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A90752	A description of the famous. Kingdome of Macaria; shewing its excellent government : wherein the inhabitants live in great prosperity, health, and happinesse; the king obeyed, the nobles honoured; and all good men respected, vice punished, and vertue rewarded. An example to other nations. In a dialogue between a schollar and a traveller.	Hartlib, Samuel, d. 1662.; Plattes, Gabriel, fl. 1638-1640, attributed name.	1641 (1641)	Wing P2409A; Thomason E173_28; ESTC R16655	6,863	19

A DESCRIPTION OF THE FAMOUS KINGDOME OF MACARIA SHEWING ITS EXCELLENT GOVERNMENT WHEREIN The Inhabitants live in great Prosperity Health and Happinesse the King obeyed the Nobles honoured and all good men respected Vice punished and vertue rewarded An Example to other Nations In a Dialogue between a Schollar and a Traveller LONDON Printed for Francis Constable Anno 1641. TO THE HIGH AND HONOURABLE COURT OF PARLIAMENT WHereas I am confident that this Honorable Court will lay the Corner Stone of the worlds happinesse before the final recesse thereof I have adventured to cast in my widowes mite into the Treasurie not as an Instructer or Counsellour to this Honourable Assembly but have delivered my conceptions in a Fiction as a more mannerly way having for my pattern Sir Thomas Moore and Sir Francis Bacon once Lord Chancellour of England and humbly desire that this honourable Assembly will be pleased to make use of any thing therein contained if it may stand with their pleasures and to laugh at the rest as a solace to my minde being enclined to doe good to the publick So humbly craving leave that I may take my leave I rest this 25. of October 1641. A DESCRIPTION OF THE FAMOUS KINGDOME OF MACARIA SHEWING ITS EXCELLENT GOVERNMENT Traveller WEll met sir your habit professes scholarship are you a Graduate Schollar Yes sir I am a Master of Arts. Trav. But what doe you heare in the Exchange I conceive you trade in knowledge and here is no place to traffick for it neither in the book of rates is there any imposition upon such commodities so that you have no great businesse either here or at the Custome-house Come let us goe into the fields I am a Traveller and can tell you strange newes and much knowledge and I have brought it over the sea without paying any Custome though it bee worth all the merchandize in the kingdome Schol. We Scholars love to heare newes and to learne knowledge I will wait upon you goe whither you will Trav. Well we will goe into Moore fields and take a turne or two there we shall be out of this noise and throng of people Sch. Agreed but as we goe what good newes doe you heare of the Parliament Trav. I heare that they are generally bent to make a good reformation but that they have some stops and hinderances so that they cannot make such quick dispatch as they would and if any experience which I have learned in my long travels may stand them in stead I would willingly impart it for the publick good Sch. I like that well I pray you declare some good experience that I may say that I have gained some thing by the company of Travellers Trav. In a Kingdome called Macaria the King and the Governours doe live in great honour and riches and the people doe live in great plenty prosperitie health peace and happinesse and have not halfe so much trouble as they have in these European Countreyes Sch. That seemeth to me impossible you Travellers must take heed of two things principally in your relations first that you say nothing that is generally deemed impossible Secondly that your relation hath no contradiction in it or else all men will think that you make use of the Travellers priviledge to wit to lie by authority Trav. If I could change all the minds in England as easily as I suppose I shall change yours this Kingdome would be presently like to it when you heare the manner of their government you will deeme it to be very possible and withall very easie Sch. I pray you sir declare the manner of their government for I think long till I heare it Trav. As for brevitie in discourse I shall answer your desire They have a Great Councell like to the Parliament in England but it sitteth once a yeer for a short space and they heare no complaints against any but Ministers of State Judges and Officers those they trounce soundly if there be cause Besides they have five under Councels to wit A Councell of Husbandry A Councell of Fishing A Councell of Trade by Land A Councell of Trade by Sea A Councell for new Plantations These sit once a yeere for a very short space and have power to heare and determine and to punish Malefactors severely and to reward Benefactors honourable and to make new lawes not repugnant to the lawes of the Great Councell for the whole Kingdome like as Court Leets and Corporations have within their owne Precincts and Liberties in England Sch. I pray you sir declare some of the principall Lawes made by those under Councels Trav. The Councell of Husbandry hath ordered that the twentieth part of every mans goods that dieth shall be employed about the improving of lands and making of High-wayes faire and bridges over Rivers by which meanes the whole Kingdome is become like to a fruitfull Garden the High-wayes are paved and are as faire as the streets of a Citie and as for Bridges over Rivers they are so high that none are ever drowned in their travels Also they have established a law that if any man holdeth more land than he is able to improve to the utmost he shall be admonished first of the great hinderance which it doth to the Common-wealth Secondly of the prejudice to himselfe and if hee doe not amend his Husbandry within a yeares space there is a penalty set upon him which is yeerely doubled till his lands be forfeited and he banished out of the Kingdome as an enemy to the common-wealth In the Councell of Fishing there are lawes established whereby immense riches are yeerly drawne out of the Ocean In the Councell of Trade by Land there are established Lawes so that there are not too many Tradesmen nor too few by enjoyning longer or shorter times of Apprentiships In the Councell of Trade by Sea there is established a law that all Traffick is lawfull which may enrich the Kingdome In the Councell for new Plantations there is established a law that every yeere a certaine number shall be sent out strongly fortified and provided for at the publike charge till such times as they may subsist by their owne endevours and this number is set downe by the said Councell wherein they take diligent notice of the surplusage of people that may be spared Sch. But you spoke of peace to be permanent in that Kingdome how can that be Trav. Very easily for they have a law that if any Prince shall attempt any invasion his kingdome shall be lawfull prize and the Inhabitants of this happy Countrey are so numerous strong and rich that they have destroyed some without any considerable resistance and the rest take warning Sch. But you spoke of health how can that be procured by a better way than wee have here in England Trav. Yes very easily for they have an house or Colledge of experience where they deliver out yeerly such medicines as they find out by experience and all such as shall be able

to demonstrate any experiment for the health or wealth of men are honourably rewarded at the publike charge by which their skill in Husbandry Physick and Surgerie is most excellent Sch. But this is against Physicians Trav. In Macaria the Parson of every Parish is a good Physician and doth execute both functions to wit cura animarum cura corporum and they think it as absurd for a Divine to be without the skill of Physick as it is to put new wine into old bottles and the Physicians being true Naturalists may as well become good Divines as the Divines doe become good Physicians Sch. But you spoke of grat facilitie that these men have in their functions how can that be Trav. Very easily for the Divines by reason that the Societie of Experimenters is liable to an action if they shall deliver out any false receit are not troubled to trie conclusions or experiments but onely to consider of the diversitie of natures complexions and constitutions which they are to know for the cure of soules as well as of bodies Sch. I know divers Divines in England that are Physicians and therefore I hold well with this report and I would that all were such for they have great estimation with the people and can rule them at their pleasure Sch. But how cometh the facilitie of becoming good Divines Trav. They are all of approved abilitie in humane learning before they take in hand that function and then they have such rules that they need no considerable studie to accomplish all knowledge fit for Divines by reason that there are no diversitie of opinions amongst them Sch. How can that be Trav. Very easily for they have a law that if any Divine shall publish a new opinion to the Common people he shall be accounted a disturber of the publick peace and shall suffer death for it Sch. But that is the way to keep them in errour perpetually if they be once in it Trav. You are deceived for if any one hath conceived a new opinion he is allowed everie yeere freely to dispute it before the Great Councell if he overcome his Adversaries or such as are appointed to be Opponents then it is generally received for truth if he be overcome then it is declared to be false Sch. It seemeth that they are Christians by your relation of the Parochiall Ministers but whether are they Protestants or Papists Trav. Their Religion consists not in taking notice of severall opinions and sects but is made up of infallible tenets which may be proved by invincible arguments and such as will abide the grand test of extreme dispute by which meanes none have power to stirre up Schismes and Heresies neither are any of their opinions ridiculous to those who are of contrarie minds Schol. But you spoke of great honour which the Governours have in the Kingdome of Macaria Trav. They must needs receive great honour of the people by reason that there is no injustice done or very seldome perhaps once in an age Sch. But how come they by their great riches which you speak of Trav. It is holden a principall policie in State to allow to the ministers of State Judges and chiefe Officers great revenues for that in case they doe not their dutie in looking to the Kingdomes safety for conscience sake yet they may doe it for feare of loosing their owne great Estates Sch. But how can the King of Macaria be so rich as you speak of Trav. He taketh a strict course that all his Crown lands be improved to the utmost as Forrests Parkes Chases c. by which meanes his revenues are so great that hee seldome needeth to put impositions upon his Subjects by reason hee hath seldome any warres and if there bee cause the Subjects are as ready to give as hee to demand for they hold it to bee a principall policie in State to keep the Kings Cofers full and so full that it is an astonishment to all Invaders Sch. But how cometh the Kings great honour which you speak of Trav. Who can but love and honour such a Prince which in his tender and parentall care of the publick good of his loving Subjects useth no pretences for realities like to some Princes in their Acts of State Edicts and Proclamations Sch. But you Travellers must take heed of contradictions in your relations you have affirmed that the Governours in Macaria have not halfe so much trouble as they have in these European Kingdomes and yet by your report they have a Great Councell like to our Parliament in England which sit once a yeare besides that they have five Under Councels which sit once a yeare then how commeth this facility in government Trav. The Great Councell heareth no complaints but against Ministers of State Judges and chiefe Officers these being sure to bee trounsed once a yeare doe never or very seldome offend So that their meeting is rather a festivity than a trouble And as for the Judges and chiefe Officers there is no hope that any man can prevaile in his suit by bribery favour or corrupt dealing so that they have few causes to be troubled withall Sch. I have read over Sr. Thomas Mores Vtopia and my Lord Bacons New Atlantis which hee called so in imitation of Plato's old one but none of them giveth mee satisfaction how the Kingdome of England may be happy so much as this discourse which is briefe and pithy and easie to be effected if all men be willing Trav. You Divines have the sway of mens minds you may as easily perswade them to good as to bad to truth as well as to falshood Sch. Well in my next Sermon I will make it manifest that those that are against this honourable designe are first enimies to God and goodnesse secondly enimies to the Common-wealth thirdly enimies to themselves and their posterity Trav. And you may put in that they are enimies to the King and to his posterity and so consequently traitors for hee that would not have the Kings honour and riches to be advanced and his Kingdome to bee permanent to him and to his heires is a traitor or else I know not what treason meaneth Sch. Well I see that the cause is not in God but in mens fooleries that the people live in misery in this world when they may so easily bee relieved I will joyne my forces with you and wee will try a conclusion to make our selves and posterity to bee happy Trav. Well what will you doe towards the worke Sch. I have told you before I will publish it in my next Sermon and I will use meanes that in all Visitations and meetings of Divines they may bee exhorted to doe the like Trav. This would doe the feat but that the Divines in England having not the skill of Physick are not so highly esteemed nor beare so great a sway as they doe in Macaria Sch. Well what will you doe toward the worke Trav. I will propound a book of Husbandry