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A10973	Two dialogues, or conferences (about an old question lately renued, and by the schismaticall company, both by printed pamphlets, and otherwise to the disturbance of the Churches quiet, and of peaceable minds, very hotly pursued.) Concerning kneeling in the very act of receiuing the sacramental bread and wine, in the Supper of the Lord The former betweene two ministers of the word, the one refractarie, and depriued; the other not so. The latter betweene an humorous schismatike and a setled professor.	Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616.	1608 (1608)	STC 21241; ESTC S116109	75,976	132

kneele at our chiefest prayers and praisings of God bee a communicating with the Church of Rome wee would also most willingly communicate withall in their worship and doctrine And we wish and pray that as we conuert some of their vsages to God his glory so they may be conuerted vnto the same doctrine and worship among vs that with our heart and forme aswell of doctrine and worship as ceremonies wee may glorifie God together in this world In the meane while wee shall and as much doe dislike your sitting who are like vs in the maine points of doctrine as we like of their kneeling in it one nature considered who are most vnlike vs in doctrine and the true worship of God For we hold it better to come neere the superstitious Papists who make showes of great deuotion at Kneeling than to prophane persons in sitting at the communion a signe of no deuotion or of very smal especially in these dayes wherein wee are to feare more the ouerflowing of Atheisme then th' encrease of superstitiō When wee haue no communion with Antichrist in Idolatrie and false doctrine why should you refuse to cōmunicate with vs Christians because of our kneeling S. It was the greatest scandal that euer was or can be P. Kneeling no not at the communion is not any scandall in our Church sitting is And if Kneeling bee it is a scandall taken not giuen but your sitting is a scandall both giuen and taken and therefore the greatest scandall whereas the other is none at all But seeing you haue sayd it show why kneeling is the greatest scandall that euer was or can be S. It is so in regard of those euils it doth occasionally teach or confirme P. If our doctrine as it doth not teacheth no such euils and heresies Kneeling of it selfe doth not so much as occasionably teach or confirme them But our doctrine is most pure and sound no Papist can shew no Schismatick will say no aduersary what-so-euer shall euer proue the contrary You are answered for this point haue you no other thing to say why our Kneeling is so scandalous yea the greatest scandall that euer was or can be S. Yes it is so also in regard of multitudes indeed the most part of the people either not sufficiently instructed in the right vnderstanding and vse of the Sacraments and therefore carried with a blind zeale learned by tradition or corrupted more or lesse with the leauen of Popery P. We are sure and all the world will witnesse that Puritas doctrinae viget in Anglia true religion flourisheth in England the people at no time was euer so diligently and soundly taught both what to beleeue how to liue as they are at this day and for these many yeeres together haue beene in our Church If multitudes not-with-standing remaine yet blind and ignorant it is the fault either of their owne dulnesse that cannot or negligence that will not or sinnes that they shall not profit by the word The care of their gouernors hath beene great and singular that they might grow vp and increase in all godly knowledge and affections especially in the Sacrament Therefore if any or many either be not sufficiently instructed in the right vnderstanding and vse of the Sacraments or be corrupted more or lesse with the leauen of Popery what is all this to the church of England which both desireth and ordereth so farre as in her is that all may be instructed that sufficiently in the right vnderstanding and vse of the Sacraments and also both teacheth the doctrine of Christ very substantially and administreth the Sacraments most sincerely Lay not the faults and corruptions of the multitude vpon the Church of England and her lawes S. The vulgar people for a great part in regarde of their weakenesse are endangered by this gesture either groslie to commit the idolatry of Papists or to haue a superstitious estimation of the outward elements P. The vulgar people would neuer haue those thoughts did not either our aduersaries the Papists poison them with Popish conceits cleane contrary to the purport meaning of the church of England or you Schismatikes enforme them that we either commit Idolatry or make show that we so do by our Kneeling but all of you most falsly and slanderously The gesture as it is appointed doth endanger them no whit but it is partly the Papists suggestions that they must not Kneele vnlesse they doe adore the Sacrament which yet are the signes of the most ignorant among them and partly our schismaticall whisperings that the people do adore or make show of adoring bread and wine when they do Kneele that doth endanger the people and trouble vs all making the multitude for a great part eyther open Recusants because they may not adore or dangerous sectaries in that they will not Kneele which they thinke to be idolatrous adoration S. The rather encline the people to Popery because by the 21. Canon it is prouided that no bread and wine newly brought shall be vsed but first the words of Institution shall bee rehearsed when the said bread and wine be present vpon the Communion table As if the words were incantations and the table like an Altar which sanctifieth the sacrifice P. Kinde and naturall children will lesson and extenuate their mothers fault but neuer aggrauate her offences much lesse raise slanders of her when shee deserues none Yee are most vnkinde to your Mother the church of England which hath conceiued and tenderly fed you with the food of Gods word and refreshed you with the heauenly comforts of his Sacraments This our mother and the holy Sacrament will haue vs put in minde both who is the author of those holy mysteries and why they are instituted and all to raise vp in vs a more reuerend respect of those sacred signes when shee doth nothing but well and to our singular good shall we vnkindly turne her good directions and instructions into euill and say she is faultie when she deserueth praise shee would haue vs to approach vnto the holy Supper as to an heauenly banquet you belike would haue vs thether to repaire as vnto a common feast Is shee that inspireth vs with diuine thoughts or you rather which receiue or would haue vs to resort vnto the supper as vnto a common feast shee enioying the diuine words of institution you leauing them quite out as if we were but at a ciuill and homely dinner or supper faultie And what herein doth she contrary to Gods word or differing from the example of Christ who took bread and wine and before hee distributed them or his Disciples did eate gaue thanks and shewed what they signified and why instituted Tell what in the words of our booke is erronious What in the forme superstitious If you cannot be ashamed to tearme such diuine wordes Incantations which are holy instructions ministring necessary and diuine meditations vnto our selues and making the table yea our Altar and all there-vppon most