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A50249 A disputation concerning church-members and their children in answer to XXI questions wherein the state of such children when adult, together with their duty towards the church, and the churches duty towards them is discussed by an assembly of divines meeting at Boston in New England, June 4th, 1657 / now published by a lover of truth. Mather, Richard, 1596-1669. 1659 (1659) Wing M1271A; ESTC R3585 21,931 42

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all Ordinances and full communion Deut. 29. 12 14. 2 Chron. 15. 12. 2 Chron. 34. 31 32. Where it is mentioned as the performance of a duty whereto they stand obliged by the Covenant made in their Infancy Propos. 3. Being accordingly called thereunto if after Church-admonition and other due means with patience used they shall refuse the performance of this great duty or in case they shall notwithstanding like means applied any otherwise continue scandalous it is the part of the Church to proceed with them to the censure of excommunication because the Facts mentioned deserve excommunication 2 Chron. 15. 13. Mat. 18. 17. 2 Cor. 5. 11. 2 Thes. 3. 6 14. And the persons are Church-members being confederate with their Parents and the Church as the matter requireth administreth Discipline to the Members thereof without respect of persons according to their capacity 1 Cor. 5. 12. 1 Tim. 5. 21. Add hereunto the instance of those who are separated from the Congregation for their non-observance of that Covenant Ezr. 10. 3 7 8. Together with the examples of Cain Ishmael and Esau not a little contributing to the truth of this assertion by way of proportion Propos. 4. In case they understand the grounds of Religion are not scandalous and solemnly own the Covenant in their own persons wherein they give up both themselves and their children unto the Lord and desire Baptism for them we with due reverence to any Godly Learned that may dissent see not sufficient cause to deny Baptism unto their children these reasons for the affirmative being proposed to consideration 1. Church-Members without offence and not baptized are to be baptized The children in Question are Church-Members without offence and not baptized Therefore the children in Question are to be baptized 2. Children in the covenant of Abraham as to the substance thereof i. e. To whom the promise made to Abraham as to the substance thereof doth belong are to be baptized The children in Question are children in the covenant of Abraham as to the substance thereof Therefore the children in Question are to be baptized 3. Children in the same estate with those children under the Law unto whom the seal of the righteousnesse of Faith because in that estate was by Institution Divine to be applied the Precept for so doing not repealed and the reason for so doing still remaining are to be baptized But the children in Question are children in the same estate viz. regularly in Church-covenant with those children under the Law unto whom the seal of the righteousnesse of Faith because in that estate was by Institution Divine to be applied the Precept for so doing not repealed and the reason for so doing still remaining Therefore the children in Question are to be baptized 4. Either the children in question are to be baptized or the Gospel dispensation forbids the application of the seal unto children regularly in Church-covenant unto whom the Mosaical dispensation commanded it to be applied But the Gospel despensation forbids not the application of the seal unto children regularly in Church-covenant unto whom the Mosaical dispensation commanded it to be applied Therefore the children in question are to be baptized The contrary opinion infers that the Gospel bereaveth the children mentioned at least in a considerable degree of their glory advantage mercy blessing and that in this respect it casts reproach yea brings disadvantage a judgment a curse upon them Iosh. 5. 9. Rom. 3. 1 2. 9. 4 5. This seems to be a lesse Evangelicall Tenent the nature of the Gospel being to enlarge and better not to contract and diminish the external dispensation of Grace 5. Children unto whom the Gospel testifieth both the promise and baptisme by vertue of that promise to belong ought to be baptized The children in question are children unto whom the Gospel testifieth both the promise and baptism by vertue of that to promise to belong Acts 2. 39. Therefore the children in Question ought to be baptized Obj. The Parent though a Church-member owning the Covenant in his own person and qualified according to the premises is not admitted to full communion therefore the child ought not to be baptized Ans. The Church-act onely and not any other act much lesse defect of the Parent is by Divine Institution accounted to the child The membership of the child is a distinct membership from the membership of the Parent In case the Parents membership ceaseth by death or censure the membership of the child remaineth still The membership of the child is the same in kind with and not inferiour to the membership of the Parent Membership is a Relation and therefore admits not of magìs and minùs more or lesse Members are better or worse and communion is more or lesse but membership admits not of degrees Benjamin an Infant but of an hour old is as truly a son as Reuben a man of twenty two years of age The child is baptized by vertue of his own membership and not by vertue of his Parents membership The Parents death is not with us an obstacle of the Childs Baptism Propos. 5. The same may be said concerning the children of such persons in question who being dead or necessarily absent either did or do give the Churches cause in judgment of charity to look at them as thus qualified and such as had they been called thereunto would so acted For in Charity that is here done interpretatively which is mentioned in the fourth Proposition expresly Propos. 6. Though the persons forementioned own the Covenant according to the premises yet before they are admitted to full communion i. e. To the Lords Supper and voting they must so hold forth their Faith and Repentance unto the judgment of Charity by way of confession in the congregation as it may appear unto the Church that they are able to examine themselves and to discern the Lords body See the proof hereof in Ans. to Quest 7th Quest 11. Whether children begotten by an excommunicate person are to be baptized he so remaining Ans. We cannot for the present answer the following Arguments for the Negative 1. Persons excommunicate are not members and the promise made to the seed belongs under the Gospel onely to the seed of immediate Parents in Covenant 2. Excommunicate Parents are to be looked at in Church account as Heathens and Publicans now the Church ought not to baptize the children of those which she is to account as Heathens Publicans because their children are unclean 1 Cor. 7. 14. 3. To baptize the children of the excommunicate is to have Church-communion with the excommunicate But those that we are forbidden to have civil communion with 1 Cor. 5. 11. We are much more forbidden to have Church Communion with Quest 12. Whether a Child born of a justly censurable person yet not actually excommunicate be to be baptized Ans. We answer affirmatively 1. Because the child is a Church-member by vertue of his covenanting with his Parents 2.