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A43313 An essay for the discovery and discouraging of the new sprung schism raised and maintained by Mr Simon Henden of Bennenden in Kent. Exhibited in some passages of writing which have gone between Mr John Elmeston of Cranebroke, and the same M. Henden. Published according to order. Elmeston, John.; Henden, Simon, attributed name. 1652 (1652) Wing H1429B; ESTC R216858 34,427 52

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superstitions and inventions in the room of them Christs Ordinances may and do still remain Christs Ordinances for matter and substance though in wrong hands and abused As the great Seale of the Kingdome is still the right and true Seale though in the hands of an usurping Lord Keeper and imployed to wrongfull ends Obj. But the Pope had another Key given him and other Officers as Locusts Revel. 9. Answ. Let it be so that another Key was given to the Pope viz. when he claimed to be an Universal Bishop Christs Vicar and the Head of the Church under him and so usurped an illimitted power in businesses secular and spiritual and that he had with all other Officers called Locusts viz. Monks Friars Priests Abbats Cardinals and the whole Popish Clergy yet with all subtilty he did retain the Key of Christs Discipline in Ordination Excommunication Suspension c. and made use of it to promote his own Kingdom yea and had for substance some of the Officers ordained by Christ such as were Preachers and Administrers of holy things in particular Congregations though under other names as Parsons and Vicars and not without some corruption in their admission and administration Notwithstanding as amongst all the corruptions under Popery Baptism for the substance remained true and right in as much as such as were baptized were baptized In the Name of the Father Sonne and holy Ghost according to the form by Christ appointed Neither have any taught or affirmed That Baptism under Popery was or is null and to be repealed So for the substance a true and right Ministry might be and was there found viz. such a one as by which men were called and set aside to preach the Word and minister the holy things of God Object There was no other face of Officials among Papists but of these Locusts in Luthers time who himself was a Monk Answ. There was among Papists in and before Luthers time Officials as you stile them which are not to be reckoned among these Locusts but such as the holy Ghost in the Apocalyps doth honour and account of as true and worthy Ministers of Christ though what outward calling they had was from Popish Bishops and Presbyters and themselves were Monks and Friars or of some such Popish order It cannot be denied that many of those which during the Apostasie for twelve hundred and sixty years did stand up by Writing and Preaching to witnesse Truth against Popery were Bishops Priests Monks or Friars as in our England Bishop Grosted John Wickliff a Priest in other Countreys Taulerus a Preacher John Hus and Jerom of Prague Priests Savaralona a Monk and one Sylvester a Friar with many other the like All which notwithstanding that their Ordination was according to the times from Popish Bishops and their order superstitious yet the holy Ghost doth reckon of them as Christs faithfull Witnesses and so his true and lawfull Ministers and not any of those Locusts which came out of the smoke of the bottomlesse pit So Chap 1● 6 8 9. there are three Angels which in course follow one another preaching the Gospel and declaiming against Babylon and the Beast Who are these now Not proper Angels coming from heaven but rather according to the currant of Interpreters a series and rank of Ministers which were raised up by the Lord by their preaching to make way for the ruine of the Pope and restoring the Church such as by some learned men are named in particular viz. Ockam John of Gaunt Dantes our John Wickliff John Hus Jerom of Prague Luther men that lived in the Church of Rome had their external calling from that Church were of some of their Popish orders and yet are acknowledged to be Angels as well as those of the seven Churches of Asia that is true Ministers of Christ raised sent and authorized by him It doth not then derogate from the truth of an official Ministry if he be a sound Preacher of the Gospel that a man hath been ordained thereunto by a Bishop Popish not only in regard of the Office but in Doctrine also But this acknowledgment of such for Angels doth approve such Ordination good for substance though in some things it be corrupt and defective as before I said of baptizing It is then a frivolous cavil and which by this sentence of the holy Ghost is put to silence that men make against our English Ministers as Antichristian because ordained by Bishops when such so ordained are called Angels and their Ordination is conferted on them by Bishops which were sound in the profession of the Gospel Presbyters and Preachers of the Gospel and in the worke did joyne other Presbyters with them Object But the visible Church it self failed which is the foundation of these Officials and latter Ordinances and so these must needs fail Answ. This is somewhat indeed Nay so much as will carry the cause if it be made good It is not true as is before shewed That the visible Church is the foundation of these Officials or latter Ordinances but Christs Institution and promise but the visible Church is invested with a power and right to use them and that onely and not any other civil or heretical Society and for the Churches good and service they were by Christ appointed So that if there were in those times of the Apostasie no visible Church it may be granted that they failed since there was no Church which had power to use them or for whose service they were to be used But me thinks for you to say That the visible Church hath failed is much one as if you should affirm That the pillars of the earth were broken down and overthrown For the visible Church standeth on as firm a foundation as they that is Gods Ordinance Power and Faithfulness Concerning which point by a visible Church may be meant a company of Christians with their seed joyned together in one place and setled in a right and compleat order for the worship of God and exercise of all Gods Ordinances Now that there hath been such a visible Church all along the Apostasie in any one place or in many places successively cannot I think easily be shewed nor is it needfull for this matter to be proved Next by a visible Church may be meant a company of persons professing the true Religion abstaining from false worship and worshipping God in a pure way though for the most dispersed in sundry places and meetings for Gods worship but in small companies Such a Church of God certainly hath been and shall be perpetual Such a Church of God there was in Israel under their great Apostasie viz. A company that did not bow the knee to Baal 1 King 18. 19. and did in solemn times meet for the main parts of Gods worship as hearing of his Word and Prayer 2 Kings 4. 23. though not for Sacrifice which ordinarily was onely to be offered at the Temple Such a one was there under the Babylonish Captivity