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A06476	The Christian against the Iesuite Wherein the secrete or namelesse writer of a pernitious booke, intituled A discouerie of I. Nicols minister &c. priuily printed, couertly cast abrod, and secretely solde, is not only iustly reprooued: but also a booke, dedicated to the Queenes Maiestie, called A persuasion from papistrie, therein derided and falsified, is defended by Thomas Lupton the authour thereof. Reade with aduisement, and iudge vprightly: and be affectioned only to truth. Seene and allowed.	Lupton, Thomas.	1582 (1582)	STC 16946; ESTC S107762	169,674	220

latine before Whatsoeuer his knowledge is in the Latine tongue I knowe not but his Christian faith exceedeth your Iesuitic all learning For as the Centurion being captaine of an hundred souldiers before mentioned and Cornelius the Captaine to whome S. Peter was sent were more accepted of God for their faith though they were not deeply learned thē the proud learned Scribes Pharisees and high Priestes So this worthie zelous knight sir Owen Hopton being the Queenes Maiesties Liefetenant and chiefe captaine of the Towre and of all her Maiesties seruants and souldiers there though he be not so deepely learned as you yet for his zelous minde his earnest loue to Gods worde and for his perfect faith in Christ is no doubt therefore more accepted of God then you that cast of Gods woorde and cleaue to your owne wit and learning And for that you say that hee was ouermuch troubled with latine it is like you thought hee had but small knowledge in Hebrwe and Greeke But for his wanting of those two tongues in my iudgement hee is not the lesse to bee esteemed if the Popes were not worse to bèe thought of for wanting of Latine for if your Spirituall Popes that had all lawes in their bosomes and an heauenly or diuine iudgement in their breastes wanted Latine and Grammer as is before proued Then sir Owen Hopton being but a temporall knight and the Queenes Lieftenant of the Towre may well lacke both Heinwe and Greeke And thus though you seeme to deride mee for want of 〈◊〉 and learning yet I wish with all my hearte that Christe doe not despise you at the last and dreedefull day for lacke of faith The 46. part YOu say that I cite all my whole matter out of Iewels defence of the Apologie Foxe his Martyrologe and Cowper Epitome of the Chronicle As good as wise as godly learned as you woulde haue named these three worthie and learned men with more reuerence then you haue done beeing three such speciall and painefull learned writers for the commoditie of their Countrie and for the perpetuall profite of our posteritie as neither your great citie of Rome nor yet the whole Countrie of Italie haue bread or brought foorth at any one time three suche as this our Countrie of England hath done of them at least so manifestly knowne by their workes as they are by their writings Wee Christians heere in Englande doe knowledge our selues greatly bounde to God for them and such like though you Iesuites doe make small account of them I had been a very vnskilfull writer if I had not written in the same part of my booke one sentence of mine owne but all of other mens doings seeing it was one of the three partes of fortie sheetes of Paper But as al your woordes before haue not been Gospel so here you haue spoken more than truth But if you were as loth to speake that is false as it seemeth you are carelesse 〈◊〉 you speake you would I am sure haue saide that some part of the same was none of theirs Whether all my matter of that parte of my saide booke bee cited out of master Iewell master Cowpers and master Foxes bookes I wil referre the same to the indifferent reader thereof And if they say that I haue cited all the matter therein conteined out of the said learned mens bookes I will become a 〈◊〉 so that you if they say contrary will become a Christian. But as many arguments similitudes and sentences of the same was of mine owne deuising through Gods helpe so there are other learned authorities that I had neuer of them But suppose that I had taken all my authors for my purpose out of them being the authours words and truely alleadged shoulde that bee a discredite to my 〈◊〉 must euery booke bee counted vnlearned and of no value vnlesse euery sentence of Saint Augustine Chrisostome or other learned fathers doctors or writers that is 〈◊〉 therein bee taken out of the authours woorke that first wrote them Then many of your Papisticall pamphlets that you esteeme and extoll must not goe for 〈◊〉 Can you make mee beleeue that euery authour cited by you is taken out of the originall worke I scantly thinke it I doubt not but that some of you doe credite your friends quoting sometime without further searche What if I shoulde alleadge out of the Gospell of Saint Matthewe these wordes of Esay spoken by Christe which rightly may bee applied vnto you With the eares yee shall heare and shall not vnderstande and with the eyes yee shall see and shall not perceiue c. Or these wordes of Esay out of Saint Markes Gospell This people honoreth mee with their lippes but their heartes are farre from mee Will you not credite Christe the citer heereof Or will you ieast at the work because I tooke thē not out of the booke of the Prophesie of Esay May not a man vpon the credite of Saint Paule recite vpon some occasion some of his 〈◊〉 of the Prophetes or other Scriptures that hee citeth in his Epistles Or shall the booke bee disdained or discredited because the writer of the booke tooke not the same out of the Prophet that spake them Or out of his booke that first wrote them They that therefore will mislike a booke are rather precise papists then perfect Protestantes If I should make a good precious medicine would you dispraise or despise that good and precious medicine or think scorn of it because the herbes y t made it was not gathered in the garden beyonde the Sea from whence the Seedes or herbes were first brought If you were so curious you were not worthie to be cured of your disease And if such curiositie were vsed many one woulde bee dead before the medicine were made It maketh no matter howe nigh or where the herbes be gathered so that they be y e right herbs and haue the very vertue And so if wee produce learned mens sayings for testimonie and make therewith a spirituall confection for the health of the soule it forceth not out of what booke wee cite them so that they bee the right woordes and the true sense of the first Authour Therfore though I had cited all my matter out of master Iewels master Foxes and master Cowpers bookes as I haue not so that they be apt fit for my purpose beeing the very true woordes of the first and originall authour thereof you had neither therefore cause to discredite my booke neither the indifferent Reader to mislike my booke Perhaps you disdaine or mislike it because I haue cited in some pointes master Iewell master Cowper and master Foxe for authoritie seeing they are yet aliue or were but late writers and therefore you thinke them vnworthie to bee cited as authours Surely if you thinke so as I beleeue both you and many other do so then I take your opinion therein to bee rather preposterous then profound and reproueable then

truely so the spirite of Satan procureth the professours of Papistrie to speake or write falsely And where you say rather mockingly then modestly to bee read with deuotion A man may reade the wise and learned answeres y e pacient sufferings and the whippings scourgings and tormētings of the godly Gospellers with more deuotiō then your Romanes that before you wrote of can whip and scourge themselues for their owne offences yea though they scourge all the blood out of their bodies And though you Iesuites thinke that the reading of that most excellent necessarie booke will worke small deuotion in them that reade it yet wee Christians doe beleeue that you that write against the truth falsifiyng mens writings and make such manifest lyes doe not the same with any godly deuotion I hope wee Christians may reade master Foxes martyrologe with as great deuotiō y t expresseth the doyngs of the Saints of God that dyed wrongfully for professing Gods worde as you Iesuites may read your Popish martyrologe of the popes traiterous Saints that were iustly executed for murther and treason Thus though you thought vtterly to defame and discredite mee beeing a Christian by that time y t the indifferent Reader haue read this throughly I thinke you will wiune but small credite though you bee a Iesuite The 60. part YOu speake these words in the knitting vp of yuor said Discouerie As long as there shall bee either honest vertuous learned wise modest noble or gentle minde in Englande so long shall wee gaine by these their proceedings You haue a very good opinion in your works and writings for though your cause be neuer so course and your writings be neuer so false yet by your saying there is neuer honest vertuous learned wise modest noble nor gentle minde in England but such as take your cause to bee good and your religion true And as long as there is any suche you shall gaine and that by óur writings and proceedinges Then by this your sayings it appeareth if you chaunce to loose and wee gaine by your proceedinges then there is neuer an honest vertuous learned wise modest noble nor gentle minde in Englande This is the definitiue sentence of a Iesuite therefore it must needes be true Wherefore it were best for vs to suffer you to gaine by our proceedings least all our honest vertuous learned wise modest noble or gentle minds in England vanish quite away out of Englande and then were Englande vtterly marde But if you count your losses with your winnings I feare at the ende of your account your gayne will not bee very great nay it will seeme rather that you haue loste then wonne and so your loosing hath made vs loose all our honest wise and vertuous Noble men and Gentle men wherewith Englande was wont to florishe when you did gaine or win What a most spitefull saying and an arrogant 〈◊〉 is this of a Iesuite 〈◊〉 though there were neuer an honest vertuous learned wise modest noble nor gentle minde in England that are contrarie to your religion or that will not suffer you to gaine by your lying and to winne by your wicked writing Here in the knitting vp you haue shewed what you are for as you haue proceeded with vntruth so you end with falshood And as you haue runne this your rase vntruly and vnchristianly so you haue ended the same most 〈◊〉 and arrogantly And now for that you haue detracted my said booke called a persuasion from papistrie to bring it into such contempt that thereby it shoulde not bee read though you bee a Iesuite you may bee deceiued for whereas you thought to haue blowne out y e fier it may be y e thereby you haue kindeled the flame For you haue so 〈◊〉 mee to defende it that many perceiuing heereby howe vniustly you haue charged mee with 〈◊〉 may haply reade and peruse it that otherwise if you had not been too busie with your penne should neuer haue hearde of it whereby your doctrine may the more be despised And thus as many haue doone perhaps you may loose by that you hoped to winne I 〈◊〉 you are fullier answered then you looked for and more reproued and confuted then your friendes wold haue thought for your faire shew is turned into a foule shadowe your pretended wisedome into manifest folly your curious cunning into counterfeating lying though some more armed with affection than ruled with reason haue bragd that your learning is so great and your saide booke so true that the one shoulde seeme incomparable and 〈◊〉 other vnreproueable Not doubting but that they that shall reade this my booke written as an answere to you and in the defence of my saide booke called A persuasion from papistrie will not easily bee persuaded that my saide booke whiche you counte so light and so full of lyes is without all method or matter which I dedicated and deliuered with mine owne handes to the most famous learned and mercifull princes of the world whose subiect I am whō I am most bound vnder God to obey And if I were as great a lyer as you woulde fayne make me yet what wise man wil thinke that I durst once presume to lyne that booke with lies that I gaue to her grace But though you as it becommeth a Iesuite went about as much as in you laye to diseredite mee and my saide 〈◊〉 and thereby to make mee loose the fauour of men yet I as beseemeth a Christian wishe with all my heart that you may 〈◊〉 the holy 〈◊〉 and of a false Iesuite become a true Christian whereby you may obtayne the fauour of God FINIS Uirescit vulnere veritas Imprinted at London at the three Cranes in the Vintree by Thomas Dawson for Thomas Woodcocke dwelling in Paules Church-yard at the signe of the blacke Beare 1582. I. part Acts. 17. Matth. 20. Marke 1. Marke 10. Mark 15. Iohn 12. Actes 1. Acts. 6. Actes 13. Actes 23. Chrys. in act Homil. 19. Concil later sessi 6. pag. 604. Math. 7. Math. 7. The othe of the Iesuites Bullapiiquarti super ordinatione promotione doctorum aliorum cuiuscunque artis et facoltatis professorum c. 2. part Phil. 2. ver 9. 3. part Acts. 4. ver 12. Math. 〈◊〉 Math. 3. Math. 7. 4. part Persuas from papistrie Pag. 289. Pag. 291. Pag. 〈◊〉 Pag. 〈◊〉 Pag. 292. 5. part Bernard ser. 4.2 in Can. Persuas from papistrie Pag. 290. Pag. 293. Pag. 294. Pag. 296. Pag. 296. Pag. 298. 〈◊〉 part Discouerie Pag. 3. Dist. 40. si papa in glossa Extra de trās episcopi Quanto in glossa The. 7. part discou pag. 3. Inter epi. Au. epi. 91. Eras. The 8. part discou pag. 3. Erasmus in scholis in Hieronym ad Marcellam De con distin 4 Retulerunt Iulius pp. 1. 9. quae 3. neque ab Augu. dist 19. si Romanorum in glos Extra de trās 〈◊〉 quanto in glossa 3. King 3. Perswasion from papistry pag. 121. Iohā Caluin