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A62014 The XXXVI questions propounded for resolution of unlearned Protestants in matter of religion to the doctors of the prelaticall pretended reformed-Church of England, retorted for resolution on unlearned papists in matter of religion, to V.H. and V.N. doctors of the pretended Catholick Church of Rome / by T. Svvadlin ... Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670. 1659 (1659) Wing S6228; ESTC R38289 40,246 62

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