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A14868 A discourse of English poetrie Together, with the authors iudgment, touching the reformation of our English verse. By VVilliam VVebbe. Craduate [sic]. Webbe, William.; Virgil. Bucolica. 1-2. English. 1586 (1586) STC 25172; ESTC S111629 51,720 84

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thou from idlenes and euer be stable Martiall a most dissolute wryter among all other yet not without many graue and prudent spéeches as this is one worthy to be marked of these fond youthes which intangle theyr wytts in raging loue who stepping once ouer shoes in theyr fancyes neuer rest plunging till they be ouer head and eares in their follie If thou wylt-eschewe bitter aduenture And auoyde the annoyance of a pensifull hare Set in no one person all wholly thy pleasure The lesse maist thou ioy but the lesse shalt thou smart These are but fewe gathered out by happe yet sufficient to shewe that the wise and circumspect Readers may finde very many profitable lessons dispersed in th●…●…orkes neither take any harme by reading such Poemes but good if they wil themselues Neuertheles I would not be thought to hold opinion that the reading of them is so tollerable as that there neede no respect to be had in making choyse of readers or hearers for if they be prohibited from the tender and vnconstant wits of children and young mindes I thinke it not without great reason neyther am I of that deuillish opinion of which some there are and haue beene in England who hauing charge of youth to instruct them in learning haue especially made choyse of such vn childish stuffe to reade vnto young Schollers as it shoulde seeme of some filthy purpose wylfully to corrupt theyr tender mindes and prepare them the more ready for their loathsome dyetts For as it is sayd of that impudent worke of Luciane a man were better to reade none of it then all of it so thinke I that these workes are rather to be kept altogether from children thē they should haue frée liberty to reade them before they be méete either of their owne discretion or by héedefull instruction to make choyse of the good from the badde As-for our Englishe Poetrie I know no such perilous péeces except a fewe balde ditties made ouer the Béere potts which are nothing lesse then Poetry which anie man may vse and reade without damage or daunger which indeede is lesse to be meruailed at among vs then among the olde Latines and Gréekes Considering that Christianity may be a state to such illecibrous workes and inuentions as among them for their Arte sake myght obtaine passage Nowe will I speake some what of that princelie part of Poetrie wherein are displaied the noble actes and valiant exploits of puissaunt Captaines expert souldiers wise men with the famous reportes of auncient times such as are the Heroycall workes of Homer in Gréeke and the heauenly verse of Virgils AEneidos in Latine which workes comprehending as it were the summe and grounde of all Poetrie are verelie and incon●…parably the best of all other To these though wee haue no English worke aunswerable in respect of the glorious ornaments of gallant handling yet our auncient Chroniclers and reporters of our Countrey affayres come most néere them and no doubt if such regarde of our English spéeche and curious handling of our verse had béene long since thought vppon and from time to time béene pollished and bettered by men of learning iudgement and authority it would ere this haue matched them in all respects A manifest example thereof may bée the great good grace and swéete vayne which Eloquence hath attained in our spéeche because it hath had the helpe of such rare and singuler wits as from time to time myght still adde some amendment to the same Among whom I thinke there is none that will gainsay but Master Iohn Lilly hath deserued moste high commendations as he which hath stept one steppe further therein then any either before or since he first began the wyttie discourse of his Euphues Whose workes surely in respecte of his singuler eloquence and braue composition of apt words and sentences let the learned examine and make tryall thereof thorough all the partes of Rethoricke in fitte phrases in pithy sentences in gallant tropes in flowing spéeche in plaine sence and surely in my iudgment I thinke he wyll yéelde him that verdict which Quintilian giueth of bothe the best Drators Demosthenes and Tully that from the one nothing may be taken away to the other nothing may be added But a more néerer example to prooue my former assertion true I meane y e méetnesse of our spéeche to receiue the best forme of Poetry may bée taken by conference of that famous translation of Master D. Phaer with the coppie it selfe who soeuer please with courteous iudgement but a little to compare and marke them both together and weigh with himselfe whether the English tongue might by little and little be brought to the verye maiesty of a ryght Heroicall verse First you may marke how Virgill alwayes ●…itteth his matter in hande with wordes agréeable vnto the same affection which he expresseth as in hys Tragicall exclamations what pathe●…all spéeches he frameth in his com fortable consolations howe smoothely hys verse runnes in his dreadfull battayles and ●…réery byckerments of warress howe bygge and boystrous his wordes sound and the like notes in all partes of his worke may be obserued Which excellent grace and comely kind of choyse if the translatour hath not hitte very neere in our course English phrase iudge vprightly wee wyll conferre some of the places not picked out for the purpose but such as I tooke turning ouer the Booke at randon When the Troyans were so tost about in tempestious wether caused by AEolus at AEunoes request and driuen vpon the coaste of Affrick with a very néere scape of their liues AEneas after hée had gone a land and kylled plenty of victuals for his company of Souldiours hée deuided the same among them and thus louinglie and swéetely he comforted them AEn Lib. 1. et dictis moerentia pectora mulcet O socij neque ignari sumus ante malorum O pa●… grau●…ora dabit deus his quoque finem Uos et scyllaeam rabiem penitusque sonantes Accestis scopulos vos et cyclopea saxa Experti reuocate animos maestumque timorem Mittite forsan et haec olim meminisse i●…uabit Per varios casus per tot discrimina rerum Tendimus in Latium sedes vbi fata quietas Ostendunt illic fas regna resurgere troiae Durate et vosmet rebus seruate secundis Talia v●…ce refert curisque ingentibus aeger Spem vuliu simulat premit altum corde dolor●…m Translated thus And then to chéere their heauy barts with these words he bim bent O Mates quoth he that many a woe haue bidden and borne ere thvs Worse haue we séene and this also shall end when Gods wyll is Through Sylla rage ye wott and through the roaring rocks we past Though Cyclops shore was full of feare yet came we through at last Plucke vppe your harts and driue from thence both feare and care away To thinke on this may pleasure be perhapps another day By paynes and many a daunger sore by sundry chaunce we wend To
mens iudgements hath neuer attained to anie sufficient ripenes nay not ful auoided the reproch of barbarousnes in Poetry the rudenes of the Countrey or basenesse of wytts or the course Dialect of the speeche experience vtterlie disproueth it to be anie of these what then surelie the canckred enmitie of curious custome which as it neuer was great freend to any good learning so in this hath it grounded in the most such a negligent perswasion of an impossibilitie in matching the best that the finest witts and most diuine heades haue contented them selues with a base kinde of fingering rather debasing theyr faculties in setting forth theyr skyll in the coursest manner then for breaking custome they would labour to adorne their Countrey and aduaunce their style with the highest most learnedst toppe of true Poetry The rudenes or vnaptnesse of our Countrey to be either none or no hinderaunce if reformation were made accordinglie the exquisite excellency in all kindes of good learning nowe flourishing among vs inferiour to none other nation may sufficiently declare That there be as sharpe and quicke wittes in England as euer were among the peerelesse Grecians or renowmed Romaines it were a note of no witte at all in me to deny And is our speeche so course or our phrase so harshe that Poetry cannot therein finde a vayne whereby it may appeare like it selfe why should we think so basely of this rather then of her sister I meane Rethoricall Eloquution which as they were by byrth Twyns by kinde the same by originall of one descent so no doubt as Eloquence hath founde such fauourers in the English tongue as she frequenteth not any more gladly so would Poetrye if there were the like welcome and entertainment gyuen her by our English Poets without question aspyre to wonderfull perfection and appeare farre more gorgeous and delectable among vs. Thus much I am bolde to say in behalfe of Poetrie not that I meane to call in question the reuerend and learned workes of Poetrie written in our tongue by men of rare iudgement and most excellent Poets but euen as it were by way of supplication to the famous and learned Lawre●t Masters of Englande that they would but consult one halfe howre with their heauenly Muse what credite they might winne to theyr natiue speeche what enormities they might wipe out of English Poetry what a fitte vaine they might frequent wherein to shewe forth their worthie faculties if English Poetrie were truely reformed and some perfect platforme or Prosodia of versifying were by them ratifyed and sette downe eyther in immitation of Greekes and Latines or where it would skant abyde the touch of theyr Rules the like obseruations selected and established by the naturall affectation of the speeche Thus much I say not to perswade you that are the fauourers of Englishe Poetry but to mooue it to you beeing not the firste that haue thought vpō this matter but one that by cōsent of others haue taken vppon me to lay it once again in your wayes if perhaps you may stumble vppon it and chance to looke so lowe from your diuine cogitations when your Muse mounteth to the starres and ransacketh the Spheres of heauen whereby perhaps you may take compassion of noble Poetry pittifullie mangled and defaced by rude smatterers and barbarous immitatours of your worthy studies If the motion bee worthy your regard it is enough to mooue it if not my wordes woulde sim ply preuaile in perswading you and therefore I rest vppon thys onely request that of your courtesies you wyll graunt passage vnder your fauourable corrections for this my simple censure of English Poetry wherein if you please to runne it ouer you shall knowe breefely myne opinion of the most part of our accustomed Poets and particularly in his place the lyttle somewhat which I haue sifted out of my weake brayne concerning thys reformed verfifying VV VV A Discourse of Englishe Poetrie INtending to write some discourse of English Poetrie I thinke it not amysse if I speake something generally of Poetrie as what it is whence it had the beginning and of what estimation it hath alwayes béene and ought to be among al sorts of people Poetrie called in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 beeing deriued from the Uerbe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifieth in Latine facere in English to make may properly be defined the arte of making which word as it hath alwaies beene especially vsed of the best of our English Poets to expresse y t very faculty of speaking or wryting Poetically so doth it in deede containe most fitly the whole grace and property of the same ye more fullye and effectually then any other English Uerbe That Poetry is an Arte or rather a more excellent thing then can be contayned wythin the compasse of Arte though I neede not stande long to prooue both the witnes of Horace who wrote de arte Poetica and of Terence who calleth it Artem Musicam and the very naturall property thereof may sufficiently declare The beginning of it as appeareth by Plato was of a vertuous and most deuout purpose who witnesseth that by occasion of méeting of a great company of young men to solemnize y e feasts which were called Panegeryca and were wont to be celebrated euery fift yeere there they that were most pregnant in wytt and indued with great gyfts of wysedome knowledge in Musicke aboue the rest did vse commonly to make goodly verses measured according to the swéetest notes of Musicke containing the prayse of some noble vertue or of immortalitie or of some such thing of greatest estimation which vnto them séemed so heauenly and ioyous a thing that thinking such men to be inspyrde with some diuine instinct from heauen they called them Vates So when other among them of the finest wits and aptest capacities beganne in imitation of these to frame ditties of lighter matters and tuning them to the stroake of some of the pleasantest kind of Musicke then began there to growe a distinction and great diuersity betwéene makers and makers Whereby I take it beganne thys difference that they which handled in the audience of the people graue and necessary matters were called wise men or eloquent men which they meant by Uates and the rest which sange of loue matters or other lighter deuises alluring vnto pleasure and delight were called Poetae or makers Thus it appeareth both Eloquence and Poetrie to haue had their beginning and originall from these exercises béeing framed in such swéete measure of sentences pleasant harmonic called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is an apt composition of wordes or clauses drawing as it were by force y e hearers eares euen whether soeuer it lysteth that Plato affirmeth therein to be contained 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 an inchauntment as it were to perswade them anie thing whether they would or no. And héerehence is sayde that men were first withdrawne from a wylde and sauadge kinde of life to ciuillity and gentlenes
not albeit is well knowne he altogether wanted not learning no doubt would haue attayned to the excellencye of those famous Poets For gyfts of wytt and naturall prompt nes appeare in him aboundantly I might next speake of the dyuers workes of the olde Earle of Surrey of the L. Vaus of Norton of Bristow Edwardes Tusser Churchyard VVyl Hunnis Haiwood Sand Hyll S. Y. M. D. and many others but to speake of their seuerall gyfts and aboundant skyll shewed forth by them in many pretty and learned workes woulde make my discourse much more tedious I may not omitte the deserued commendations of many honourable and noble Lordes and Gentlemen in her Maiesties Courte which in the rare deuises of Poetry haue béene and yet are most excellent skylfull among whom the right honourable Earle of Oxford may challenge to him selfe the tytle of y e most excellent among the rest I can no longer forget those learned Gentlemen which tooke such profitable paynes in translating the Latine Poets into our English tongue whose desertes in that behalfe are more then I can vtter Among these I euer estéemed and while I lyue in my conceyt I shall account Master D. Phaer without doubt the best who as indéede hee had the best péece of Poetry whereon to sette a most gallant verse so performed he it accordingly and in such sort as in my conscience I thinke would scarcely be doone againe if it were to doo again Notwithstanding I speak it but as myne own fancy not preiudiciall to those that list to thinke otherwyse Hys worke whereof I speake is the englishing of AEneidos of Virgill so farre foorth as it pleased God to spare him life which was to the halfe part of the tenth Booke the rest béeing since wyth no lesse commendations finished by that worthy scholler and famous Phisition Master Thomas Twyne Equally with him may I well adioyne Master Arthur Golding for hys labour in englishing Ouids Metamorphosis for which Gentleman surely our Country hath for many respects greatly to gyue God thankes as for him which hath taken infinite paynes without ceasing trauelleth as yet indefatigably and is addicted without society by his continuall laboure to profit this nation and spéeche in all kind of good learning The next very well deserueth Master Barnabe Googe to be placed as a painefull furtherer of learning hys helpe to Poetry besides hys owne deuises as the translating of Pallengenius Lodiac Abraham Flemming as in many prety Poesis of hys owne so in translating hath doone to hys commendations To whom I would heere adioyne one of hys name whom I know to haue excelled as well in all kinde of learning as in Poetry most especially and would appeare so if the dainty morselles and fine poeticall inuentions of hys were as common abroade as I knowe they be among some of hys fréendes I wyl craue leaue of the laudable Authors of Seneca in English of the other partes of Ouid of Horace of Mantuan and diuers other because I would hasten to ende thys rehearsall perhappes offensyue to some whom eyther by forgetfulnes or want of knowledge I must néedes ouer passe And once againe I am humbly to desire pardon of the learned company of Gentlemen Schollers and students of the Uniuersities and Innes of Courte yf I omitte theyr seuerall commendations in this place which I knowe a great number of them haue worthely deserued in many rare deuises and singuler inuentions of Poetrie for neither hath it béene my good happe to haue séene all which I haue hearde of neyther is my abyding in such place where I can with facility get knowledge of their workes One Gentleman notwithstanding among them may I not ouer slyppe so farre reacheth his fame and so worthy is he if hee haue not already to weare the Lawrell wreathe Master George VVhetstone a man singularly well skyld in this facul ty of Poetrie To him I will ioyne Anthony Munday an earnost traueller in this arte and in whose name I haue séene very excellent workes among which surely the most exquisite vaine of a witty poeticall heade is shewed in the swéete sobs of Shéepheardes and Nymphes a worke well worthy to be viewed and to bée estéemed as very rare Poetrie With these I may place Iohn Graunge Knyght VVylmott Darrell F. C. F. K. G. B. and many other whose names come not nowe to my remembraunce This place haue I purposely reserued for one who if not only yet in my iudgement principally deserueth the tytle of the rightest English Poet that euer I read that is the Author of the Shéepeheardes Kalender intituled to the woorthy Gentleman Master Phillip Sydney whether it was Master Sp. or what rare Scholler in Pembrooke Hall soeuer because himself and his fréendes for what respect I knowe not would not reueale it I force not greatly to sette downe sorry I am that I can not find none other with whom I might couple him in this Catalogue in his rare gyft of Poetry although one there is though nowe long since seriously occupied in grauer studies Master Gabriell Haruey yet as he was once his most special fréende and fellow Poet so because he hath taken such paynes not onely in his Latin Poetry for which he enioyed great com mendations of the best both in iudgment and dignity in thys Realme but also to reforme our English verse and to beautify the same with braue deuises o which I thinke the chéefe lye bidde in hatefull obscurity therefore wyll I aduenture to sette them together as two of the rarest witts and learnedst masters of Poetrie in England Whose worthy and notable skyl in this faculty I would wysh if their high dignities and serious businesses would permit they would styll graunt to bee a furtheraunce to that reformed kinde of Poetry which Master Haruey did once beginne to ratify and surely in mine opinion if hée had chosen some grauer matter and handled but with halfe that skyll which I knowe he could haue doone and not powred it foorth at a venture as a thinge betwéene iest and earnest it had taken greater effect then it did As for the other Gentleman if it would please him or hys fréendes to let those excellent Poemes whereof I know he hath plenty come abroad as his Dreames his Legends his Court of Cupid his English Poet with other he shoulde not onely stay the rude pens of my selfe and others but-also satisfye the thirsty desires of many which desire nothing more then to see more of hys rare inuentions If I ioyne to Master Haruey hys two Brethren I am assured though they be both busied with great and waighty callinges the one a godly and learned Diuine the other a famous and skylfull Phisition yet if they lysted to sette to their helping handes to Poetry they would as much beautify and adorne it as any others If I let passe the vncountable rabble of ryming Ballet makers and compylers of sencelesse sonets who be most busy to stuffe euery stall full of