man these Actions and sufferings are of infinite value now observe Reader not a word of this here in this place by J. C. but only in the general Righteousness manifested in him and by him Now what do the Quakers mean Let Pennington speak pag. 25. What Nature must these sacrifices be of which cleanse the Heavenly things whether of necessity they must be Heavenly If so then whether it was the Flesh and Blood of the Vail or the Flesh and Blood within the Vail Whether it was the Flesh and Blood of the outward Earthly Nature or the Flesh and Blood of the inward Spiritual Nature Whether it was not the Flesh and Blood which Christ took of the first Adams Nature or that of the second Adam's Nature Now John That Righteousness that in the fulness of time was manifested in Christ and by Christ was only the Obedience and Sufferings and Sacrifice of that Spiritual Heavenly Flesh and Blood of the first Adam's Nature that was in the Vail that of the Vail the Body and humane Nature that he had from the first Adam the Righteousness of this and the Sufferings of this is nothing Now let the Reader view the Harlot She is known now She is in her own Whorish Attire J.C. pag. ibid. And in due time made mine by the work and application of the Spirit in my inner parts Answ True we say that this Righteousness spoke of is really made mine thus The Spirit works Faith in my inward parts whereby I view it apprehend it receive it for my self having need of it therefore called so often the Righteousnss of Faith Through faith in his 〈◊〉 in Rom. 3. and it is really mine Faith is the substance of things hoped 〈◊〉 But now hear Penington Mysteries of the Kingdom pag. 17. Convered to the Creature in and through the seed and brought forth in the Creature by the seed and the Creature united to Christ in the seed here is Justification of Life This is the application of the Spirit in their sence This Righteousness is the Light Christ the heavenly flesh that was in the vail The seed through which it is conveyed is Christ and the Seed that brings it forth is Christ and the Seed in which the Creature is united to Christ is Christ the Light within every man The sum is then accâ—ording to Penington Christ the Light in every man is conveyed to the Creature by Christ and brought forth by Christ and the Creature is united to this Christ in Christ the Light This is John Crooks application of the Spirit Deny Peningtons Divinity if thou darest J. C. parag ibid. And God is well pleased or satisfied in and with him in whom I am accepted and not for works of righteousness that I have done nor yet for the works sake only or quatenus works though wrought in me by his Spirit but in and for the sake of him that works in us and for us Isa 26.12 Answ Would any think that it is the same man that writes a little further so much against my asserting that our own Righteousness consists in those Vertues and Gifts that the Holy Spirit works in our minds and that this is not the Righteousness in which we are accepted Oh would not any think that John had fully yielded herein to me and that he was very sound in this point and no Papist But now pray let us conster it by their own Dictionary and see what it will speak And God is well pleased and satisfied in and with him If this him was to be understood of the true Christ we need not one word further But Remember what the Quakers Christ is viz. the Heavenly Flesh Blood and Bones that came down from Heaven not Jesus of Nazareth and it is the man in every Male and Female that preacheth among the Quakers it is nothing but the Light in every man which is called the Spirit in the inward parts immediately before God is well pleased with this and satisfied with the Light and I am accepted in the Light he means and not for the works of Righteousness which I have done here is Pauls words but the Quakers sence still no but for the works of Righteousness that the Light does and are wrought in the Light that every man hath Naylor Love to the lost pag. 64. yet it is speaking of self-Sanctification and Mortification the Work of God wrought by Christ in the Believer whereby such become his workmanship in Christ Jesus wrought into 〈◊〉 Obedience and his Obedience into them in the measure till they 〈◊〉 of one heart one mind one Soul one Flesh one bone one blood 〈◊〉 one Obedience and one Life and that it is no more we that live 〈◊〉 Christ that lives in us Now by this line you may fathom to the 〈◊〉 the Mystery of works of Righteousness which he hath done i. e. J. C. did them not but Christ the Light in him it was the Obedience of that Light wrought into him and he made one Soul flesh blood with this Christ the Light in every one ye know what Naylor made himself Thou now Reader sees the snare and trap uncovered this Divinity will bring you to this that the Personality of J. C. is lost and his personal actions are all lost when he prays or preaches it is Christ Prayeth and Preacheth not John Crooks and that Christ and he are both one Person Such monsters have been among the Quakers J. C. not for the works sake only or quatenus works though wrought in me by the Spirit Answ For the works sake only why then J.C. thou would have the works that are wrought by the Spirit have some share in acceptation thou would not have it only for their sakes which we may thank thee for but partial causes they must be Christ of himself and his Merit is not sufficient unless something wrought by the Light in us doth joyn its Merit with him but this Phrase quatenus works why if not as works how 〈◊〉 as they are Christ the Light and his Obedience as before according in Naylors sense J. C. Wrought in me by the Spirit but in and for the sake of him that works all our good works in us and for us Answ That is plainly it is for the Lights sake in which the Quakers works all their works that the Quakers do are accepted and which doth work all their works in them and for them J. C. pag. 10. Thou believest to be saved by a Righteousness wholly without thee reckoned but not real which Righteousness Christ wrought 1600. years since Answ And I do J. C. solemnly profess in the presence of God Angels and Men that I believe that Righteousness
whereby I am accepted of God Justified and saved is the righteousness of Jesus of Nazareth which he wrought out in his own personal Obedience and Sufferings 1600. years since that God giving Faith in this Righteousness which is by him reckoned to me and in this reckoning there is a reality what the Lord doth is really done and though this Righteousness was wrought in Palestine at such a distance from me nay Christs person be now at a greater distance than so yet it hinders not but the Merit of his death and bloodshed may and doth reach me my Surety paying such a Sum of money for me at never such a distance dischargeth me I have benefit by it as soon as I hear of it and accept it the Sun is at a distance in the heavens but we have the heat of it and feel it But indeed the Righteousness is not at a distance from us but put upon us by the Fathers Gift as the Scriptures speak ye have put on Christ Gal. 3.27 It is the best robe put upon us and as Isaac smelled the garment of Esan the Elder Brother when Jacob had it put on by his Mother and blessed Jacob so the Father doth in this case he is well pleased with us and blesseth us having Christ's the first-borns Righteousness upon us by Imputation receiving it by Faith and all that Righteousness that is within 〈◊〉 of Sanctification is but the fruit of this it was merited and purchased for us by this J. C. pag. ibid. adds Not that we undervalue that Righteousness 〈◊〉 cursed is he that so doth Answ According to J. C's desire let the curse be upon all those that undervalue the Righteousness of Jesus Christ that according to him is but a thing at a distance both as to time and place 1600 years since as far as Jerusalem never like to come nearer to us by our Imagining as he saith I do really think John that thou hast cursed many of thy Brethren and many of the people called Quakers and thy self wâ— to them if it should be according to thy curse this is like the Jews that said his blood be upon us and our Children and they are under a sad Curse to this day and surely there is a dreadful curse of hardness sottishness and pride upon the poor people the Quakers and from whence doth it arise but from the undervaluing that Righteousness that was wrought out 1600 years since and as far as Jerusalem But observe a little how thou writes this Not that we undervalue that Righteousness no. Answ But then it seems there is an other Righteousness in which we may be saved and which is by the Quakers valued at an higher rate and that Righteousness may be and is brought nearer to you Quakers than this to us Christians that it is a real Righteousness the other but reckoned the Righteousness thou meanest which is attained by attending on the Light now this was wrought nearer in the North of England in Lancashire and those parts when George Fox that Father of many Nations as a Quaker calls him arose and this was nigher than Jerusalem and this was not above 22 years since or thereabouts 1600 years is too long a time for Christs Righteousness to hold its vertue and Jerusalem where he died and now heaven were he lives is too far off for Christs Righteousness to have an influence by any act of Gods imputing according to these unbeleiving Quakers J. C. pag. 10. For proof of thy belief thou sayst we are made Righteous in the same way that he was made sin but he was not made sin by inheâ—â—â—â— or really as thou speakest elsewhere for he knew no sin therefore by â—â—putation The same way when Christ knew no sin nor was any sin inherent in him must we then be made Righteous without either knowing or enjoying any real righteousness in us as the Comparison holds forth Answ John I would know why thou passeth over the first argument and writes not one word in answer to it but thou would have laid thy self open too much it is likely but now at this thou cavillest the Comparison as thou callest it is not mine but Pauls 2 Cor. 5. v. ult for he hath made him to be sin for us who knew no sin that we might be made the Righteousness of God in him Now my argument is viz. that we are trade Righteousness the same way that Christ was made sin he was not made sin by inhesion but by imputation Therefore the right conclusion is we are made Righteous in Justification for of this every one â—eeth that I am treating and the Apostle likewise not by Righteousness that inheres in us but that without us John when wilt thou learn to be ingenious and distinguish right when wilt thou desist winding and turning thus like a Crooked Serpent studying to deceive Who of us ever denyed that we were to have a real Righteousness in Sanctification but this is not to justifie us we make a difference between Christ's personal Righteousness and our Sanctification the one imputed to us the other wrought in us we had by the first Adam not only guilt of Sin but the loss of the image and the power of indwelling sin so we have two Righteousnesses by the second Adam Jesus Christ the one to take away the guilt of sin that is the Righteousness I am pleading for and the other to take away the reigning power of sin Sanctifiying of us and renewing of us into the image of Christ in some degree but this latter Righteousness is but an effect of the other Christ is not only the Author of the former that we are speaking of as he is of all Righteousness but the subject of it J. C. pag. ibid. But besides if we are made Righteous in the same way in all things Answ Rather than want something to write thou wilt add some words of thy own to write against did I say any where in all things There is no more than that we are made Righteous that way or same way as he was made sin Now he was made sin by imputation is plain so we by imputation for this Righteousness of God that we are made spoke of is not the Righteousness of Sanctification for that is not by Imputation but by Inhesion Therefore that which thou saith J. C. Parag. ibid. That he was made to be sin for sin is mentioned in the Abstract then we must be without or free from all manner of good as he was without or free from all manner of evil is true add but this to it in the point of Justification according to the Scripture Righteousness imputed without Works Yet the Doctrine of Sanctification is kept entire in its place as a fruit of this still J. C. In the next Page save one Thou affirmest That the Gifts and Veâ—tues that the Spirit of God works in our minds is our own Righteousness First because our Souls are the Subjects of it