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A09106	A quiet and sober reckoning vvith M. Thomas Morton somewhat set in choler by his aduersary P.R. concerning certaine imputations of wilfull falsities obiected to the said T.M. in a treatise of P.R. intituled Of mitigation, some part wherof he hath lately attempted to answere in a large preamble to a more ample reioynder promised by him. But heere in the meane space the said imputations are iustified, and confirmed, & with much increase of new vntruthes on his part returned vpon him againe: so as finally the reconing being made, the verdict of the Angell, interpreted by Daniel, is verified of him. There is also adioyned a peece of a reckoning with Syr Edward Cooke, now L. Chief Iustice of the Co[m]mon Pleas, about a nihil dicit, & some other points vttered by him in two late preambles, to his sixt and seauenth partes of Reports.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1609 (1609)	STC 19412; ESTC S114160	496,646	773

a notorious vntruth in that he saith she did it by the cōsent o● her Lordes Spirituall and Temporall for that all her Lords Spirituall which make the chie●e part of the Parlament resisted the matter as appeareth by their depriuations depositions restraints or imprisonments that theron ensued So as this is as true as that other which followeth in the very next page and hath beene handled by me in other places to wit that as well these that were restrayned or imprisoned as generally all the Papists of this Kingdome did come to the Protestants Church nor any of them did resuse during the first ten yeares of the said Queenes gouernment which I haue cōuinced before by hundreds of witnesses to be most shamefully false as also the other deuised fable that Pius Quimꝰ did offer to approue the Communion Booke of English seruice by his owne letters to Q. Elizabeth if she would do him the honour as to accept it from him 109. I do pretermit willingly as vnworthy of my pen those scoffes and contemptible derisions which it hath pleased his L. to vse against that holy man and high priest of our soules Pope Pius Quintus calling him Pope Impius V. his hellishnesse his horriblenesse and the like which seemeth much to s●uour of the spirit of those that in Iudge Pilates house did scoffe at our Sauiour bowing their knees and crying Aue Rex Iudaeorum but yet there the maister Iudge did not descend to such scurrility But surely I am sory to see a Lord Iudge vse the same in publike auditory which were fitter for one of his Kitchin amongst his Companions and when such things as these are related vnto strangers they seeme incredible to men of e●timation and honour 110. But Syr Edward passing on in this manner throughout his whole speach bringeth in all the accidents fallen out frō the beginning of that Raigne vnto the end of the Irish warres Doctor Sanders his being there Steukley his going to Rome and afterward to Portugall the Duke of Guise his actions and of Mēdoza called by him Iesuite though he were a Noble man and Ambassadour of the K. of Spaine in Englād Campian Persons Heywood Shirwyn and other Priests comming into England vpon the yeare 1580. and many other such like things little appertayning to them of Norwich but that my L. would needs speake like a great Counsellour that day and be Propheta in Patria and fill mens eares with tales and terrours and yet in the end after all sayd and much therof knowne to be false to the greatest part of discret men in his auditory he commeth at length to be somewhat mor● mild and placable saying by this then our English Papists eyther Iesuits or Seminaries may learne to know that it is not Religion that they striue for but only to mayntaine the Antichristian head of Romes vsurped Supremacy And if there be in this presence any Roman Catholiks or so many o● them as shall heare of that which now hath beene spoken I intreat thē as my deare and louing Country-men that they will not any longer be seduced by any lying spirit sent from Rome seing that the Pope whome they belieue hath hims●lfe allowed as before we have shewed that in our Church we haue a doctrine of faith and religion su●ficiently necessary to saluation Deare Country-men we haue then inough need not the help of any Pope sithence all the Papists generally came vnto our Churches be●ore our late Q. Elizabeth was excōmunicated c. Thus he 111. And do you see this Conclusion all groūded vpon suppositions that are manifestly false or rather ridiculous in thēselues for that first he would haue vs suppose as a thing by him proued before that it is not religion for which we striue but to maintayne the Popes supreme Authority in spirituall Causes as though the article of supremacy were no poynt of Religion at all among vs which is a great absurdity to imagine For doth not the Catholicke Deuine in the Preface of his Answere vnto him and we before haue also repeated the same shew demonstrate that this point of supreme spirituall authority is so principall an article of Religion as all other controuersies may be determined therby How then doth the Iustice trifle so in this matter Is he not ashamed to say in the face and ears of such an Auditory that Catholi●kes striue not for religion whē they striue for their supreme Pastours spirituall Authority It is as good an argument as if a man should say that Syr Edward when he was a Counsellour pleaded not for money but for gold as if gold were no money 112. His second supposition is that we belieue Pope Pius Quintus to haue allowed the Protestant Cōmunion Booke for that Syr Edward saith and sweareth it vpon his credit saying and this vpon my credit and as I am an honest man is most true which I haue els where shewed to be most vntrue and that no Catholicke of cr●dit doth or will giue credit vnto it Thirdly he supposeth that we belieue his former assertion that all Catholickes generally did come to the Protestants C●urch for the first ten yeares of Q. Elizabeths raigne which they do not only thinke but know to be most false 113. Fourthly he supposeth it to be a good consequence that if Catholicks did come to their Churches for the first ten yeares they haue inough for their saluation and need not the help of any Popes authority for absolution of their sinnes or other spirituall power For such is his inference when he s●ith Deare Country-men we haue then inough and need not any help of any Pope sithence all the Papists generally came to our ●hurches be●ore the late Queene was excommunicated which inference and consequence is both false and absurd For albeit some Catholicks came to the Church for feare or otherwise yet therby haue not Syr Edward and his partners inough for their saluation for that the other came to their Churches for they might come with a repugnant mynd condemning and detesting inwardly their Religion no lesse or perhaps more then they that were Recusants and openly refused to come as no doubt but at this day also many do who are forced to Church against their consciences 114. And it is to be noted that Syr Edward saith VVe haue a doctrine of ●aith and Religion s●fficiently necessary to saluation So as he ascribeth no perfection to his Religion nor any aboundant sanctitie latitude or degrees of holines one aboue the other but if it be sufficiently necessary it is inough for him And yet doth our Sauiour say that there be many mansions in the house o● my Father and exhorteth men to perfection Perfecti estote which importeth somewhat more then sufficiently necessarie But if seemeth that Syr Edward would be content with a litle and go no further then necessarily he must God grant he go so farre and keepe him in charitie

in Prouerb August ad Fratres in Eremo the Liturgies of Iames and others all which as they are vrged for profe of Purgatory so are they reiected by their owne men I desire to be challenged for proofe heerof as forged or corrupted or Apochrypha and indeed no better witnesses for truth then the Knights o● the Post be fit men for a Iury. If further he shall marke how true Fathers and Scriptures are instanced in for proofe of the same article wherof when I speake of Fathers most of them whē I speake of Canonicall Scriptures all of them are found by the iudgment of their owne doctours to be tortured wrested and forced as it were to say that which they neuer meant if hee lastly consider how almost euerie one of thē indeauoring the defence of the same doctrine is in his owne assertions contradicted by himself which may be in this one controuersie concerning Purgatorie a late article of their faith most plainly discerned So ●ar hee 136. And this his conclusion or repetitiō in the end of this last obiection about Purgatorie seemeth to me a recapitulation and briefe repres●ntation of all his former vnsyncere dealings concerning the same and that he cannot be trusted in any thing he saith though he struggle still to say somwhat For first of this number of witn●sses which heere he saith to haue bene brought in as Knights of the Post for confirmation of this new article of Purgatory to wit Cl●mens his Constitutions and Epistles and the other six or seauen authorities heere cited they and the rest vnder the names of ancient Fathers are not so much as named by Bellarmine except only the two first in a word or two and much lesse are they brought in for principall authors in the Catalogue of ancient Fathers whose testimonies and authorities he setteth downe for proofe of Purgatory so as this is one deceiptfull vntruth to make his Reader beli●ue that these are our chiefe Authors wheras Bellarmine besides these doth alleadge twenty viz. ten of the Greeke Church and as many of the Latin as namely S. Gregory Nazianzen S. Basil S. Ephraim S. Epiphanius S. Cyrill S Chrysostome ●usebius Theodoretus Theophilactus and Damascenus all Fathers of the Greeke Church and Tertullian S. Cyprian S. Ambrose S. Hi●rome S. Paulinus S. Augustine S. Gregory S. Isidorus Victor Vticensis and S. Bernard of the latin Church All which twenty Fathers are without the number of those other against which he excepteth heere and consequently are so many good and lawfull witnesses and not Knightes of the Post for a complete Iury against M. Mor●on 137. Secondly it is another manifest vntruth that he saith his aduersaries to wit Catholicke writers do confesse these seauen or eight Authors and aut●orities by him mentioned to be meerely counterfaite For albeit some of them be excepted against or called in question by some writers whether they be the true workes of the Authors whose names they beare or not and therof all reputed Apocryphall that is hydden and obscure yet it followeth not that they are merely counterfaite for that they may be ancient workes and not to be contemned though not of those Authors As for example that worke intituled Opus imper●ectū in Matthaeum ascribed to S. Chrysostome and the Sermons ad Fratres in Eremo ascribed to S. Augustine the Homilies also attributed to Eusebius Emissenus proued by Baronius to haue bene written by S. Eucherius Bishop of Lyons that liued aboue eleuen hundred yeares gone all these workes cannot be denied to be ancient and learned though Apocryphall hidden and doubtfull for so much as concerneth their true Authors which yet our writers do not call meerely counter●aite as heere M. Morton doth falsely affirme 138. His third manifest vntruth is where he saith that of Fathers the most of them and of Canonicall Scriptures all of them are found by the iudgment of our owne Doctors to be tortured wrested and forced to say for Purgatory that which they neuer meant This now whether it be not such a wilfull and witting lye as before I described for a formall malicious lye such as the writer did know to be a lye when he wrote it I am content to remit my selfe to any iudicious and ciuill Protestant in the world For if our owne Catholike doctors that make profession to belieue Purgatory do fynd in their owne iudgement as heere is said that of Fathers alleaged ●or the proo●e therof the most of them and of Scriptures all of them are tortured ●orce● to say that which they neuer meant how then do these doctors belieue the doctryne of Purgatory to be true Why do they not change their opinions and become Protestants Is it credible that they will belieue that for truth for an article of faith which all Scriptures most Fathers in their owne iudgments do impugne Can M. Morton answere any thing to this so lewd wilfull absurdity And did not he know that he lyed when he wrote this And that it was impossible to be true 139. Mor●euer I haue now shewed that Cardinall Bellarmine in setting downe the Fathers opinions about Purgatory besydes those excepted against by M. Morton hath twenty others and Coccius in his Thesaurus hath neere threescore within the compasse of the first 600. yeares after Christ and will any Catholike doctour or writer thinke yow say that the most of these Fathers are found in their iudgements to be ●orced to speake against their owne meaning And yet saith M. Morton I desyre to be challenged for proofe herof And to the end that he may haue somewhat to do I do earnestly challenge him herein requiring at his hands that of those first threescore mentioned by Coccius within the first six hundred yeares he doe really sinc●rely proue thirty one at least which is the maior part to be so tortured and so graunted to be by the Iudgement o● our owne writers or els he falleth wholy in his cause 140. And againe let him proue that all Canonicall Scriptures alleaged by Bellarmine and others for Purgatory are found also by the iudgments of our owne doctors to be so tortured wrested forced he shall proue himse●f an admirable man indeed But in the meane space let vs examine a litle the probability of this fond vaūt to wit what he will be able to do when he commeth to the proofe Bellarmine doth alleage ten s●u●rall places out of the old ●estament for proofe of Purgatory with the expositions of the ancient Fathers vpon them and all a●e confessed by Protestants thēselues to be taken out of Canonicall Scripture except the first two out of the bookes of Machabees and ●oby which ●ere notwithstanding accompted for Canonicall in S. Augustines tyme as appeareth by the third Councell of Carthage in which himselfe was present and out of the new Testamēt he alleageth other fiue places with the expositions in like manner of the ancient Fathers vpon the same

Azor If he doubt therof willingly he is certainly an hereticke But by our Ministers leaue Azor addeth more Quoties quis voluntariè per●inaciter de fide dubitat eo ipso est Haereticus As often as a man doth doubt willingly and obstinatly of his faith he is thereby an hereticke For that faith is a sure and certaine assent of mind vnto those things that are to be belieued and he that willingly and obstinatly doubteth of the truth therof ●an not haue this firme and perfect assent and consequently hath no fayth during the tyme of this wilfull and obstinate doubting 10. And that yow may vnderstaud of what importance this word Pertinaciter is that this ma● cūningly so cutteth out of Azor his words yow must know that he in the very same Chapter holdeth that if a man doubt without pertinacity being ready to submit his iudgment when he shal be instructed in the truth incurreth not heresie at all So as heere the most substantiall word is left out and craftily conueyed away by our deuider of tongues wherby the Author is made to say the quite opposyte to that he sayth and protesteth 11. These were my words at that tyme. And now let the iudicious Reader iudge what cause I had to complaine as I did and yet got no satisfaction of M. Morton at all though the title of his former booke was a full Satisfaction and this later Preamble was cast out for a supply or complement to the said Satisfaction Did not this obiection deserue to be satisfyed before diuers other trifles wherwith you haue heard him now to fill vp paper and intertaine his Reader Let vs go forward THE THIRD Pretermitted falshood by Thomas Morton §. III. AND for that we haue begone to talke of Azor whome M. Morton some tymes will seeme highly to esteeme wee shall cyte an example or two of his abuse towards him which is s●t downe in my Treatise about a Case of comming from a Citty infected or belieued to be inf●cted in these wordes 13. The first Case shal be quoth I that which our Mynister so often proposeth and odiously doth exaggerate about Couentry saying That our English Equiuocators do teach that if a man come from Couentry for exāple which towne is held to be infected with the plague himselfe dwelling in a part of that Citty which is free frō infec●ion and being asked at London gates whether he came from Couentry th●y intending to aske him concerning a place infected he may answere no. For that herin he deceiueth not the mynd of the questioner but answereth directly to his intention So propoundeth he the Case as he pretendeth out of the Catholicke Treatise of Equiuocation which hitherto I haue not seene and consequently cannot affirme how truly or falsely the same is related but he hauing so vttered the said Case doth in opposition therof cyte the foresaid Iesuite Azor his sentence against this as though he said that if we admit this Case Nihil tam falsum esse posse quod non queat ab omni mendacio liberari nothing is so false but that it may be freed from a ly which words are indeed in Azor but not applied by him to this Case but to another saying That is it were lawfull ●or vs to feigne what words wee would in an Oath without regard to the circumstances of tyme place and persons before mentioned t●en nothing were so false indeed that might not be freed from all lying But this Case of ours goeth not cōioyned with these words of Azor as M. Morton hath perfidiously heere tyed them togeather but Azor speaking twice of this our Case in one page first in the name of others by way of obiection and againe in his owne name by way of resolution he saith Libenter concedimus de eo qui ad portas Vrbis rogatur c. VVe do willingly grant the example of him who comming to the gates of a Citty being asked whether he came from a certai●e place which by errour is thought to be infected with the plague and is not tutò citra mendacium iurare pot●st● se ex eo loco non venire he may secur●ly sweare without lying that he commeth not ●●om that place so as he vnderstand that he commeth not ●rom any place infected with the plague nor that himselfe ●s infected This is Azor his iudgment resolution And before him this Case was resolued by Doctor Syluester Nauar Tolet Roderiquez Cosmus Philiarchus and diuers other learned men as after him also by our often named Countrey man Gregorius Sayer and the reason of the lawfulnes of this answere is for that the answere being sure that either the place is not infected from whence he came or that himselfe hath brought no infection about him for otherwise he should be periured it were great iniurie vnto him to be staied at the gate wit●out cause And therefore for declyning this iniurie and iniustice it is lawfull for him to answere to the finall end and intention of the keeper and of the Citty or Common wealth whose intention only is to exclude infected people and not to their immediate words about the particuler place 14. And now all this being so cōsider I praie yow said I the shamelesse forehead of this deceauing Minister in citing Azor quite against himselfe and his owne sense and meaning and tying his wordes togeather that were spoken separately to another end and yet as though he had played no such iugling tricke but had gotten some victory ouer vs heare his insolent speach about this answere set downe by so many learned men as yow haue heard named An answere saith he so grossely false that a Iesuit of high esteme in your Church ●to wit Azor writing against this spirituall iuggling of his subtile lying brethren doth confesse that if this kind of answere concerning a place infected with the plague c. be not false then there is no speach so false but it may be freed from falshood By whome your Equiuocators sayth he may learne that if the man yow fancied came not from a place infected with bodily pestilence yet this your Equiuoting procedeth from mynds spiritually infected w●th the contagion of pestilent lying So he 15. And I do willingly remit my selfe to the indifferent Reader where this contagion of pestilent lying raigneth either in these graue learned m●n that haue decided this qu●stion without lying and against lying or in M. Morton that hath multipli●d so many lies togeather in this place as is a shame to number them For b●sides all that I haue noted alreadie he cor●upteth also h●re the v●ry text of Azor which himselfe alleadg●th in his marg●nt by translating it falsely into English where as Azor saith in the Case proposed Si venit ex loco aliquo p●ste minimè insecto qui ●alsò habet●r pro ins●cto he ●ngl●sh●th the same by le●uing out the words minime ●alsò saying If

in which heere he seemeth in part to be by his offer of vnion and agreement though in the very next leafe he falleth into extremities agayne saying That the most sacred person of Gods annoynted king Iames whome Pope Clement the ninth could proudly dare to terme the Scottish Her●ticke shall vnderneath his Princely foote tread downe Romes faithlesse Papall proud and Antichristian heresy c. 115. Do you see where the man is againe Euen now you haue heard him ascribe so much to Pope Pius Quintus as for that he was presumed though falsely to offer the allowance of the English Communion booke to Q. Elizabeth if she would take it of him that therfore they had a doctryne of faith religiō sufficiētly necessary to saluation for that the Pope had allowed it and yet now he turneth to his old rayling calling the Romā faith Romes faithlesse Papall proud Antichristian heresy And therby maketh all Christian kings that acknowledg the Popes spirituall authority to be faithlesse Antichristian heretikes How will this soūd in the eares of all forraine Monarches and greatest Potentates that are touched therby Is this intemperate speach befitting a Iudges person yea a Chiefe Iudge But there is nothing more intolerable in this speach then the base odious flattering of his Maiesty which vice it is read that diuers magnanimous Princes haue more hated and punished then any cryme besides yea next vnto treason it selfe especially when it is conioyned with notorious falsity as this is when he saith That Pope Clement the ninth he should haue said the eyght could proudly dare to terme the Scottish hereticke which is indeed a famous English calumniation deuised by himselfe or others and can neuer be proued to be true for that Pope Clement spake euer very respectiuely of his Maiesty in all occasions both when he was in Scotland and after Neyther will the contrary be found in any of his writings Wherfore it is both shamefull and shamelesse that such open vntruthes should be spoken in publike audience without controlment But let vs goe forward to a point or two more 116. After his former exhortatiō inuitation to draw Catholicks to his doctryne of faith and religion sufficiently necessary to saluation he pas●eth to another point of threatning first that his Maiesty will neuer giue any toleration to Catholicks and the second that in the meane space while they hope in vaine they shall abide the smart of punishments The first he proposeth in these words If there be any Papist so ●oolish and altogeather reasonlesse as to expect that his Maiesty may be drawne to such alteration or toleration as they desire I will them assuredly to know they hope in vaine The second he setteth downe thus Such Papists as notwithstanding the impossibility of their hope will still remaine peruerse let them know for certainty that the lawes concerning them shall receiue a most strict and seuere execution against them 117. This is the dreadfull denunciation of our new Iudge wherby you see that in the one he forestalleth absolutly his Maiesties will not only for the present but for all time to come further perhaps then he hath commission to take vpon him For what knoweth he what God may inspire his Maiesty in succeeding yeares Or what other reasōs and circumstances of time place and state of things may induce his Royall Wisdome prudently and piously for benefit of his subiects to alter somwhat his present resolution Is not the hart of kings in the hands of God Wil my L. Iustice so make himselfe Pedagogue and Maister of his Maiesties will as he will define or predetermine before hand what he shall doe or what he shall not doe for the time to come This is very predominant indeed and were more then inough for a whole Counsell to doe but much more and farre ouermuch for him that hitherto so farre as I know hath noe place among them We cannot but hope better of his Maiesties pious disposition and trust that in time we shall say also Spes non confundit notwithstanding the desperate resolution of Syr Edward to the contrary 118. And as for the second point of his threatning punishment and vexation to Catholickes it is litle to be wondred at and lesse to be esteemed in such a Cause as they suffer for Lesse to be wondred at for that such animosity of spirit is wont often to accompany them that rise in hast to excessiue wealth and authority ouer others lesse to be esteemed by Catholicks who both take it for a glory to suffer for their Religion and haue learned by experience of former tymes that God is wont to extend his hand and make an arrest euen then when those that persecute his seruants are most in their heate of pursuite against them And I could wish that Syr Edward did but looke ouer the two ancient written Bookes the one of Tertullian to Scapula the other of S. Cyprian in imitation of the former to Demetrianus both of them persecuting Iudges whome the said Authors do earnestly exhort to looke vpon the endes of such as had beene their persecutours in that their office before Possumus sayth Tertullian to Scapula exitus quorumdam Praesidum tibi proponere c. We might lay before your face the ends also of certayne Presidents or Iudges that after afflicting vs felt the hand of God themselues and then he nameth Vigelius Saturninus in Africa that was suddainly stroken blinde Claudius Herminianus in Cappadocia that was eaten with life Ceciliu● Capella of Byzantium that after much cruelty perished miserably when he least expected And I thinke also that I may truly adde that whosoeuer shall looke vpon the endes of such as haue bene the greatest persecutours of Catholikes in England since persecution began and among those also some Iudges of Syr Edwards ranke if I be not deceyued will finde litle cause to brag or to vaunt that they were happy therin But howsoeuer this be I say to our Iudge as Tertullian sayd to his when he layd before him the sayd examples Non te terremus quia nec time●●● we do not go about to terrify you for that neither do we feare you in this cause though I know you may vexe vs as you haue donne and do but when all is donne our hope is where it was in the Highest and our assurance and protection is the warrant of our Maister Nolite timere eos qui corpus occidunt c. Doe not feare those that can vexe or kill the body and afterward can do noe more but feare him that after this life can cast into hell and euerlasting torments and this Iudge must our Iudge feare also For he is Iudge of Iudges and can both reuerse iudgments and reuoke sentences at his pleasure 119. And thus much haue we bene induced to speake and repeate againe in this matter of this Norwich-Charge by occasion of Syr Edwards accusation of Pricket in