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A43741 Fair-play on both sides: or, the surest way to heaven Discovered in a dispute between a Roman-Catholick, and a Protestant. Hieron, Samuel, 1576?-1617. 1666 (1666) Wing H1943; ESTC R224206 36,352 39

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stones The golden lights (y) Those seven Churches were represented by seven golden Candlesticks Apoc. 1.20 of Saint Johns age Are now become even Sathans cage Prove thou that Rome hath not declind From th' ancient Church by Pauls resind And then I 'le say thou hast done more Then ever Papist did before But for first turning of our Nation I trow thou nam'st it but for fashion For they that look in History Thereof can find no certainty Simon Zelotes as some say (z) Niceph. lib. 2. cap. 40. Did first Christs Gospel here display Even whilst that Emperour did reign By whom our Saviour Christ was slain (a) Gildas Lib. de victoria Aurelii Ambrosii Some say that he of Arimathy (b) Joseph who buried Christ In the year of grace sixty three From France by Philip (c) Philip the Apostle was sent over To us the faith for to discover (d) So saith Gildas also Hereto agreeth a learned man That ancient Clark Tertullian That by th' Apostles Britany Was turn'd to Christianity (e) Tertul. in his book against the Jewes amongst other places converted by the Apostles reckoneth divers parts of France and Britain So doth Origen Hom. 4. upon Ezechiel Pope Elutherius long agoe (f) About the year of Christ 180. As his Epistle plain did show (g) This Epistle hath been found out of the ancient Records of the Kings of England Unto King Lucius hither sent Ere Ethelbert was king of Kent (h) Which was about 600. years after Christ We hold the faith that then was taught But you the same do set at naught (i) Eleutherius referred King Lucius to the Scriptures clean against the Papists course now and called him Gods Vicar in his kingdom which title the Pope alone doth now challenge When Rome the Truth doth once forsake Then we of Rome our leaves must take If that our Church were Catholick To come to Church thou wouldst not stick If of the word thou knewst the sence Thou soon would'st leave that fond pretence Our Church that truth doth firm embrace Which all those hold in every place Who leaving mens traditions clean Upon the Scriptures onely lean (k) That is truly Catholick which every where alwayes and by all viz. true Christians is believed Vincen. cont Haer. c. 3. Let Papists prove that the word Catholick being taken in that sence ours is not a Catholick Church Popish Rime Prophets SO saith the Prophet Malachy There should be offered far and nigh A clean Oblation or Sacrifice (l) When you read Altar and Sacrifice you think streight that makes for Mass not knowing or not seeming to know the language of the Scripture From place where now the Sun doth rise To the going down of the same And what is that I pray thee name If it be not the holy Mass I will be a Protestant as I was (m) If thou hadst been of us thou wouldst have continued with us 1 John 2.19 In the eighteenth Psalm I found The whole world should hear their sound (n) Namely of the Apostles and their Doctrine prove our Doctrine to disagree with theirs And if this mark you do not want Presently I will recant Protestants Answer Prophets THou cit'st a text of Malachy (o) Mal. 1.11 Hoping to prove thy Mass thereby Alas the reason is but small And helps that Idol not at all In it God threatneth the Jews † The opening of the place of Malachy Who their great priviledge did abuse And thought the Lord was tied to them And unto their Jerusalem The Prophet tells that God elsewhere Will find out those which shall him fear And in an order without blame Shall call upon his holy Name Speaking to their capacity The Legal tearms he doth apply (p) So Joel 2.28 The holy Ghost foretelling the Spiritual enlightning which the people shall have under Christ doth deliver it under the names of Visions and Dreams which notwithstanding were not ordinary in the times of the Gospel And calls our Gospel like Service A pure and spotless (q) Pure in Christ being accepted of God through him 1 Pet. 2.5 Sacrifice What ground is here then for the Mass It still remaineth as it was A gross device defaming Christ Who is our true and onely Priest (r) See more of this hereafter in speaking more directly of the Mass The speech of David of the Skies (ſ) Psal 19.3 But according to their account Psal 18. Into the Apostles Paul applies (t) Rom. 10.18 And saith their sound went far and near As in the stories doth appear Tell me I pray what good to you This place you have alledg'd can do It maketh nought for Popery Or for your idle trumpery Indeed the infamous Fame is spread Of Antichrist your hideous head And all God's Children him do see The man of sin (r) 2 Thes 2.3 alone to be Th' Apostles Faith was far disperst And here in England was rehearst ●ith then our Doctrine is the same ●o it belongs part of their fame Popish Rime Continuance THis is another mark most sure The Faith of Christ must still endure † Christs Faith must endure therefore Rome is the true Church A hot argument as though the Christian Faith could endure no where but at Rome According as our Saviour said When for Saint Peter he had pray'd Simon thy faith shall never fail The gates of Hell shall not prevail † True the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the Church of Christ but Christ in despight of the Devil will have a Church upon earth what makes this for Rome The holy Ghost your comforter Shall remain with you for ever And I my self your surest friend Will be with you unto the end Saint Paul hath the like speech There shall be alwayes men to preach Apostles (p) Some say they are Apostles and are not Rev. 2.2 Doctors and the like In the Church Catholick If this be not the Church of Rome (q) Because you say it we are bound to believe it Then will I be converted soon Protestants Answer Continuance YOu say Christs faith must still endure I yield that nothing is more sure And alwayes God a Church will have Though thereat Satan rage and rave (ſ) Mat. 16.18 And that is the uttermost which can be collected out of that place It glads my heart that Christ hath praid Thereby I know my Faith is staid (t) Luke 22.32 Christs prayer there belongs to all believers as well as to Saint Peter John 17.20 The comfort of Gods holy Sp'rit Is each good Christians sole delight This proves there still a Church shall be And herein thou and I agree To prove the Church tied to one Sea Requireth yet a better Plea The Faith of Christ may still abide Though Rome should into Tibur slide Gods Spirit is free and is not bound (u) John 3.8 Within the lists of Romish ground
stile The simple People you beguile The Lord is weary of your feasts (k) Isa 1.14 And likes not your devised rests All days are like in holiness None holy more none holy less (l) The difference betwixt dayes is in observation and use and not in the nature of the day if one day had been in nature holier then another the Sabbath might not have been altered Paul thought his labour was in vain Where days distinctions did remain (m) Gal. 4.10 11. Thou hop'st to put us in some fear With speaking of the Kalendar (n) Saints Canonized Thou ask'st what Faith all those did hold Whose Names are found therein enroll'd I tell thee plain 't is nought to me What many a one there nam'd might be My faith 's not so set on the rack To seek strength from the Almanack Yet sure I am what we profess Some that are there believ'd no less (o) As Peter Paul Mary c. and some there named which suffered persecution in the ten first Persecutions of the Church Our Faith and theirs doth well agree And you with them at variance be You Churches make and holy days Unto the Saints and Martyrs praise But us which do believe the same You seek to kill and to defame Thou ask'st who them canonized Whose names are there enregistred You say the Pope I ask again Wilt thou that sainting power maintain (p) The custom of Canonizing Saints was not heard of till one thousand years after Christ in the dayes of Alexander 3. and Gregory 7. Can any mortal Creature tell Who goes to Heaven and who to Hell All judgement Paul bids us forbear Until the Lord himself appear (q) 1 Cor. 4.5 In Heaven to sit or high or low Is it in mans power to bestow (r) Mat. 20.23 What Bishops can or Saints invest Or shut men from eternal rest Someone Pope doth a Saint enstall His grant another doth recall (ſ) Bonifance 8. caused Hermanus Ferrariens who had been Canonized for a Saint 30. years before to be taken out of his Grave and burned ann 1300. 'T is but a silly dignity That 's subject to uncertainty Among your Saints even those are seen Which to their Prince have Traytors been As Thomas Becket and Elizabeth Barton called the holy Maid of Kent and others Though that our Church such Saints despise To it it is no prejudice Popish Rime Hereticks OUr Saviour warns us to have care Of false Prophets to beware (b) That makes us take heed of you Which in his name shall come Not sent yet they shall run (c) There be many of your Church come amongst us to work mischief before you be sent for Thieves not entring by the Door (d) A lively description of the Popes Clergy That kill and steal and keep a stoor Wolves in Shepheards cloathing That kill the Soul and steal the Tything Dogs Foxes and Masters of lies That new Sects will devise Bringing in dissention And heap thousands to perdition Where have you been this many a year That none of you durst once appear Ever since our Saviours time To whom did your light shine (e) To those which had eyes to see it Where did your principal Pastor sit (f) In Heaven Who kept your keys who fed your sheep (g) You have butchered a good sort of them Shew some Churches you have built I can shew many you have spilt How might a man have found you out To have trial in a matter of doubt (h) You be too proud to learn it is the first lesson you teach your Disciples to admit no conference Where for so many a year No such Company did appear Until Luther a lying Frier (i) If Luther had continued a true Friar he had never been good Upon whom the Devil had desire Br●ke his Vow (k) Herods vow is better broken then kept and married a Nun And there your Sect (l) Our Sect is the same that Pauls was Acts 28.22 first begun (m) Either thou knowest this to be a lie or thou knowst nothing And favoured in Saxony By a Duke that loved liberty And in King Edwards time truly (n) There were English men in England who bare witness to this truth by suffering death for it long afore King Edwards time It first infected our Country For a thousand years you say That Papistry did bear the sway And during all that space No Protestant durst shew his face (o) The more they lay hid the greater was your tyranny yet many then both shewed their faces and lost their lives Who kept (p) Indeed you kep them so fast that the people could have no comfort by them the holy Scriptures then From the hands of wicked men Who had authority to ordain Our Priests and Bishops again For he that entreth without Order As a Thief doth kill and murder And one thing maketh me to muse That no Priest you do refuse (q) A very tale Being ordred by the Church of Rome But he was accepted soon If he would say the New Service He should have a Benefice Without any further Order And accounted for the better (r) He that hath once been an eager Papist and is converted truly is to be the better thought of because having known the abomination of Popery he must needs detest it more How can she make a lawful Priest If she be not the Church of Christ Answer this O Protestant If thou canst I will recant (ſ) I believe you will not be so good as your word But while an answer you devise (t) A man need not be long in making you an answer I counsel all men that are wise To hold the faith maintained here The space of a thousand year Brought unto us English men By our Apostle (u) Who made him an Apostle Saint Austen Who from Rome was hither sent When Ethelbert was King of Kent Who learn'd his Faith of Gregory † This Gregory accounteth him the fore-runner of Antichrist who so should seek to be called Vniversal Bishop from this Faith you are gone His Faith was kept successively By threescore Bishops and three Since Saint Peter's time truly Who learn'd his Faith of Christ Jesu Who is the Son of God most true Protestants Answer Hereticks THe Caveat touching Hereticks Doth make against false Catholicks We know full well that Popery Is but a Mass of Heresie Those Errors which of old were hatcht Your Church together hath them patcht (u) It maintaineth free will and merit of works with the Pelagians Augustine The Pelagians held Children to be without sin Aug. contra Jul. lib. 3. cap. 5. So the Church of Rome saith Concupiscence is no sin It holds Imagery with the Simonians Basilidians and Carpocratians and with the two latter they secret their Religion Iren. lib. 1. cap. 23. Epiph. Haeres 24. It alloweth praying in an unknown tongue with the Osteni Epiph.