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A35564 To J.S., the author of Sure-footing, his letter, lately published, The answer of Mer. Casaubon, D.D., concerning the new way of infallibility lately devised to uphold the Roman cause, the Holy Scriptures, antient fathers and councills laid aside Casaubon, Meric, 1599-1671. 1665 (1665) Wing C811; ESTC R3910 21,053 27

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onely way God hath appointed and Mankind must trust unto It is far from my thoughts in this short Answer to your Letter to reason the case with you by way of Confutation there be some about it you tell me who I hope will make you sensible how miserably you are mistaken in your grounds Give me leave onely to insist a while on the monstrousness of your Opinion as it doth appear unto me You know the World is much amended generally in point of knowledge within these hundred or two hundred years Who hath not heard of that admirable or regeneration of Learning by all kind of Writers since or about that time so much extolled and magnified Let Pope Leo the X. who then was and his Cardinals have a great part under God of the thanks if you will I am not against it though by the aversness you shew frequently to Books and Learning I doubt you will be more ready to curse than to bless them for it But durst you even now undertake that every twentieth or fiftieth man or woman generally among you is able to give an account of their Faith I will not say rational but reasonable so that they may deserve the name of sound Christians in the main Fundamentals wherein we for the most part agree England I think I may say not to disparage others is furnished and hath been these many years with as able Ministers as any Nation can boast of in Europe I have been a Minister and Preacher here these Forty years and above I know what I have found to my grief in more places then one We may thank the Puritans of England if it be no better whose endeavour hath alwayes been in all places to set up their Lectures and Pulpit-Preaching instead of Catechising whereas Three moneths right Catechising will make more Christians I am confident then Forty years Pulpit-Preaching Do not think I pray to take any advantage of this and tell me Though it be so among us Hereticks yet you thank God it is otherwise among Catholicks as you call your selves For I could tell you strange things from your own Writers men who never were suspected in the least degree to favour Protestants concerning your Preachers what manner of men they are commonly how able or how carefull to discharge their duties I will name but one to you till you desire more Laurentius Villavineentius Doct. Theol. De reite formando studio Theol. which Book though not that particular passage of Ministers he did almost verbatim transcribe out of Hipperius a Protestant though otherwise a virulent inveigher against Protestants as any I have read Read him there but especially De sacris Concionibus formandis Lib. I. c. 2. and I think you will say you have your belly full So now Will you have a fight of former times from unquestionable Records In the dayes of Alfrid King of England the ignorance of the Land was such generally that himself complaineth in his Preface to Gregories Pastoral Christianity was become an empty name without any substance or reality And Asserius one of his Masters in his life doth relate that it was a long time before he could read because he could get none to teach him though he much desired it Some six or sevenscore years before when Cuthbert was Archbishop of Canterbury and Ethelbald King of the Mercit or Middle-land Counties a Synod was held at Clyff by which it was ordained that for the time to come All Priests should learn the Creed and the Lord Prayer that they might be able to teach them to others So in England How elsewhere In the dayes of Charles the Great in France there were so many ignorant Priests that a Law or Capitulum was made for the rebaptization of such as had not been baptized in the Name of the Father the Son a hard Lesson it seems for the Priests of those dayes and the Holy Ghost Yet we deny not but the worst dayes afforded some men of worth but what the generality was we may guess by these particulars I have read a Book intituled Fragmenta Caroli Magni printed at Antwerp A. D. 1560. in a place it treateth of the ancient manner as the marginal Note doth import of choosing Bishops First he is chosen à Clerosen Populo that is by the Clergy and the People according to the language of those times Then he is presented to the Apostolick that is the Pope for consecration Then faith the Record Pontifex jubet inquiri de quatuor Capitulis Canonicis Inquisition is made concerning the four Canonical Articles by which it seems the capacity or incapacity of men for such a degree was wont in those days chiefly or in the first place to be judged The first is Whether he had not been Arsanoquita 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Sodomite The second Whether he had not lain with a Nun The third with a Beast The fourth Whether he had not married one that had been married before or a Widow Et de his inculpabilis inventus c. and being found innocent in these he further takes an Oath he will be so for the time to come Some few more questions being asked among which I find none except it be included in Dimissoria ab Episcopo concerning his sufficiency in point of Learning he is consecrated the next day I could tell you of Italy and other places But by this I hope you will give me leave to ask you What you think of the Fathers and Mothers of Families of those times in what a capacity they may probably be supposed to have been to preserve and transmit sound Christianity without any further helps of written Word or Record unto posterity Ordinary Romanists I know when they are put to it about the Popes Infallibility they fly to Christ his Promise and peculiar Providence which is a good plea could they prove by Scripture or true Tradition that is the consent of Primitive Fathers that such infallibility was ever promised by Christ unto the Pope Which to say your friend and Master as I find him stiled in Dr. Hammond Mr. White doth resolve to be Heretical yea archiheretical where Dr. Hammond will tell you p. 263. for I have not the Book But a plausible plea however I say as it pretends to ground upon Christs Promise but not your plea because you disclaim Christs Promise and all plea of a peculiar Providence as a principle to be grounded upon Is not the Church of Rome much beholding to you One thing I must grant to you that your way though few Romanists I think will acknowledge it their way is no new way absolutely For it was indeed the Heathens way as is objected unto them by ancient Fathers which they made use of to uphold their Heathenism against Christianity and what those Ancient Fathers thought of that way you may read in them or may be told by others in due time It was also the very way the infidel Jews used as by others