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A95896 Reverend sir, having lately received from you, by the hands of my loving neighbour and friend Mris. Ducker, a booke undeserved and unexpected savour, one of your last books, intituled, Innocencie and Truth triumphing together I acknowledge it a just engagement of obliged gratitude, and therefore, accordingly, I doe here returne you deserved and most humble thankes for the same, by the same friendly hand. ... Vicars, John, 1579 or 80-1652. 1645 (1645) Wing V325; Thomason 669.f.10[16]; ESTC R210322 3,288 4

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Reverend Sir HAving lately received from you by the hands of my loving Neighbour and Friend Mris Ducker a booke undeserved and unexpected favour one of your last bookes intituled Innocencie and Truth triumphing together I acknowledge it a just engagement of obliged gratitude and therefore accordingly I doe here returne you deserved and most humble thankes for the same by the same friendly hand And because worthy Sir I conceived and considered with my selfe that you sent it by way of love and desire to give mee who am as I acknowledge a poore and unworthy Presbyterian satisfaction if it might bee touching your Independent Church-way I having now perused it all over even à capite ad calcem and I hope with that pietie and impartialitie as my God hath enabled mee which becomes a Christian and fellow-servant to the same Lord Jesus Christ with you I therefore hope you will not so much pardon which I pray not as accept which I heartily desire with Christian Candor mine ingenuitie and plaine dealing with you in now giving you an account briefely as I thought it most fit of what light or content and satisfaction I have received from it Truely Sir I having read your Epistle to the Reader found therein very full and faire promise of your ingenuous ayme and intention in the subsequent discourse viz. that you projected foure things therein Brevitie Perspicuitie Moderation and Satisfaction But having I say purused your Booke truely Sir if I am not mistaken as I beleeve I am not you have come extreame short of your promised project in every of the foure branches thereof For first if I found you short I am sure I found you sharpe and tart For Perspicuitie I assure you I found much cloudie obscuritie Veri similitudinem multam non ipsam veritatem satisfaction therefore none at all But especially in that of projected moderation and promised temperature in writing the great defect and foule fault so cryed out upon by Independents against all Presbyterian Writers or Speakers in stead of moderation I found abundance of bitternesse and unsavory jerkes and jeers the light issues mee thought rather of a youthfull green-head than the solid expressions of a grave heart sprinkled almost over all your whole discourse which I must confesse much troubled and affected mee with wonder to meet with after such a seeming promise of moderation Some few of very many whereof because I knew Dolosus versatur in generalibus I have here particularized with their pages where they are evidently and easily to bee seene As first to omit your Via Sanguinea with all its most bitter and biting yea sorely wounding expositions of that terme in your Theomachia c. Pag. 13. you compare Mr. Prynne in his Reply to the two false witnesses who falsely accused our blessed Saviour And in the same Page you tell the Reader Here Mr. Prynne vapours in his Reply and immediatly after in the same page how notably doe you jeere and scoffe him about three Tabernacles And with what an elated spirit doe you answer him page 16. line 4. together with a downe-right jeere about a Nationall Church some 12. lines after You also grossely tax him with errors Page 17. Sect. 21. And Page 18. and 19. you frequently jeere him and among those jeeres you tell him that Acts 15. is onely Mr. Prynnes Gospel what a bitter and unchristian censure lay you upon him and all Presbyterians Page 24. Sect. 26. towards the end of it And ô how you jeere him with his quotations Page 37. towards the bottome as also Page 49. and Page 51. you slander him with want of Reason and Truth too and Page 52. you tell him his pen spits black reproaches in the face of Independents You also accuse him Page 65. of much untruth and the same also againe most fouly Page 84. Together with a Notable jeere exalting your selfe and vilifying Mr. Prynne which I have noted at large in your booke Page 85. Together with very many other such like expressions too tedious to bee here recited And yet strange to consider you conclude them all with the conclusion of your booke Page 99. in a hortatorie way to Mr. Prynne in these words That hee would put lesse Vinegar and Gall into his Inke and more Wooll and Cotten And in the Apostles words Ephes 4. 31. That all bitternesse and evill speaking bee put away as becomes Brethren And now any impartiall person may judge whether you your selfe have followed this brotherly exhortation Nay whether contrariwise you have not with unbrotherly aspersions indeavoured to besmeare the face of that precious Gentleman most worthy ever to bee honored both by you all and us all Truely Sir you Independent Gentlemen have dealt with this most worthy servant of the Lord just as the people of Lystra did with the Apostle Paul whom at first they so honored and admired as that they were ready to deifie him and make him a God but shortly after they furiously indeavored to stone him to death So yee at the first in the time of Mr. Prynnes first most elaborate and learned divine writings yea and for his most glorious and Saint-like sufferings O then how yee all with us most highly and that most justly too honored him and brought him home from banishment as it were in the triumphing Chariot of your love and prayses But now since hee hath piously and faithfully written against your Independent way and onely for this O how have you and almost all of your way indeavored as much as in you is to stone to death his illustrious reputation by most unworthy and unchristian reviling and vilipending of him both in words and writings Even him I say who for his pietie humilitie incomparable constancy fortitude and magnanimitie in suffering for Gospel Truths was not inferiour to any of his most faithfull fellow-sufferers yea whose soundnesse and sinceritie whose profound learning and indefatigable labours in writing upon deepest points of Divinitie and controverted Gospel Truths witnesse his Perpetuitie of the estate of a regenerate man his Anti-Arminianisme Unbishoping of Timothy and Titus his Histrio-Mastix and many other his later most learned orthodox and precious peeces have made his never-dying name and fame most worthily renowned both in England and other parts of the world beyond the Seas And yet this noble Gentleman to bee thus I say besmeared and bespattred with your unjust accusations onely I say againe for writing the Truth against Independent novelties O! it is most sad and bad to consider Truely Sir you must here give mee leave to bee yet more plaine with you I professe in the sinceritie of my soule that I doe most groundedly beleeve that had Mr. Prynne beene such a Non-sense Consciencelesse Irrationall false and frivolous writer as you and others of your way onely have strugled but all in vaine to make and demonstrate him by your lavish tongues and pens that yet I say certainly Mr. John Goodwin was the most unfit man of all I know in London to lay those undeserved criminations to Mr. Prynnes charge For you know good Sir that Qui in alterum paratus est dicere ipsum vitio carere oportet For you therefore Reverend Sir to take upon you to tax Mr. Prynne of errours untruths and such like as you have done it was surely most absurd and unbeseeming you for it is too well knowne how deepely you your self before ever this most unhappy and unholy difference of Independency with Presbytery was dream'd of have beene censured both of Socinianisme and how justly too others have most learnedly in publick declared and more lately also how you have beene discovered to hold a most dangerous yea a most damnable opinion as a learned Independent brother of yours termed it in my hearing and who then said hee would justifie it against you touching justifying Faith by Christ And now also how fiercely you are fallen on this unhappily disturbant new way of Independencie I beseech you therefore Reverend Sir seriously to consider these things to muster up your saddest thoughts and to see into what a Labyrinth you are strangely and strongly intricated Sir I doe not I cannot denie but ingenuously confesse that God hath given you much learning and eminent parts but truely Sir if I bee not mistaken I greatly feare your Independent Proselytes doe too much magnifie if not almost deifie you for them and as it was with Pythagoras his Scholars an Ipse dixit is enough I feare for many if not most of your disciples jurare in verba Magistri Whereby I pray God your great parts and gifts bee not thus a great Snare to your soule which I much feare if not timely and truely seene into and prevented by Cordiall selfe-denyall and holy humilitie in your selfe being more kindly affectioned with brotherly love and in honour preferring others before your felfe Rom. 12. 10. And thus Reverend Sir I have made humbly bold by your owne occasion lovingly and I hope fairely and friendly as a poore true Christian brother ought Levit. 19. 17. Liberare animam meam and thus to manifest my reciprocall love and gratitude unto you praying our good God it may bee accepted with the like right handed Christian Candor and simplicitie of heart with which it is sent and intended I humbly take my leave and rest Sir Yours in our great Lord and Master Christ Jesus to be commanded JOHN VICARS Ian. this 18. 1644. Imprimatur Ja. Cranford Jan. 24. 1644. London Printed for Michael Sparke Senior at the Blew Bible in Greene Arbor 1645. To his Reverend and much respected good Friend Mr. John Goodwin be these I pray presented