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whether_o ever_o any_o refuse_v obstinate_o so_o to_o do_v 4._o opt._n l._n 2._o frl_n 15._o vict._n de_fw-fr persec_fw-la vand._n l._n 2_o fol._n 20._o august_n cou_fw-gr ep_v fund_z c._n 4._o but_o only_a schismatic_n and_o heretic_n whether_o the_o holy_a father_n by_o their_o so_o do_v do_v not_o use_v to_o confound_v all_o heretic_n &_o to_o show_v thereby_o that_o they_o do_v believe_v and_o communicate_v with_o s._n peter_n &_o s._n paul_n away_o as_o most_o easy_a so_o continual_o most_o sure_a and_o certain_a to_o avoid_v all_o error_n the_o 29._o demand_n tradition_n whe_n there_o they_o will_v be_v try_v by_o tradition_n most_o certain_a that_o have_v be_v always_o in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n yea_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o plain_a overthrow_v of_o all_o their_o buildinge_n only_o to_o hear_v that_o there_o have_v be_v always_o such_o tradition_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n or_o let_v they_o say_v whether_o theyfind_v not_o in_o most_o approve_a antiquity_n 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headship_n or_o primacy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o therefore_o ask_v they_o with_o what_o conscience_n yea_o &_o with_o what_o face_n they_o can_v say_v they_o to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n which_o compel_v man_n so_o to_o blaspheme_v and_o that_o with_o book_n oath_n their_o fellow_n puritan_n at_o home_n also_o abhor_v it_o that_o i_o speak_v not_o of_o many_o other_o point_n also_o of_o their_o doctrine_n condemn_v also_o by_o their_o own_o fellow_n as_o they_o know_v themselves_o &_o whosoever_o else_o that_o read_v their_o book_n the_o 31._o demand_n universality_n whether_o they_o know_v not_o 16._o vin_fw-fr lyr_n con_fw-mi omnes_fw-la haâ—_n c._n 3.4.31.41_o opt._n l._n 2_o f_o 13._o bed_n hist_o 4.5_o c._n 16._o that_o the_o ancient_a father_n have_v teach_v we_o in_o such_o a_o doubtful_a time_n of_o heresy_n as_o this_o be_v to_o try_v out_o the_o truth_n by_o universality_n &_o that_o they_o mean_v thereby_o if_o at_o any_o time_n we_o see_v a_o piece_n 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