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A90187 Severall papers of the treatie between His Excellencie Iames Marques of Ormond, Lord Lieutenant Generall of Ireland for the King, on the one part; and Sir Thomas Wharton, Sir Robert King, Sir John Clotworthy, Sir Robert Meredith, knights, and Richard Salwey Esquire, commissioners authorized by the two Houses of Parliament of England; on the other part. VVith the commissioners instructions concerning the Lord of Ormond; the instructions concerning the Protestants of Ireland, & compositions of delinquents: His Excellencies answer; and the Lord Lieutenants reply. With their reply to all his exceptions. And the Kings Maj. directions. Ireland. Lord Lieutenant (1641-1649 : Ormonde); Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688.; Wharton, Thomas, Sir.; England and Wales. Sovereign (1625-1649 : Charles I); England and Wales. Parliament. 1646 (1646) Wing O458A; Thomason E378_4; ESTC R201374 32,080 45

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your_o answer_n the_o strength_n of_o your_o reason_n be_v thus_o that_o we_o do_v submit_v to_o the_o direction_n of_o both_o house_n of_o parliament_n for_o the_o order_n of_o the_o army_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o no_o inconvenience_n can_v happen_v to_o the_o protestant_n in_o ireland_n who_o be_v to_o be_v include_v in_o this_o treaty_n if_o they_o shall_v thereby_o conclude_v themselves_o to_o submit_v to_o all_o ordinance_n of_o the_o parliament_n of_o england_n which_o sure_o be_v no_o good_a consequence_n from_o one_o particular_a to_o conclude_v a_o general_a and_o if_o you_o will_v declare_v that_o by_o submit_v to_o all_o ordinance_n of_o parliament_n be_v only_o intend_v such_o ordinance_n as_o concern_v the_o order_n and_o dispose_n of_o the_o army_n though_o that_o offer_v of_o we_o be_v in_o case_n that_o way_n of_o accommodation_n which_o be_v wave_v by_o the_o parliament_n be_v lay_v hold_v of_o of_o any_o thing_n wherein_o we_o therefore_o conceive_v no_o use_n 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of_o dublin_n etc._n etc._n and_o how_o undoubted_o all_o must_v miscarry_v if_o supply_n do_v not_o speedy_o come_v that_o yet_o the_o king_n consent_n shall_v be_v so_o insist_v upon_o as_o none_o of_o the_o forementioned_a consideration_n shall_v purchase_v a_o dispensation_n therein_o and_o to_o induce_v we_o thereunto_o you_o propose_v unto_o we_o example_n of_o the_o deliver_n up_o of_o other_o garrison_n and_o force_n in_o england_n as_o in_o particular_a that_o of_o oxford_n etc._n etc._n without_o have_v any_o explicit_a direction_n from_o the_o king_n to_o deliver_v up_o the_o same_o we_o conceive_v the_o case_n of_o oxford_n to_o be_v different_a from_o this_o for_o sir_n thomas_n fairfax_n to_o who_o the_o city_n of_o oxford_n be_v render_v after_o some_o time_n of_o formal_a singe_v and_o the_o shed_n of_o blood_n on_o both_o fides_fw-la be_v not_o invite_v thither_o by_o those_o within_o to_o defend_v and_o relieve_v it_o against_o the_o expect_a attempt_n of_o another_o 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