end in this His case that hath so generall an influence upon all Nations they shall certainly perish Shall a poore indigent wretched inconsiderate man suffer death forfeit the wel-being of his posterity for a particular offence against a particular Law and shall He and His escape scot-free that for sixteene yeares without intermission brake the Law turned the government up-side downe Null'd Parlements and when craft and cruelty would not suffice rais'd a most unnaturall Warre against this Parliament intermixing the most devillish plots that ever were to destroy both Parlement and City murthering and destroying the most Religious and peaceable People in all places and never by all intreaties Treatyes Covenants and indulgence in all these could be drawne to give over his violent and inhumane courses till necessity enforc'd and then by a most unparaleld contrivance to intangle this Nation more then ever What can the true servants of the most just God say unto such a Person but as thy sword hath made so many thousand thousands of women childlesse so shal thy Mother be childlesse amongst women That our records might instruct posterity with such a memento as this and Samuel hewed Agag in peeces before the Lord in Gilgal Your toy's of evill Councell and the King can doe no wrong would not serve Agags turne nor Adonibezeck nor the five Kings that Joshua hung up who all might have pleaded evill Councell and the like but before just Judges such things are vanities for they know God will not so be mocked And if both Nations doe justly thus they ought to dispose of this Kings Person and then there is an end of this controversy That our English Parlement inclines to such a disposition appeares by voting of his Person to Warwick Castle but the Scots agree not to this vote but fal to an evident Treaty on His behalfe and not only for his immunity which with what conscience they can doe their death-beads will tell them and the blood of the slaine but for a necessity of restoring Him to his greatnesse and honour to justifie which their doings their and our Covenant with the most just God is by them insisted on to compell us to the same injustice if this be not the highest mockery that ever was offered unto God what is Yet this is that you glory to maintaine in them accounting of all the miseries of this Nation but as a hunting match or horse-race But you and they and their King whom they now â—â—alke with all will one day find that wilfull murthers must have another reckning maugre all King craft Clergy-craft and Court-craft in the world But if it were agreed they had a joynt and equall interest in the Person of the King and that they should differ about disposing of him the Parliament of England justly resolving to punish him and the Parliament of Scotland resolving to restore him to his honour and Authority admit the Parliament of England should understand that they were no waies bound to preserve his Person further then they found his Person in the defence of the true Protestant Religion the liberties of the People and privilige of Parliament as the Covenant doth manifestly imply and could be justly taken in no other sense but if they found him in the opposition of all those and in the violent prosecution of all kind of tyrany oppression and cruelty are they not plainly bound by the same Covenant to bring him to condigne punishment as the chiefe of all delinquents can the death of Straford Canterbury or any of the rest be justified if he escape that set them on worke and hath infinitly transcended them in Treasons against the Common-wealth If the Parliament of Scotland should persist in their interpretation of the Covenant that they understood the preservation of the Kings Person His Authority and power to be alwaies consistent with the preservation of Religion and the liberties of the People it will appeare an inforced construction because sinfull did you lift up your hand to the most-high God to bring delinquents to condigne punishmeÌ„ can you keep your CovenaÌ„t if he escape scot-free who in point of all this blood cruelty was aminenter causa sine qua non it could not be just to defend His Person in the opposition and destruction of true Religion and the liberties of the People but to destroy Him as any other nay as the King and the chiefe Captaine of the destroyers and this the People takle of freely one with other and the contrary being but the fruit of art and sophistry serveth to no other purpose but to exasperate them against whosoever useth those delusions abhominating that the lives of so many precious men and the ruine of so many honest families should be set at so cheap a rate the manifold sorrowes of their hearts and their being often deceived hath opened their understandings that they now see plainly through all those foldings and doublings 〈◊〉 they are but hated that use them But to the point admit the two Parliaments should thus differ what then becomes of your much laboured syllogisme You see the dispute is begun already Sir can you resolve who shall be judge of this controvercy if you can propose none as certainly you cannot what then must Scotlâ—nds resolution be a Law too England Your face indeed looks some what that way and so doe the Scotch-pepers too but why soâ— if the negative voice so much pleaded for by the friends of prerogative shall now be re-assum'd by the Scots in this dispute it will render the Parliament more incapable of preserving the Kingdome now then ever and while you pretend to avoid perjury you would enforce the Parliament upon an inevitable slavery If England and Scotland be truly measured England is by far the greater and much more populous and in all societies the Major part is conclusive or they can never come to any determination and then Englands resolution in this cause ought rather to conclude Scotland if Scotland thinkes this not reasonable what then must there be a strife about the Person why then strove they not who shall be most forward to bring him to justice a fiat justitiam ruanâ— coeli Why is there such a coyle about his honour and power that hath sought the ruine of all Sir what say you to that saying in the speech page the 13 the King haveing put himselfe frely into their hands they cannot with honour deliver him well let them warme the Snake as long as England did and they may hap to be yet as wel requited but what man that hath the use of reason beleeves the King cast himselfe freely upon them but upon preassurance of protection therefore talke not any longer of honour it is but a meere trick and it is discovered to their shame 't is not denied but they may have great use of him in many respects to make advantages upon this Nation but they are unjust and will never prosper
A CORRECTOR Of the ANSWERER To the Speech out of Doores IVSTIFYING THE VVORthy Speech of Master THOMAS CHALONER a faithfull Member of the Parlement of England EDINBURGH As truly Printed by Evan Tyler printer to the Kings most excellent Majestie as were the Scotish papers Anno. 1646. A CORRECTOR OF THE ANSWERER TO the speech out of doores Iustifying the worthy Speech of Mr. THOMAS CHALONER a faithfull Member of the Parlement of England Courtly Sir YOu are much mistaken the answer you make to your own questions doe not satisfie there are indeed that aske who you are and what you meane and they conclude you to be one that was an ear-witnesse of that worthy gentlemans speech else what meanes that parenthesis in the 12. line of the second page of your paper and the rather because you seem'd to be bitten by the Dogge that is not worth the whisling after and make an out-crie upon 't but deal as clearely as you can is it not an ill Dogge that is not worth the whisling after Or is there any but children mad-men or worse that take care for such as byte destroy doe mischiefe or foule the house As for the debate at the Comoedie in Oxford concerning the fittest place for the Kings Throne the determination whereof was so difficult that some thought it best to erect none at all it is a very instructive passage and may teach to purpose though your graâ—d Master will give you small thanks for declaring thereof without doores if a just application be made thereof what thankes you deserve you shall be sure of shall you not You say you are one that hath adhered to the Parlement all along it were well if all alike from the beginning of the warre a quantum mutatis ab illo what a thousand pitties it is your name was forgotten had you only affixed that to your paper every man would have recounted the great service you have done were you a shamed of your name or were you not You know it is not faire to answer a thing that hath a name without a name You say you have served the Parliament faithfully in their lowest condition t was pitty you had not goodnesse sufficient to hold out to the end but it seemes you did as some others about the time of Branfords-Skirmish dis-relish the exigent though you fac't not quite about to Oxford yet you fac't to Kingston have look't on ever since and sometime have cast an eye as far as Vxbridge have you not Nay you are a Champion for the Parliament Resolving to be still for them in that which is just right against any Person or Nation in the World * Latet anguis in herba By any meanes make your name publick there may be uses for you that you cannot imagine but stay a little may you not carry two faces under one hood Who doe you intend shall be judge of what is right just in this your resolution Beleeve it by your writing good men feare that either your understanding is very erronious or your conscience very dead or corrupt and then if you will be judge your selfe the Parliament were better to be without your service resolution and indeed for all your boasting 't is thought you have been and are but a back-friend that you row one way and looke another which in plain English if not in Scotch is to play the disembling hypocrite is it not You mightily over value your own art and Sophistry and as much under value the judgements of others if you imagine your delusion is not espied by every common capacity you write not in defence of the Scotch papers but of the honour of the Parlement Oh that Englands Parlement were advised of Joabs treachery who while he saith art thou in health my Brother and salutes it with a pretended Kisse sheds out the very bowells of it on the ground 2 Samuel 20 10. either be what thou seemest or seeme what thou art this sneaking in the head and byting by the heele manifests a Serpent and that the poyson of aspes is under your tongue if there were no more this large Machivilian preface of yours if well weighed would sufficiently declare You presume not to examine or at all to intermeddle with any thing spoken within those wals is that true But how comes that passage without doors to escape your examen which is placed immediatly before the Argument page the third of Mr. Chaloners Speech can you give an account of your silence therein your descanting upon the other parts of the speech and passing over that passage in silence gives just ground to think that your most politick observation could not reach to defend your checks from collusion and eminent receding from their Covenant therein If you write not in defence of the Scotch papers what meanes then your strong conceited syllogisme If your juggling be not palpable to your selfe you have indeed lost your judgement but it 's rather to be feared you have sold both judgement and conscience for worldly respects You cannot but know what may be and what hath been said and maintained too of contrivances and contracts conducing to the Kings addresse to the Scots so much is avoucht beleeved and commoÌ„ly discourst of as dissolves the knot in your argumeÌ„t the Covenant it self being first cut in the midst with a dudgion dagger whether the English would or no assure your selfe the foundation of your syllogisme ought to have been the Kings voluntary uninvited uncontracted going to the Scots If you will have it of any force with the People for most men doe confidently beleeve there was all the parts of a reall bargaine in the businesse and must have more then the Scots word or the Embassâ—dors faith or the Kings Oath to prove the contrary and then what becomes of the weight you lay upon the Covenant Treaty or Law of the Nationâ—â— But admitly our syllogisme held good in all parts and that the King were his owne man a midst the Scots what 's the issue why then say you His person is not to be disposed of but by joynt consent of both Nations Well be it so neverthelesse both Nations are bound to agree in what is just * Duramentum non est vinculum iniquitatis neither Covenant nor Treaty nor Law of Nations can bind in any thing that in it selfe is evill and sinfull concerning the Kings person then should both Nations consider what in justice is to be done In the first place would they not consider what the King had done both before the Warre and since the Warre Would they not consider what the proper difference is between a King and a Tyrant and finding the latter caracter upon him how then ought they to dispose of his Person What punishment would appeare sufficient for Himselfe What would become of his posterity Justice impartially being agreed upon by both Nations And if they should not propose justice as their
when they have done all they can they 'le find many of those they thinke they have sufficiently deluded perverted that yet wil never be alienated from our English Parliament nor be wanting to make good their Votes and resolutions and also their interpretations There are no great â—â—â—er of your perfidious temper that employ your English parts and abilities to plead for deceit Tyrany basely to inthrall your native Country what hath provoked you to so great a wickednesse or are you by some notorious practices become so obnoxious that you cannot thinke your selfe safe if justice be prosecuted impartially Doe you fear it will at last arrive at you it can be no other if so yet be advised repent and make amends adde not evill to evill lest to escape the Pan you leap into the Fire with the just you may find mercy happily your evill is over and past hurting and will never be remembred if you cast your selfe on strangers they know wherefore you doe it and when you have dontheir worke wil cast you off loving the work but abhominating the instrument besides your labour falls upon a knowing People and makes no impression when judicious men read your inference upon the Covenant defending therein the affirmations in the Scots papers touching the Kings Person and after read over that breife passage of M. Chaloners speech all that you have said comes to nothing and you and your Master are great loosers so unadvisedly occasioning the receiving of that worthy and effectuall passage which in due thankfulnesse to that faithfull judicious and true lover of his Country shall be here recited word for word deserving indeed to be ingraven in Marble and to remaine in the Commons House to all posterity They say saith he meaning the Scots papers that by vertue of the Covenant they are obliged to defend his Person and Authority What his Authority is in Scotland themselves best know but you only are to judge of is in England since being not 〈◊〉 to thy power on Earth there is no power under Heaven can judge you The Covenant ties you to maintaine in the first place the Rights of Parliament and the liberties of the Kingdome and in the second place the Kings Person and Authority and that only in defence of the former and not otherwise And whereas they expect the King should be received by you with honour safety and freedome I beseech you Sir consider whether as the case now stands his Reception with Honour can stand with the Honour of the Kingdome whether his safety be not incompatible with the safety of the Common wealth and whether his freedome be not inconsistant with the freedome of the People I pray Sir take heed lest that bringing him in with Honour you doe not dishonour your selfe and question the very justice of all your Actions be wray that in receiving him with safety you doe not thereby endanger and hazard the Common-wealth be advised lest in bringing him home with freedome you doe not thereby lead the people of England in thraldome I pray Sir first settle the honour safety and freedome of the Common-wealth and then the honour safety and freedome of the King so far as the latter may stand with the former and no otherwise Wherfore I shall conclude with my humble desire that you would adheare to your former Vote that is that the King be disposed of as both Houses of Parliament shall thinke fitting and that you enter into no Treaty neither with the King or your Brethren of Scotland lest otherwise thereby you retard the going home of their Army out of England Sir by what you have written it will appeare what your meaning is you doe but flatter your selfe your Conscience wil be too strong for you and condemne you wheresoever you are it will aflict you in your private and distract you in your publick occasions in the end death comes and what will be the fruit of those things whereof you will be then ashamed when Mr. Chaloner that true friend to the people shall have peace in the cleere discharge of his trust and be for ever beloved af all good men both in Parliament and Common-wealth You are justly attended with the common unhappinesse of hypocrites which is to over act and thereby to discover themselves most when they intend most to hide themselves so fareth it with you in the beginning progresse and end of your discourse being professedly for the honour of the Parliament when nothing was ever written more manifestly to the dishonour thereof yet that in the close of all you might be thought to be a friend you sing this song to the tune of the old Letany from the plots both of sectaries and Malignants good Lord deliver us But Sir are you sure you are no Sectary It is much to be feared you are then is risen up of late a sect called the Scotch paper sect a very dangerous sect a sect that hath plots and design and tricks and contrivances are not you a principall member of this new sect It is most evident you are it is not supposed you are zealously of any other sect or Religion what ever you professe your papers acquit you from all suspition thereof for most of thâ—â—â— that are called sectaries are true lovers of Englands interest and have a care to admit none but honest men into their fellowships and their plots are to preserve with their lives and estates those just liberties of this Nation and priviledges of Parliament whereof you and such as you are are making an uncleanly conveyance and felling for some vile and unworthy respects and bless your selves from those plots of sectaries But why shame you to be thought a Malignant you know and it is evident you are one and it is pretty well in fashion and if you would openly professe it it would grow in favour 't is nothing but your taking and pleading for the Covenant that distinguishâ—â— you and that 's now a dayes as much as nothing what is it so long as you are your own in â—rpreâ—â—â—â— besides you see it is the most likely to bring in the King your head come it had been ill for you and He and all the Malignants in England if it had not been for the Covenant and therefore presse it all you can that it may upon penalty be taken by all men throughout the Nation for certainly all the Malignants will take it and then they shall no longer be called malignants but Covenanters and if any scruple it it will be those sectaries that have subdued the King your Master and all his forces except before excepted and let those be called malignants and then if it were not for this Parliament yee Covenanters would have a merry world once againe and might take another course to answer such speeches as Mr. Chaloners you remember what was done in the third yeare of this King those were brave courses and you long to see them againe doe you not Indeed you have cause for if Gentlemen of his ability in the House as God be blessed there are very many doe but put forth their parts hence forward as he hath done all your art and sophistry will compas nothing but your own shame and ruine which is the Just reward of your Treachery and most perfidious breach of the trust you have undertaken FINIS