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A16795 The reasons vvhich Doctour Hill hath brought, for the vpholding of papistry, which is falselie termed the Catholike religion: vnmasked and shewed to be very weake, and vpon examination most insufficient for that purpose: by George Abbot ... The first part. Abbot, George, 1562-1633. 1604 (1604) STC 37; ESTC S100516 387,944 452

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brought for we wil ever do grant so much as any man can in truth wish to bee collected out of them But what is all this to the purpose since neither then nor since they do agree with the polluted doctrine of your Sinagoge and the faith which olde Rome spreade or mainetained is no more consonant to this infidelity which our new Rome maintaineth then an apple is like an oyster Which one answere although it cut of al your cavils which you fetch from antiquity in praise of Rome and we frequētly inculcate it vnto you yet because it so biteth you will in no sort remember It is a tricke in Rhetorike but it is withall but a base shift to slippe by that or to seeme to forget that which woundeth to the hart and vtterly destroyeth T. HILL BUt the Protestants per adventure will grant that the true Church flourished in those dayes but not afterwardes vntill this age in which they haue reformed the same yet is it most manifest that it flourished afterwardes even vntill this our time no lesse then it and before if not more for in Saint Gregory his daies it was spreade all over the worlde as appeareth by his Epistles to the Bishops of the East of Afrike Spaine France England Sicily And by Saint Bede in cap. 6. Cantic as also by Saint Bernard who disputing before Rogerim King of Sicily avouched that in those daies the East all the West Fraunce Germany Englande Spaniardes and many barbarous nations obeyed the Bishoppe of Rome G. ABBOT 8. The Protestāts not fearing that you shal gaine any thing by that which is truth wil refuse to yeeld you nothing that is true In the first Church that is while the Apostles lived the spouse of Christ for doctrine was most glorious for some hundreds of yeares afterwards her honor flourished not a little yet so that some pety superstitions began to creepe in heere and there But about six hundred years after Christ shee for the outward face did more more droupe in doctrine f 1. Ioh. 2. 18 Antichrists began to peepe vp in the Apostles time but then they coulde not properly be called the great Antichrist And that which was thē was not so eminently as that the followers of the Apostles did much obserue it being then more troubled with persecution or heretiks then with superstition In processe of time matters grew to a worse state evil opiniōs creeping in at last the maine g 2. Thes. 2. 3 Apostasie followed But in this Apostasie very great declining there were who yeelded not to the time but kept thēselues vnspotted of the world especially for mainest points of salvation And it being thus whē things were at the worst God in this later age hath suffred that truth which was more hidden to illustrate the Christian world again Yea but you wil proue that since the Primitiue Church faith florished more thē before or at the least it was not diminished vntill our time You can do wonders Sir or els your own reason would informe you that nothing beene added til these lare navigations of the Portingales Spaniards Christianity must needs be exceedingly diminished when the Saracens Turks for so long space haue devored so much of Asia Europa Africa as is or hath bin vnder thē You are but a simple man for story weaker for Cosmography or els you would not so improbably talke at randon But any thing serveth your turne Well the faith was in Gregories times over all the worlde How proue you this Forsooth he wrote Epistles to Bishops of Spaine France England Sicely yea of the East of Afrike Ergo the faith was over all the world A young man of the age of sixteene yeares hath by his diligence learned without booke the Epistle to Philemō that to the Colossians yea the book of Ruth and the Prophecy of Aggeus therefore he can say all the Bible by hart This is Logike for the Seminaries but not currant elsewhere VVhat wrote he into Tartaria or India or Manicongo what to Finland or Iseland or a thousand places more And what saith Bede h In Cantic 6. The summe of the citisens of that celestiall countrey doth exceede the measure of our estimation But this is spoken of all the faithfull that are were or ever shall bee in the world As also that following vpon the texte Adole scentularum non est numerus There are saith hee young maidens vvhereof there is no number because there are sound innumerable cōpantes of Christiā people Which within seaven lines after he maketh most evident The vniversall Church which in the same her faithfull members from the beginning even vnto the ending of the vvorld from the rising of the Sunne vnto the setting from the North and the Sea doe praise the name of the Lorde Doth this shew any extraordinary thing in the time of Beda or any flourishing of the Church or more thē that there were faithfull toward al parts of the world Such is that which was brought touching S. i In vita Bernard L●… 217 Bernard who vpō a great schisme in the Church of Rome betweene Innocentius and the Antipape Petrus Leonis being sent for to compose this strife and to see whether he could winne over to Innocētius Robert the King of Sicely who stood for Peter in his Oration saith that if Peters side were good they who acknowledged Innocentius for Pope should bee in very ill case And these hee nameth Then the Easterne Church shall perish vvhich at that time coulde comprehend no more but those fewe Christians vvhich were vvarring in or about Palestina for the Greeke Churches did not then acknowledge the Popes Iurisdiction the whole West shall perish Fraunce shallperish Germany shall perish the Spanish and English and the Barbarian kingdomes shall be drowned in the bottome of the Sea Where he doth not adde these special countries over and aboue the VVest but signifieth vvhat was meant by that generall name that is to saye Fraunce Germany Spaine and England vvith some inferiour Kingdomes So that now if S. Bernard doe say any thing heere your all the worlde is vvonderfully shrunke in the vvetting So you strive against the streame and the farther you goe the worse you goe T. HILL AND in these daies it is all over Italie all over Spaine and in Fraunce in most partes of Germany in Poleland Boheme besides England Hungary Greece Syria Aethiopia Aegypt in vvhich Landes are many Catholikes and in the newe world it flourisheth mightily in all the foure partes of the world Eastward in the Indies VVestward in America Northward in Iaponia Southward in Brasilia in the vttermost partes of Afrike G. ABBOT 9 AS many as be disposed to knowe the Popes strength harken now to his muster-maister Al Italie commeth first as being neerest the Popes nose then all Spaine is the second legion But how would it be in these lands if your Inquisitours did
of our Lord 1471. By this story it is manifest that both noble and learned of high account were of that Christian beleefe which Iohn Hus taught and vvere contented to adventure all things which they had in the world for the maintenance of the same 21 Perhaps here it may be asked but how shall we know that Iohn Hus and his followers did embrace that Religion which is now professed in England We finde in Aeneas Sylvius some opinions of theirs which peradventure will scant be reputed currant among all English Protestantes He rehearseth these fowre of theirs e Histor. Bohem ca. 50. That they would receiue the Sacrament in both kindes that Civill dominion is inhibited to Cleargy men that preaching of the vvords was to bee permitted to all men that publike crimes are in no sort to bee tolerated I answere truth it is that he there mentioneth onely those whither he relateth them truely or no it may be doubted as anon I shall shewe by laying open the custome of the enimies of the Gospell in mis-reporting their doctrine But elsewhere he delivereth other opinions of theirs as f Epist. 130. against the Supremacie of the Pope against Purgatorie against Invocation of Saints and such like matters If wee returne to Cochleus who was best acquainted with their matters wee shall finde much more As thus g Cochl Hist. lib. 1. Hus translated all the bookes of Canonicall Scripture into the Bohemian tongue the people did most diligently read them They would haue the holy Scripture to bee the only iudge in matters of Controversie They held that al Bishops and Priests are the successours of the Apostles That not the Pope but Christ is the head of the Church neither are the Cardinals the body but all that beleeue in Christ. That the Pope is not a member of the Church but of the Devill and his Synagoge That one Pope was a womā Yea Hus did preach that the Pope is an abomination and Antichrist Also h Lib. 2. he called the Generall Councel at Cōstance the Synagoge of Sathan Another of his Articles was i Lib. 3. The Pope is the beast in the Apocalyps His scholers after his death broke downe the k Lib. 4. Images in Churches and Monasteries Yea Zisca did cast downe all the l Lib. 5. Churches which were dedicated to the Virgin Mary or to any Saint as if it were lawfull to build a Church onely to almighty God In his time the Professours began to be distinguished into two companies The one of them did not so much dissent from the Pope as the other Those which in fewer matters differed from the Bishop of Rome retained stil the name of Hussites they which disagreed in more were called Thaborites of Thabor the Citty which Zisca built for them And these were the greater number and the stronger There is in Cochleus a m Professio fidei antiquae c. Confession of faith by one Iohannes de Pr●…bram a Bohemian who was but a Hussite and not well affected to the Thaborites because he accounted them as a kinde of Precisians or Puritanes in comparison of himselfe Yet this more milde man doth wishe and begge of God to see a reformation of the Church that there might be redressed n Artic. 57. Simonyes through all the worlde most detestable most wicked setting to sale of all Sacramentes most insatiable avarice most impudent fornications most putrified vncleannesses rottennesses most abominable Co●…ubines-keeping most polluted manners most dissolute most corrupt gestures behaviours harlotry every where too too much multiplyed in the Cleargy wherewith alas the whole earth lyeth corruptly filthy Also the Lucifer-like pride of the Cleargie vvhich is exalted above God their dainety and dayly banquets their aboundant riches and rich aboundance their disquietnesse most litigions being the cheefe roote of the quarrels of the world their curiosity most vai●… their most vnseemely pompe of apparell their conversation most secular-like their most open transgression of all the commaundements of God their most remisse care of soules their most negligent regard of the word of God This he saith for himselfe but concerning the Thaborites who indeede came neerer to the purity of the Gospell hee witnesseth of them that they held o Articul 5●… That materiall bread doth re●…ine in the Sacramēt●… that the Saints now triumphant are not to be called vpon that there is no Purgatory that no suffrages or praiers are to be made for the dead●… Also they allow not of the holy da●…es almost of al the Saints nor of the Eves or Uig●…s that go●… before them Nor the consecrations of visible thinges as salt oyle holy-water belles and such like They have a s●…bismaticall celebration of their Masses that is a severall sort of Church-service and refuse the most celebrsou●… service of the Churc●… and th●… r●…es and administrations of almost all the Sacraments Let our Papists now speake whether they wee do not agree in the same doctrine altogither For I doubt not but they who had received so much grace from God as to see all these things were also partakers of farther knovvledge in the mysteries of Salvation 22 VVhile I have spoken thus largely concerning these good Christians in Bohemia let not any man imagine that Christes faithfull flocke was restrained within the compasse of that countrey so that godly men were else no-where to bee found For certaine it is that betweene the time of Iohn Hus who was burnt in the yeere 1415. the first standing vp of Martin p An. 1517. Luther were very many other who in that darkenes did see what belonged to the light of the Gospell Among these may be reckoned as verie memorable the Waldēses who about the yeere 1508. do make q Responsio ad Doctorē Augustinū an answere in de●…ce of thēselues therin as they testifie that they thē had Priests of their own so they speake against Purgatory and most op●…ly against Trāsubstātiatiō The same touching Trāsubstātiatiō they do in a r Waldensium Confessio in fasciculo ●…erum expetend ●…ugiend Cōfessiō of theirs where also they impugne Adoration of the Eucharist There also they name the Prelates vnsav●…ry salt avouch that the execrable naughtines which was in thē by the instinct of the Devil did drive thē away frō the Sea of Rome For the Papists in their Sermon●… did cal one another schismatikes heretikes sacrilegious false Prophets ravening wolves the beast and whore in the Revelation Of s Sleidan Lib. 16. these there were many in one part of Fraunce who time out of minde had refused to beare the yoke of the Pope and therefore in the daies of Frauncis the first king of Fraunce by a bloudy decree of that king but by the execution of one Minerius a most cruell person Merin●…ol and Cabriers with some other villages about them were sacked and destroyed men women and children being slaine Yea diverse of them
of mens mindes and to bee breefe they have all one hart and one soule Act. 4 G. ABBOT 1 WHen that Italian Didapper who intituled himselfe a Praesat in explicatio triginta sigillorum Philotheus lordanus Brunus Nola●…us magis elaborata Theologia Doctor c. with a name longer then his body had in the traine of Alasco the Polish Duke seene our Vniversity in the yeare 1583. his hart was on fire to make himselfe by some worthy exploite to become famous in that celebrious place Not long after returning againe when he had more boldly then wisely got vp into the highest place of our best most renowned schoole stripping vp his sleeues like some Iugler and telling vs much of chentrum chirculus chircumforenchia after the pronunciation of his Country language he vndertooke among very many other matters to set on foote the opinion of Copernicus that the earth did goe round and the heavens did stand still wheras in truth it was his owne head which rather did run round his braines did not stand stil. When he had read his first Lecture a graue man both then and now of good place in that Vniversity seemed to himselfe some where to haue read those things which the Doctor propounded but silencing his conceit till he heard him the second time remembred himselfe then and repayring to his study found both the former and later Lecture taken almost verbatim out of the workes of b De vita coelitus cōparanda Marsilius Fic●…us Wherwith when he had acquainted that rare excellent Ornament of our land the Reverend Bishop of Durham that now is but then Deane of Christs-Church it was at the first thought fit to notifie to the Illustrious Reader so much as they had discovered But afterward hee who gaue the first light did most wisely intreate that once more they might make trial of him and if he persevered to abuse himselfe and that Auditory the thirde time they shoulde then do their pleasure After which Iordanus continuing to be idē Iordanus they caused some to make knowne vnto him their former patience the paines which he had taken with them so with great honesty of the litle mās part there was an end of that matter If I had beene at Palempine with you Doctor Hill in your chāber when you were writing this worthy work I should haue dealt so charitably with you as after the first second reason to tel you that some one or other of the Heretiks in Englād would soone disery where you had borrowed your stuffe but when I had perceived that you had been bold with c Motiv 27. M. Bristow for this third Reasō also I would haue intreated you to haue done somwhat of your selfe or to let all alone least some body should tel you that by D. Fulke the most part of your booke was answered before it was made But since I was then absent from you now it is too late to stop you at the third stone you must bee content to beare your owne praise and I satisfie my selfe that assone as I can cōveniently I acquaint you with it And hereafter it may be that we shal receiue from you d Terent in Prolog Eunuchi Nullū est ●…ā dictū quod non dictū sit priùs or some other Apologie for such borrowing 2. That your Antichristiā poison hath infected too many in Europe some other places we cānot but acknowledge exceedingly grieue at it also were it not that God had fore tolde that there should be such an e 2. Thes. 2 3 Apoc. 17. 2. Apostasie Princes Nations should be intoxicated by the Whore but that the extēt of your infectiō is not so large in Asia Africa as you praedicate here I shal haue occasion to shew you in my answer to your fift Reason You pretend that notwithstāding such variety of wits manners languages places matters to be beleeved you should haue put the sixth also as f Bristow Motiv 27. your M r. doth such difference of opinions amongst learned mē which you did leaue out least you should insinuate to any but a very favourable Reader a cōtradictiō to your own position such vnity hath beene kept as that in faith doctrine he who liveth in the most Westerne coūtries of the old inhabited world hath not dissēted frō him that resideth in those of the East where by the way you faile a litle in your Geography as wel as in your Divinity for it is much doubted of Ireland but certainly known that Englād is not so far to the West as Gallitia or Portingale but in Africa the partes about Marocco doe without controversie exceede them all Put this therefore in your negligences But all Papists in the worlde haue one faith one beleefe one Service one number of Sacraments one Obedience one Iudgement in all and the peace of their mindes is such through their vniformity that they haue all one hearte and one soule What their sympathy of affection in other matters besides Religion is if we could not learne by g Guicciard lib. 9. Pope Iulius the second in person making warre against Mirādula the Frēch then also lying in the field when all was covered with snowe or by h Natal Comes Hist. l. 9 King Philip the second of Spaine most eagerly watring by his Generall the Duke of Alva against Pope Paulus the fourth himselfe or by the i Conestag lib. 7. Histo. Spaniards prosecutiō against Don Antonio and his Portingales or by the much loue which Henry the third King of Fraunce with the Duke of Espernon did beare to the Guize and the Leaguers they to them or by the long continued k The estate of English fugitiues factions betweene our discōtented English Fugitives beyond the seas yet our Romanists at home would lately teach vs where the Iesuits and the Arch. Priest with his adherents on the one side and divers of the Seculars on the other side haue exercised such contentions and almost deadly fewde each against other that all England and a great parte of Europe hath rung of the same yea the Pope himselfe and his Cardinals are no straungers therevnto And by your leaue the rest of the Papists being either at liberty or restrained throughout this kingdome haue not beene all of one heart one obedience one iudgement aboute these businesses but there hath beene not only dislike but intestine hatred also in some of them against the blabbing Priests and the party opposite to the Iesuites 3 And doe all Papistes agree in matters of doctrine of faith and of beleefe when the l Quodlib fol. 21. in margine A dialogue betweene a secular Priest and a lay gentleman fol. 97. Iesuits are charged to giue toleration to come to the Protestants Churches and the Seculars do withstand it When the Iesuits vphold the Bul of Pope Pius the 5. the Seculars doe
many though not vniversall of all And whē he saith in many lands it is received of the greatest part of the inhabitāts he meaneth not that the naturals do accept of it but the Spanyards Portingals have killed the greatest part of them and now they themselves do make the maior part This advantage you have for your words D. Hill but yet notwithstanding all your fraud and facing we conclude that your Poperie is not predominant as you make it for put it altogither if I should say nothing of that which we teach but leave it wholy to God and his good blessing Gentilisme is yet by many degrees more then all the Papisme in the world and Mahometisme in Barbary in Turky in Persia and in the dominions of all those who hold for that false Prophet doth exceede it And yet the great propagatiō of Ethnicisme or Saracenisme doth not make them to bee in the right neither doth the same evince in behalfe of your Romane fancies but that only must go for truth which hath warrant out of the Scriptures T. HILL AND vvorthy it is to bee noted that in no land or countrey vnder heaven ever was or is any persecution of any moment against Papists as you terme them or against the Priestes of that Religion in regard that they be Papists or Priests made by authority from the Sea of Rome but onely in England And in very deede the vvhole vvorld doth wonder that little England dare and is not ashamed to doe that which never vvas seene in the vvorld before for let a Seminary Priest as they call him keepe him out of England and he is safe inough in any region vnder heaven This I say by the way for that it grieveth mee at the very hart to beare that my deare countrey doth persecute that religion which all the vvorld hath ioyfully embraced or at the least doth vvillingly tollerate as though shee were wiser then all the world beside is or ever hath beene or then al her Elders Or as though English Protestants knew and saw more then all the vvhole learned men of Christendome have done for so manie ages together G. ABBOT 17 IT should seeme that by this time in the shewing of your mē you have spēt al your powder for frō hēce to the end of this presēt Reasō you talke like a good fellow in more familiar sort leaning on the nose of your peece somewhat angry but will not fight Howe your Pseudo-Catholikes in England live afflicted and persecuted not onely our bookes h Execution of Iustice. A Letter to Mendoza declaring a truth but the matter it selfe sensiblie doth speake They lye well and they farewel and many of them do purchase and encrease their lively-hood yea some by your leave finde meanes to extraordinary lasciviousnes The bigger sort of them are by the monethly mulct vpon them so punished that besides that they have for much idle expence they can by bribes keepe spies about great personages they can give large giftes to winne their private purposes they cā haue their cursetors al the Realme over to give and take intelligence they can releive Prisoners they can maintaine diverse Iesuites like such gallants and swaggerers as requireth for each some hundred pounds by the yeare And yet in searches sometimes more ready mony and good golde is founde in their custody then ordinary men of their quality can be maisters of To these thinges they attaine by keeping no house or very little vnder a shew that for their conscience they pay all away I thinke that you your selfe wil confesse that in Queene Maries daies men of our Religion could not live so quietly although they had nothing to obiect against them but that they beleeved not the article of Transubstantiation Now for Priests that they have bin more looked vnto the reasō is sppatant The examples of i 1. Reg. 18. 40. Elias ill intreating Baals Priests of k 2. Reg. 23. 20. Iosias so serving other of like disposition as also of l Cap. 10. 25 Iehu proceeding in the same course shewe that wolves and destroying foxes if they will not keepe from the flocke must be woorried that is must be cut off by the sword of the magistrate Otherwise shall the perishing soules of the flocke bee required at the civill shepe-heards hande as well as they are exacted of the spirituall pastour for negligence But howe rough the state generally hath bin to such may be coniectured by their hasting hither fiftye in a m D. Elyes notes on the Apology fol. 211. yeare out of Rhemes alone Also by the sending away of Harte Pilcher and many other where of some were already condēned other by law were to suffer yet their lives were granted vnto the they only were banished their coūtry frō whēce they had volūtarily exiled thēselues for divers years before thirdly by the keeping of so many of thē at Wishbich Framingl●…ā some for 10. years some for 20 wher al was so to their wil that they had leysure to fall out who shold be n Relation of stirres at Wisbich greatest amōg thē sit highest at table yea to o Apolog cap. 6. feast to bowze to game to fight yea as since it is expressed in plainer wordes to fall top dicing drunkennes yea and whoredome fit exercises for men who would be taken to be designed martyrs And if some few of them have suffered let all sober men iudge whither the state had not cause to proceede so with them whose minds were discovered so plainly beyond the seas The excōmunication of Pius the 5. was procured at Rome by the instigation of some of our own countri-men thervpō a rebelliō was raised q Sander lib. 7. de visib Monar Concertat li●…cle Cathol in Angl Part 1. Felton is cōmended for fastēing vp the Bul at the Bishop of Londons gate And it is held as his praise that hee called the Queene no otherwise but by the name of the pretended Queene Sanders also ordinarily vseth that phrase against her And it is held as a glory in Doctor Story that writing to his wife he bestowed no other title on her Such as suffered for the rebellion in the Noth are tearmed r Ibidem Martyrs so is s Brist Motiv 1●… Felton also These matters are compiled togither in the booke called s Edit Anguste ●…reviror 1588. Concertatio Ecclesiae Catholica in Anglia out of which I will gather two or three flowers more It is saide as a praise of Everard Hanse that being asked of the Bull of Pope Pius he answered I hope hee did not erre in his sentence Hee saide I hope because that declaration was not doctrinal and therefore there might be an errour Speaking of Iames Laborne executed at Lancaster it is related as a Catholike acte in him that t E. Sander de Schism Lib 3. he tooke two exceptions why Lady Elizabeth was not Queene one by
reason of her birth the other for that she was deprived by the Pope Mentioning the story of one Fenne it is vrged that the dignity of S t. Peters successour was conferred vpon a profane woman Afterward these verses are set on her sacred Maiestie Sathanico praesul Calvini imbuta veneno est Elizabeth diraquè impietate tumet And lastly this is bestowed vpon her Elizabetha scelerum caput These thinges being writen by diverse of them beyond the seas do argue what spirit was among our Divines there If we wil have more proofe of the faithful harts of our male contented fugitives toward our late Princesse let vs looke on the words closely couched of the Rhemists in diverse places As that about u Annot in 2. Ioh. 10. Heretikes excōmunicated by name what things men are to withdraw from thē And let the traiterous actions of thē in our Realme expoūd that covert speech of Iezabel u In Apoc. 2. 20. elsewhere But in steed of al let the Action attempted against this kingdome heere in the yeare 1588 speake which was vehemently vrged by our Priestes abroade and the people to the beste of their povver fitted for it at home 18 If these generalities do not yet satisfy thē let it be remēbred where these Seminary Priests are brought vp how flying frō their native soile in the highest discōtentment they goe into the dominiōs of the Pope King of Spaine to whō howmuch England hath bin beholding a blind mā may almost see At their expēce they are maintained who in behalfe of their charges looke for some service again And vnder whō have they their educatiō Vnder men Iesuited as nowe D. Worthington the Rectour of the College at Doway is or vnder the Iusuits thēselves of whose vertues I have before spokē To their Governours by othe they owe obediēce of liklihood at their returne they take their directiō frō thē Now what maner of mē these be Allen who was long the Rectour of the College at Rhemes Persons now Governour of the Seminary at Rome may declare Cōcerning Allē our Secular Priests of late displaying the Iesuites do labour to extenuate the malice and poisonful behaviour of that hungry Cardinal but his works are extant testifying that there was never any man more virulent in hart against the state of England thē he was x Apolog. cap. 11. Persons reckoneth vp four of his bookes The Answere to the English Iustice The defence of the twelve martyrs in one yeare The Epistle allowing Sir VVilliam Stanleyes delivery vp of Daventry And the Declaration against her Maiestie and the State in the yeare 1588. In the first of these the y Chap. 2. protestatiō of Laborn before mētioned is remēbred that by other Papists as occasiō should serve it might be imitated And the whol treatise howsoever it seeme to be more closely cōveied then ordinary is forced with pestilent calūniations Of the same nature is the whole subiect of the second pēned of purpose to direct mēs affectiō frō the state The third is a litle Pamphlet short but not sweet maintaining the treasōful actiō of Sir William Stāley by many an vn-Christiā cēsure most slaūderous imputatiō As for z Allens answere 1584 exāple That our country is fallen into Atheisme That the Queenes confederacies were only alwaies with Christs enemies That the warres of the English in the low Countries were sacrilegious warres and of a hereticall Prince And because he wil be like himselfe hee goeth on That all the actes in this Realme since the Queene was excōmunicated and deposed from regall dignity are voide therfore shee can denotence no warre neither may her subiects there serve her when a Prince is become an open Rebell to the See Apostolike He wish●…h that the rest of the English souldiours would doe as they with Sir VVilliam Stanley did He saith that the English take no quarrels in handes but for the dishonorable defence of Rebels Pyrates and Infidels I doe of purpose heere omitte many vile and execrable speeches by him added least the very rehearsing of them might iustly be offensive But the wicked man did make no cōscience to staine his whole coūtrey with horrible defamations I would heare any Secular in the vvorlde vvho can excuse this cursed fellovve The fourth was printed in Englishe and should have beened vulged if the Spanyardes coulde have sette footing in England in the yeare 1588. Hee vvho list to see it may finde it vvorde for vvorde in a Belgic Histor l. 15. Meterranus Amonge other matters there are these Our Soveraigne then beeing is called the Pretended Queene and the present vsurper Shee must be deprived of the administration of the kingdome Shee is an Heretike a Schismatike excommunicate contumacinis vsurping the kingdome against all right as for other causes so because shee had not the consent of the greate Bishoppe of Rome Shee mooved the Turke to invade Christendome Shee hath sette at sale and made a ma●… of Lavves and rightes Some of her factes make her vncapable of the kingdome some other make her vnvvorthie of life Therefore Pope sixtus the fifth doth renew the excommunication against her and doth deprive her of her title and preteaces to the kingdomes of Englande and Ireland declaring her illegitimate and an vs●…per and absolving all her subiectes from the ●…th of sidelity toward her Then he chardgeth all to withdraw their ●…de from her that worthy punishment may be taken of her and that they ●…e themselues with the Duke of Parma Also it is proclaimed lawfull ●…y hands vpon vpon the Queene and a very great reward is promised to those who do so A safe conduct is then given to as many as wil bring ●…ny w●… like provision to the Spanish campe and to all who woulde assist that enterprise the Pope doth by Indulgence giue full pardon and plenary remission of all their sinnes If these things doe not sufficiently shew the viperous minde of this lewde Cardinall against his Prince Country nothing in the world can manifest it His dis Englished woolvish desire was that his naturall place of educatiō for which the old heathēs would haue lost ten thousand liues should haue beene in the everlasting bondage of the Spanyard Our Seculars then commending and excusing him to their powers are pitifully out but the error of them and of some English gentlementravailers was this that they imagined him in his latter yeares to be altered when indeede it was nothing else but that after the yeare 88 his hopes being deluded and neither Pope nor Spaniarde nor all their adherentes knowing how to remedy or recover that inestimable losse and incomparable dishonour vnto them his hart was as good as broken and he would seeme more desirous to shew all tolerability to single men of our English nation that he might haue some grace with thē since he began to haue so little with the Spanyard But doubtlesse venime had so putrisied him
wages due for their worke Ex malis moribus bonae nascuntur leges Ill manners breede good lawes And if England alone have received such bad measure from vnnatural bredde English who can blame the Magistrates and law-makers of England if by speciall ordinances they provide for the safety of that charge which is committed to them which cannot be but by cutting off such malefactours When other kingdomes have beene so much burnte they wil dreade the fire when other nations have beene so bitten they will beware of dogges teeth What other countries would doe if there were cause you may gesse by Fraunce which standing yet on termes of Popery have removed the Iesuites so that if they wil come there it is on hazard of their life I will sette downe the wordes as they bee in the Decree of the Parliament of Paris against thē that no man may doubt in that case n Iesuits Ca ●…h lib 3. cap. 18. The Court doth ordains that the Priests and Students of the College of Clai●…mont and all other calling themselues of that Society of Iesus as corrupters of youth and disturbers of the common quiet enemies of the King and State shall avoide within three daies after the publication of this present sentence out of Paris and other Cities and places where their Colleges are fifteen dates after out of the Realme vpon paine wheresoever they shall be found the said terme expired to be punished at guilty and culpable of the crime of high Treason And afterward It forbiddeth all the Kinges subiects to send any scholers to the Colleges of the said Society being out of the Realme there to bee instructed vpon the like paine to incurre the crime of high o This decree was made 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ●…mb 〈◊〉 treason Thus the Papists of Fraunce deale with the Iesuits who are the bringers vp brethren and cousin germaines of our Seminarians If they keepe them out of Fraūce they are not touched or reached after and so heere it is with the Idolatrous massing Priestes sent from the Pope of Rome who loueth vs vnmeasurablie and from the dominions of the Kinge of Spaine or those who depend vpon him We neede them not we send not for them and therefore if they come it is vpon their owne perill 20 Yet because this proceeding seemeth to you to be so hard in your bookes in England elsewhere published you so exclaime of the rigorousnes of our kingdome in this behalfe I will a little remēber you what milder mē of your own Seminaries have published in this matter acknowledging that iustly by bookes enterprises the State hath bin exasperated against you I confesse that they lay al the blame on the Iesuits Iesuited but those we cā hardly distinguish frō mē otherwise minded And if we could it were to smal purpose since the followers of the Arch-priest are al Iesuited as M. Persons saith they are p Apolog. cap 8 300. to 10. of the other Since thē the sway sweepe goeth the other way for the adverse part we have no warrant but that they may leave their best goodnes whē thēselves wil which Watson Clerke have lately ex emplified it is best to let the lawe stand against all leaving the forbearance of stricte execution to the wisedome of those in authority who incline to mercy vvhere it is fit to bee extended One q A C in his 2 letter pag. 42 who although he be not a Priest yet was brought vp in the Seminary saith thus At the Queenes comming in many of vs were too soone turned so Iesuitish and Spanish to the attempting of disloyall plots against her State person that shee was driven to trust wholy to her Protestants holding vs all suspect And r Ibid. p 29 againe The Iesuites outrage Princes as murthering the last Frēch King had done our deare Soveraigne sundry times if Gods hand had not beene the stronger Another s Reply to the Apology cap 17 telleth vs that in the Colledges erected by the meanes of Parsons Priests other have bin induced to subscribe to forreine titles yea to come in person against their own coūtry He who answereth the manifestatiō supposed to be the writing of Persōs acknowledgeth that D. s Fol. 35. Saūders his works De visibili Monarchia De schismate Anglic cōtain so many erreverēt speeches the divulging of such odius matters against her M r. her noble ●…genitours as the vntruths of some the incertainty of others cōsiderd could not but irritat the most Christiā Catholik patiēt Prince in the world A t Fol 3●… litle before he telleth vs Neither for ought I se doth the State wake shew of persecutiō quoad vitā et necē for matter meerely of religion and conscience but vpon pretence of treason or attēpts against her Maiesties person or state or at the least vpō the feare therof But yet more directly he proceedeth u Fol. 31. 32 I would but aske Fa. Persons because I know him to be a great Statist this one question whither in his conscience he did thinke there be anie Prince in the world be he never so Catholike that should haue within his dominions a kinde of people amongst whom divers times he should discover matters of treason and practises against his person and state whither he would permit those kinde of people to liue within his dominions if he could be otherwise rid of them whither he would not make straight lawes and execute them severely against such offendours yea and all of that companie and qualitie rather then he would remaine in anie danger of such secret practises and plots I thinke Fa. Persons will not for shame denie this Then the fault is not in the Prince and State for being cautious but in the Romanists for being pragmaticall in dangerous attēpts I will ioine to these the testimony of M. Watson who is copious in this point He saith that the u In the pre face to the Quodlibers Seminaries at first made the Iesuits cause attempts intentes practises and proceedings their owne in every thing their plots and practises they seemed at first to defende or at least to winke at Hence they were intangled by penall laws iustly made against them equally as against the Iesuits In another x Quod. 8. 9 place thus At the affliction of Catholikes in England hath beene in very deede extraordinary and many an innocente man lost his life so also hath the cause thereof beene extraordinary and so farre beyonde the accustomed occasions of persecutiō givē to any Prince in Christēdome or monarchy that is or ever was in the world to this hower as rather it is to be wondered at all things duely considered that any one Catholike is left on liue in Englande then that our persecution hath beene so great for name one nation I know none can vnder heaven where the subiects especially if they were
Catholikes ever sought the death of their Soveraigne though of a different religion from thē the conquest of their natiue land the subversion of the state the depopulation of the weale publike the alteration and change of all lawes customes and orders and in few the vtter devastation desolation and destruction of all the ancient inhabitants of their land c. Now if this may be saide of the laity of the English Papists what censure may bee given of the Priests the vrgers and instigatours of all these things He speaketh elsewhere more particularly of the Seminary Priests y Quod. 9. 4 Howe can they expect any favor when they are taken none can deny that their comming over is to increase the number of Catholikes and that Fa. Persons raigneth and hath the whole direction at this day for all the missions that are for England How then alas how may her