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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A56283	A true and full account of a conference held about religion, between Dr. Tenison and A. Pulton, one of the masters in the Savoy	Pulton, A. (Andrew), 1654-1710.	1687 (1687)	Wing P4209; ESTC R7867	12,444	24

could be obtain'd to any thing he had propos'd the Dr. nothing at all provok'd thereto said He wonder'd any body would intrust their Children with him for said he if he tampers with those who are not his Schollars what would he do with such as were under his care To which A. P. reply'd He had engag'd his Promise for the one and not for the other On this occasion the Dr. said There was no Credit to be given to Papists being by their Principles breakers of their Words At which Mr. M. taking exceptions said He would remain no longer where such Scandalous propositions were vented upon which retiring out of the Room A. P. desir'd to know Upon what ground the Dr. laid so injurious a Charge upon Roman Catholicks The Dr. in place of excusing what Passion might have made him unwarily assert prov'd it against A. P. as follows You believe yours to be said he the only saving Church but you are bound to save all you can Therefore you are bound to break your Word given in your Paper of not tampering with your Schollars about Religion A. P. reply'd The same medium would prove as much against His Majesty as against A. P. which so he made out His Majesty believed His to be the only saving Church But His Majesty being Head of His People as much and more than A. P. of his School was bound to endeavour their Salvation as much or more then A. P. of his Schollars Therefore His Majesty was bound to break His Royal Word given to His People of not forcing their Consciences 23. The Dr. was offended at A. P. 's Retortion and call'd out for Witnesses saying He had said no such thing And the standers by disturb'd thereupon said A. P. was come to entrap the Dr. and inform against him A. P. return'd That he had no such design and believ'd that the Dr. had likewise no such reflection when he spoke but added withall That he had done very ill to utter a Proposition whence flowed naturally and unavoidably such bad inferences Then he desir'd the Dr. to name the Schollar that should prove A. P. either to have open'd his mouth in School-time of any controverted point or tamperd with him out of School adding That the Dr. was much mistaken in the Papists Principles who unanimously taught with St. Paul That evil was not to be done that good might come of it And A. P. said He ought not to tell a lye though the Conversion of the World depended upon it After which he answer'd directly to the Dr. ' s false Medium viz. That no one was bound to do all the good precisely possible if so the Dr. might be oblig'd to give all he had to the Poor and go to Preach the Faith to the Indians and that it was a very good action to teach Learning Gratis with the fear of God although one meddled not with Religion 24. A. P. Umvilling to stay where Disputes decline to Calumniating complain'd how he had had no satisfactory Answer to any thing that was propos'd And therefore desir'd the favour that the Dr. would give a second Meeting with an Amanuensis and Witness in some fair Library To which the Dr. reply'd That he was a man of much business and had other Affairs in hand But if A. P. for his private satisfaction would meet him in his own Library he was content 25. The crowd being great and the Room full of noise and disorder A. P. desiring again a second meeting as above began to withdraw but the Master of the House told him If he would step into the next Room he would dismiss the People and that Mr. M. had repair'd thither To which he assented but the Dr. as soon as he came in began a long Parley with Mr. M. so that A. P. had no more Discourse with the Dr. except that the Dr. except that the Dr. at parting told I know not what Impertinent story of Pope Nicholas as I take it to wil that he had taught that the Christians eat the Sacred Body of Christ like Collops To which A. P. reply'd He had only the Dr.'s word for it and desir'd to know what the Dr. meant by Collops which could have but two acceptations to wit that they eat Christ's Body under an appearance of visible Flesh or that they eat it divided into many pieces neither of which he was sure came into Pope Nicholas's Head to teach 31. Then the Dr. fearing his general Proposition Of Papists being breakers of their Word might prove of no good consequence to him he said He spoke it only of Iesuits A. P. Then thanking him for his Complement reply'd It was not so but that his Proposition was general as appears by the Medium he took to prove it to wit that the Papists believ'd their's to be the only saving Religion which was not a point of Doctrine peculiar to the Iesuits but common to the whole Catholick Church there being no more true Religions than there are Gods. Then he told the Dr. He understood not the Iesuits Principles neither should he ever assign one different from those of other Roman Catholicks 32. On this occasion the Dr. had a fling at the Deposing Power To which A. P. reply'd That was so far from being a common Doctrine amongst the Society that it was expresly forbid under most severe Censures not only to treat of it in Schools but even to speak of it in familiar Discourses Then the Dr. cited Mariana and Suarez and added That Parsons had taught it in Queen Elizabeths time To which A. P. answer'd The Iesuits oblig'd not themselves to follow any private Author's Speculations and added That whatever Parsons had judg'd in the Theory it was the Reformers who had reduc'd it to practice who had taken the priviledge upon a false pretence of Gospel Liberty to spill more Christian Blood through all Germany Bohemia France Low-Countries Holland England and where-ever they assum'd the Reforming Spirit than ever the Roman Catholicks had done from Christ's time nor should he ever shew they propagated their Faith by the Swords Point And since he by his odious Insinuations had oblig'd A. P. to speak the Truth It was manifest from History that the pretended Reformers had Deposed and endeavour'd to Depose more Princes in the space of 150 years than the Roman Catholicks had done in 1600. witness the King of Spain thrown out of his Possessions of the United Provinces witness Sigismond with his whole Race dispossess'd of his Hereditary Kingdom of Sweden witness Charles the V. depriv'd of the Name of Emperour and call'd Charles of Gant by the Duke of Saxony and Landgrave of Hass at the head of 100000 Men Witness the Prince and Bishop of Geneva without any Authority Depos'd and the Government transfer'd to the People He added That our own Kingdoms of England and Scotland had embrac'd the same Principles as was manifest from the unjust Detainment and Beheading of Queen Mary Stuart And he said He was unwilling to reflect on the Father of his most Sacred Majesty that the Scotch Covenant And lately the Bills of Exclusion presented in three Parliaments were a sufficient Argument what Spirit run along with the Reformation And so bidding the Dr. Good night Desir'd him to be more wary another time how he objected things that must naturally oblige his Adversary to so severe a Recrimination FINIS

Church and desired to know if the Dr. would stand to that Plea and be Judged by the Greeks If so A. P. would demonstrate to him That all the Opinions or at least the Chief which the Church of England holds in Opposition to the Roman Catholicks were Condemn'd and Anathematiz'd by Two Great Councels called in the East for that purpose since the pretended Reformation Here the Dr. said the Greek-Church had been Corrupted by our Missions which is far from being so they having been always of the same Judgement in those matters 10. Then he Appeal'd to the Bohemians A. P. asked Whether he would be Judged by them If so he wou'd sind how although agreeing in some Points not material yet in the Substance they much Dissented from the late Reformers who descended no more from the Romans than the Bohemians from the Apostles 11. Here the Dr. against A. P.'s will importun'd Mr. M. to come from the Window and sit by him beginning a private Conference with him which lasted some time A. P. not being able to obtain of the Dr. a Prosecution of the Question in debate the Dr. called for a Bible which when he would have opened I know not on what occasion A. P. said it was the Question in hand to prove that Book to be the Word of God Then he called for a Greek Testament and asked A. P. if he at least would allow of the Greek Edition A. P. reply'd he allow'd of it but from his hands could receive neither tho one nor the other unless he made it out better than he had done yet that it was the Pure Word of God. The standers by seeing A. P. reject the Greek Testament gave a little shout as tho' he understood it not but A. P. would have shewn himself a sufficient Master of that Language had he not been resolv'd to give no occasion of diverting the Discourse from the main Point 12. Continuing therefore to urge the Dr. for a positive Answer he said in the end This Discourse whereby he call'd the Authority of Holy Scripture in Question tended to Atheism A. P. granted his Position and said it was true in their Principles who having taken all Infallible Authority from the Church there remain'd none for Holy Writ which was left to each Man's fancy to receive reject or interpret at discretion and urged the Dr. very pressingly to assign One Body of Christians which ever had held positively and negatively as the Church of England does And said moreover That if the Church of England were the True Church she must derive her Succession from the Apostles to that the Dr. Answer'd He must have a Library of 10000 l. worth of Books of shew it A. P. reply'd he believ'd it and added That had he 100000 l. worth he wou'd never make it out Here the Gentleman mentioned above in the second place putting his hand into his Pocket and taking out a little Volume said he would shew the Succession of the Roman Catholick Church at a much easier rate 13. Here A. P. was over-seen in letting the Dr. slip to a new Question upon the occasion of the Succession Where the Dr. deny'd that St. Peter had ever been had Rome to which A. P. reply'd That Calvin himself upon account of the general Tradition thereof granted that Peter had been put to Death at Rome tho' he allow'd not of his sitting there 25 years And although A. P. said it was nothing necessary for the Truth of our Succession that St. Peter should have resided rather at Rome than Antioch If the Dr. pleas'd he would make out to him how according to true Chronology he might have resided there 25 years and produced his Remarks relating to that Subject and asked the Dr. who had Planted the Christian Faith at Rome of which St. Paul speaks in the First Epistle to the Romans whereas it is certain St. Paul had never yet been there nor any other Apostle except St. Peter But the Dr. seeing A. P. forward to prove the Point passed to the Question of Transubstantiation and the Real Presence 14. A. P. seeing there was no Answer to be got to the main Question that he might not seem to decline a particular Controversy though he said That was far from the purpose intended yet he would yield to the Dr. and accept thereof Consequently to which he demanded who the Dr. would be Judged by in this matter He answer'd by the Universal Church A. P. demanded whether by the Universal Church now extant or that of the Four First Centuries If that of the Church now in Being he had at least Five to One against him But he reply'd That his Appeal was to the Four First Centuries Then A. P. desired all present to take notice that the Dr. would be Judged by the Testimonies of the Four First Centuries 15. Here mention was made I know not on what occasion of the Council of Lateran relating to the Real Presence when the Dr. asked abruptly what Pope had presided at that Council which not occurring to A. P. the Dr. was pleased to say he saw A. P. was a Man of no Reading to which A. P. reply'd The Dr. was under a mistake that he had Read all the Ecclesiastical History and had Volumes of Notes relating thereunto He added moreover That it imported nothing who it was presided that it was the great Council of Lateran where were Assembled near a Thousand Bishops Prelates and Abbots besides a very great number of Divines the Legates of the Kings of England Jerusalem Cyprus to say nothing of Neighbouring Princes The Dr. mistaken much more grosly than A. P. in Point of History deny'd That there were any from England or that the Four Patriarchs were there so much as by their Legates 16. Here A. P. perceiving the Dr. to begin to wander from the Question as it had been stated produced a Book which contain'd several Testimonies of Holy Fathers as also a Paper in English for the satisfaction of the standers by having moreover another Book in his Pocket relating thereunto Here the Dr. complain'd he had hard measure that he was come unprovided and excepting against Authorities cited out of Authors not at hand said let us take a Coach and go to a Library A. P. answer'd he was content But not to disappoint the Company he desired he would be pleased to hear the Quotations he had as he believed very exactly Quoted and asking of the Dr. whom he would be pleased to hear first naming several The Dr. desired to hear St. Ambrose whereupon A. P. read one of his 4th Book 4th Chap. De Sacramentis tu forte dicis meus Panisest usitatus Sed Panis iste Panisest ante Verba Sacramentorum ubi accesserit Consecratio ex Pane fit Caro Christi Hoc igitur astruamus Quomodo potest qui Panis est Corpus esse Christi Consecratione Which for the satisfaction of the Hearers A. P. read so in English You say perchance mine is