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A33770 Theophilus and Philodoxus, or, Several conferences between two friends the one a true son of the Church of England, the other faln off to the Church of Rome, concerning 1. praier in an unknown tongue, 2. the half communion, 3. the worshipping of images, 4. the invocation of saints / by Gilbert Coles. Coles, Gilbert, 1617-1676. 1674 (1674) Wing C5085; ESTC R27900 233,018 224

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Patriarchs and Prelates Eutyches an Abbot and all these Broachers of Heresie And such Men of Learning and Reputation are likely to do much more mischief in seducing the People then some obscure and simple Phanatics And we have cause to fear that some Mercurial Wits beyond the Seas have laid the Scenes and come over Incognito in the mist of our Distractions and Troubles to act their parts and give Life and Motion to the Phlegmatic Humors of our Separatists who whil'st they dream of Popery and mightily declaim and fight against it are led by many of the Principals and Priests of the Church of Rome upon your account therefore wise Men should with-hold the Scripture rather from the Learned who are able to do most mischief then from the multitude But we affirm neither one nor the other That either Clerks or Pesants should be restrain'd from reading the Bible for their Instruction and Salvation out of a panic fear they should wrest and pervert them to their own destruction and others Every thing that is most useful may become pernicious Will you keep no Fire in your Chimney for fear you should burn your House Phil. a Loco praedict Bellarmine gives another considerable Argument That in the Holy Scriptures there are many seeming Contradictions which if the common People in reading should observe not knowing how to reconcile them they may be apt to question the Infallibility and Truth of the Scripture Theoph. These seeming Contradictions do not easily fall within the Observation of the vulgar but of the Learned and withal they ought to read the Holy Scriptures with veneration and due acknowledgment that they are the infallible Word of God and dictates of his Holy Spirit who cannot lye nor contradict himself and upon this ground when we apprehend any contradiction in Gods Word we must distrust our own Judgment and not question the truth of Holy Scripture in any place but our own apprehension and apply our selves to the Learned for reconciliation and better satisfaction But as to the other part of Bellarmines Assertion Is it possible any should conceive that the Holy Word of God should contribute to the corruption of Mens manners and debauch the Lives of such as study it Phil. Yes of the unwary Reader For he instanceth in that passage of the Canticles Cant. 1. 2. Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth And in another place Cant. 8. 3. His left hand should be under my head and his right hand should embrace me He instances in Davids Adultery and Thamars Incest in the Patriarchs Concubines Now the ruder sort may make ill use of such Expressions and Examples Theoph. And so may a carnal Priest Tit. 1. 15. For unto them that are defiled saith the Apostle nothing is pure but even their mind and conscience is defiled But unto the pure all things are pure And therefore in such cases evil unto him that thinks evil We ought to give unto Spiritual Songs a Spiritual sense and not a sensual Psal 51. Davids Adultery is recorded and his most signal Repentance the Vices of the Patriarchs together with their Virtues to shew they were Men of like Passions with us and subject to Infirmities And the whole design of Scripture tends unto our Sanctification and holiness of Life and therefore one would think may prove a sufficient Antidote against the Infection of such Examples and withal many who never read the Scripture may hear these Stories and not be so well fortified against them Bellarmine I know made himself mirth with a Story related as he saith by a credible Person a Loco cit supra audivi ab homine fide digno c. That a Calvinistical Minister of the Church of England reading the 25 th Chapter of Ecclesiasticus in the vulgar Tongue where much is spoken of the malice and wickedness of a Woman one of his hearers a Woman rose up and said Is this the word of God nay rather of the divel Whereunto I answer That perhaps the poor Wretch before the happy Reformation in England being kept more Romano in great ignorance of the Scriptures thought it strange to hear such passages against her Sex and was promted to Blaspheme whereas had she bin conversant in the Word of God she would have learn'd to Bless and nor Blaspheme to govern her Passion and rule her Tongue and to keep silence at the Church the Apostle not permitting her there to speak c Leo decimus qui dissolute respondit Cardinali Bembo Quantum nobis profuit haec fabula Christi satis est omnibus seculis notum Job Balaeus centuriâ 8 va illustrium scriptorum Britanniae pag 636. And withal the Pope who call'd the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ a Fable was the more notorious Blasphemer As for his taunt of a Calvinistical Minister of the Church of England he knew well that our worthy Reformers chose not Calvin for their Master We are bound to honor him for his great Learning and Labor in the Work of the Lord but not to subscribe in all Points unto his Doctrine or Discipline and yet without doubt John Calvin compar'd with Ignatius Loiola the Father of Bellarmines Order was a Saint Phil. These are Impertinencies to vent your spleen But what say you to Bellarmines next Consideration That if vulgar Translations be permitted they must be changed every Age with the Language of the Country and so there would never be an end of Translating and fit Men to undertake that great Work may probably be wanting Theoph. I say that Bellarmine wanted Modesty and Consideration to assert that which the Experience of all Ages contradicts namely That the vulgar Tongue of every Country changeth for the most part in the compass of an hundred Years whereas his most part must be contracted into some few Words and Phrases every Age refining but not changing or destroying the Language of a People Phil. The last Argument of Bellarmine is this That the Majesty of Divine Service and we may add of the Holy Scripture requires a more grave and venerable Language then is the vulgar And this part of his Argument I have already proposd but that which follows is considerable d Loco citato praesertim cum in Sacris Mysteriis multa sint quae fecreta esse debeant Especially seeing in Holy Mysteries many things there are which should be concel'd from vulgar apprehensions And this Pope Gregory the 7 th urgeth as a reason of his denial unto the request of the Duke of Bohemia that his Subjects might enjoy their public Service b Istudne est verbum Dei imo potius diaboli in the Sclavonian i. e. the vulgar Tongue a Ex hoc nempe saepe volventibus liquet non immerito sacram script omnipotenti Deo placuisse c. Bin. con Tom. 7. part 1. Ep. Greg. l. 7. Epist 11. Vpon due consideration saith he I have observ'd that Almighty God was pleased that the Holy