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A51177 The coppy of a letter sent from France by Mr. Walter Mountagu to his father the Lord Privie Seale, with his answere thereunto also a second answere to the same letter by the Faukland. Montagu, Walter, 1603?-1677.; Falkland, Lucius Cary, Viscount, 1610?-1643.; Manchester, Henry Montagu, Earl of, 1563?-1642. 1641 (1641) Wing M2472; ESTC R6266 23,462 40

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in the Ancientest nay the first is by them disallowed and if any other superstition of theirs have from them any ground yet they who depart from so many of the Ancients in severall opinions cannot by any reason be excused for retaining any errour because therein they have consent nor have the Protestants cause to receive it from them as a sufficient Apologie neither hath he to follow the Fathers rather then Protestants in a case in which not the persons but the reasons were to be considered For when Saint Hierome was by this way both brought into and held in a strange errour though hee spake something like Master Mountagues patiaris me errare cum talibus suffer mee to erre with such men yet he could not obtain Saint Augustines leave who would not suffer him but answered their reasons and neglected their authorities Fourteenthly Hee speaks of his Religion super-infusing loyalty and if he had onely said it destroyed or weakned it not I who wish that no doubt of his alleageance may once enter his mind to whom we all owe it but professe my selfe his humble servant and no ways his enemie though his adversary would then have made no answer but since he speaks as if Popery were the way to obedience I cannot but say that though no tenet of their whole Church which I know makes at all against it yet there are prevailing opinions of that side which are not fit to make good subjects when their King and they are of different perswasions For besides that Cardinall D'Ossat an Author which I know Master Mountague hath read because whosoever hath but considered state matters must be as wel skilled in him as any Priest in his Breviary tels us that it is the Spaniards maxime that faith is not to be kept with Heretiks and more that the Pope intimated as much in a discourse intended to perswade the King of France to forsake the Queene of England he saies moreover speaking in an other place about the Marquizat of Saluces that they hold at Rome that the Pope to avoid a probable danger of the increasing of Heresie may take away a territory from the true owner and dispose of it to an other and many also defend that he hath power to depose a Hereticall Prince and of Heresie he makes himselfe the Judge so that though I had rather my tongue should cleave to the roofe of my mouth then that I should deny that a Papist may be a good Subject even to a King whom he counts a Heretick since I verily believe that I my selfe know very many very good yet Popery is like to an ill aire wherein though many keep their healths yet many are infected so that at most they are good subjects but during the Popes pleasure and the rest are in more danger then if they were out of it To conclude I believe that what I have said may at least serve if he will descend to consider it to move Master Moungue to a further search and for Memorandums in it which if he doe hee will be soone able to give as much better reasons for my conclusion that such a visible Church neither need nor can be shewed as his understanding is degrees above mine I hope also by comparing the bodie of their beliefe and the ground of their authoritie that little that can be drawn out of the fourth of the Ephesians with the Myriads of contradiction in Transubstantion he will come to see that their pillars are too weake to hold up any building be it never so light and their building is too heavie to bee held up by any pillars bee they never so strong and trust he will returne to us whom he will then finde that hee hath causesly left if hee be which I doubt not so ingenuous as not to hold an opinion because he turn'd to it nor to stay onely because he went Errata Pag. 30. line ult. for is greater of c. read is more receivable which is given to the Scripture FINIS Tom. 9. An 72. De fide 〈◊〉 2. lib. 2. c. In 6 cap. Ioh.