ChristeÌ„ man ought to mystrust the same is also expressed in kneeling in knockiÌ„g the brest in kissing of holy reliks or in any holy ceremony don for the honour of God aÌ„d of his SaiÌ„ts which redouÌ„deth to hiÌ„ for whose sake they are honored By this M. Horn you may shortly vnderstaÌ„d in what sense the Catholiks affirme that by a holy ceremony venial sins may be takeÌ„ away And thus the Crosse that came froÌ„ the Iesuites to M. Feken came in a good howre As by the occasioÌ„ wherof you haue discouered vnto you some of your lurking heresies aÌ„d the Catholike faith is somwhat opened more perhaps theÌ„ you wold it wer to al such as haue grace to harkeÌ„ thervnto Your farder assertioÌ„ that al mortal syns are also venial saue oÌ„ly the syn agaiÌ„st the holy Ghost is the new scoured heresy of Wiclef as is before touched But see you not that when ye saye there is no mortall sinne but the sinne against the holy Ghoste howe contrary you are to your selfe saying that al sinnes are mortal and yet againe affirming there is no mortal sinne at all but one Whereby ye go very nere to the Pelagians heresie taking away originall sinne For if there be no mortall sinne but the sinne against the holy Ghoste that is lacke of repentance as Wicleff declareth then did not Adam coÌ„mitte any mortal sinne for he died penitently And then if he coÌ„mitted no deadly sinne in the transgression of Gods coÌ„maundement he could not transfunde originall sinne that should kill his posteritie which was a braunche of the Pelagian heresie Neither wil it helpe you to say that there is no synne sauing lacke of repentaunce but is purged by the merits of Christ. For the question is not when we speake of veniall and mortall synne howe it may be taken away or forgeuen but what payne and penalty eche of his owne nature deserueth Venial synne deserueth no other payne then teÌ„poral paine Mortal sinne deserueth euerlasting paine But here is no place exactly to discusse these matters And I haue saied this onely to shew what a sort of errours and heresies ye wrap vp with the closing of your boke and that if it were but for theis only M. Fekenham might haue called you and that iustly in plaine termes without any almost an heretike As for M. Iewel if M. Fekenham said as ye say he sayd that he should neuer be able to answere M. Doctour Hardings boke he said nothing but truth which doth well appere to any indifferent Reader by the labours of those that haue confuted already the stronger the greater and the more important partes of his Reply and haue alredy discried about one thowsand of manifest errours and lies in him To what number then thinke you will they muster if a whole confutation of all the remnant should come forthe Here would nowe somewhat be saied to your answere concerning the rumour of M. Fekenhams subscription and recantation and I suppose if I knewe the whole circuÌ„stance of the matter I might easely confute al your answere therin And yet as straunge as ye make your self to that rumour or any knowledge therof a man may wel gather and go no further then your owne booke that your selfe ministred great occasion of suche rumours as telling him so often in your answere of the feare of reuolte that his frendes had in him with the whiche also you ende your answere In telling of him that he semed to be resolued and in a maner fully satisfied at your hands And that ye made relation thereof to certaine honourable persons and finally that your selfe do plainely here confesse that ye sayed that M. Fekenham had chaunged his Religion nine tymes yea nintene tymes But these matters I will leaue as also your vnkinde and vngentle dealing with him and your complaintes againste him contrary to your promisse and will nowe onely put your Reader in remembramce of the Iesuites whome ye call monkishe Iebusites and pray him withall well to consider the order and trade of theire lyues and doctrine yea the gloriouse issewe that hath and daylie doth followe thereof comparing them with the doinges and doctrine of you and your fellowes And then I doubte not but he will thinke that this is nothing but vile and wicked rayling in you to call them Iebusites and that in comparison to you and your ghospelling bretherne they may be counted lyuing angells Yf the profession of a religiouse and a monastical life deserue in them this contumely and reproche at your handes then may ye call S. Basil S. Hierome S. Augustine S. Chrysostome S. Gregory our Apostle with Ruffinus Epiphanius Paulinus Cassianus and a nuÌ„ber of other auncient and godly Fathers Iebusites to And see ye not M. Horne howe this your blasphemie doth not redounde to those Fathers onely but euen to our Sauiour Christe Iesus him selfe whose name they beare and whose steppes they most diligently and most ernestly do followe aswel by a vertuouse austere lyfe as by paineful preaching Which their trauaile our Sauiour Iesus hath so prospered and blessed that your newe Apostle Luther hath not brought so many Christian soules by his poysoned heresie to destruction and damnation in Europa as they haue brought Panyms Mores aÌ„d Turks many a thousand mile from Europa from Paganisme to the catholike faith from the which we haue departed and runne awaye hedlong Neither can I either to much thinke vpon or to much prayse the wonderfull prouidence of God in this behalfe For euen as a thousand yeares sithence the Christian Empire and faith beganne to decay in Asia and Afrike by cursed Mahomete caused the decayed faith againe to springe and take roote in the west parte of the worlde as namely among vs in England and afterward among the Germans the Bulgarians the Polonians the Hungarians the Danes the Prussians the Lituanians and among a number of other nations as I haue in the Fortresse annexed to the history of Bede â—eclared so nowe in the latter daies the Empire of Constantinople becomming Turkishe and in our daies a great part of our owne Europa being the more pity caried away with errours and heresies God hath of his wonderful mercy and goodnes in mans remembrance opened and reueled to vs as it were a newe world of the which neâ—ther by writing nor otherwise we euer heard any thing before And which is a cause of deper and more ample thankes he hath by his prouidence so ordeyned that the sayd couÌ„tries beside in Asia and Aphâ—ica are become of plaine and open Idolatours of Mores and Sarazens very good Christians aÌ„d that cheifly by the great helpe and trauaile of these blessed and vertuouse Iesuites whom you so lewdly cal Iebusites By whom also God hath shewed such wonders and miracles as the hearing or reading of them were to any good Christian heart of al things most comfortable And suerly if a man would deaply and throughly weigh and consider
rebellion againste the Queenes person or no Yee will perchaunce to extenuate the matter saye it is the priuate doinge of one or two disanulled by the reste Nay Syr yee shall not so scape I saye this was the commen consente and iudgemente of all your holie brethren of Geneua as well Englishe as other yea of Maister Caluin him selfe as it may be gathered by Maister Whitingham his Preface to the sayed booke of Maister Goodman Maister Christopher Goodman sayeth he conferred his Articles and chiefe Propositions with the beste learned in these parties who approued them he consented to enlarge the sayd SermoÌ„ and so to print it as a token of his duetie and good affection toward the Church of God And theÌ„ if it were thought good to the iudgement of the godlie to translate the same into other laÌ„guages that the profit therof might be more vniuersal Lo good M. Horne a sermon made at Geneua to al the English brethren not only to depriue the Quene of her title of the Supremacy in causes Ecclesiasticall but euen in temporal too and from al gouernmeÌ„t the matter being coÌ„municated beside to the best learned there And then M. Caluin and M. Beza too I trowe gaue their verdict to this noble and clerkly worke And so it seemeth to importe the consent of al the gehennical I should haue said the Geneuical Church And who are those now that rule al the rost in England but this good brotherhod Men no doubt well worthy for whose sakes the Catholiks shold be thus hardly haÌ„deled and to whome the Q. Maiesty is who doubteth depelye bounde and they worthie to be so well cherished at her hands as they are These good brethren by their new broched Diuinitie haue found a prety deuise at their pleasure not onelye to depose the Queenes Maiestye and the Quene of Scotland but also the greatest parte of all other Princes such I meane as be women or haue holden their gouernment by their discent from women As did in our Countrie since the conquest Henrie the second the sonne of Maude th' Empresse daughter to King Henrie the firste As did Phillipp Charles the late Emperours Father holde Burgundie and Charles him selfe the Kingdom of Spaine I here omit now Petronilla the Prince of the Arragones Maude of Mantua bothe Iones of Naples Margaret of Norwey and other women Princes els where as in Nauarre and in Loraine But what speake I of women only when Knoxe as I haue shewed will haue all Realmes to goe by election and not by succession So that now whereas the Catholiques yea the starkest Papist of all as these men terme them can be well contente yea with all their hartes to affirme that the Quenes Maiestie may enioye not onely this Realme but euen the whole Empire and wishe no lesse if it pleased God to her highnes and finde no fault but onely with that title that is not competent for her highnes and without the which shee may reigne as nobly as amply as honorably as euer did Prince in England or els where which neuer affected any such title these men who preteÌ„d to the world to professe a woÌ„derful sincere obseruatioÌ„ toward God and their Prince do not only spoile her of that title but of al her right and interest to England Fraunce Ireland or els where making her incapable of al manner ciuile regiment Which I trust the Quenes Maiestie ones wel considering wil graciously beare with the Catholiks that do not enuy her the one or the other title but only desire that their consciences may not be streyned for the one of them Whiche they vppon great grouÌ„ds and as they verely think without any impairinge of her worldlye estate can not by othe assuredlye avouche which thing thei truste they may doe without any iuste suspition of seditioÌ„ or rebellioÌ„ Wherewith M. Horne moste vniustly chargeth them the sayd note and blame most iustly for the causes by me rehersed redounding vpon his owne good brethern Which thing as he can not truely lay to any Catholike so of al men least to maister FekeÌ„ham Whereof I trust certayn right honorables as the Lorde Erle of Lecester the Lord Erle of Bedforde yea the Quenes Maiestye her selfe wil defende and purge him against M. Horns most false accusation Of whose doings in Quene Maries daies the said right honorables with the right honorable my Lord Erle of Warwyke can and wil I truste also reporte being then prisoners and he by the Quenes appointmente sente vnto them M. Secretary Cycil also caÌ„ testifie of his doings towching Sir Iohn Cheke knight whose life laÌ„ds and goods by his trauail and humble suyte were saued His hope is that the Quenes highnes his soueraygne good Lady wil thus much reporte of him how in the beginning of her highnes troble her highnes then being imprisoned in the courte at Westmynster and before her committy to the towre his good happe was to preache a sermon before Quene Mary and her honorable counsayle in the Courte where he moued her Highnes and them also to mercy and to haue coÌ„sideration of the Quenes highnes that now is then in trouble and newly entred in prison What displeasure he susteyned therefore I doe here omitte to expresse But this I certaynlye knowe that he hath reported and hath most humbâ—y thanked almighty God and her highnes that her highnes hadde the same in remembraunce at the firste and first and laste talke that euer he had with her in her palace at Westmyster not longe before her highnes Coronation I trust these are sufficient personnages for M. Fekenhams purgation and discharge against your false accusation Wel I beseache almighty God that Maister Fekenham may now at the lengthe after seuen yeares imprisonmente be made partaker of such deedes and doings as he then shewed vnto other men And now let vs procede on to the residewe of your booke The .5 Diuision M. Horne If I knevv you not right vvel I should maruail that you shame not to affirme saying I doe here presently therefore offer my selfe to receyue a corporal Othe and further I shal presently sweare c. Seing that you neuer made to me any motion of such an offer neither did I at anytime require you to take any Othe You thinke and are so persuaded in conscience if a man may trust you that the Quenes highnes is the only supreme gouernour of this Realm and of al her dominioÌ„s and countries and hath vnder God the soueraignty and rule ouer al manner of persones borne vvithin her dominions of vvhat estate either Ecclesiastical or Temporal so euer they be VVhereunto I adde this consequent vvhich doth necessarily follovv Ergo Your holy father the Pope is not as you think in your conscience the supreme gouernour ouer her highnes dominions nor hath the soueraignty or rule vnder God ouer any personnes borne vvithin the same The Quenes maiesty must needs herein take you but for a dissembling flatterer in that you
acknowledged the Popes Supreamacye as also the later acknowledging the same in the generall councell at Lions wherof we haue spoken and also afterward in the general CouÌ„cel at Ferraria and froÌ„ theÌ„ce traÌ„slated to FloreÌ„ce Where also the Armenians were ioyned with the Roman Church But not then first For three hundred yeres before that aboute .10 yeres before the deathe of Henry the first in S. Bernardes tyme the Armenians submitted them selues to Eugenius .3 sending their chief Metropolitane who had vnder him moe theÌ„ a thousand Bishops to the See of Rome who trauayling in iourney of a yere aÌ„d a halfe came to ViterbuÌ„ scarse ij dayes iourney from Rome where the Pope lay theÌ„ of whoÌ„ they were receyued aÌ„d instructed in al such thinges as they sought at his handes touching the order of the blessed sacrifice the obseruation of festiuall dayes and certayn other pointes wherin they varyed from the rest of Christendome of which errours they are of old writers much aÌ„d ofteÌ„ noted And this their submissioÌ„ to the Church of Rome fel before the tyme that M. Horne now talketh of affirming but falsly as his maner is that the people of Armenia acknowleged none but oÌ„ly their princes to be their supreme gournours Neither neded yow yet M. Horne to haue loked so far For if your enuious eie might haue abiddeÌ„ our own late time and the late councel of Trent ye should haue found that the Armenians sent ambassadours to the Pope recognising hys supreamacy and desiring the confirmation of they re patriarch of Antiochia Ye should haue founde that Abdisa the patriarche of the Assyrians inhabiting nygh to the famous floud of Tygris came to Rome with no small eyther trauell or daunger of hys life to be confirmed of Pius Quartus the last pope of blessed memorie who also promised as well for hym selfe as for those that were vnder his spiritual gouernemeÌ„t that he and they woulde faythfully and constantly keepe suche decrees as should be set forth by the saied Councell of Trent Perchaunce ye will the lesse passe for the Armenians seeyng you haue on your syde as ye saye about thys tyme the greate prince of the Aethiopians hauing no lesse then 62. Kingdomes vnder hys Dominion the same country beyng the most auncient part of Christendome Southwarde And because your selfe haue forsaken your priesthodde take heede I pray you that ye haue not withall forsaken your Christendome ye are not contented with the Italians and other that call hym Prieste Ihon as thoughe he were a prieste and head Bishoppe ouer those Christian realmes hauing suche a power wyth them as the popes vsurpation as ye terme yt hath challenged here in Europe to be an head or vniuersall priest or Kyng And ye would rather he should be called as Sabellicus telleth the mighty Gyan So called as ye by a mighty lying exposition of your own falsly declare because he is the supreme ruler and gouernour of all causes aswel ecclesiasticall as teÌ„poral But here first seing ye pretend your selfe to be so good an Antiquarie I would gladly knowe what monumentes ye haue of the Aethiopical religion about this time It had bene mete ye had laied foorth your Authour for your discharge Surely I beleue ye haue sene none at al of such antiquitie and I dare boldly auouch ye neither haue nor shal see any whereby ye may iustly gather that the AethiopiaÌ„s take their king for their Supreme head in all causes Ecclesiastical and Temporal We haue to the contrary the confession of the Bishop Raba Rago his kings Embassadour to the king of Portugale that he made .33 yeares now past saying that he doth acknowledge the bisshop of Rome as the chief bishop and pastour of Christes shepe We haue his confession wherein he declareth that the AethiopiaÌ„s eueÌ„ froÌ„ the begiÌ„ning of the Church did acknowlege the B. of Rome for the first aÌ„d chief Bisshop aÌ„d so at that day did obey him as Christes Vicar What speak I of his Orators coÌ„fession We haue the kings own coÌ„fessioÌ„ made to the Pope wherin he calleth hiÌ„ Caput oiÌ„uÌ„ PoÌ„tifiâ—uÌ„ the head of al bisshops he saith to the Pope AequuÌ„ est vt omnes obedientiaÌ„ tibi praestent sicuti sancti Apostoli praecipiuÌ„t It is mete that al men obey him euen as th'Apostles commaund He saith most humbly kneling on the ground that the Pope is his Father and he his sonne he saith again Your holines without al doubt is Gods Vicar And thinke ye now M. Horne that ye shal like a mighty Giant coÌ„quer al your Readers aÌ„d make them such boÌ„nd slaues to your ignoraÌ„ce and folly that because Sabellicus sayeth he is called Mightye Cyan therefore yee maye so mightely lye as to conclude thereby for that he hathe the collection of the Spiritual liuinges that he is therfore the supreame gouernour in all causes Not so M. Horn. But now shal your greate falshood be discouered and lying sprite be coniured For beholde euen immediatly after the words by you alleaged out of Sabellicus that al benefices and spiritual promotions are obtayned at the Kings hands it foloweth I say immediatly Quod Rom. Pontifex Regum Maiestati dederit The which thinge the Bisshop of Rome hath geuen to the Kings Maiesty Which woordes of your authour you haue most lewdely nipped quyte of Such à MacariaÌ„ you are and so lyke to M. Iewel your pewefellowe Neither doth he speake of any order of relligion about that age so many hundred yeres paste as ye pretende but of his and our late tyme. And so thus are you M. Horne after this your longe and fruitles iorney wherin as wayfaring men in longe iorneyes are wonte to doe ye haue gathered store of wonderfull lies to delight your hearers that haue not trauayled so far withal welcome home againe from Moscouia and Aethiopia into Englande M. Horne The .121 Diuision pag. 78. a. In England also King StephaÌ„ .426 reserued to him self the inuestitures of the Prelats as likevvise after him did Henry the secoÌ„d that made Thomas Becket Archbisshop of CaÌ„torbury who therat was sworn to the King and to his Lawes and to his Sonne In the ninth yeere of his reigne this king called a ParliameÌ„t at Northampton where he entended reformation of many priuileges that the Clergy had amongest these was one that although one of the Clergy had committed felonie murder or treason yet might not the King put him to death as he did the Laye men The which thing with many other the kinge thought to redresse in the said Parliament Thomas Becket resisted him but he might not preuayle againste the king 427 For wel neere al the Bisshops of Englande were against him In the .17 yere of his reigne the king made a iourney into Ireland where with great trauaile he subdued the Irishe and after with the helpe of the Primate of Armach he refourmed the maners of the people and dwellers in that countrey and
of Martian the Emperour for calling of the Chalcedon Councell nextly alleaged M. Horns purpose is no whit furdered but Pope Leo his primacy euidently proued By the Actes also of the sayd Councell the popes and the bishops Supreme Iurisdiction in al ecclesiastical matters to be treated examined iudged and defined throughe out the whole Councel appeareth and M. Hornes purpose remayneth vtterly vnproued I haue farder out of the sayd Chalcedon Councell being the fourthe Generall and so one of the foure allowed in our Countre by Acte of parliament in the reigne of the Queenes Mai. present gathered euident and sundry argumentes for proufe of the Popes and bishops Supremacy in causes ecclesiasticall And here I require M. Horne or any mans els whatsoeuer to shewe howe it is possible without manifeste contradiction to allowe the Authorytie of this fourthe Generall Councel and to bannishe the Popes Authorytie which this whole Councel agnised or to geue to the Prince Supreme Authorytie in al ecclesiastical causes the same by this Councel resting in the bishops only not in the Prince at all In hath consequently ben shewed against M. Horne that his exāples of Leo and Zeno Emperours haue proued nothing lesse then his imagined Supremacy His next examples of three popes Simplicius Felix .3 and Symachus haue al proued so manifest testimonies for their owne Supremacy euen out of the bookes and places by M. Horne alleaged that in this matter he semeth a plaine preuaricatour and one secretly defending the cause which he seemeth openly to impugne Nowe in Fraunce M. Horne your lucke hath bene no better then before in the East Church and in Italy it was Your arguments in this behalfe haue bene to to pelting and miserable But the bishops Iurisdiction in all those matters hath bene as euident Your story of Iustinus the elder nextly by you alleaged but confusedly and out of measure mangled being wholy layed forthe hath plainely proued the popes Supremacy and nothing at al the princes Iustinian your next exaample and largely by you prosecuted hath neuer a whit proued your matter but for the Popes absolute Supremacy hath diuerse waies pronounced not onelye in his behauyour in the fifte Generall Councell but in his Edictes and Constitutions which you for your selfe so thicke haue alleaged In that place also I haue noted by diuerse exāples what euil successe Churche matters haue had whē Princes most intermedled Ther also by the way a Councell in Fraunce by M. Horne alleaged hath openly pronounced for the popes vniuersall Supremacy Your last examples taken out of Spayne haue nothinge relieued your badde cause but haue geuen euidēt witnesse for the Bishops Supremacy in ecclesiastical causes And thus farre haue you waded in the first .600 yeres after Christe without any one prouf for your newe Laicall Supremacy But for the popes and Bishops Supremacy in matters of the Church the Cōtinual practise of that first age and that in al Countres hath clerely pronounced as hath bene at large shewed In the third book as the race your runne is the longer ād triple to that ye ranne in before so is our cause the strōger and yours the febler or rather the wretcheder that in the cōpasse of .900 yeres that of so many Emperors kings and princes of so many Coūcels both General and National of so diuerse parts of the Christened worlde al the East part Italy Fraunce Spayne Germany and our own Countre of Englād yea of the Moscouites Armeniās and Aethyopiās to of all these I say not one Prince Councel or Coūtre maketh for you and not one prince Councell or Countre maketh against vs but all haue agnised the popes primacy and not one in the worlde of so many hundred yeres haue agnised or so muche as hearde of muche lesse sworen vnto the Princes Supreme Gouuernement in all Ecclesiasticall causes Your first proufe belyeth flatly the See of Rome and proueth nothing by any doing of Phocas the Emperour the Supremacy that you woulde proue The Kinges of Spayne and the Toletane Councelles haue made nothinge for you but haue clerely confounded you not only in the principal matters in hande but also in diuers other matters by your lewde heresies denied Your patched proufes and swarming vntruthes in your next narratiō touching certain Popes of Rome and of the Churche of Rauēna haue discouered the miserable wekenesse of your badde cause and nothing relieued yowe the Popes Primacy by your owne examples notwithstanding established Your fonde surmise against the Decree of Constantin .5 Emperour for the prerogatiue of the See Apostolike as it nothing furdered your matter in hande yf it had not bene made so it shewed wel the misery of your cause that to make your paradoxe to beare some credit you were fayne to discredit al the Historiās and writers of that matter calling them Papistes the Popes Parasites and fayners of that which they wrote The practise of Ecclesiasticall gouernement vsed in the sixt general Councel next by you alleaged cōfirmeth both in word and dede the Popes Primacy and the Bisshops Supreme iurisdiction in matters Ecclesiasticall and geueth forth no maner inckling of your imagined Supremacy In which only matter beside twenty vntruthes by you vttered there about you are as much confounded as in any other Councell or Countre before notwithstanding your great obiection of Pope Honorius to the which I haue there sufficiently aunswered Your talke of the three Kings of Spayne next ensewing and of the three Toletane Councells kept in their reignes doth so litle disproue the Supreme iurisdiction of Bisshops in Ecclesiastical causes that it maketh them Supreme iudges euen in ciuil causes So wide you are euer from prouing your purpose The .7 General Councel by you shortly noted doth amply and abundantly confirme the Popes Primacy and nothing in the worlde helpeth your purpose Charles Martel ād Carolomanus his sonne exercised no whit of your imagined Supremacy but haue cōfessed both clerely the Popes Primacy by their doings euē in the matters by your self treated Your most ignorant and ridiculous exposition made of the keyes of S. Peters Confession sent to this Charles and your extreme fonde argument deducted thereof hath vtterly shamed you yf any shame be in you Your slaunderous reproches against S. Augustine our Apostle and S. Boniface the Apostle of Germany and holye Martyr haue redounded to your owne shame and follye your cause thereby nothing in the worlde furdered No yf yt had bene all true which you hadde reported of them Charlemayne for all his callinge of Councelles confirmynge of the same and publishinge of Churche Lawes practised not yet anye like Gouuernement in Ecclesiasticall causes as you haue defended no nor anye Gouuernement at all but was lead and gouerned him selfe in all suche thinges of the Fathers and Bisshoppes then liuing especiallye of the See of Rome The whole Order also of the Councelles by you alleaged
and alone defende this most Barbarous Paradoxe of Princes supreme gouernement in al Ecclesiasticall causes all as you say without exception Sirs If you lyst so to stand alone against all and by Othe to hale men to your singular Paradoxe not only to say with you but also to swere that they think so in conscience gette you also a Heauen alone get you a God alone get you a Paradise alone Vndoubtedly and as verely as God is God seing in the eternal blisse of all other felicities peace ād loue must nedes be one either you in this world must drawe to a peace and loue with al other Christians or you must not looke to haue part of that blisse with other Christiās except you alone think you may exclude al other and that all the worlde is blinde you onelye seing the light and that all shall goe to hell you only to heauen O M. Horne These absurdites be to grosse and palpable If any Christianity be in men yea in your selfe you and thei must nedes see it If you see it shut not your eies against it Be not like the stone harted Iewes that seing would not see and hearing would not heare the Sauiour and light of the worlde To conclude Mark and beare away these .ij. points only First that in this so weighty a matter to the which only of al matters in controuersy men are forced to sweare by booke othe you are contrary not only to al the Catholike Churche but also euē to al maner of protestants whatsoeuer be they Caluinistes Zelous Lutherās or Ciuil Lutheranes and therefore you defende herein a proper and singular heresy of your owne Next consider and thinke vpon it wel M. Horne that before the dayes of Kinge Hēry the .8 there was neuer King or Prince whatsoeuer not only in our own Countre of England but also in no other place or countre of the world that at any tyme either practised the gouernement or vsed such a Title or required of his subiects such an Othe as you defende And is it not great maruail that in the course of so many hundred yeres sence that Princes haue ben christened and in the compasse of so many Countres lands and dominions no one Emperour Kinge or Prince can be shewed to haue vsed or practised the like gouernement by you so forceably maintayned Yea to touche you nerer is it not a great wonder that wheras a long tyme before the daies of King Henry the .8 there was a statute made called Praerogatiuae Regis contayning the prerogatiues priuileges and preeminences due to the Kings Royall person and to the Crowne of the Realm that I say in that statute so especially and distinctly comprising them no maner worde should appeare of his supreme Gouernement in all Ecclesiasticall causes which you M. Horn do auouche to be a principal part of the Princes Royall power If it be as you say a principal part of the Princes Royal power how chaūceth it that so principal a part was not so much as touched in so special a statut of the Prīces prerogatiues and preeminēces Shal we think for your sake that the whole Realm was at that tyme so iniurious to the King ād the Crown as to defraude ād spoyle the Prince of the principal part of his Royal power Or that the King himself that then was of so smal courage that he would dissemble and winke thereat or last of al that none of all the posterity sence would ones in so long a time cōplaine therof Againe at what time King Hēry the .8 had by Acte of parliament this Title of Supreme head of the Church graūted vnto him howe chaunceth it that none then in al the Realme was found to challenge by the saied Statut of Praerogatiuae Regis this principal part as you cal it of the Princes royal power or at the lest if no plain challēge could be made thereof to make yet some propable deductiō of some parcel or braunche of the said Statut that to the King of olde time such right appertayned Or if it neuer before appertayned how can it be a principal part of the Princes Royal power What wāted al other Princes before our dayes the principal part of their royal power And was there no absolut Prince in the Realm of Englād before the daies of King Henry the .8 We wil not M. Horne be so iniurious to the Noble Progenitours of the Quenes Maie as to say or think they were not absolut and most Royal Princes They were so and by their Noble Actes as wel abrode as at home shewed thē selues to be so They wāted no part of their Royal power and yet this Title or prerogatiue they neuer had This hath ben your own deuise And why Forsothe to erect your new Religiō by Authority of the Prince which you knewe by the Churches Authority could neuer haue ben erected And so to prouide for one particular case you haue made it M. Horn a general rule that al Princes ought and must be Supreme gouernours in al ecclesiastical causes Which if it be so then why is not Kinge Philip here and King Charles in Fraunce such Supreme Gouernours Or if they be with what conscience doe your bretherne the Guets here ād the Huguenots there disobey their Supreme Gouuernours yea and take armes against their Princes Religion What Be you protestants brethern in Christ and yet in Religion be you not bretherne Or if you be bretherne in religiō also how doth one brother make his Prince supreme Gouernour in al Ecclesiastical causes without any exceptiō or qualificatiō of the Princes person and the other brother deny his Prince to be such Supreme gouernour yea ād by armes goeth about to exterminat his Princes lawes in matters ecclesiastical Solute al those doubtes and auoid al these absurdities M. Horn and then require vs to geue eare to your booke and to sweare to your Othe The .174 Diuision fol. 121. a. M. Fekenham Hosius Episcopus Cordubensis qui Synodo Nicenae primae interfuit sic habet sicut testatur D. Athanasius aduersus Constantium Imp. Si istud est iudicium Episcoporum quid commune cum eo habet Imperator Sin contrà ista minis Caesaris conflantur quid opus est hominibus titulo Episcopis Quando à condito aeuo auditum quando iudicium Ecclesiae authoritatem suam ab Imperatore accepit aut quando vnquam pro iudicio agnitum Plurimae antehac Synodi fuerunt multa iudicia Ecclesiae habita sunt Sed neque patres istiusmodi res principi persuadere conati sunt nec princeps se in rebus Ecclesiasticis curiosum praebuit nunc autem nouum quoddam spectaculum ab Ariana heresi editur Conuenerunt enim Haeretici Constantius Imperator vt ille quidem sub praetextu Episcoporum sua potestate aduersus eos quos vult vtatur M. Horne As it is very true that Hosius Bisshoppe of Corduba in Spaine vvas in the
th'Apostles both S. Peter aÌ„d S. Paul so earnestly taught at that time obedieÌ„ce to PriÌ„ces This was the cause In the beginniÌ„g of the church som ChristiaÌ„s were of this opinioÌ„ that for that they were ChristeÌ„ meÌ„ they were exeÌ„pted from the lawes of the Infidel Princes and were not bound to pay theÌ„ any tribut or otherwise to obey theÌ„ To represse and reforme this wroÌ„g iudgmeÌ„t of theirs the Apostles Peter and Paule by you named diligeÌ„tly employed theÌ„ selues Whose sayings can not imply your pretensed gouernmeÌ„t onlesse yow wil say that Nero the wycked and heathennish Emperour was in his tyme the supreme head of al the church of Christ throughout the empire aswel in causes spiritual as teÌ„poral And yet in teÌ„poral and ciuil matters I graunt you we ought to be subiect not only to ChristiaÌ„s but eueÌ„ to infidels also being our princes without any exceptioÌ„ of Apostle euangeliste prophet priest or monk as ye alleage out of S. ChrysostoÌ„ As contrary wise the Christian prince him self is for ecclesiastical and spiritual causes subiect to his spiritual ruler Which Chrysostom hiÌ„self of al meÌ„ doth best declare Alij sunt termini c. The bounds of a kingdome and of priesthood saith ChrysostoÌ„ are not al one This kingdom passeth the other This king is not knoweÌ„ by visible things neither hath his estimatioÌ„ either for precious stones he glistereth withal or for his gay goldeÌ„ glistering apparel The other king hath the ordering of those worldly things the authority of priesthod cometh froÌ„ heaueÌ„ what so euer thou shalt bind vpoÌ„ earth shal be bound in heaueÌ„ To the king those things that are here in the worlde are coÌ„mitted but to me celestial things are coÌ„mitted wheÌ„ I say to me I vnderstaÌ„de to a priest And anon after he saith Regi corpora c. The bodies are coÌ„mitted to the King the sowles to the Priest the King pardoneth the faults of the body the priest pardoneth the faultes of the sowle The Kinge forcethe the priest exhorteth the one by necessity the other by giuing counsel the one hath visible armour the other spiritual He warreth against the barbarous I war against the Deuil This principality is the greater And therfore the King doth put his head vnder the priestes hands and euery where in the old scripture priestes did anoynt the Kings Among al other bokes of the said Chrysostom his book de Sacerdotio is freighted with a noÌ„ber of lyke and more notable senteÌ„ces for the priests superiority aboue the Prince Now theÌ„ M. Horn I frame you such an argumeÌ„t The Priest is the PriÌ„ces superiour in some causes ecclesiastical Ergo the PriÌ„ce is not the Priests superiour in al causes ecclesiastical The AntecedeÌ„t is clerly ê“ued out of the words of Chrysost. before alleged Thus. The Priest is superiour to the priÌ„ce in remissioÌ„ of syns by ChrysostoÌ„ but remissioÌ„ of sins is a cause ecclesiastical or spiritual Ergo the Priest is the PriÌ„ces superiour in some cause ecclesiastical or spiritual Which beiÌ„g most true what thiÌ„g caÌ„ you coÌ„clud of al ye haue or shal say to win your purpose or that ye here presently say that the Prince hath the care aswell of the first as of the seconde table of the commaundements and that S. Paule willethe vs to pray for the Princes that we may lyue a peaceable life in godlines aÌ„d honesty In the which place he speaketh of the heathennishe princes as appereth by that which foloweth to pray for them that they may be coÌ„uerted to the faith Or of al ye bring in out of S. Augustin either against the Donatists whereof we haue alredy said inough or that Princes must make their power a seruaÌ„te to Gods Maiesty to enlarge his worship seruice and religion Nowe as all this frameth full yllfauoredly to conclude your principle so I say that if S. Augustine were aliue he might truely and would say vnto you as he sayd vnto Gaudentius and as your self alleage against your selfe and your bretherne That thing that ye doe is not only not good but it is a great euil to witte to cutte in sonder the vnity and peace of Christ to rebell against the promises of the ghospell or to beare the ChristiaÌ„ armes or badges as in a ciuil warre against the true and the high King of the Christians he would say yf he were aliue vnto you that as the Donatistes did not deny Christ the head but Christ the body that is his Catholike Churche so doe you He would say that as the Donatistes secte was condemned by Constantin Honorius and other Emperours the high Kings of the Christians so are your heresies condemned not only by the Catholik Church but also by the worthy and moste renowned King Henry the fifte and other Kings as wel in England as else where also by the high Kings of the ChristiaÌ„s that is themperours as well of our tyme as many hundred yeares since And therefore ye are they that cutte in sonder the vnity aÌ„d peace of Christes Church and rebell against the promises of the Gospel M. Horne The 22. Diuision Pag. 17. a. Chrysostom shevveth this reason vvhy S. Paule doth attribute this title of a minister vvorthely vnto the Kings or ciuil Magistrates because that through fraying of the wicked men and commending the good he prepareth the mindes of many to be made more appliable to the doctrine of the word Eusebius alluding to the sentence of S. Paule vvhere he calleth the ciuill Magistrate Goddes minister and vnderstanding that Ministery of the ciuiâ— Magistrate to be about Religion and Ecclesiastical causes so .61 vvell as Temporal doth cal Constantine the Emperour The great light and most shril preacher or setter foorth of true godlines The one and only God saieth he hath appointed Constantine to be his minister and the teacher of Godlines to al countreis And this same CoÌ„stantin like a faithful and good minister did throughly set foorth this and he did confesse him self manifestly to be the seruaunt and minister of the high King He preached with his imperial decrees or proclamations his God euen to the boundes of the whole worlde Yea Constantine himselfe affirmeth as Eusebius reporteth That by his ministery he did put away and ouerthrowe al the euilles that pressed the worlde meaniÌ„g al superstition Idolatry and false Religion In so much saith this Godly Emperour that there withal I both called again mankiÌ„de taught by my ministery to the Religion of the most holy Law meaning the vvorde of God and also caused that the most blessed faith should encrease and growe vnder a better gouernour meaning than had beene before for saith he I would not be vnthankeful to neglect namely the best ministery which is the thankes I owe vnto God of duety This most Christian Emperour did rightly consider as he had bene truelye taught of the most Christian Bisshops of that tyme that as the Princes haue in charge the ministery and
sleight and diuers other before noted he hath so maimed and mangled the wordes of King Richaredus wherein the whole pithe of this Diuision resteth to make some apparence of his pretensed Primacie that it would lothe a man to see it and weary a man to expresse it Namely in the text where his Note standeth of a Princes speciall care for his subiectes The whole woordes of the King are these The care of a King ought so farre to be extended and directed vntill it be found to receiue the full measure of age and knowledge For as in worldly things the Kings power passeth in glorie so oughte his care to be the greater for the welth of his subiectes But now moste holy Priestes we bestow not onely our diligence in those matters whereby oure subiectes may be gouerned and liue most peaceablye but also by the helpe of Christe we extend our selues to thinke of heauenly matters and we labour to knowe how to make our people faithfull And verely if we ought to bend all our power to order mens maners and with Princely power to represse the insolency of the euill if we ought to geue all ayde for the encrease of peace and quiet muche more we ought to study to desire and thinke vppon godly things to looke after high matters and to shew to our people being now brought from errour the trueth of cleare light For so he dothe whiche trusteth to be rewarded of God with aboundant reward For so he dothe which aboue that is cōmitted vnto him doth adde more seing to such it is said what so euer thou spendest more I when I come againe will recompence thee This is the whole and ful talke of Richaredus the king to the Councel touching his duetyfull care aboute religion Compare this gentle Reader with the broken and mangled narratiō of M. horne and thou shalt see to the eye his lewde pelting and pelting lewdnesse Thou shalt see that the king protested his care in gods matters to be not his dew charge and vocatiō as a king but an additiō aboue that which was commytted wnto him and to be a work of supererogatiō and that he extēded him selfe of zeale aboue that which his duety ād office required Al which M. Horn left out bycause he knewe it did quite ouerthrowe his purpose He saieth againe of kyng Richaredus that he decreed in the Councel of his owne Authority commaundyng the bisshops to see it obserued which wordes also he hath caused to be printed in a distinct lettre as the wordes of his Author alleaged But they are his owne wordes and do proceede of his owne Authority not to be found in the whole processe of the Kings Oration to the Councell or in the Coūcel it selfe But contrariwise the Councell expressely saith of this Decree Consultu pijssimi gloriosissimi Richaredi Regis constituit Synodus The Synode hath appointed or decreed by the aduise of the most godly and gloriouse King Richaredus The Synode M. Horne made that Decree by the aduise of the King The king made it not by his own authority commaunding c. as you very Imperiously do talke Againe where you saie that S. Gregory did much commend the carefull gouernement of Princes in causes of Religion S. Gregory speaketh not of any suche gouernement at all It is an other of your Vntruthes Last of all where Saint Gregorie sayeth of humilitie as we haue before declared to the king Et si vobiscum nihil egimus Although we haue done nothing with you You to amplifie the matter enlardge your translation with a very lying liberalitie thus Although I haue medled and don nothing at all with you doing this altogether without mee For these wordes medle at all and dooing this altogeather without me is altogeather without and beyond your Latine of Saint Gregorie Whome you ouerreache exceeding much Making him not so muche as to meddle with the Kings doings and that the king did altogeather without him Which yet if Nauclerus your common alleaged Author be true of his woorde did verye muche with the King and furdered many wayes the conuerting of the Arrians in Spaine to the Catholique faith But so it is As in al your proufes you ouerreach mightely the force of your examples cōcluding Supreme gouernmente in all causes when the Argumente procedeth of no gouernemente at all but of execution and so foorth euen so in your translations wherein yet you looke singularlye to be credited scarse ones in tenne leaues bringing one sentence of Latine you ouer reache marueilouslye your originall Authorities Suche is your vntrue and false dealing not onely here but in a manner throughout your whole booke And nowe to ende this Seconde booke with a flourishe of Maister Iewels Rhetorique to sweete your mouth at the ende Maister Horne that so with the more courage we may proceede after a pause vppon this to the Thirde and Fourthe let me spurre you a question What M. Horne Is it not possible your doctrine may stande without lyes So many Vntruthes in so litle roome without the shame of the worlde without the feare of God Where did Christe euer commaunde you to make your Prince the supreme gouernour in all causes By what Commission by what woordes Or if Christ did not who euer els cōmaunded you so to do What lawe What Decree what Decretall what Legantine what Prouinciall But what a wonderfull case is this The Supreame gouernemente of Princes in al causes Ecclesiastical that we must nedes swere vnto by booke othe yea and that we must nedes belieue in conscience to be so auncient so vniuersal so Catholique so cleere so gloriouse can not now be founde neither in the olde Law nor in the new nor by anye one example of the first 600. yeares THE THIRDE BOOKE DISPROVING THE PRETENSED PRACTISE OF Ecclesiastical gouernmēt in Emperors and Kings as wel of our own Countre of Englande as of Fraunce and Spayne in these later .900 yeres from the tyme of Phocas to Maximilian next predecessour to Charles the V. of famous memory M. Horne The .79 Diuision Fol. 47. b. Next after Sabinianus an obscure Pope enemy and successour to this Gregory succeded Bonifacius 3. VVho although he durst not in playne dealing denie or take from the Emperours the authoritie and iurisdiction in the Popes election and other Churche matters yet he vvas the first that .228 opened the gappe thereunto for as Sabel testifieth vvith vvhom agree all other vvriters for the moste parte This Bonifacius immediatly vpon the entraunce into his Papacy dealte with Phocas to winne that the Church of Rome might .229 be head of all other Churches the which he hardely obteined bicause the Grecians did chalenge that prerogatiue for Constantinople After he had obteyned this glorious and ambitious title of the bloudy tyrant Phocas and that vvith .230 no smal bribes like vnto one that hauing a beame in his ovvn eie vvent about to pul the mote out of
to the Kinges .413 iudgement and Thomas by the Kinges commaundement was faine to come to Lanfrank to be sacred And aftervvard vvhen there grevve greater contention betvvixt these tvvayne about Churche matters the Bisshop of Rome remitted the matter to be determined before the Kinge and the Bisshops of Englande and so at VVindesour before Kinge VVilliam and the Cleargy the cause was treated Also an other cause vvas moued before the King of the misorder of Thurstan whome the King had made Abbot of Glastonbury by whose iudgement the Abbot was chaunged and tourned to his owne Abbay in Normandye but the Monkes .414 scattered aboute by the Kings hest After this the King bestowed many Bisshoprikes on his Chaplaines as London Norvviche Chester Couentry c. And ruled both temporalty and the spiritualty at his owne wil saithe Polychronicon He tooke noman fro the Pope in his lād he meaneth that the Kinge vvoulde suffer no Legate to enter into the lande from the Pope but he came and pleased him he suffred no Coūcel made in his own coūtrey without his own leaue Also he woulde nothing suffer in such a councel but as he woulde assent So .415 that in geuing or translating of spiritual promocions in geuing his assent to Councels and suffring nothing to passe vvithout his consent in hearing and determining Ecclesiasticall causes in restreining the Popes liberty vvithout his speciall licence and in ruling the spiritualty at his ovvn vvil King VVilliā shevveth plain that he .416 tooke him self for the supreame gouernour vvithin this Realm in al maner of causes so vvel Ecclesiastical as Temporall The .19 Chapter Of England before the Conqueste Of William the Conquerour Rufus his Sonne and Henry the first Kinges of Englande Stapleton GOod readers I do most hartely beseche you euen as ye tender either the truth or the saluation of your sowles to haue a good and a speciall regarde to M. Hornes narration nowe following For now at the length is M. Horn come frō his long and vnfruitfull wandering in Spaine Fraunce Italie Germany and other countries to our own natiue contrey Now where as the late doings in our Countre are suche as we haue sequestred our selues frō the common and vsuall obedience that all other contries concerning authority in matters ecclesiasticall euer gaue with a singular and peerlesse preeminence to the see of Rome and do yet sequester the more pittie our selues daylie more and more makinge none accompte of other good princes doings and presidents in this behalf and pretending partly in the acts of parliament partly in the newe englishe bokes and daylie sermons that this is no newe or straunge example in England to exclude the Pope from all maner spiritual iurisdiction to be exercised and practised there by hym yt behoued our protestants especiallie M. Horne in thys his boke that what so euer his proufes were for other countries yet for some conuenient prouf of the olde practise concerning his newe primacie in Englande to haue wrowght his matters so substancially that at least wise for our owne Countre he shulde haue browght forth good aūcient and autentique matter And wil ye nowe see the wise and euen dealinge of these protestant prelats Where they pynne vp all our proufes wythin vj. hundred yeares after Christ and what so euer we bring after theyr Iewell telleth vs ful merelie we come to late M. Horne in this matter of Supreamacie most weightie to the poore catholiks the deniyng thereof being more greauously punished by lawes then anie other matter nowe lying in controuersie betwene the catholyks and protestantes in Englande M. Horne I say for thys his owne country which as approued Chroniclers reporte and as him self after alleageth did first of al the Romā prouinces publiquely embrace Christes relligion for one thousand yeares standeth mute And belike thinking that William Conquerour had conquered aswell all the olde catholyke fayth in Englande as the Lande and people fansieth a duble conqueste one vppon the goods and bodies the other vppon the sowles and faythe of the Englishe men But what shall I nowe say to this noble and worthie Champion shall I dryue hym a litle backe with M. Iewels peremptory challenge and tel him that he commeth to late by almoste fyue hundred yeares Or shall I deale more freely and liberally with him then M. Iewell doth whith vs and bydde hym take the beste helpe he can for hym self Verely M. Horne had nede I did so And yet all will be to lytle for his purpose aswell for that after the conquest he hath no sufficient prouf for his pretensed supremacy as for that what prouf so euer he bringeth yt must yelde and geue place to the first thousand yeares whiche beare ful testimonie for the Popes primacie laufully practised in our realme before the conquest It were now a matter for to fyll a large volume withal to runne a longe by these thowsand yeares and to shewe what prouf we haue for the popes primacy before the conquest My answere woulde waxe to bigge and to prolixe yf I shoulde so doe But I will onelie putte the good reader in remembraunce of a matter or two I muste therefore pluck M. Horne backe from Williams conquest and desire him to remember an other and a better and more aunciente conqueste with al in Britannie then Williams was yea aboute ix hundred yeares before when this Ilelande of Britanie was firste delyuered from the tyrannicall yoke and miserable bondage of dyuelish idolatrie But by whom M. Horne Suerlie by pope Eleutherius to whome kinge Lucius sente letters desiringe hym that by his commaundement he mighte be christened Fugatius and Damià nus whose holy reliques are thought to be now in Wales and whose holy remembraunce churches there dedicated to God in their name doe to this day kepe and preserue as it were fresh and immortall sent to England by the sayed Eleutherius did most godly and wonderfully worke thys great conqueste If I should nowe aske M. Horne what Lucius meant to send so farre for instructours and teachers of the Christian fayth namely Fraunce beyng at hande where about thys tyme the Christian Churches were adorned wyth many learned Bishoppes and Martyrs though he woulde perchaunce seeke manie a pretye shyfte to shyfte awaye thys demaunde yet should he neuer make any good and sufficiente aunsweare vntyll he confessed the Popes primacye to be the verie cause to send so farre of The which the blessed Martyr of God and great learned Bishoppe of Lyons in Fraunce Ireneus writyng in the tyme of our firste Apostle Eleutherius doth confesse writyng That all Churches muste agree wyth the Churche of Rome for that the sayed Churche hath the greater principalitie and for that the traditions of the Apostles haue euer bene kept there In case nowe the pope had nothing to doe in matters ecclesiasticall within this Ileland in the tyme of the olde Britaines why did pope Celestinus appoint
to the Scottes theyr firste Bishop Palladius as Prosper writeth a notable Chronicler of that age Why dyd he also send into thys Ileland S. Germaine Bishoppe of Antisiodorum to bryng by the Apostolicall Authoritie the Britaynes from the heresye of the Pelagians as the sayed Prosper witnesseth Lett vs nowe come to the tyme of the Saxons conuerted by S. Augustine And then shall we fynd so manie and so full testimonies both of the popes primacie and of the princes subiection as I trowe M. Horne him selfe as impudent as he is can not nor will not denie them Which I do ouerpasse by reason they are readely to be foūd in our worthy coūtriemā S. Bede lately set forth by me in the English tongue and in the Fortresse also adioyned to the same storie I will nowe adde this only that from the time wherin Beda endeth his storie to the conquest of the foresaied William there appeareth in our domesticall stories a perpetuall and continuall practise of the saied primacie in this realme by the popes as well in those bookes as be extant in printe as in other As in Asserius Meneuens that continueth the storie from the death of Bede to the yeare of our Lorde 914. in Henricus Huntingtoniensis Gulielmus Malmesburiensis Alphredus Beuerlacensis Rogerus Houedenus Florilegiū siue Mattheus Westmonasteriensis Chronica Iohānis Londoniensis and many other yet not printed that I haue not sene and which are hard to be sene by reason of the greate spoyle of such kind of bookes of late made in the suppressing of monasteries and colleges The which suppression and it were for nothing else but for the losse of so many worthy Chroniclers can not be to much lamented the losse being incomparably greater then the losse of any princes treasure The case is nowe to be pityed for that the verie Librarie of the Vniuersitie of Oxforde hath felt the rage of this spiteful spoile not so much as one booke at this howre there remaining This is one of the worthy fruits of your new ghospel M. Horne As appereth also by the late vprores in these low Coūtries wher by the Gueses not onely the Monasteries but the Libraries also namelye of the grey friers in Antwerpe be most shamefully defaced the bookes burnt to ashes and the olde monuments destroyed The naming of Oxforde bringeth to my remembrance the noble and worthy foūder of the vniuersity there I meane Kinge Alurede In whose tyme there was at Rome a special schole or colledge for English mē priuileged ād exēpted frō al taxe ād tollages by pope Martin the .2 at the desire of this King Who sent to him for a gift a peece of the holy crosse This King beīg learned hīself loued entierly learned mē especially Ioānes Scotus that trāslated out of the Greeke tōg the works of Dionysius Areopagita whoō he vsed moste familiarly This Alurede being but yet yong was sent by the Kinge Edeluulphus his father to Rome accompanied with many noble men where pope Leo the .4 did confirme him and toke him as his sonne by adoption and did also annoynte and consecrate him King of Englande The manifolde practise of the said primacy continued from this Kings tyme euen to the tyme and in the tyme of blessed S. Edward the immediate predecessour of William sauing Harolde who reigned not one full yeare In the twenty yeare of the said King Edwarde the blessed man Wulstanus that was before a monk and prior there was consecrated bisshop of Worceter A man of suche notable vertue and such austerity of lyfe as he resembled the olde vertuouse and renowned religiouse men As one that among all other his notable qualities continued so in praying studiyng and fasting that somtymes in foure dayes and foure nights he neuer slepte and that litle reste which he toke was vpon a foorme in the Churche vsing none other bolsterre but his booke wherin he prayed or studied This man I saye was made bisshop and confirmed by the popes Legats being then in the realm before the Cōqueste Our authour doth not write this of vncertain heresay but of certain knowledge as a mā of that age and one that as it semeth had sene this blessed man ād talked with him To discourse vpon other particularities as vpon the continual appeale to Rome vpon willes charteres and such other writings sent from Rome to auoide tediousnes I doe purposely forbeare But I will nowe notifie to the good reader two thīgs only First that from the tyme of the good Kinge Offa in the yere of our Lord .760 who gaue after the example of Inas not long before him to the Pope as to the Vicare of S. Peter the Peter pence euen to the cōquest the payment of the said Peter pence hath continued and they were frō tyme to tyme leuied the Kings taking good diligent order for the sure paymente of the same Secondly that from the tyme of S. Augustine the first Archebisshop among the Saxons both he and al other Archebishops euen to the conquest receaued their palle from Rome an infallible token of their subiectiō to the Pope as Peters successour vpon whose holy tombe the palle is first layed ād after taken of and sente to the Archebisshop As these two tokens of subiection cōtinued frō tyme to time to the conqueste so they continewed also without any interruption onlesse it were verie seldome and for a litle space by reason of some priuate controuersie betwixte the Pope and the Kinge euen from thence to our freshe memorie beside many notable things otherwise in this realme since the conquest continually practised that serue for the declaration and confirmation of the said primacy Perchaunce M. Horne wil say to me Sir though I specifie nothing before the conquest to iustifie the princes supremacy yet in the margent of my booke I doe remitte the reader to a booke made in King Henry the .8 days Wherein he may see what doinges the Kings of England had in this realme before the conquest for matters Ecclesiastical A prety and a clerklie remission in dede to sende your reader for one thowsande of yeares together in the which ye shoulde haue laide out before hī your best and principal proufs to seke out a book he wotteth not where and which whē it is at lēgth foūd shal proue your matter no more substātially then ye haue done hitherto your selfe And therefore because ye worke by signes and profers only and marginal notes I wil remitte both you and my reader to a marginal note also for your and his ful aunswere Nowe then lette vs goe forwarde in Gods name and see whether Kinge William conquered bothe the lande and the Catholike faithe all at ones Lette vs consider yf this Kinge and the realme did not then acknowledge the Popes Supremacy as much and as reuerently as any Christian prince doth now liuīg I say nothing of the othe he toke the day of his coronation
come as Barons so for matters ecclesiasticall he appointeth specialle the conuocation Truthe yt is that before the conqueste and in William Conquerours tyme to as appeareth by old recordes writen as it semeth abowt the coÌ„quest the proctours of the clergye sate in the Lower howse And the sayde recordes do shewe that the Parliament properly standeth and consisteth in .3 degrees that is of the proctours of the clergye of the knightes of the sheere and of the Burgeses and Citizens For they represent the people and comminaltie of the realme As for the noble men bishoppes and othâ—r be there for their owne persons and not for other yf we shal beleue the said auncient records Nowe though these many yeres for matters politike the coÌ„uocation haue had nothing to doe yet as ofâ— as any paiemeÌ„t is to be made it taketh no place by vertue of ParliameÌ„t against the Clergy onles the Clergie do coÌ„sent Yf this be true in mony maters and if in auÌ„cieÌ„t time the Clergy had to do in ciuil maters also the which prerogatiue belik they left voluÌ„tarely that they might the better attend their owne spirituall vocatioÌ„ what an accoÌ„pt ought of all good reason to be made of the late parliament wherein mere Laie men haue turned vpsidowne the state of the Catholique faythe againste the full mindes of the Clergie I leaue it to euery wiseman well to consider But as I beganne to saye If Polidore meaneth not the Parliamente to be a Councell of Spirituall matters to what purpose or with what great wisedome haue ye alleaged him or that he calleth the making of Bisshops aÌ„d Abbats holy rites lawes of religioÌ„ and church ceremonies seing that the King gaue ouer the electing of bishoppes and seing that your Authour doth shew that Anselme rebuked the King therefore Nowe to those matters of Englande M. Horne addeth a greate Vntruthe of the Kyng of Hungarie tellyng vs out of Martinus that the Kynge of Hungarie vntill this time which is the yeare of grace 1110. and from thence euen til our daies maketh aÌ„d inuestureth according to his pleasure bisshops c. Thys I say is a great and flat vntruth For Martinus here saieth plainly the coÌ„trary thus At this time the King of HuÌ„gary saieth Martinus writing many aduertisements to the Pope by his letters gaue ouer the inuesturing of Bishops and of other prelats which vntil that time the kinges of Hungary were wonte to make These are the true wordes of Martinus in this place Now what passing impudency is this of M Hornes That which his Author telleth for the Popes primacy this man wresteth it to the Princes And therefore whereas Martinus telleth only that vntill that time kinges of Hungary inuested the Bishops and addeth farder that at the same time the kinge of Hungary gaue ouer the same into the Popes handes M. Horne bothe lewdely concealeth that and also of his owne most impudentlye and shamelessely addeth and from thence euen til our dayes which Martinus not only auoucheth not but telleth also plainely the contrarye to witte that at that time the king gaue ouer al such matters Farder to make the matter souÌ„d more princely you make Martinus say that the kinge of Hungary inuested Bishops according to his pleasure Which wordes according to his pleasure are not in Martinus at al but it is a poynt of your descant vpoÌ„ his playne and a fitte of your owne voluÌ„tary at your pleasure In dede this souÌ„ded pleasauntly in M. Hornes eares that by this exaÌ„mple he might also goe for a Bishop made at the Princes pleasure and to be remoued againe at her highnes pleasure But you hearde before by the forme of Paschalis his graunte made to Henry the .4 that though the Prince haue the inuesturing and confirming of Bishoppes graunted him yet it was neuer so grauÌ„ted to Princes that their oÌ„ly pleasure suffised to make a man a true Bishop For first whom the Prince inuested and confirmed he shoulde be liberè praeter violentiam simoniam electus chosen freely without violence or simony on the Princes part Which great faultes both the Emperours of Germanie and the kinges of oure land such as had the inuesturing of Bishops in their owne handes namely Henrie the .4 Emperoure and William Rufus of England most grieuouslie and daily committed Secondarelye though he were inuested and confirmed of the Prince yet post inuestituram Canonicè Consecrationem accipiant ab episcopo ad quem pertinuerint after the inuesturing let them saith Paschalis be consecrated of the Bisshop to whom they belong So likewise Leo .8 in his grauÌ„t made to Otho the .1 geuing to the Emperour the inuesturing of Bishops addeth Et consecrationem vnde debent and to be consecrated where they ought to be Which words vnde debent where they ought you for the nonse lefte out in your alleaging of this graunt made to Otho to th entent that your inuesturing of the Prince being without any coÌ„secration at al of your Metropolitane him self poore man being no Bishop neither might seme to be good and sufficient and to haue example of antiquitie For that purpose also ye make Martinus here to say that the king of Hungarie made Bishops according to his pleasure But you see nowe it is not the Princes only pleasure that maketh a Bisshop but there must be both free election without eyther forcing the Clergy to a choise or forcing the chosen to filthie bribery and also there must follow a due consecratioÌ„ which in you and al your fellowes doe lacke And therefore are in deede by the waye to conclude it no true Bisshoppes neither by the lawe of the Churche as you see neyther yet by the lawes of the Realme for wante of due Consecration expressely required by an Act of ParliameÌ„t renewed in this Queenes dayes in Suffragane Bisshoppes much more in you M. Horne The .120 Diuision pag. 74. b. And heâ—e sithen I am entred into the noting of the practises of other CouÌ„tries in this behalfe I might not onely note the doings about .421 this time of Frederike King of Cicill and Iames the King of Spaine his brother in reformation of Relligion in their dominions as appeareth in their Epistles vvriteÌ„ by Arnoldus de noua Villa but also make a digressioÌ„ to the state of other parts in ChristeÌ„doÌ„ as of the churches of Grece of Armenia of Moscouia c. that acknovvledged not any but .422 only their Princes to be their supreme gouernours in al things next to Christ as especially also to note that most auncient part of ChristeÌ„dom southvvard in Aethiopia conteining .62 kingdomes vnder the ruling of him vvhoÌ„ vve misname Presbyter Ioannes as vvho say he vver a Priest and head Bisshop ouer those christian Realmes hauing such a povver vvith them as the Popes 423 vsurpatioÌ„ hath chaleÌ„ged here in Europe to be an head or vniuersal Priest aÌ„d king If vve may beleue Sabellicus vvho saith that
he hath both often talked vvith the MarchauÌ„ts that haue their trafique there and hath also dÃuers times enquired the matter by an interpretour of the inhabitaunts there borne they al say that his name is neyther Presbiter Ioannes nor Pretto Ianes but say they his name is Gyan that is mightie and they maruaile greatly what the Italians meane to call him by the name of Priesthode But this they say that al the suites or requestes euen of their greate Bishoppes are brought before the king him self and that all their benefices or Spiritual promotions be opteined at his handes .424 So that there beynge as Sabellicus telleth further an exceadinge great nomber of chiefe Prelates or Metropolitanes and vnder euerye one Prelate at the leaste tvventy Bishoppes all their sutes and causes Ecclesiasticall beyng brought vnto him and he the maker of all these Prelates Bishoppes and other Ecclesiasticall persons he is called ouer them all Clergy or Laie in all causes Ecclesiastical or themporall Gyan the mightie that is the supreme Ruler aÌ„d Gouernour aÌ„d eueÌ„ so hath .425 coÌ„tinued sitheÌ„ those partes vvere first Christened as they saye of Thomas Dydimus the Apostle vntill our tyme. But thys by the vvaye novv from them to retourne to our ovvne countrey The .20 Chapter Of the Armenians and of the Aethiopians in Preto Ianes lande Stapleton A MAN would thinke that Maister Horne was with some straunge spirituall meditation rauished when he interlaced this digression woorthy belike depely to be coÌ„sidered being here I can not tel whether more impertinently or more falsely betwene the doings of king Henrie and king Stephen that immediately succeded him full wisely wrenched and writhed in For he is now vppon the sodaine as a man rapt vppe and caried awaie not only into Spaine but into Greece Armenia Moscouia yea and Aethiopia too And then is he as sodainly in England againe About a foure hundred yeres past he was very busie and to busie too for his owne honestie with Spaine nowe after this long taciturnitie belike he hathe espied out there some notable matter for his purpose And what is it thinke ye good Reader Forsooth he commeth in as it were in a Mummerie and sendeth vs to Arnoldus de Villa Noua and telleth vs that we shall learne by him of the doing of Frederike king of Sicilie and Iames king of Spain in their Epistles writen by the said Arnoldus But what this Arnoldus was Heretique or Catholique what his bookes were and where and when they were printed and where a man shall finde any thing of him he telleth vs nothing Your brother Gesnerus M. Horn in his Bibliotheca maketh meÌ„tion of Arnoldê° a PhisitioÌ„ aÌ„d nuÌ„breth his bokes But of these epistles there is no word and maruel it is that such a notable worke shoulde escape hys handes Suerlye with much a doe I suppose I haue chaunced vppon hym what in your brother Illiricus and what in your other frende Gaspar Hedio that addeth Paralipomena to Abbas Vrsper gensis I haue by them some feeling of thys your greate ghostly rauishmeÌ„te aÌ„d feele at my fyngers endes that your Arnoldus if he were no better then Illiricus maketh hym was your owne deare brother that is an Heretike aswell as your self and also that in the vehemencye of thys your impertinente madde meditatioÌ„ you are caried away one hundred and fiftie yeares at the leaste from the tyme ye shoulde haue orderly prosequuted and as many myles from the matter yt self For thys Arnoldus is noted to haue writen lyke a blinde and a lewde lying prophete abowte the tyme of Clemente the fifte which was made Pope abowte the yeare of our Lorde .1306 This Arnoldus then taking vppon him to be a prophete sayeth that Antichrist should come within .34 yeres of his blinde prophesiyng Now here for hys part M. Horne also playeth the lying prophete and telleth vs of wonderfull epistles that his authour wrote one hundred yeares before he was borne Whiche epistles though they be very highe and mysticall yet there semeth to be no greate poynte of heresie in theÌ„ And what so euer reformation these kings wente aboute the epistles seme to geue a playn testimony for the Popes primacy and to fynde faulte with certaine religiouse persons that they despised the Churche of Rome and did disallow appeales to that See Yea where he telleth vs with a greate mighty assertion and sayeth Quòd concluditur infallibiliter quòd Antichristus apparebit in mundo ab hoc anno Domini .1354 infra immediatè sequentes 34. annos that is that it is an infallible conclusion that Antechriste shall appeare in the world within fowre and thyrty yeares immediatly folowing after the yeare of our Lorde .1354 He sayth withall that within the sayde 34 the Sarasyns should be destroyed and the Iewes should be conuerted iurisdictionem summi Pontificis per vniuersum orbeÌ„ dilatari and that the authoritie of the Pope should be spredde through owte all the worlde Well how so euer yt be Arnoldus de Villa noua seameth not greatly to furder M. Hornes primacy And it semeth to me that by ignoraÌ„ce he taketh one Arnoldus for an other In dede there was one Arnoldus Brixianus abowt thys tyme coÌ„demned for an Heretik by Eugenius the .3 as S. Bernarde Platina and Sabellicus doe write Your Brother Bale sayeth that he was condemned for that he sayde the clergy might vse no temporal iurisdictioÌ„ And so thys Arnoldus might haue serued your turne for the tyme and somwhat for the matter to after your accustomable reasoninge if the authority of heretikes maye serue the turne But let Arnoldus aÌ„d Spayne to goe for this tyme. for M. Horne hath other great couÌ„tries that about this time taketh hys part as Grecia Armenia Moscouia aÌ„d Aethiopia to which acknouledge they re Princes only to be theyr supreame gouernours in al things next vnto God which ye muste belieue without any proufe belyke because yt is shewed to M. Horne in thys his Spirituall reuelation For otherwise I am assured he shall neuer iustifie this most vntrewe saying And though perchaunce some of these couÌ„treis did not at this tyme shewe to the see of Rome suche obedieÌ„ce as they owght to haue done especially the GreciaÌ„s aÌ„d Moscouites that followe the religioÌ„ and order of the greke Church yet neither doth M. Horne proue nor euer shall be able to proue that the Churches of these couÌ„tries gaue any suche authoritie to they re princes but that they euer toke for spirituall causes they re patriarche and other Bishoppes for the supreame heades in all matters spirituall Maruayle nowe yt is that M. Horne can not loke vpon the Grecians and Armenians but with one blind eye bleared with affection to heresie and hatred to the Pope Otherwyse yf he woulde loke vppon them with the better and indifferente eie there were more cause whie he should regarde aswell the aunciente Greeke Churche which
our authour sheweth that as the Kyng was going northwarde the grounde opened and swallowed vp hys cartes and caryage that yt coulde neuer be recouered Wherevppon the Kyng fell into a greate griefe and heauinesse and fetched many sighes from the very bottome of hys harte And beyng at Swinstead surfeated with peaches and other fruite and there fell sicke And so beynge sicke departed and being not able to continue on horsebacke came in an horselytter to Leadforde castle and afterwarde to Newemarket where perceiuyng him selfe to be paste all cure and remedie he sente for the Abbatte of Crokestone that was skylfull in physicke of whome he was confessed and receiued the Sacrament of the holye Eucharistia And by and by he endeth this storie of King Iohn saying that because this king was hated of many partly for the death of his nephewe Arthur partly for his adultrie partly for hys tyranny partlye for the tribute by the whiche he browght England into a perpetuall bondage partly for the warres that hys doinges sturred vppe he was scarslie worthie to be bemoned and lamented for of anye man Here haue we now M. Foxe fyue authors by name and more aunciente thē your Caxtō and of an other iudgemente towching this kinges death then your Caxton is beside fowre some sayes at the leaste And now let vs weighe with a word or two the creditte of this yowr owne Authour I passe ouer that ye call yt the chronicle of William Caxton he being neither the maker neither the translatour sauing he hath adioyned out of Polichronicō the description of Englande and Irelande of Treuisa his translation and added as they say certayn other thinges to his vnknowen Author Belyke ye thowght to wynne some credite to your authour clothing hym with the name of this Caxton a man of late remembraunce because he hath no name of his owne And so a mete worke for you in the darke to lurke and lie withall and in dede vnworthy to haue the name of the chronicles of England or to be called Fructus temporum being as vnfruytful as any booke that was made many a .100 yeres Onlesse we may call him beinge barrē of al good truthe and choise of good matter fitte for a story of any credit or fruytful being only fruytful ād plētiful of wōderful vntruths and opē lewde lies I report me for his truth to his fable of the xxxiij Daughters of king Diocletiā king of Syria that after they had slain their husbands stole away by shippe into our Ilelād of Britannie whiche was then vnhabited and vnpeopled and afterwarde beinge conceyued by deuilles browght forth gyantes whiche inhabited the lande vntill the commynge of Brute that slewe them And that our Ilelande was called Albion of the eldest dawghter Albine as afterward Britānie by the name of the foresayd Brute Againe of king Arthure that being not able to kepe the possessiō of his owne realme from the Saxons caried an armie of one hundred thousande and more into farre countries hauing vnder his conducte a nomber of kinges and there slewe the Emperour of Rome ād discomfited his huge army wherin were aboue .5 or .6 hundred thousande armed men Make now M. Foxe the citezens of Rochester beleue that in the olde tyme by the prayer of S. Augustyne they re forefathers were borne with tayles or any wise man to belieue that king Ethelbertus ioyning with his frend Elfride the king of Northumberlād who yet was an heathen the other being christened leuied an army and set vppō the Britaines because they would not receyue and obey the sayd S. Augustine Make vs if you can beleue this with the vaine fabler Galfride a sadde Author with your felowe Iewel against the approued history of venerable Bede and of all other sence his time Make vs I say M. Fox by any good or probable demōstratiō belieue this and an hundred suche other fables for the which your Fructus temporum is vnfruitfull to his wise ād discrete reader and then tel vs and spare not of this mōk of Swīstead Otherwise he wer a very swyneshead that would be lightly and rashly perswaded by suche swynish fables Paynt ād picture thē as fast ād fayre as ye wil to make fooles fayn withal I say not this because I wil excuse hym or any other yll monke of they re nawghty doinges I do require but cōuenient proufe namely of you M. Foxe and your fellowes that are so precise with the Catholikes for their proufes And when ye haue al proued ye proue nothing to the purpose For the ill doings of some naughty packes can neither deface the truth of the Catholique doctrine nor yet spotte the honestie of other not cōsenting And as there is no likelihode the King to be after this sort poisoned so is it more incredible that this Monke had Masses continually songe for his soule and of all most incredible that it shoulde be confirmed by their generall Chapter No no M. Foxe thinke not to carie awaye the matter so Thinke not that al that reade your foolish lewd lying Martyrologe will straight waies without further tryall and examination take all for the Gospell And see how God hath prouided against your false lying fable a good and a conuenient remedie for them that will not willingly be caried away lyke fooles and beastes for the discredite of this your fable For seeing that your selfe hath here most impudently added that which is not at all in your authour that is concerning the confirmation of the generall chapter who will hereafter credite you or regarde your writinges or who wyll not thinke that your vnnamed and vnfruitfull authour hath either vpon to light credite set in this fable in his vnfruitfull booke or by like impudencie as ye haue fayned the generall chapters confirmation hath fained it or taken of some that fained it this whole foolish fond fable Goe nowe on M. Horne pleade on as you haue begonne and bring moe such examples I pray you M. Horne The .125 Diuision pag. 79. a. In this vvhile The French King helde a Councell at Cenomannia in Turon And after him King Lewes did celebrate a solemne Coūcel at Paris wherat was present the Popes legates Stapleton Plead on I say M. Horn ād tel your reader that king Lewes was supreme head because in a coūcell that he kept at Parys the Popes legat was present Wherby it rather followeth that it was kepte by the Popes supreame authority not by the kinges M. Horne The .126 Diuision pag. 79. a. In vvhiche time vvas Frederike the .2 Emperour out of doubt saith Auentinus an other Charles the great and without all controuersie most profitable for the Christiā cōmon wealth vvhiche not only helde the priuileges aforesaid in Apulia and Sicilia but in all his dominions and about this matter .433 tamed diuers Popes called and kepte diuerse Coūcelles asvvel by his Sonnes as by him selfe and ordeined certain .434 Ecclesiastical lavves
except you tell vs withal and proue it to that in such reformation the whole clergy and the temporalty tooke the Kinge and not the Pope to be the supreame head Gouernour and directer thereof and of al other Ecclesiastical causes also Verily your own authors shewe playnely the coÌ„trary And the Popes authority was at this tyme takeÌ„ to be of such weight and force that the great league made betweÌ„ our KiÌ„g aÌ„d the FreÌ„ch King was coÌ„firmed by the Pope Ye wil perhapps replie and say the Popes whole Authority was abolished a commaundement being geuen vpon paine of drowninge no man shoulde bring into the realme any kinde of letters from the Pope Ye wil tel vs also of certaine letters that the Kinge sent to the Pope admonisshing him to leaue his disordered doings and when that woulde not serue he redressed them by acte of Parliament Why doe ye not M. Horne laye forth the tenour of those letters which as yet I finde not in any of your marginall authours Belyke there lieth some thing hidde that ye woulde be loth your reader should knowe least yt bewray your weake and feble argumente as yt doth in dede Neither that only but directlye proueth the Popes primacy Did this Kinge wene you M. Horne cal the Pope Antichrist as ye doe Or wrote he him self supreame head of the Churche of England Or did he abolishe the popes authority in England Harken then I pray you euen to the beginning of his letters Sanctissimo in Christo Patri Domino Clementi diuina prouidentia sacrosanctae Romanae ac vniuersalis Ecclesiae summo pontifici Edwardus eadeÌ„m gratia rex Francorum Angliae dux Hiberniae deuot a pedum oscula beatorum To the most holy father in Christ the Lorde Clement by Gods prouidence the high bisshop of the holy and vniuersall Churche of Rome Edward by the same grace King of Fraunce and England and Duke of Ireland offereth deuoutly to kisse his holy feete He calleth the Pope Successorem Apostolorum Principis the successour of the prince of the Apostles he desireth the pope to consider the great deuotion and obedience that the King the Cleargie and the people had shewed hitherto to the Sea of Rome He saieth vt nos nostri qui personam vestraÌ„ sanctiss sanctam Rom. Ecclesiam dominari cupimus vt debemus c. that he and all his did desire euen as their dutie was that his holy person and the holy Churche of Rome might gouerne and rule Now M. Horne vnlesse vppon some sodayne and newe deuotioÌ„ ye intende to haue the pope beare rule in England againe and will also offer your selfe yf neede be to kysse the Popes fote to wich thing this great and mighty Prince was not ashamed to say tell vs no more for shame of these letters Neither tel vs of disorders reformed nowe almost two hundred yeares agoe to make thereby an vnseasonable and fonde argumente to abolishe all the Popes authority in our Dayes The effecte then of those letters were to pray and that most humbly the Pope that he woulde not by reseruations collations and prouisions of Archbishoprykes Bishoprykes Abbeis Priories and other dignities and benefices bestowe any ecclesiasticall lyuinges in Englande vppon straungers and aliens The whych thyng hath bene euer synce straitly sene to and there were two Actes of parliament made in this Kinges dayes agaynst the sayed prouisions And yet did the popes ordinarie and laufull authoritie in matters and causes ecclesiasticall remayne whole and entiere as before Neyther doe I fynde nor take it to be true that suche persons as were promoted by the Pope were expelled the realme Nor did the statute take place againste suche as had taken before the enacting of the same corporal possession As for Nauclere it is no maruell yf he being a straunger doth not write so exactely of our matters And no doubte he is deceiued in writinge that the kinge forbad any letters to be browght from the Pope But what say I he is deceiued Nay you that should knowe Englishe matters better then he especially such as by penne ye set abrode into the face of the worlde are deceiued and not Nauclerus Yea rather ye haue wilfully peruerted Nauclerus and drawen his sentence as Cacus did Hercules oxen backwarde into your Cacus denne and to beguile and deceiue your simâ—le reader and to bring him into a fooles paradise therin fondly to reioyce with you as thoughe this King abolisshed all the Popes authority and Iurisdiction For thoughe Nauclerus his wordes be general yet they may be wel vnderstanded and restrayned to suche letters as conteyned any suche collatioÌ„ or prouision inhibited by the statute But you least this shoulde be espied haue altered the forme and order of your authours wordes placing that firste that he placed laste As before coÌ„trariewise ye placed in Paulus Aemilius that laste whiche he placed firste Then haue ye falsly traÌ„slated your authour to wrye him to your wroÌ„gful purpose He expelled sayeth Nauclerus all persons promoted to any benefice in his realme by the Pope commaundinge vnder payne of drowning that no man shoulde exequute there the Popes letters what so euer they were Your authour speaketh not of bringinge letters into the Realme those are your owne wordes falsly fathered vpon him but of exequutioÌ„ And therefore the generall wordes following what so euer are to be restrayned to the exequution of the Popes letters contrarie to the order taken against the sayde prouisions and of none other Whiche statute doth no more take away the Popes ecclesiastical and ordinary authoritie then this kinges royall authority was taken away because the Parliament vppon reasonable causes denied him a certaine paymente that he there demaunded And yet yf I shoulde followe your vayne and humour in your newe rhetoryke I might thereby aswell inferre that the people toke him for no king as you by as good argumentes inferre the abolishing of the Popes authority Nowe as towching theis prouisioÌ„s they were not altogether abolished against the Popes will For this matter was loÌ„g in debate betwene the Pope and the king and at lengthe yt was agreed by the Pope that he woulde not practise anye more suche prouisions And on the kinges parte it was agreed that Archbishoppes and Bishops should be chosen by the Chapter of the cathedral Church without any interruption or impedimente of the king As appeareth aswell in the sayde epistle sente by the king to the Pope as by our chroniclers M. Horne The .137 Diuision pag. 82. b. Next to Levves vvas Charles the .4 chosen Emperour vvho helde a councel at Mentze vvith the Prelates and Princes in the yere of the Lorde 1359. vvherein he much reproued the Popes Legate for his disorders and coÌ„maunded the Archbishop of Mentze to reforme his Clergy and the disorders amongest them for othervvise he would see to it him selfe .451 The Popes Legate seing hovv the Emperor tooke vpon him gate
chief part of this spiritual gouernement from the Church ministers As contrary vvise the Church ministers ought not to claime and take vpon them the supremacy of gouernement as the .535 Papistes of longe tyme haue done frō Kinges Queenes and Princes Stapleton M. Horn hath hitherto good-reader proceded altogether historically aswel in brīgīg forth his poore sely proufs against M. Fekenham as in his first aunswere to M. Fekenham by the story of King Lucius and others but nowe will he shewe you a copie of his high diuinitye and of his greate diuine knowledge in the soluting of theologicall argumentes M. Fekenham proueth by S. Paule that they are Bisshops and Priestes and not the Princes that gouerne Christes Church Nay saieth M. Horne here this is a naughty a duble and a deceitful sophistication in the worde priest ād in the worde to gouerne and he is angrie with M. Fekenham for the terme of priestes and wil nedes haue ministers placed for them But how chaunceth yt M. Horne that ye put not in also for bishops superintendēts Shal the inferiour clergy chaūge their papistical name and wil you reserue to your self stil the name of Bisshops because it is more lordelyke It is a wonderful thing to cōsider the practise of these protestants To make a way to their new diuinity they first began to alter the vsual names chaunging confession into knowledge penance into repentance Church into cōgregation Image into idole with many such like So to make a way to induce men to belieue that Order is no Sacrament and that there is no sacrifice in the Church they could not nor cā abide the name of priests Tyndal was much trobled in the framing of some other word for it First he translated for priests seniours but his folly being therein wel espied he trāslated afterward for seniours elders Which word elder doth no more signify a priest thē it signifieth an elderstycke M. Horn though he be wel cōtēted with the word elders as ye shal hereafter vnderstand yet here he wil haue them called Ministers and geueth vs plainely to vnderstand that though he vse the vnproper terme of priestes yet he meaneth ministers as though euery Priest be not a Minister although euery Minister be not a priest and so very oftē called in the holy scripture As wher it speaketh of those which do sacrifice in the clergy it calleth thē indifferētly priestes or ministers And therefore Moyses saith of the sonnes of Aarō that were priests Quādo appropinquāt altari vt ministrēt in sanctuario Whē thei draw nere to the aulter to minister in the sanctuary Ioel calleth the priests ministers of the aulters In Hieremy God saith that priests are his ministers S. Paule saith Omnis quidē sacerdos praesto est quotidie ministrās easdē semper offerēs hostias euery priest is redy dayly to minister euer offering the same hosts And in the new testament where it is writen ministrantibus illis ieiunantibus as they ministred to our Lord and fasted the said word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may wel be traslated as they made sacrifice according to Erasmus his iudegmēt Yf thē ministers serue the aulter aswel as priests what hath M. Horn gained by the shifting of the word priests into ministers Suerly this is a wōderful shifting ghospel that cā not stād but by shiftīg ād that must nedes shyft away this word priest which hath ben vsually frequēted ād cōtinued not only amōg vs in Englād sythēce the time we were first christened but amōg other natiōs as Dutchmē high Almaines Frēchmē Italiās ād Spaniards as it appeareth vnto thē that be skilfull in these tonges But to cal the Ministers of Christes Church by the name of Priestes is a kinde of speache saith M. Horne impropre though longe in vse and for such he protesteth to vse it as oft as he vseth the word Priest in that sence The proper priesthods he auoucheth to be only thre Of Aaron of Melchisedech ād of that other Order which is cōmō to all Christiās mē ād wemē But ô Lord what a blīd bussard hath malice and pride made you M. Horn Think you it an opiniō among the cōmon Papists only as you say to auouche a fourth kind of sacrificing priesthod What think you then of S. Augustin that lerned Father of Christes Church Was he a Papist to Or was he one also of the Apostolical clergy of the Romish Antichrist Harkē I pray you what his iudgemēt is herein He saith that in the Apoc. 20. ād in S. Peter 1. Pet. 2. where the princely priesthod cōmō to al Christē mē is spoken of Nō vtique de solis episcopis presbyteris dictū est qui propriè iā vocātur in Ecclesia sacerdotes sed sicut oēs c. It is spoken not of Bisshops and Priests alōne which nowe in the Church are properly called Priests but as we call al the faithful Christians because of the mystical ointment so we cal al the faithful Priests because they are the members of one Priest that is Christe Here you see M. Horn that it is an opiniō not only among the cōmon Papists but with S. Augustin also that ther are yet in the Church beside that Prīcely Priesthod that you spake of bishops ād priests ād that properly so called And dareth your impudēt mouth auouche that kinde of speache impropre which S. Augustin auoucheth to be properly so called and that in the Church of Christ to Goe M. Horne and tel your frendes this tale For your frēd I assure you he had nede to be more then his owne which wil beleue you in this most impudēt and most vnchristian assertion A priesthood there is M. Horn and that a proper priesthod of bishops and priests in the Church of Christ beside that of Aarō in the old law or of Melchisedech in Christes only person or of this prīcely priesthood cōmō to al Christiās who are no more properly priests thē thei are Princes and whose cōmō priesthod no more excludeth the proper priesthod of Bishops and priests in the Church thē doth their kingdō for kings in like maner al Christiās are called in the places of holy Scripture lastly noted exclude the proper kingdō of Emperours kings and other Princes To cōfute yet farder this Antichristiā solutiō and to proue that this propre priesthod is a sacrificīg priesthod wuld require some cōueniēt tract of tyme ād more thē we cā cōueniētly now spare for auoiding of tediousnes But what nede we seke farre for a solutiō or tarry long therin seing as cūning as M. Horne is hīself hath in his own solutiō proued the sacrifice of the masse For to goe no farder M. Horn then your owne chapter and allegatiō I reason thus Christe contineweth a prieste accordinge to the order of Melchisedech for euer the sacrifice of which order he shewed in his last Supper Ergo there is and euer shall be that sacrifice of
repeÌ„taÌ„ce And hath further prouided sundry meanes and vvaies vvherby to remoue your vvilful ignorance and to endue you vvith sufficient knovvledge of the truthe hovv ye might vvith salfe conscience receiue this dutifull Othe of a true subiecte vvithout all periurie The .5 Chapter Of M. Fekenhams fourth chiefe point Stapleton IN this DiuisioÌ„ you lie and raile blasphemously and horribly eueÌ„ as if SathaÌ„ had preseÌ„tly entred into you and proÌ„pted vnto you at your backe both such caÌ„cred matter as your poisoned hart hath coÌ„ceiued aÌ„d also such foul termes as your spritish pen hath endited M. FekenhaÌ„ demauÌ„ded of you a very reasonable demaund that is in case he or other should now take this new found Othe and that it should so chauÌ„ce that any of the Princes successours should bind his subiects by the like statute law to the cleane coÌ„trary how they might be dispensed withal To this you M. Horne in stede of some good reasoÌ„ fal to detestable railing and ye say that the 2. oth must in no wise be geueÌ„ for that the Pope is a more perillous enemy vnto Christ then the Turke and Poperie is more idolatrous then Turkery Of the which blasphemouse answere yf yt be true yt must by a necessary consequente follow that not only al the catholik princes that now liue but that all the other that either liued in Englande sence it was first christened by S. Augustin our Apostle or else where in christeÌ„dome for this .15 hundred yeares with all their people be and haue bene idolatours and worse then Turkes For by Popery M. Horne meaneth the Popes religioÌ„ which is none other now theÌ„ yt was wheÌ„ EnglaÌ„d was first christened as appeareth by the historye of Venerable Bede â–ª aÌ„d by the Fortresse aÌ„nexed therevnto Yea theÌ„ it was 15. hundred yeares paste Al the which time all ChristiaÌ„ and catholik natioÌ„s were euer ioyned with the sea of Rome in one faith and religioÌ„ A heauy and a sorowful thing yt is to heare out of the mowth of one that beareth him self for a prelat of the see of Winchester such spitiful words for the which he may be ful wel a prelat of the Alcoran How be yt as horible as this talke is yt is no vnwonte talke to the best of this new gospelling generatioÌ„ For eueÌ„ the Apostle of theÌ„ Luther maketh more accompt of the Turke then of many ChristiaÌ„ princes aÌ„d for a while he both preached aÌ„d wrote that yt was not lawful for Christians to kepe anye warre with him Namely that to warre against the Turkes was to resist God visitiÌ„g our iniquites by theÌ„ It is one of his Articles that he defendeth against the Church of Rome And yt is writen that the Turk hearing of theis his doinges and into what diuisioÌ„ he had brought ChristeÌ„dom liked it very well and enquiring of his age when he heard he was fifty yeres old I would ê™ the Turke he were yonger the tyme shoulde perhaps ones come when Luther shoulde fynde me his good Lord which wheÌ„ Luther heard of he blessed him selfe and saied God saue me from such a good Lorde Yea euen to this day Luther hath many schollers that dehorteth Christian meÌ„ to resiste the Turkes especially Claudius Monerius one of the late holie martyrs of this newe ghospelling Church who misliketh all the Christian mens defence that they make to withstaÌ„d the Turke and saieth that the knightes of the Rhodes are nothing but a graf that the heauenly Father neuer graffed and therefore owght to be plucked vp by the roote Let no man nowe merueill yf the Turkes prosper so againste the ChristiaÌ„s seing that he hath suche frendes at home here amonge our selues Wherof you M. Horne are not one of the least but a very Goliath and much worse then he so desperatly and so arrogantlie defying and reuiling the host of the liuing God that is the whole catholike churche much more vilanously and trayterously than the sayd wicked Philistian did For he was a sworen and professed enemy to the people of God and therefore therein he did but his kinde But you professing your selfe not only a frieÌ„d but also a Captaine of the Christian army the place that you occupie considered do beare thereunto a deuelish and a Philistian harte as your Turkish not Christian penne hath vttered And yet yf ye had proued any thing all this while in your answere to the derogation of the Popes authority or of the religion that he mainteineth mens eares woulde lesse haue glowed to heare you talke so Turkishlie We haue in dede great brauery in talke and horrible woordes withowt any substantiall proufe of the matter ye take in hande Yea ye are rather ouerborne and beaten downe with a number of your owne allegations and authorities As for the place of Iob ye alleage that the hypocrites hope shall perishe doth no more touche M. Fekenham and his fellowes then yt did touche the blessed man Iob. Baldad did vntruely charge him with yt and ye doe as baldly and as vntruely charge nowe the catholikes therwith The Catholiks haue almost one thousand of yeres quietly possessed and enioyed their faith in our realme that ye peuishely and prowdly call Popery The religion that ye professe hath not as yet continewed there vnder anie one Prince tenne yeares together Miracles ye worke none though many woÌ„ders ye worke for your procedinges are altogether to be wondered at Neither the lyfe of your sect is so vertuouse nor the learning so greate that either wyse men and suche as haue the feare of God in them may sodenly be drawen from theire aunciente Catholike faith or that ye may so binde Princes nowe lyuing and all theire successours by suche a Turkish answere to a reasonable demaunde as they may not in any wise mainteyne that faith that notoriously and commonly was mainteyned in Englande almost a thousande yeares ere ye were borne M. FeckenhaÌ„s most reasonable demauÌ„d therfore remayneth vnanswered and the foule absurdyte which he obiecteth vnauoyded appereth well as it is in dede by your silence vnauoydable â—he .161 Diuision pag. 102. a. M. Fekenham Here foloweth the Resolutions of the are foresayde Scruples made by my L. Bishop of VVinchester For a resolute ansvvere to all the saide Scruples expressed in the forenamed poinctes his L. sayde that he did muche lamente that the right meaninge of the Othe had not beene in season opened and declared vnto me whan the onely lacke of the right vnderstanding thereof hath bene the cause of such staies and distourbance of coÌ„science Whereas the Q. Maiesties meaning in that Othe is farre otherwise thaÌ„ the expresse words are as they lie verbatim like as it doth well appeare by her Highnes interpretatioÌ„ made thereof in the IniunctioÌ„s Therevnto my obiectioÌ„ was that vndoutedly her Highnes did fully meane and mind to claim and take al spiritual gouernmeÌ„t vpoÌ„ her for besides the expres wordes of the Othe whervnto al meÌ„ be bound to swere verbatim as
Catholik good reader should haue brought a testimony out of this Author against M. Horne yt should haue ben with great contempte refused and reiected by and by But now seing M. Horne himself hath authorised him I trust he wil allowe him to be alleaged for our side also And then shall M. Horne take small coÌ„fort of any distinction to be found in him being one that auoucheth the popes supremacy as much as any man yea aboue al generall Councelles Yet M. Horne thinketh so to bewytche his reader as yt were with certayne magical incantations that he shoulde beleue this Anthony to be of his opinion We wil therfore for the better disclosing of M. Hornes iuggling gather so much out of Anthonius as we must necessarily do for the illustratioÌ„ of this matter This Anthonius diuideth as other scholemen doe al authority Ecclesiastical into the power of order and into the power of iurisdictioÌ„ The first power as he declareth doth reste in the interpreting of the sacred Scripture in the consecrating of the body and bloudde of Christ in ministring of Sacraments in geuing holy orders and beside other things in coupling of parsons together by mariage sacrameÌ„tally The power of iurisdictioÌ„ he defineth as M. Morn doth and doth diuide it into Cohibityue aÌ„d Not Cohibityue as M. Horn doth But for the residewe M. Horn plaieth the Medea as he did before with Quintinê° And besides maketh such expositions as neither his authour hath nor otherwise are true And as skilful a Logician as he pretendeth him self he neither followeth the order of his author nor yet the true order and trade of the rules of Logik that is first to define and theÌ„ to diuide But peruerteth and confoundeth aswel the order as the truth of al things Wel we wil walke also a litle disorderly to trace M. Horn in his own steppes The iurisdistion not cohibityue saith M. Horn is that iurisdiction or power that is exercised and worketh in the inward and secrete court of conscieÌ„ce that is the preaching of the Ghospel ministratioÌ„ of the Sacraments and the absoluing or reteyning of syns by the word of God in the publique ministery This sayth M. Horn but not his authour who referreth to the not cohibityue Iurisdiction only absolutioÌ„ in the secret Court of conscience Who saith also that preaching and expounding of holy scripture with the ministratioÌ„ of sacraments is no part of iurisdictioÌ„ ecclesiastical but beloÌ„geth to the keies of order Neither doth your authour call preaching and ministring of Sacramens the secret cowrt of conscience nor he caÌ„ iustly do it being a thing openly done sene and hearde but he so calleth priuate confession only because it is done priuatly and secretly betwene the party and the confessor And this no man doth vnwillingly for though a man may by commaundement of his bishop be allotted to a certayne parish and curate yet vnlesse he do submitte him self to his parrochial priest and open vnto him his synnes he can neuer be losed by him To confesse the which priuy and secrete faults he can not be forced but by his owne conscience And vnlesse he coÌ„fesse theÌ„ he can not be absolued To this coÌ„fession then it appertayneth that is sayd no maÌ„ is bownd or losed vnwillingly which you for the teÌ„der loue ye beare to priuat confession do altogether dissemble and not to preaching or ministring of SacrameÌ„ts as ye seeme to say Which preaching and ministring of Sacraments doe not appertayne to the not cohibityue iurisdiction as absolutioÌ„ doth but to the power or kaye of order which properly to speak is no IurisdictioÌ„ at al. The which as M. Horn doth confound so doth he imagine of his owne fantasticall braine that the iurisdiction cohibitiue hath two parts the one standing in excommunicatioÌ„ belonging neither to king nor bishoppe but to such as haue commission from the Church the other in hearing of causes in the external and publyke cowrte All this is but an heape of follies and lies For first his Authour doth not so diuide cohibityue iurisdiction as yt doth euidently appeare in hym and we shall anon more plainly open it Againe is not excommunication geuen and pronounced in publike and external cowrt vppon the hearing of causes there Why do ye then seuer and dismember excommunication from the hearing of causes ecclesiastical Now that excommunication should neither properly apperteine to the prince nor to bishops but to the whole Church and congregation is a fonde folish and frantyk imagination of M. Horne as euen also his Author Antonius in this very booke largely proueth And as it is not farre from heresy so perchaunce it is not farre from a premunire What meane you Maister Horne by this Churche The whole Churche can not assemble together And if you meane a generall councell whiche in dede representeth the whole Churche when shall we haue any man excommunicated For of suche councells very fewe syth the ChristiaÌ„ fayth was first receaued haue bene assembled And yet as fewe as they are diuerse of them haue alredy excoÌ„municated such heresies as ye mainteyn Yf ye meane of the particular Church where the party shall be denounced excommunicate then must we haue both men womeÌ„ and children solemply summoned to assemble when any excommunication is made For they be aswel parts of the Church as the wisest and the eldest parson of the parrishe And as euery part of your answere in this point imployeth a great folly so the greatest of all is to see yowe after this sort to handle your matters that ye haue now by this your wise reason frustrated and made voyde al the excommunications that haue bene made any day this .8 yeares and more either by your selfe yowre officers or by the arches or any other Ecclesiasticall cowrte in Englande And nowe may the poore honeste and catholyke woman of Winchester that vppon false excommunication if your owne doctrine be true hath bene kepte so many yeares in the Marshalsea goe home and serue yowe with a write vppon an action of false inprisonment either else shewe vs good M. Horne your commission to excommunicate that you haue receiued from the Church or congregation Commission ye haue none from the Quenes highnes for as you say she hath no such power her self from the congregation you haue none from the which two you deriue all cohibityue iurisdiction and from the Pope ye neither haue nor wil haue any From whence fetche ye then your cohibityue iurisdiction to excommunicate Now as I sayd take ye hede leaste to your greate folly be annexed also a daungerouse premunire As for M. Fekenham if he deny this and other Ecclesiastical iurisdiction to depende vppon the prince onely he doth constantly and agreably to him self and to a catholike maÌ„ but you neither agree with the catholik nor with your statute Law nor with your owne self The catholiks say that this iurisdictioÌ„ cometh not originally from the prince but being in the
and belie them And than both I and all other faithfull Christians vvill both better beleeue you and geue God thankes for you Stapleton M. Fekenham concluding his obiections with Ignatius adioyneth a general protestation of his faith taken out of blessed S. Augustin his bookes against the heretike Iulianus Thus. That they belieue I belieue that they hold I hold that they teache I teache that they preache I preach yeld to thē and thow shalt yelde to me Here doth M. Horne so reuell against M. Fekenhā as he hath not don the like in all his answere First he denieth that of this place of S. Augustine may any good sequele be gathered that Bishops may make lawes or vse al cohibitiue iurisdiction Then as hauing now M. Fekenham in such a fowle euident faulte as by no pretext maye be couered he thinketh that for this false dealing his owne frendes wil take him for a deape dissembler yea rather will abhorre him as an open slaunderer and belier of the fathers as a manifest mangler alterer peruerter and corrupter of S. Augustine For in stede of istis cede me non caedes yelde to them and thou shalt strike or whip me he hath put in istis cede mihi cedes Yelde to them and thow shalt yelde to me And then saith further that belike M. Fekenham will not sticke to corrupte that which maketh flatte against him that thus vseth to corrupt that which maketh neither to nor fro with him self nor against him selfe After this he rolleth in S. Augustines sentences and layth them forth against M. Fekēhā for this his euil dealing with him as S. Augustin doth against Pelagius a Brittayn monke Finally as though now the battel were wōne and a ful conquest made vpon poore M. Fekenham he calleth vpon him to yelde and relente Mary sir this is a terrible blaste in dede blowen out of Maister Hornes mouth for his farewell This is such a blustering tempest sturred vp by our newe Aeolus that as it seemeth M. Fekenham must nedes be ouerblowen with the vehemency of yt But we will yet seeke out and see the very foundation and the original cause of all this broyle By al likelihodde M. Fekenham hath founde some good apparance of great aduantage in corrupting these wordes of S. Augustin For no man lightly is so doltish to vse such foule and sluttish shifts without some cōfort and hope to further his matter by According to the old saying Cui bono Nay saith M. Horn The corrupting of the sentence serueth no whit the more for M. Fekenhās purpose No doth it not M. Horne and would M. Fekenhā deale so fondly by opē falshod to staine his honesty ād for whippe me trāslate yelde to me without any benefit of his cause Suerly thē were he worthy aswel as I loue him to be twise whipped once for falshod ād ons more for folly Therefore this your accusation euē by your own tale and by Cui bono is vtterly incredible And yet yf he had so falsly and so folishly demeaned him self seing it toucheth no part of the substance of the questiō that lieth betwixt you ād him you playe with him yf not a folish yet to vehemēt an oratour ād haue sauced your oratory with ouer much gal ād egernes And for al your blowing and blustering your great hil bringeth forth nothing but a poore Aesops mouse Yet say you this is a naughty part of him so manifestly to māgle and to corrupt S. Augustin Perchaunce good reader thou dost now looke for an answer and how M. Fekēham may saue his honesty agaīst this mighty accusatiō And suerly what answer I may best make I can not redely tel but this will I tell you in the meane season that such as vse to play their part very wel otherwise yet somtimes at the very last cast for some folish disorder they are hissed and clapped out by the multitude With what shoting thē ād clapping ought this waynscot faced mā to be driuen as it were frō this stage that hauīg throughout his book plaied so many foule ād vilanouse parts for his Valete ād Plaudite plaieth as euill or a worse part then he hath plaied in all the residewe of his booke There be no moe examples of S. Augustins works printed that I haue sene but four the first printed at Basil the secōd and third at Paris the fourth at Liōs ād al these haue istis cede mihi cedes Yeld to them and thou shalt yeld to me Only the later editiō of Paris readeth in the text as M. F. readeth but putteth in the margent as a diuerse reading me non caedes as M. Horne ful peuishly and wretchedly would make folke beleue it should only be read What detestable impudency thē is this for M. Horn to crie out vpō M. F. being a poore prisoner after this outragiouse sort and for the allegatiō of this place so sternely ād fiercely to vaūt saying How dare ye impudētly say ye preache ād teache that he did whē ye manifestly mangle alter peruerte and corrupt the saying that he did teache And to aske of him where Saint Augustine hath these woordes in all his sixe bookes against Iulian istis cede mihi cedes The truth is thoughe as I sayde all these copyes haue these woordes in this order yet by forgetfulnes M. Fekenham hath not set in the booke And wil ye see howe wel the matter is amended by M. Horne After all this ruffling and blustering he him self hauing al copies against him nameth not either any of theis sixe bokes or any place where any boke of S. Augustines should be printed that shoulde haue any such text of suche tenour as he doth alleage And yet doth M. Horne as ye haue hearde as though it were right true yea and a synne against the holy Ghost all to reuile M. Fekenham and leaueth not there but that which S. Augustine most truely obiected to Pelagius doth he most vntruely obiect against M. Fekenham euen as truely as that the sayd Pelagius was an English monke who was dead and buried before the Saxons entred Britanny For Pelagius died in the time at the least of Theodosius the seconde and the Saxons entred the realme in the tyme of Marcianus as witnesseth S. Bede And before Britanny was commonly called England Pelagius was dead at the lest one hundred yeres But before it was christened more then a hundred and a halfe But nowe concerninge the matter yt selfe whether the Coūcels the fathers both olde and nowe that you M. Horn haue alleaged and especially S. Augustine may not truely say to you that he said to Pelagius I referre it to the indifferent reader Suerly there is none of them al as may easely appeare to the diligent reader but may iustly say to you M. Horne ye fayne me to say that I say not to conclude that I conclude not to graunt that I graunte not and you conclude to your self that which
The â—rotestantes in diuers pointes resemble the Donatistes 58 59. The appeales of the Donatistes 50. a. The donation of Constantine 471. a. Durandus 331. b. E. The keping of Easter day 101. b. The principal questions concerning ecclesiastical regiment 3. b. Kinge Edvvard the first 326. 327. Kinge Edvvarde the third 344. seq Pope Eleutherius the Apostle of the Britaines 397. a sequent Of his letters to kiÌ„g Lucius 399. a. b. To vvhat ende Emperours confirme the lavves of the Churche 117 a. Hovve they haue and may deale in General Councelles 117 118. Confirmation of Emperours by the Pope 334 a. Examples of Emperours that haue repined againste the See Apostolike 3â—8 330 340. Englande only defendeth the Princes Supremacy 3. b. 22. b. 134. b. Religion altered in Englande againste the vvil of the vvhole Clergy 9 a. A nevve maner of electioÌ„ in England 88. b. The Ephesine Councel 12â— sequent Eugenius the .4 Pope 353 a. A place of Eusebius corrected 87 b. Eutiches the Archeretike 131. b. 132 a Excommunication belongeth to the Office of Bishops 152. a. 447. a. b. 500. a. b. The excommunication of Theodosius 498. a. Ezechias 52. b. F. FAsting 535. VVhy M. FeckenhaÌ„ deliuered his Treatise to M. Horne 1. b. VVhy he deliuered the same to some of the Councel 2. a. A true defence of M Feckenham 27. a. The cause of his enprisonment in king Edvvards daies 36. b. DisputatioÌ„s had vvith M. FeckeÌ„haÌ„ 37. a. His reasons falslie compared vvith the Donatistes 403. a. M Fekenham clered 429. b. 527. 528. His Argumentes ineuitable 506. seq Item 515. b. Ferrariensis 369. b. 370. a. Rebellion in Flaunders 17 18 19.20.21.432 seq Foxes false Martyrs 60.61.317 b. 318. b. 326. b. Foxes levvde lies of S. Thomas of CauÌ„terburie 306. b. 307 a. b. Foxes falshood 310. a. His folie 312. Foxes levvde lies about the storie of king Iohn 312. b. 314 b. Foxe confuted by his ovvne Authours 312. b. 313. a. His fructus temporum 313. b. A short ansvver to all Foxes martirologe by Frederike M. Horns supreme head 319. a. A Synod in Frankeforde against Imagebreakers 234. b. Frederike Barbarossa 285. seq Frederike the second 315. sequent Frederike the third 355. seq Rebellion of Frenche protestants 16. a. G. GAlfride of Monemouth a vaine fabler 314 a. D. Gardiner Bisshop of VVinchester 367. b. The falsehood of Gaspar Hedio 347. b. The rebellion of Germaine Protestants 15. b. The electours of Germanie appointed by Pope Gregorie the fift 271. b. Gilbie against the Supremacie of kinge Henrie the eight 23. His Iudgement against the nevve Religion 24. b. Good man against Obedience to Superiours 25. b. The ende of temporall Gouernement 29. a. of spiritual Gouernement 29. b. The Grecians acknovvleadg the Popes Primacie 76. b. The vvorthy doinges of S. Gregorie 189. 190. Gregorie Nazianzene for the Clergies superiority 518. a. b. 520. H. HEnrie the .3 Emperor 273. b. 274. a Henrie the 4. 278. seq Henrie the fift 282. seq Henrie the first king of EnglaÌ„d 298. b. 299. 300. Henrie the second 306. a. His penaunce 309. a. Henrie the third 321. seq Henrie the fift 354. a. Henrie the eight 364. seq SeditioÌ„ the peculiar fruit of heresy 15. a. The good that heresie vvorketh to the Church 37. b. Heresie is Idolatrie 42. a. Heresies the destructions of common vveales 81. a. A number of olde condemned heresies renevved by protestaÌ„ts 57.316 a. b Hildebrand Pope 275. sequent Hildebrand had the Spirit of Prophecie 277. a. The fourme of hiâ— Election 279. b. Fiue grosse lies in the booke of Homilies touching Images 76. b. 77. a. Honorius Pope 217. 218. M. Horns idle vvandring froÌ„ the purpose 4. a. 53. b. 85. b. 289. a. 321. a. 333. a. His tale incredible 5. a. 467. b. His late bragge 5. a. The good that heresie vvorketh to the Church 37. b. Heresie is Idolatrie 42. a. Heresies the destructions of common vveales 81. a. A number of olde condemned heresies renevved by Protestants 57.316 a. b Hildebrand Pope 275. seq Hildebrand had the Spirit of Prophecie 277. a. The fourme of his Election 279. b. Fiue grosse lies in the booke of Homilies touching Images 76. b. 77. a Honorius Pope 217. 218. M. Hornes idle vvanderinge from the purpose 4. a. 53. b. 85. b. 289 a. 321. a. 33â— His tale incredible 5. a. 467. b. His late bragge 5. a. M. Horne no bisshop at al 7. b. 9. a. 301. a. M. Horn contrary to him self 30.39 b. 143. b. 232. a. 247. a. b. 442. a. 447. a 539. a. M. Hornes vnskilfulnes 40. b. M. Horne coÌ„futed by the Chapters and places that him selfe alleageth 41. b. 49. a. 51. b. 103. a. 123. b. 129. b. 130. a. b. 132. a. 140. b. 141. a. 152. a. 158. a. b. 259. b. 161. b. 162. a. 164. a. 166. b. 174.282 a. b. 184. a. 202. b. 215. a. 221. b. 223. a. 231. a. 238. a. 273. a. 277. b. 286. b. 288. b. 294. a. 299. a. 322. b. 323. b. 330.331 b. 334. a. 337. b. 342. a. 343. b. 347. a. b. 353. a. 354. a. 356.357 b. 364. b. 375. b. 378 a. 403. a. 411. b. M. Hornes loose kind of reasoning 202. b. 249. b. 325. a. b. 327. a. 333. a. 343. b. 352. b. 369. b. 375. a. M. Hornes post hast 212. b. 213. a Tvvo legerdemaines of M. Horn. 218. b His great provves 225. b His vvonderful Metamorphosis of S. Peters Keies 226. sequent His rare vvisedome 255. a. 300. a His confuse vvriting 268. b His inconstant dealing 280. a His dissembling of his Authours narration 282. b. 315. b M. Horne plaieth Cacus parte nipping his authours 285. a. 286. a. 288. b 329. a. 330. b. 335. a. 345. b. 350. a. 371. a. b. 374. b. 380. a. 396. b. 398. a. 448. a. 514. a. M. Hornes Impudencie 294. b. M. Horne buildeth vpon the doinges of euill Princes 397. a. 311. b. 362. a. M. Hornes shamefull Ignorance in graÌ„mer 322. b. M. Horne declared an heretike by his ovvne Supreme heades 317. a. 331. a. By his ovvne Antipope 337. b. His meruelous Rhetorike 384. a M. Hornes false Latin 480. b. M. Horne depraueth M. Fekenhams argumentes 396. a. 402.423 b. 451. a. 461. a. 464. a. 487. b. M. Horne driuen to streightes 414. b. 415. a. 486. a. 506. a. M. Hornes foule shifte 430. a. He maketh frustrate all Excommunications in England these 8. yeres 446. b. He limiteth the Statute 451. a. b. His starting holes 499. b. M. Hornes Vntruthes arise to the Number of sixe hundred foure score and ten Per totum Hugh Capet the Frenche king 272. a. Hungarie 300. b. 301. a. I The Ievve of Tevvkesburie 87. b. An after reckoning of certaine of M. Ievvels vntruthes 77. a â–ª 129. b. 135. a. 244. b. 378. b.
382. vntruth For much more was sayed bâ—fore he gaue place The .383 vntruth Sabell falsified as shal appeare Sabellicus The .384 vntruth mere slauÌ„derous The .385 vntruth Sabellicus falsified as shal appeare The .386 vntruth mere slauÌ„derous The .387 vntruth The clergy of Rome not he made all the haste †A lewde lying tale coÌ„trary to al other vvriters Sabel Platina Nauclere Marianê° Anselmus aÌ„d other The .388 vntruth slaunderous in preferriÌ„g the coÌ„dened fable of one maÌ„ before all approued histories The .389 vntruth in coÌ„cealing For straight Nâ—uclere addeth Other and in maner al vvriterâ— report the plaine coÌ„traryâ— Nauclâ—r The .390 vntruth It vvas no Councel but a schismatical conuenticle AueÌ„tinus The .391 vntruth Ridiculous The 392. vntruth Rayling Marianus Scotus saying of Hildebrande Lib. 3. aeta te 6. Conspirantes coÌ„ueneraÌ„t in vnuÌ„ aduersus Dominum aduersus vicariuÌ„ eius papaÌ„ Gregorium VVilliam of Malmes buries sayiÌ„g of the same HildebraÌ„d had the gifte of prophecy Lib. 3. de hist. Anglicana Hildebrand takeÌ„ for the true pope by the godlie aÌ„d Learned bishop Anselmus Vide epist. Anselmi apud Abbatem Opera Sigeberti Archiepiscopi Mogunt VVormaciae coÌ„uentus indicitur In conueÌ„tuÌ„ eum Hugo Cardinalis venit tragoediaÌ„ quandam apud priÌ„cipes de scelesta papae vita coÌ„mentus falsò protulit Naucler gener 36. The crymes layde to Hildebrand were falsely layde to hiÌ„ by the confession of M. Hornes own author vvhom he maketh to be indifferente Gener. 37. Abbas Vrspergens Guiliel Malmesb. li. 3. de hist. Anglicae Blondus Naucler Gener. 36. Pope Hilbrand purgeth him self by receiuing the blessed Sacrament A coniecture vvhie M. Horne is so much offended vvith Hildebrand The cause of the dissention betvvene themperor and pope Hildebrand Naucler gener 36. Naucler gener 36. pag. 135. A iuste iudgemeÌ„t of God againste Henrye the .4 Henry the 4. appeleth to the pope Rom. pontificeÌ„ sanctam â—niuersaleÌ„ sedeÌ„ Romanam appellamus In literis ad Henricum filiuÌ„ Rogamus vos per authoritateÌ„ Ro. ecclesiae cui nos coÌ„mittimus honoreÌ„ regni ne c. Apud queÌ„ si interpellatio vestra nullaque alia interueÌ„tio ad presens prodesse peterit appellamus R. p. sanctaÌ„ vniuersalem R. sedeÌ„ ecclesiam In literis ad episcopos et priÌ„cipes Platina in Alexan. 2. Naucler gener 36. Naucler dict Gene. The same vvriteth Sabellicê° Aenead 9 lib. 3. and Nauclere gener 36. pag. 133. The form of Hildebrands election Aenead 9. lib. 3. Sabell vt supra Sabel Aenead 9. lib. 3. Naucl. generat 36. In Indice lib. inhib Naucler gener 36. Marianus in sinc suae chronogr Sabell Naucler vbi supra Naucler gener 36. pag. 133. Nauclerus generat 37. pag. 144. The .393 vntruth Not for this Supreme â—urisdictioÌ„ in al Eccles. causes whch M Horne vvould proue but only for inuesturing of Bishops The 394. vntruth The Emperour broke his couenaÌ„tes first not the Pope as shal appeare The .395 vntruth The othe of the Italians mencioned in Nauclerus hath no one vvord of any ecclesiasticall thinge or cause A fovvlâ— lye of the Apologie of EnglaÌ„de Dato sibi per manuÌ„ Apostolici priuilegio inuestituâ—ae ecclesiasticae Nauclerus gener 38. In Lateranensi conuentu Sabell Aenead 9. lâ—b 4. Gener. 38. Pag. 183. 191. M. Horns disseÌ„bling of his authors narration The .396 Vntruth Not so vvel by a greate deale Otto Frisingen The .397 vntruth Leud and grosse as shall appeere Naucler The .398 Vntruth Not of the auncient Bisshops but of the old heathen Priestes Naucl. gener 39. The .399 Vntruth Horrible and notorious â–ª as shall appeare Nauclerus Vrspurg Sabellicus The 400. Vntruth False translation vt seditioneÌ„ tolleret That he vvoulde take avvay the sedition not take vp the matter to his ovvne arbitremeÌ„t Vspurg The .401 Vntruth He minded no such matter as shall appeare The .402 Vntruth He vvas gon to this VVilliam before he vvrote to Frederike by Nauclerus The 403. Vntruth That appeareth not in Platina or Nauclerus The .404 vntruth In omitting the next senteÌ„ce vvherein the Popes Primacie ouer the Emperour is manifestlie declared The .405 vntruth For he had none to geue in that behalfe The .406 vntruth In leuing out that which foloweth Pâ—â— vrbeÌ„ equo insidenteÌ„ deducitet de more adorat which shevveth plainely the Emperourâ— inferiournes not primacy The .407 vntruth Rayling ribauldry * If the only theÌ„ hovv is the PriÌ„ce â—ouernour Or if the Prince notvvithstaÌ„dingis vvhi mai not also the Pope be The .408 and .409 vntruthâ— bothe â—launderours neuer able to be proued The .410 vntruth For he speaketh only of the clergi of Rome T. Liuius Lib. 1. Dec. 1. M. Horne playeth Cacus his parte that stole Hercules Oxen. Naucler gener 39. pag. 215. Frederic OctauianuÌ„ Pontificem coÌ„firmat eumque albo equo in sidenteÌ„ per vrbeÌ„ Ticinensem ducit de moâ—e adorat Platina in Alex .3 Tunc Episc. ad pedes so Octauiani prosternuÌ„t Imperator quoque id ipsum fecit vt ab eo indulgentiaÌ„ acciperent sibi obedientiam sacerent Vspurg Quem Imperator in Concilio PapaÌ„ declaratuÌ„ adorauit equuÌ„ eius de more per vrbem deduxit Naucler geuer 39. Supra in the .114 Diuision A fable of the Apology and M. Foxe touching thys Alexander treading on theÌ„perours necke Nauclerus Gener. 40. In his madde Martyrolog Non tibi inquit sed Petro cui successores paâ—eo Naucler dict gener 40. Naucler gener 39. pag. 225. Pag. 226. 1. Cor. 13. Protestants lacke true Charyty NoÌ„ vt iudicaret eos aut causam sedis Apostolicae sed vt à prudentibus viris addisceret cui electo obedire potius deberet â—rsperg Gener. 39. M. Hornâ— extraordinarye processe aÌ„d lewde â—ayling Confu fol. 210. Otto FrigingeÌ„sis Vid. de hoc Nau. gen 41 p. 287. 288. Of .411 the doiÌ„gs of the Kings of this Realme in Eccles. matters before the Conquest looke in the bok De postestate Regia set out by the Prelats 26. Hen. 8. * Polychron Polychro Fabian Polychro Fabian The .412 vntruthe For al this vvas but one Councell * Polychron Polychro Fabian Polychro Fabian The .413 vntruthe FabiaÌ„ saith not so neither by the story appeareth so Polychron Fabian Polychron The .414 vntruth They vvere spred into diuers houses saith Fabian which you leaue out Polychron The .415 vntruthe This So that folovveth not as shall appeare The .416 vntruth He neuer toke hiÌ„ self for such Consyder the substantiall handling of the matter by M. Horn for Englande M. Horn for the firste thousand yeares shevveth no example of his primacie practised then in Britannie Fol. 93. Col. 2. M. Horn begiÌ„neth his newe primacie vvith vvilliam Conquerour as thovvâ—h he had coÌ„quered both the lande and the fayth vvithall Proufs for the popes supremacie in Britanie before the Saxons tyme. Beda hist. Ang. lib. 1. cap. 4. ObsecraÌ„s vt per eiê° mandatuÌ„ Christianê°
no coÌ„spiracy * modestia vestra M Horne nota sit omnibus hominibus The Turke is muche bovvnde to M. Horn aÌ„d to his M. Luther and other his fellovves Art 34. Vide Rofens Vide dubitantium Lindain pag. 322. ex MaÌ„lio â—om 3 in loc Com. pag. 195. Vide Crispinum in historia pseudomartyruÌ„ lib. 5. in Claudio Monerio The .558 Vntruth Shamful For they are your very own as it shall appeare The .559 Vntruth your interpretatioÌ„ agreeth vvith your resolutioÌ„s the interpretation exceptiÌ„g certaine iurisdiction in causes Ecclesiasticall from the Prince vvhereof doth follow that as the resolutions reporte the Othe must not be taken as it lieth Verbatim * So al general couÌ„celles are excluded * VVhy theÌ„ do ye exclude out of the Oth prechiÌ„g MinistriÌ„g of sacrameÌ„ts bindiÌ„g aÌ„d losing etc The .560 vntruth Not against him selfe For first you saied so but in your resolutioÌ„s and interpretation of the Othe you saie the coÌ„trary And so in both places you are truly charged The 561. vntruth M. FekeÌ„ham denieth it not in any his vvordes aboue rehersed The .562 vntruth M. FekeÌ„haÌ„ neuer yelded to any your proofes reasons or Auâ—horites Fol. 96. 97. Fol. 107. 108. Fol. 105.107 A contradiction irrecoÌ„cileable in M. Horne Note Act. 20. Ioan. 20. Math. 16. Act. 8. Heb. 13. Ezech. Ioan. Antoniê° Delph lib. 2. The .563 vntruthe Preachinge and Ministration of Sâ—craments â–ª pertayne not to the secrete Courte of Conscience The .564 vntruthe Neither preaching of the Ghospell nor ministration of the Sacramentâ— is referred to Iurisdiction not cohibitiue by his Author alleaged The .565 vntruthe For there is no suche diuision of the Cohibityue Iurisdiction The .566 vntruthe For excommunication properly belongeth to bisshops The .567 vntruthe Quintinus speaketh there of temporall Iurisdiction not of Ecclesiasticall The .568 vntruthe Antonius falsified He speaketh not of this Iurisdiction that is of that vvhich cometh from the prince onely The .569 vntruthe A great deale left out in the midle â–ª plainly confutinge M. Horns purpose The .570 vntruthe Your own Author Antonius calleth this Opinion ImpiuÌ„ erroreÌ„ a vvicked errour An ansvvere to Io. Anto. Delphinê° Io. Anthonius Delde potesta Eccles. Venet 1552. in 8. Tvvo povvers in the Churche the firste of order or of the keyes the second of iurisdiction Fol. 105. a. Lib. 2. pa. 76. Lib. 2. pa. 36. b. 37. a. Io. Anth. Delph lib. 2. pag. 76. b. Quamuis praelati superioris voluntate quis parochiali sacerdoti subijciatur tameÌ„ nisi ipse vltro subijciat seipsuÌ„ nuÌ„quam poterit absolui à peccatis In secretissimo eniÌ„foro coÌ„scieÌ„tiae nemo absoluitur inuitê° M. Horne in dauÌ„ger of a premunire M. Horns doctrine maketh frustrate al the excoÌ„munications made in England theis .8 yeares An other irrecoÌ„ciliable coÌ„tradictioÌ„ in M. Horne Fol. 3. co 2. 1. Cor. 15. 1. Cor. 4. 1. Tim. 1. 1. Cor. 6. ActoruÌ„ 5. Nicephor lib. 13. cap. 34. IdeÌ„ lib. 12. Cap. 41. See hovv M Horne playeth the Cacuâ— to take avvay the authority of excommunication from the PriÌ„ce IdeÌ„ lib. 2. pag. 84. Determinata in coÌ„cilio confirmare excoÌ„municare excommunicatos cuÌ„ vt decet resipiscunt ecclesiae reconciliare casus reseruare reseruatos casus relaxare dare indulgentias penas quae pro peccatis infliguntur coÌ„mutare Idem Quamuis potestas Ecclesiasticae spiritualisque iurisdictionis conueniat praebeaturque non sacerdotibus noÌ„ tamen puris Laicis neque religiosis corona clericali carentibus Pag. 85. The .571 vntruthe M. FekeÌ„hams obiection is of the first kind not of the secoÌ„d kiÌ„d The .572 vntruthe Sclaunderous M. FekenhaÌ„ reported the effecte of the Othe truely The .573 vntruthe For that is moste true as it shal appeare The .574 vntruth The expresse wordes of the Statute doe geue to the prince povver to Authorise men to vse all maner of iurisdictions as it is here reported absolutely Ergo it geueth to the Prince the iurisdictioÌ„s also * Marke If this iurisdiction be vnited to the croun which the Prince in al maner doth assigne name aÌ„d authorise other to execute why saied you before that the Statute gaue not to the prince all maner of Iurisdictions The .575 vntruthe It is no sophisticatioÌ„ at al you proue no such thing The .576 vntruth For they are not restrained in any part of the Acte The .577 vntruthe This limitatioÌ„ vveÌ„t before it is not added after those general vvordes here noted See the Acte it selfe Againe it is in effecte no limitation at all as shall appeare The .578 vntruthe These words make no limitation of ecclesiastical iurisdiction authorised by the prince neither doe appertayne therevnto The .579 vntruthe This is a false addition not expressed in the Acte but rather denyed by the generality thereof The .580 vntruthe To say so is impâ—us error A vvicked errour by Antonius Delphinus M. Hornes Authour The .581 vntruthe Sclaunderous The vvords of the Acte vvere by M. FekeÌ„ham plainely and truely sette forth The .582 vntruth Ioyned vvith an heresie as shall appeare * Such an euel coÌ„sequeÌ„t you haue vsed throughout your booke of certaine dealings coÌ„cluding supreÌ„ gouernment in al causes The .583 Vntruthe M Fekenham argueth not so * TheÌ„ S. Bernardis a Papist who saith so Epist. 238. Solus ipse Rom. Pont. plenitudineÌ„ habet potestatis The .584 Vntruthe For M. Fek. therby coÌ„cludeth that by such coÌ„missioÌ„ beiÌ„g geueÌ„ to bishops immediatly froÌ„ God in som spirituall causes the PriÌ„ces authorising for al maner of spiritual causes to be vsed and exercised is vvrongfully geuen by the Acte The 585. vntruth ioyned vvith an heresy * Here M. Horne coÌ„deÌ„neth the doinges in kinge Edwardes daies and now also for an horrible absurdite as shall appeare The .586 vntruthe Vnproued as before †A nevv terme for a nevv doctrine †This is againste the Acte For no Iurisdiction vvhat soeuer can be vsed or exercised in EnglaÌ„de vvithout the Princes special commission Act 20. Ioan. 20. Math. 26. Act. 8. M. Horne frameth argumeÌ„ts of his ovvn aÌ„d theÌ„ laieth theÌ„ forth as M. FekenhaÌ„s argumeÌ„tes M. Horne taketh vpoÌ„ him to restrayn the general vvordes of the statute to take avvay from the Prince the Autority of excoÌ„munication See the absurdity of M. Horne in expouÌ„ding the Othe Edvvard 6. Dei grat c ReuereÌ„d Thomae Cant Archiepisc. etc. Quando quideÌ„ omnis iuris diâ—eÌ„di authoritas atque etiaÌ„ iurisdictio omnimoda taÌ„ illa quae Ecclesiastica dicitur ê— secularis à regia potestate velut à supremo cap. c. Dat. 7. die meÌ„s Feb. An. 1546. Regni nostri primo Ibidem Ad ordinaÌ„duÌ„ igitur quoscuÌ„que intra diocoesin tuaÌ„ CaÌ„tuar ac ad omnes etiaÌ„ sacros presbyterariâ—s ordines ê“moueÌ„duÌ„ praesent atosque etiam ad beneficia eccles c. Ibâ—dem Per praesentes ad nostruÌ„ dunt axat beneplacituÌ„ duraturas cuÌ„ cuiuslibet coÌ„gruae Ecclesiasticae coertionis potestate Per literas datas 4.
whome he went about to poyson By reason of which outrages he was as I said denounced enemy to the Church of Rome by Alexander the .4 and shortly after Charles Kinge Lewys his brother was made King of Sicilie by Clemens the .4 paying to the Pope a tribute and holding of him by faithe and homage Such Supreme heads were your Conradus Conradinus and Manfredus As for Charles who only by the Popes Authority came to that dignity as I haue said it is not true that he as you say had all or most of the doing in the election or making of diuerse Popes For the Cardinalls only had the whole doing Truth it is that a strief and contention rising amonge the Cardinals for the election and many of them being enclined to serue Charles expectation they elected those which he best liked of But what can all this make to proue the Prince Supreme Gouernour in al ecclesiastical causes yea or in any ecclesiastical cause at al PriÌ„ces eueÌ„ now adaies find some like fauour sometimes at the electioÌ„ of Popes But thiÌ„k you therfore thei are takeÌ„ of their subiects for Supreme Gouernours c You may be ashamed M. Horne that your reasons be no better M. Horne The .130 Diuision pag. 79. b. Edvvard the first King of Englande about this time made the Statute of Northampton So that after that time no man should geue neither sel nor bequeath neither chauÌ„ge neither bye title assign laÌ„ds tenemeÌ„ts neither reÌ„tes to no maÌ„ of ReligioÌ„ without the KiÌ„gs leaue which acte sence that tyme hath beÌ„ more straightly enacted and deuised with many additioÌ„s thereunto augmeÌ„ted or annexed The which Law saith Polidore he made .442 bicause he was Religionis studiosissimê° c. most studiouse of Religion and most sharpe enemie to the insolency of the Priests The .27 Chapter Of King Edward the first of Englande Stapleton LEaue ones Maister Horne to proue that wherein no man doth stande with you and proue vs that either Kinge Edwarde by this facte was the Supreame Head of the Churche or that the Popes Primacie was not aswel acknowledged in EnglaÌ„d in those dayes as it hath ben in our dayes None of your marginal Authours auouch any such thinge Neither shall ye euer be able to proue it Your authours and many other haue plentiful matter to the contrarye especially the Chronicle of Iohannes Londonensis which semeth to haue liued aboute that tyme and seemeth amonge all other to haue writen of him verie exactlye Lette vs see then whether Kinge Edwarde tooke him selfe or the Pope for the Supreame Head of the Churche This King after his Fathers death returning from the holie Lande in his iourney visited Pope Gregorie the tenthe and obteyned of him an excommunication against one Guido de monte forti for a slawghter he had committed Two yeares after was the famouse Councell holden at Lions at the which was present the Emperour Michael Paleologus of whome we haue somewhat spoken And trowe ye Maister Horne that at suche tyme as the Grecians which had longe renounced the Popes authority returned to their olde obedience againe that the realm of Englande withdrewe it selfe from the olde and accustomable obedience Or trowe ye that the true and worthye Bisshops of England refused that Councell as ye and your fellowes counterfeite and parliament bisshops only haue of late refused the Councel of Trente No no. Our authour sheweth by a verse commonly then vsed that it was frequented of all sorte And the additions to Newburgensis which endeth his storie as the said Iohn doth with this King saith that plures episcopi coÌ„uenerunt de vniuersis terris de Anglia ibidem aderant archiepiscopi Cantuar. Ebor. et caeteri episcopi Angliae ferè vniuersi there came thither manye bisshops from al quarters and from EnglaÌ„d the Archbisshops of Canterburie and Yorke and in a maner all the other bisshops of the realme In this Kinges tyme the Pope did infringe and annichilate the election of the Kings Chauncelour being Bisshop of Bathe and Welles chosen by the monks and placed in the Archebisshoprike of Caunterbury Iohn Pecham In this Kings tyme the yere of our Lorde .1294 the prior of Caunterburie was cited to Rome and in the yeare .1298 appeale was made to the Pope for a controuersie towching the election of a newe Bisshop of Elie. Thre yeres after the bisshop of Chester was constrayned to appeare personally at Rome and to answere to certayne crymes wherewith he was charged Wythin two yeares after was there an other appeale after the death of the Bisshoppe of London towching the election of the newe Bisshoppe Yea the authority of the Pope was in highe estimation not onely for spirituall but euen for temporal matters also The Kinges mother professed her selfe a religiouse woman whose dowrie notwithstandinge was reserued vnto her and confirmed by the Pope For the greate and weightye matters and affaires standing in controuersie and contention betwene this King Edward and the Frenche Kinge the Pope was made arbiter and vmpier who made an agreament and an arbitrimente which being sente vnder his seale was reade in open parliamente at Westmynster and was well liked of all The Kinge and the nobility sendeth in the yeare of our Lorde 1300. letters to the Pope sealed with an hundred seales declaring the right of the crowne of England vpon ScotlaÌ„d and they desire the Pope to defende their right and that he would not geue a light eare to the false suggestioÌ„s of the Scots There are extant at this day the letters of Iohn Baliole and other Scots agnising the said superiority sent to this Kinge Edwarde In the foresaide yeare .1300 the Kinge confirmed the great Charter and the Charter of the Forest and the Archebisshoppe of Caunterburie with the other Bisshoppes pronounced a solemne curse vpon al suche as would breake the sayd liberties This Kinge was encombred with diuerse and longe warres aswell with Fraunce as Scotlande and therefore was fayne to charge the clergy and laity with many payments But in as much as Pope Bonifacius consideringe the wonderfull and intolerable exactions daylie layed vppon the clergy of they re princes had ordeyned in the councell at Lions that from thence forth the clergy shuld pay no tribute or taxe without the knowledge and consente of the see of Rome Robert Archbishop of Canterbury being demaunded a tribute for him self and his clergie stode in the matter not without his great busines and trouble And at the length vpon appellation the matter came to the Popes hearing The kinge had afterwarde by the Popes consente dyuerse payments of the clergy Many other thinges could I lay forth for the popes primacy practised at this tyme in Englande And is nowe M. Horn one onely Acte of Parliament made against Mortmaine of such force with yow that it is able to plucke froÌ„ the Pope his triple Crowne and set yt vppon the kynges head Yf
Mortmaine had bene so straightly sene vnto some hundred yeares before ye should haue fownde your reuenewes I suppose very slender and poore But ye beinge as good a Lawier as ye be either diuine or Chronicler think belyke your self to be out of the gōneshotte ād that Mortmaine reacheth onely to men of relligion And yt semeth so he and his mate may be wel prouided for M. Horne forceth litle howe litle other haue and whether they haue ought or nought Suerly M. Horn it semeth to me straunge that you being a man of the Churche and knowinge that the Clergy hath vppon the great truste that good mē haue had of their vpprightnes and vertue bene endewed with great possessions which in dede should be and commonly haue bene imployed vppō the nedy according to the mynd of the doners shuld fynd fault with Mortmaine and with that which good and well disposed men haue voluntarily offered to the Church to be well and charitably bestowed But I perceyue why ye are an enemy to Mortmaine For nowe haue you and your Madge lyue catle of your owne for the which you haue more care to prouide then for any Mortmaine for your successours in the see But as I was about to tell yow ye must vnderstande that the statute of Mortmaine doth not reache to religious men onely but to bisshops and other spirituall men yea to lay men also And was made aswell for the commodity of spiritualty as temporalty to saue aswell to the one as to thother theire wardes eschetes and other commodities that by mortifying of Lands are wont to followe Well as litle vnderstandinge as maister Horne hath of Mortmaine and as farre as yt is from his principall matter yet will he tell vs also out of Polidore a cause of this Lawe of Mortmaine And then as he is wont he telleth vs a cause fantasied of him selfe Trueth it is that Polidore sayeth that the kinge made this Lawe to represse the riot and excesse of the Clergy but Polidore was a straunger and vnskilful in the Lawes of our realme and therfore he did not fully vnderstand the matter thinking as M. Horn doth that Mortmaine touched the clergy only and yet he sayth it not precisely but vt fertur as yt is sayd It is true also that he sayeth this kinge was moste studiouse of relligion but that he sayeth this in respecte of Mortmaine can not be induced and is nothinge but M. Hornes vayne gheasse and lewde vntruth M. Horne The .131 Diuision pag. 80. a. At this time Philip le Beau the Frēch kīg begā his reign brought vp in the studie of diuinity vnder Aegidius the Romain diuine by .423 vvhose admonitions and also of other diuines the Kinge beinge instructed in his duety aboue al other thinges endeuoured him selfe about the reformation of Religion and ordering of Ecclesiastical matters VVheruppō looking to the state of the Cleargy he .424 deposed a certain Bishop for Heresie ād gaue his Bishoprik to an other and besides claymed the inuestiture of al other Bishops in his dominions and calling Councelles at home in his ovvne Realm woulde suffer none of his Cleargy to goo to the Popes .425 Councelles He caused the Popes .426 Bulles to be burned He cōmaunded the Popes .427 Legates to auoyde his realm He commaunded that no money should be caried out of the Realme to the Pope He sette foorth a Law that no mā shuld goo to Rome out of his kingdom He called a Coūcel at Paris and caused to be gathered thither all the Prelates and Barons of Fraunce to iustifie his doinges He shewed vnto thē why he tooke vppō hī to cal a Coūcel He enueighed against the Pope for heresie Symonie Homicide Pride Ambitiō c. ād that of right he ought therfore to be deposed He demaundeth of the Coūcel vnto whom they be lawfully sworne ād of whō they haue receiued their dignities They al answere that they are al the beneficiaries of hī alone ād that mindful of their Faith and the Kīges estate they would suffer death for his glory power and saulfegard Thervppō he setteth foorth a pragmaticall sanctiō or forceable law to diminishe the dignity of the Pope Many other Ecclesiastical Lavves he made agaīst the Ievves agaīst the Tēplars agaīst adultery c. He .428 made also Clemēt the fifth Pope and svvor hī to certain cōditiōs before hand by vvhose importune meanes also the General coūcel of Viēna vvas holdē In which Coūcel he laboured to haue Pope Boniface cōdēned for an Heretique affirminge that he would proue hī so But the matter vvas .429 takē vp ād to satisfie the king it was decreed that all the processes of Bonifacius against the kīg were vniust and the kinges doinges in any poīt agaīst the Pope shuld not be preiudicial to hī or to his heyers The .28 Chapter of Philip le Beau the Frenche kinge Stapleton A man would thincke that nowe at length M. Horne had fownde some good and effectuall matter for his newe primacy He layeth on suche lode againste the Pope aswell in his texte as in his ioly ranck and rewe of his marginall authours that nowe at the least M. Fekenham must yelde ād subscribe But yet for al this M. Horne I must be playne with yow and tell yow that if ye had shewed your reader the whole and entiere story out of any one of all your owne authours for all ye haue so clerkly and cunningly ordered and placed them with Paulus Aemilius thē with Antoninus Nauclerus Blondus then with Platina and after this with Nauclerus Antoninus Sabellicus and forwith with Nauclerus againe with Sabellicus with Aemilius and after al this with Appendix Vrspergensis and eftsone with Antoninus Nauclerus and finallie with Antoninus againe the whole primacy shuld as it dothe in dede notwithstanding haue remayned with the Pope and not with your Philippe le Beau make him as beau and as faire as ye cā Your souldiers be very thicke and warlyk placed but they stryk neuer a stroke for yowe but that that is all againste yowe Neither wil I here for it nedeth not intermedle with the iustice of the cause of either side Let the fault light where it shuld light and let this Bonifacius be as badde as ye make him thowghe your authour Paulus Aemilius a most worthy Chronicler by the common verdit of all learned writers and auauncing Fraunce as highe as he may with the saufgarde of trueth and veritie thinketh rather the epistles writen betwene the kinge and the Pope wherin eche one chargeth the other with many faultes to be counterfeite then true and authenticall For these matters I wil not at this tyme towche you but for your notable and yet accustomable infidelity in the wretched and miserable mangling and mayming of your owne authors I must nedes say somwhat vnto you Ye doe thē in this reporte of stories as your self and your cōpanions do and