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A86328 The foundation of the font discovered to the view of all that desire to behold it. And, the baptizing of men and women when they believe (in rivers and fountains) proved to be a standing ordinance in the Church of Cchrist to the end of the world; by plain Scripture-proof. In answer to Mr. Cook's Font uncovered, for infant-baptism; and Mr. Baxter's Plain Scripture-proof for infants church-membership and baptism. With a word sometimes upon occasion to Mr. Hall's Font-guarded; which is more fully answered by Thomas Collyer. By Henry Haggar, a servant of Christ, and the congregations of his saints. Haggar, Henry. 1653 (1653) Wing H186; Thomason E711_1; ESTC R207114 109,478 143

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if you walk not in the same footsteps which they did then I can prove as well the Church of Rome was then a constituted Church according to the order of the Gospel Rom. 1.7 but I pray doth that make the Pope and his crew now to be a true Church If they be why do you separate from them But they are not neither are you though a true Church might be in England 1600 yeers agone and possibly may be found now Again you say that they and their children were then admitted into the Covenant and Church as Abraham and his family were by Circumcision To which I Answer It still remains for you to prove that they and their children were admitted into Church-fellowship I deny it prove it if you can or else you have done nothing As for Abraham and his family being circumcised I grant it because the Scriptures say so but you have no Scripture for Infants baptism if you have shew it if you can and as for that Covenant that Circumcision was a token of it s far different from the Covenant now under the Gospel as I shall shew by and by The next thing you speak of is a National Church which you seem to prove thus in that the Lord said Gen. 22.18 to Abraham that in his seed all Nations should be blessed Answ But he doth not say that All of All Nations shall be blessed nor yet that All of any Nation shall be blessed and I am perswaded that you think in your own Conscience that some in this Nation are not blessed for by your writings you pronounce us accursed and I suppose there are many that live in known sins as drunkenness whoredom wichcraft murder theft c. of your own Church and yet you dare not judge them blessed in Christ if you do why do you hang them up every Assizes and Sessions If they be members of Christ their bodies are Temples of the Holy Ghost and he that destroyeth the Temple of God him shall God destroy therefore if your Argument be true take heed what you do in such cases 2. You bring this Scripture Psal 22 27 28. which saith All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord and all kindreds of the Nations shall worship before him for the kingdom is the Lords and he is the Governour among the Nations Answ When that day shall come and that Prophecie be fulfilled we will grant you it is fulfilled but for present I think you will be our witnesses that all Nations do not serve him for the Turks and Moors and Indians with many other do not serve nor worship God neither do all in this Nation worship him as aforesaid but Peters words are true if you please Act. 10.34 35 viz. that in every Nation he that feareth God and worketh righteousness is accepted for God is no respected of persons But there are many in this Nation which do not fear God and work righteousness therefore no National Church 3 You say Isa 49.23 that kings shall be nursing fathers and Queens shall be nursing mothers to the Church Answ That it shall be so I deny not but prove you that it is so if you can As for Englands King and Queen it is well known how they would have nursed the Church if they had but had their mindes or if you please to side with them and the Cavaliers party and own them for a Church yet are the other that oppose them contrary minded therefore you can have no National Church 4 You say Isa 52.15 that Christ shall sprinkle many Nations Answ It s granted but it doth not follow that he doth sprinkle whole Nations it is also true as the Apostle saith Heb. 10.22 that believers have their hearts sprinkled from an evil Conscience and their bodies washed with pure water but it doth not follow therefore that all men and such as are wicked and prophane have their hearts sprinkled from an evil Conscience therefore no National Church And I much wonder that you Ministers of the Church of England who for the generality of you hold and preach that Christ did not dye for all men but onely for some few elect persons should yet preach up national Churches and impudently say all England are so far in Covenant as all their children ought to be baptized I confess you had all need to have seven yeers education at Cambridge or Oxford or else you could never make these things hang together but that the people would see your folly 5 You say from Matt. 28.19 Did not Christ command his Apostles to go into all Nations and preach and baptize Answ But do not you know that they never baptized whole Nations nor yet whole Cities but most men hated and abused them so as they were forced to shake the dust off their feet against them and we read but of seven Churches in all Asta which is one quarter of the world and they were so far from converting and baptizing whole Nations that we read but of four or five whole housholds in all the Scriptures that were baptized therefore not likely to baptize whole Nations but if they did any such thing we desire to see it Moreover we grant you if a whole Nation can be converted by the preaching of the word they ought to be baptized but you baptize little babes that know not what the word is contrary to the primitive practice Act. 8.12 6 You bring Rev. 11.15 which saith The kingdoms of this world are become our Lords and his Christs and he shall raign for ever Answ I told you already that I believe such times shall be but they are not yet if they were then we should no longer need to pray Thy kingdom come and in that day Satan shall not deceive the Nations See Rev. 20.3 but Sir I suppose these things are too hard for you to understand though you be a scholar for they are hid from the wise and prudent and revealed to babes See Luke 20.21 with 1 Cor. 2.8 9 10. 7 You say from Rev. 21.24 that the Nations of them that are saved shall walk in the light of the New Jerusalem Answ That 's granted but that new Jerusalem is not yet here below for drunkards and wicked persons to walk by but Paul saith Gal. 4.26 that it s above and is free and is the mother of all the Saints 8 Lastly you say If a company of believers in one house have been called a Church domestical then a multitude of believers in a City or Nation may be called a National Church I answer That 's granted if they be all believers as you said at first but little babes are not believers therefore your Argument will not hold One thing more I have to answer to you in your sixth page which is this You say we affirm a negative namely that the baptism or sprinkling of Infants is not the baptism of Christ c. and here you follow us on to purpose and tell
their oftences every Assizes and Sessions we will now come to the teachers and leaders of them and see what they do and and how they behave themselves for examples and now I shall not trouble you with outlandish news from Germany and other places beyond the Seas neither will I foolishly and maliciously invent things against you but I will refer you to a book that is printed by the order and authority of Parliament intituled The first Century of scandalous and malignant Priests c. printed by George Miller dwelling in Black-Friers wherein you shall find the Persons names the places where they had their benefices and the reasons why they were sequestred And that you may the better understand what manner of creatures these Ministers and Teachers were I shall briefly put down the names and causes of some few of them word for word as it is in the book which was printed by the authority of Parliament to which I refer the reader for further information where you shall find no less then a whole hundred of these vile and abominable wretches called Ministers of Christ by some and so lookt upon as if the Parliament had done them wrong All these were found in eight or nine Counties at most about London therefore we may judge how many of these Locusts are in England Scotland amongst the Covenanters and in Wales of which persons and their practices I now come to speak particularly Page 1. The Benefice John Wilson Vicar of Arlington in the County of Sussex is sequestred for that he in most beastly manner divers times attempted to commit buggery with Nathaniel Brown Samuel Andrews and Robert Williams his Parishoners and by perswasions and violence laboured to draw them to that abominable sinne that as he shamed not to profess they might make up his number 18. and hath professed that he made choice to commit that act with mankind rather then with women to avoid the shame and danger that oft ensueth in begetting of Bastards and hath also attempted to commit buggery with a Mare and at the baptizing of a Bastard-Child blasphemously said openly in the Congregation that our Saviour as he was in the flesh was a Bastard and hath in his Sermon much commended Images in their meeting-houses as good for edification that baptism takes away original sin c. and hath openly said that the Parliament were Rebels and endeavoured to starve the King and that whatsoever the King commands we are to obey whether it be good or bad and hath openly affirmed that buggery is no sin and is a great drinker 2. The Benefice of Robert Hiliard Vicar of the Parish-Church of Ewell in the County of Surry is sequestred for that he said the Parliament is a Parliament for the Devil and the Divels Court and that the Petitions of the Parliament to the King are like the Petitions of Jeroboam to Rehoboam viz. commands and not Petitions and that he had rather live under the government of a Heathen then of the Parliament and is a common frequenter of Taverns and Ale-houses sitting tipling and quarrelling there is often drunk is a common curser and swearer and hath jeered the holy Spirit of grace saying We have Ministers now for sooth will preach and pray by the Spirit and hath threatned to kill those that have exhibited articles against him and went about with the Cavaliers at Kingstone directing them to plunder honest men Mr. Baxter saith the Anabaptssts are traytors to the State but I wonder who are traytors now 3. The Benefice of John Peckham Rector of the Parish-Church of Hosteedparva in the County of Sussex who giveth out that he is the Kings Chapline is sequestred for that he hath been very negligent of his cure absenting himself from his Parishioners sometimes a whole moneth together without leaving any to officiate for him and hath resufed to adminster the Lords Supper to his Parishioners that would not come up to the railes and is a common drunkard and a notorious adulterer and unclean person having drawn divers women to commit uncleanness with him and hath bragged that he could lie with divers women and never get them with Child and hath used sordid and beastly carriages towards women to entice them to satisfie his lust not to be named amongst the Heathen and hath expressed great Malignity against the Parliament and proceedings thereof and hath affirmed publickly that a man might live in murther adultery and other gross sins from day to day and yet be a true penitent person 4. The Benefice of Richard Hart Rector of the Parish-Church of Hargrave in the County of Suffolk is sequestred for that he is a common Ale-house-haunter an upholder of private Ale-houses and commonnly sitteth drinking in them divers daies together as from Tuesday to Sunday-morning and then being come home durst not come to Church his face was so battered and beaten and forced his Parishioners to go to other places by reason of his inabilities either to preach or read service to them and used on the Lords day on the afternoones to draw his Parishioners with him to his house forceing them there to drink untill they be drunk causing every one to to cast a Die in their course and to drink so many cups as fell to their chance perswading them that if they would take their cups he could forgive them their sins And when he hath preached on Fast-daies he hath told his Parishioners that he knew not wherefore the Fast was And on Whit-Sunday last though he had administred the Communion in the fore-noon yet in the after-noon he drew a Man and his Wife to a private Ale-house and there kept them drinking till night and then led them to his own house and there made the man so drunk as he fell asleep and then enticed the mans Wife up into his Chamber where they were all night together drinking and taking Tobacco and hath expressed great Malignity against the Parliament professing he would rather curse them then pray for them 5. The Benefice of Nicholas King Vicar of Priston and Snape in the County of Suffolk is sequestered for that he is a common Ale-house-haunter and a companion of scandalous persons and men of evill fame and oft drunk and attempted the chastity of Elizabeth Scotchmer who going to his house to pay him some monies he inticed her to lie with him and did strive a long time to abuse her by force and would have corrupted her thereunto with monies but she protesting unto him that she would not sell her soule to the Devil for mony he replied to her she was a fool for God did forgive the greatest of sinners and he hath expressed great Malignancy against the Parliament 6. The benefice of John Wells Parson of the parish Church of Shimplin in the County of Suffolk is sequestred for that he is a common Ale-house-haunter and common drunkard and in his drunkenness hath lain abroad in the fields lost his Hat fallen into the Ditches