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A56213 The substance of a speech made in the House of Commons by Wil. Prynn of Lincolns-Inn, Esquire, on Munday the fourth of December, 1648 touching the Kings answer to the propositions of both Houses upon the whole treaty, whether they were satisfactory, or not satisfactory : wherein the satisfactorinesse of the Kings answers to the propositions for settlement of a firm lasting peace, and future security of the subjects against all feared regall invasions and encroachments whatsoever is clearly demonstrated ... and that the armies remonstrance, Nov. 20, is a way to speedy and certain ruine ... / put into writing, and published by him at the importunate request of divers members, for the satisfaction of the whole kingdome, touching the Houses vote upon his debate. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1649 (1649) Wing P4093; ESTC R38011 126,097 147

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certain destructions and desolation to this poor Kingdome and more especially to the Army and their adherents in this desperate advice who must stand or fall upon their own bottome without the least aid or contribution from any other I desire them and all others who have either eyes or brains in their heads most seriously to consider But that which makes me most of all detest this desperate advice is this That it is the only way that can be thought upon to accomplish the Popes and Jesuites designs to set up Popery and subvert the Protestant Religion and professors of it in all our three Kingdoms and in all forraign Realms beyond the Seas For if this reforming Parliament which hath pretended so much to the extirpation of Popery shall so far play the Popes and Jesuites the undoubted contrivers of this Armys New-model of our peace and settlement as to depose and behead the King his father and forever disinherit him of the Crown bring him as a Traitor to die without mercy if he come hither It wil so far provoke and exasperate him the Duke being both young and of generous spirits not throughly grounded in our Religion and under the Queens tuition and in the power of this popish party abroad who will aggravate these high affronts and injuries put upon them to the utmost and on whose protection they will be in this case necessitated to cast themselves that there is great fear and probability they will immediately renounce such a bloody and detestable Religion as shall ins●igate us to such horrid actions and Councels and abominate all the professors of it so as totally to abandon them and turn Roman Catholicks in good earnest and then match themselves to great potent popish Alliances and by their purses forces and assistance and of the Popes and all his Catholick sonnes in Forraigne parts for the advancement of the Catholick cause and of the popish Malignants and discontented parties in England Scotland and Ireland which will questionlesse receive and assist the Prince as their Soveraign Lord and King invade our poore impoverished divided and distressed kingdom with such a power as in all humane probability would speedily over-runne and destroy this mutinous Army and the Houses too put them with their adherents to the Sword without mercy or quarter and disinherit them and their heirs for ever to revenge their Fathers blood and their dis-inherison of the Crown c. And then Popery and Prelacy will both return with greater authority power approbation then ever over-spread our whole three kingdoms and extirpate our Religion the professors of it as the most anti-Monarchical treacherous and perfidious bloody Miscreants under heaven excite all other forraign States and kingdoms to do the like to prevent the springing up of a new generation of treacherous King-killing State-subverting Agitators and Hypocritical perfidious Army-Saints and engage all Protestant kingdoms Churches and States for their own security and vindication to disclaim and declare against us This questionlesse will be the sad inevitable issue of this Jesuiticall advice if ever the Houses or Army shall put it into actuall execution and not speedily prevent it it being long since fore-plotted by the Jesuites as I shall prove anon at the beginning of the late Warre against the Scots But if the Prince and Duke be set aside I would gladly learn of these Statists who and what King they would set up Not any of the Kings posterity certainly since they dis-inherit two at a blow and the blood being corrupted by the Kings and their attainders no other heir can inherit it by descent it must escheat to the Houses or Armies disposal and become no kingdom at all but an Elective one if any And is this the next way to peace and settlement If so I have certainly lost my reason and senses too No it will be a seminary of lasting Wars of which few elective Kingdoms are long free every new election producing commonly a new Warre where there is no pretence of an hereditary succession much more where a right heir is forcibly and unjustly dis-inherited I shall give you but one instance though I could name you divers and that is a memorable one at home in our owne kingdom King Henry the first having one onely daughter Maud to reserve the Crown unto her after his death caused her to be crowned and made all the Prelates and Nobles swear to receive her as their Queen and Princesse after his decease But she marrying afterwards to the Emperour and being out of the Realme when King Henry died The Archbishop of Canterbury with the rest of the Prelates and Nobles contrary to their Oath and agreement elected Stephen Earle of Bloyes for their King and put by Maud the right heir Stephen taking an Oath to grant and confirm those Laws and Liberties for the kingdoms peace and settlement as they propounded to him before his Coronation A very likely means to settle Peace and prosperity as they imagined But was the event answerable No verily this cursed perjury and pollicy brought all the chiefe contrivers of it to great calamity and miserable ends and engendred a bloody civill Warre in the bowels of this kingdom which continued no lesse then seventeene years together with interchangeable successes till the whole kingdom was laid waste and desolate most Houses Towns and Villages burned to the ground their Gardens and Orchards quite destroyed their monies and estates exhausted and plundered their Cattle and flocks consumed and eaten up their Fields over grown with weeds in stead of Corne most of the people devoured by the Sword Famine and Pestilence and eleven hundred Castles Holds and Garrisons erected which were no other but dens of Theeves and Plunderers This was the peace and settlement this policy produced At last both Parties weary of the Wars out of pure necessity came to a Personall Treaty and in conclusion made this agreement That Stephen having no issue of his body should enjoy the Crowne during his life and Henry son and heir to Maud and next heir also to Stephen should succeed him after his death and in some sort officiate with him in the kingdoms Govenment during his life And so these long lasting Warres concluded after which there were at least eleven hundred Castles demolished by order of Parliament crected during these wars to the Countreys utter undoing But if we dis-inherit the Prince and Duke for ought I discern if they suddainly recover not their possession of the Crown of England after one seven years of Warre already elapsed we may have seventeen years more and seventeen after that again and be reduced to a more miserable condition then our Ancestors were in King Stephens dayes And that upon these two grounds First the contest then was onely between two Competitors for this one kingdom who had no other kingdoms of their own to side with them But the Prince and Duke being successively heirs as well to
security that 25 of the eminentest Barons should be made Conservators of the Magna Char. and that all the rest of the Barons and people should take an Oath to be aiding and assisting to them in their preservation thereof and that the King should surrender into their hands his four principall Castles that so it he infringed his Charter they might compell him to observe it This was the highest Militia and security of that kind our Ancestors ever demanded or enjoyed which is nothing comparable unto that now granted us by the King who rested satisfied therewith 3. Because the King and his successors are hereby not only totally disabled to raise any forces to oppresse the people or disturb their peace and settlement but all persons discouraged from aiding or assisting them by any Commission or authority whatsoever under pain of high Treason and losse both of life and estate at the pleasure of both Houses without any benefit of pardon from the KING disabled for to grant it So great a discouragement for any persons of fortune or quality to appear for the King or his party in the Field for time to come that in all humane probability none ever will or dare to appear in arms hereafter for the King against the Parliament being sure to forfeit all without any hopes of pardon And if this Act had been passed as a Law before our Wars I dare presume not any one English Lord or Gentleman durst once to have appeared in the Field for the King and wee had never felt the miseries of a civill War Fourthly Because the Militia of Ireland Ier●y Guernsey and Wales as well as England is wholly transferred from the King to the Houses so as we need fear no danger thence and the Militia of Scotland being in their Parliaments disposall if wee hold a Brotherly correspondency with them I know no other enemies we need to fear for the Navy being in the Houses power wee need not fear any forraigne invasion that can hurt us if we can agree at home All which considered I dare assert we have now the greatest security of any people under Heaven against all armed regall force and power the King having given up all his Military power into the Houses actuall possission and resigned his Sword and Armes into their hands And if we refuse to accept it now he so freely resignes it we may fight till doomesday but never win nor hope for the like security or advantage yea the present age and all posterity will curse and abhor us for not embracing and resting satisfied with such unparalleld security But is this all the security the King hath granted us in this Treaty No verily there is yet much more behind which hath not yet been opened The Kings of England have alwaies held two swords in their hands which when ill managed have hurt destroyed their Subjects The first is the sword of Mars in times of War which is already sheathed and resigned into the Houses hands by the precedent concessions so as it can never wound them more The other is the sword of Iustice in times of Peace and this likewise the King hath wholly given up into the Houses power for twenty years as he hath the Militia so that it can never hurt them nor any English man or other Subject hereafter at least for twenty years This sword was formerly intrusted by the King in the Judges and great Officers hands● had they been so couragious so upright as they should the King could never have wounded or ruined the meanest of his Subjects with this Sword Shipmoney Kingh●hood with other Grievances Monoplies neither would nor could have been imposed on the people by the Kings Prerogative or power had the Judges according to Law and duty declared them illegall The Kingdome can do no injustice to any it his Judges be so just and stout as to do justice Whereupon this House impeached only the Judges not blamed the King for the project of Shipmony to which their opinions in Mr. Hampdens Case gave life vigor Now the King in this Treaty hath for twenty yeeres at least granted to both Houses the nomination and appointment of all the Great Officers Civill or Military and of all the Judges and Barons of his Courts and Exchequers within England and Ireland to continue in their places only quom diu bene se gesserint So as these great Officers Judges having now no dependence at all upon the King who can neither place nor displace any of them but wholly upon the Houses of Parliament and such as they shall appoint to nominate them in the Intervals of Parliament if the Houses have a care to make good Officers and Judges in all Courts at first and to displease and punish them as they may and ought to do when they degenerate or misdemean themselves the King with all his legall power now left him can neither injure nor oppresse the poorest Subject in body goods or Estate nor protect the greatest malefactor from justice And what more can we desire to expect for the security of our lives liberties or estates than this Besides as the● King hath intrusted you with the Sword and Courts of Justice and Revenue so hath he with his Conscience and Courts of Equity too You have the nomination of the Lord Chancellours Lord Keepers and Commissioners of his great Seals of England and Ireland of the Chancellours of the Exchequer and Dutchy and Masters of the Rolls as well in Ireland as England who are the Dispensers of his Equity Conscience to his Subjects the Issuers of al his Commissions Writs Patents and keepers of all his publique Records If this be not enough you have the disposall of his purse and Treasure too The nomination of the Lord Treasurers both of England and Ireland of the Chancellours and Barons of the Exchequers in both and of the Vice-Treasurer and Treasurer of Wars in Ireland Would you have yet more You have the nomination of the Lord Deputy and chief Governour of Ireland and of all the Presidents of the severall Provinces of that Kingdome for twenty years and of all other forenamed great Officers Judges and Treasurers there a great strength and reall addition to the Militia of that Kingdome which can never doe us harm if we accept of these concessions which invest us in such power there as no Parl. of England ever yet expected nor laid claim to What is there yet remaining for your safety Perchance you will suspect the King may have many secret designs and intercourses with forraign enemies and States and grand Malignants at home to undo all which we shall never discover without some further provisions then yet we have made Truly no you have a remedy already provided and granted for this The nomination and appointing of the Lord Warden of the Cinque-ports the principall gates to let in or keep out Forraign Enemies or Spies and of the Secretaries of State who will be
the Crowns of Scotland and Ireland as England will have their aid and assistance and of their forraign Friends too to carry on the wars till they have got possession of the Crowne of England upon better terms then ever they are like to enjoy it if we accept of the K. Concessions which we can never expect from them if we depose and kil the King and dis-inherit banish them for Traitors Secondly Stephen the actuall King then had no issue at all and Henry was next heir to the Crown both to Maud and him so as both Titles meeting in him the controversie and wars must needs cease But if we shall now set up a new King by Election either of the Kings line or otherwise as long as there is either an Elective King or hereditary to exclude this Prince or Duke or either of their heirs to whom the inheritance of the Crown belongs of right we can neither hope for nor expect either peace or settlement in this kingdom as the bloody and long lived wars between the two Houses of Lancaster and York will inform us which never ended till they were both united in King Henry the seventh The Armies next proposall to settle the kingdoms peace is as bad as any of the former to wit the speedy dissolving of this present Parliament which if not presently consented to for ought I discerne by their last Declaration they are resolved to dissolve it by open violence on the Houses which they threaten A Tempest certainly of the Jesuites raising to blow down this Parliament as they would have blown up that of 3 Iacobi with Gun-powder But is this a way to safety and settlement to dissolve the onely visible meanes of both If the King Prince Duke Parliament be all dissolved and quite laid aside what meanes or hopes at all of peace of safety of settlement can any man in his right senses rationally see or imagine Is the overturning of the very Foundations and Pillars of our Church and Kingdom the best and safest way to settle and preserve them Is it not the onely certain way to subvert and ruine them Such wayes of peace and settlement a● these are fitter for Bedlam then a Parliament house Yea but they have one infallible way more to which all the rest are but preparatory to settle peace and safety in our Kingdoms which they idolize almost to wit A new Representative or mo●k-Parliament to be immediately subscribed to and set up in post haste constituted neither of King nor Lords the brats of Tyranny and the Norman Conquest as some of themselves pretend as this Representative is of the Armies nor yet of Knights Citizens and Burgesses duly elected but of a selected company of politick Mechanicks pragmaticall Levellers and Statesmen of the General Councel of the Army as they stile themselves by what Commissiom I know not who have usurped the whole Power both of King Parliament Assembly and all Courts of Iustice before their Representative be setled as a true pattern of it which they are to imitate A meer Whimsicall Vtopia and Babel of confusion invented by the Iesuites to please the vulgar rabhle and stir them up to mutinies against King Lords Commons Gentlemen and their Superiours of all ranks that they alone may possesse and sway the reins of Government Magistracy and Ministry to which they have now prepared their tumultuous spirits Much might be said against it but I shall contract my self because nothing can be so much as probably pretended for it First It is a new Jesuiticall popish Gunpowder Treason with a witnesse which blowes up and destroyes at once the King Prince Duke Lords Knights of Shires Citizens Burgesses this present and all future Parliaments and noblest ancientest Cities and Boroughs of England It not this a blessed invention to settle peace and safety Secondly It blows up both our Magistracy Ministry Laws Liberties Judges and Courts of Justice at one crack and breaks them all in pieces to raise up this new Bab●● out of all their ruines And is not this a blessed new invention of Jesuites and Saints to settle peace Thirdly It blows up all our Oaths of Supremacy and Allegeance Protestations solemn Leagues and Covenants all former numerous Declarations Remonstrances Votes and Resolutions of one or both Houses of Parliament not to alter the present form of Government by King Lords Commons and other ordinary Magistrates and ministers of publick Iustice or●●e● loose the golden reins of government to Blasphemies Heresies Errors Libertinisme Pr●phanenesse Schisme all sorts of Religions It unsettles all things to settle that which is worse then nothing And is this the way to safety tranquillity or settlement Fourthly it enforceth a● Subscription more unjust unreasonable illegall tyrannicall and penall then ever the Bishops or Pope invented invents and sets up the very worst of Monopolies a Monopoly of Electors of Elections and of Representatives elected engrossing all mens ancient Rights Liberties priviledges of election without consent or title into the hands of those who never had a right unto them the people who are no Free-holders no Free-Burgesses free-Citizens or men capable of Votes by Law and these people no other then the Army themselves and some of their levelling Confederates who must possesse judge rule usurp the Rights and Priviledges of the whole Kingdome in point of electing Parliament Members without Charter or Title A cursed Monopoly which will discontent all men who are thus injuriously deprived of their Rights and produce nought else but infinite animosities factions fractions and tumuls throughout the Kingdome and discontent all wise all honest men who will rather die then not oppose it unto death as carrying the death a●d funerall of al peace settlement Parliaments the Kingdome in its bowels And is this a fit tool to peece and unite our shattred Kingdome and settle peace amongst us Fifthly It no way extends to Ireland or our Islands but to England onely it will require many years time and triall to settle and secure its own being priviledge power and gain any general obedience to its new erected Soveraignty so that our Church and State will be sunk and drowned and Ireland inevitably lost before this Ark will or can be prepared for their safety Sixthly This New● Representative in this new Remonstrance is in terminis nought else but the very Agreement of the people presented to the House by the Agitators accompanied with some Iesuites on the 9. of Novemb. 1647. then and in that very month twice by two expresse Votes upon solemn debate and an Ordinance of both Houses in December following resolved to be destructive to the being of Parliaments and to the fundamentall Government of the Kingdome and a signall brand of disability and imprisonment imposed on the contrivers and presenters of it and then condemned by the Generall and his Councell of Warre who shot one White to death for abetting it of which more a non Therefore
of Shew-bread in it self was no morall evill nor the saving of a Mans ●x or Asses life but a thing lawfull and commendable But the resisting of lawfull Authority contrary to Duty Oath Covenant aud offering unjust violence to the persons of those whom the Army are obliged to protect and have no authority by the law of God or Man to seize or imprison is a morall sinne against the Fifth Commandement and many expresse Texts fore-quoted Therefore the cases are no wayes parallel Secondly The eating ●of Shewbread in case of necessity to preserve life only is neither within the intention nor meaning of Exodus 25. 30. 31. as Abimelech himself acknowledged to David in these words The Bread IS IN A MANNER COMMON c. 1 Sam. 21. 5. And our Saviour himself seems to intimate Matth. 12. 4. That the pulling out of an Ox or Asse on the Sabbath day being an extraordinary act of mercy and necessity too was not within the intent of the Fourth Commandement though within the words Whereas the violence done to our persons and the Houses is both within the words and intention of the forecited Texts Thirdly These two necessities were present absolute certain and that onely to save the life of a hungry or sick person or of a perishing beast But the Officers and Armies lives were not now in any imminent danger of death for want of bread nor their Horses of Asses cast into a ditch by us and the imprisonment of our persons was neither to preserve their own nor their horses lives from present death but to hinder us from preserving the lives of three dying Kingdoms Therefore these examples and Texts are very extravagant Fourthly Though David and his Young-men did eat the Shewbread yet it is observable that they did not take it away violently from the Priests though it were to save their lives as souldiers now take free-quarter against mens wills nor offered any violence to Abimelech's person nor put him by his Priests Office as some Souldiers now forcibly enter into our Ministers Pulpits when there is no necessity But they staid till they had his opinion in point of conscience whether they might take it and till the Priest GAVE HIM THE HALLOWED BREAD So as the Argument from hence must be David and his men even in case of necessity to save their lives would not take so much as a loaf of bread till the Priest voluntarily gave it them Ergo the Officers and Army may lawfully take Free-quarter upon and forcibly seclude and imprison the Members of Parliament against their duties Covenant and their consents Is not this pretty Logick and Divinity from John Goodwin who deems himself the only compleat Disputant and Divine in the Kingdom Doth not the contrary directly follow from the Text Ergo they ought not to take Free-quarter nor offer the least violence to their persons without their consents according to John Baptists Doctrine to Souldiers Luke 3. 14. Do violence to no man Fifthly The other Argument is as absurd It is lawfull to pull an Ox or an Asse on the Sabbath day out of a ditch to save their lives Ergo It is lawfull for the Officers and Army forcibly to imprison and seclude 200 Commoners out of the House and keep a force upon the House yea to send armed Regiments of Morse upon the Sabbath day round about London streets and the Countrey when there is no necessity to destroy mens lives and liberties and three Kingdoms too Sixthly Could Oxen and Asses fallen into a ditch speak as well as men in a ditch they would call for help to draw them forth to preserve their lives So that this Act of Charity not Violence in pulling them out on the Sabbath day is with their full and free consents and desires Then set the comparison right and the Argument thence must be this A man on the Sabbath day out of meer charity and necessity may lawfully pull a Man Ox or Asse out of a deep ditch at their requests and desire where as the Iew at Teukesbury perished in the Iakes out of which he would not be pulled on his Sabbath Ergo the Officers and Army may lawfully cast the Members of Parliament by force and violence into Hell prison and use them worse then any Oxe or Asse without and against their consents and priviledges I hope Balaam's Asse with a mans voice will rebuke the iniquity and madness of this false Prophet and absurd disputer who is like to David's Horse and Mule without understanding whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle lest he fall upon us hereafter in such foul scurrilous language as he hath done already in his Might overcoming Right which will vanquish Might at last in despite of all the Forces on Earth I have no more to add but only this That if holy David himself had now been a Member of the Commons-house or King of England he had certainly been seized secured and secluded the House by the Officers of the Army and condemned by some sitting Members for this one Divine sentence of his Psalm 120. 6 7. My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth Peace I am for peace but when I speak thereof they are for War This is my only crime and those secluded with me That we passed a Vote for the settlement of Peace upon the Treaty But let me speak to these Members Officers of the Army and their Chaplain Peters who are such Enemies to our Peace which had by Gods blessing been firmly setled and secured before this had not the Army thus violently interrupted us and put us upon Iesuiticall dangerous new wayes of new Wars and certain ruine instead of peace in the words of our Savior unto Peter when he drew his sword and smote off the High-priests servants ear Put up thy sword into the scabberd for all they that take the Sword shall perish by the Sword He that will causlesly lengthen out a Warr to the ruine of Kingdomes when he may have Peace upon safe just and honorable terms shall be sure to perish by the sword of War or Iustice upon earth The true meaning of that Text Gen. 9. 6. Who so sheddeth mans bloud by man shall his bloud be shed more properly applyable to Souldiers in the letter who have slain men in the Wars then to the King himself who never actually shed any mans bloud who is none of those Heathen Kings within Hugh Peters Text Psalm 149. 7 8. Whom the Army-Saints have not only bound in Chains but intend to Execute not with the two-edged sword of the word of God according to the words of the sense of the Text but with the A● and Sword of Iustice contrary to the Text without and against all President Law and Justice to the eternall infamy of our Religion which detest such Jesuitism And shall never enjoy temporall spirituall or eternall peace in earth or heaven nor any blessing or protection from the God
thus removed I proceed to the the second to wit that I am an enemy to the Army and therefore what I shall speak may be interpreted to proceed only from opposition against them and their Remonstrance concerning which I freely uttered my suddain thoughts immediately after its reading in the House To this I answer that I have alwaies been a real friend and welwisher to this Army from their first modelling til now in what ever they have acted in their sphear as Souldiers for the publique safety When they were first formed into a body the Committee of Accompts whereof I was a Member those they engaged advanced about thirty thousand pounds of the fourscore thousand to set them out Since that I have freely contributed towards their pay prayed constantly for their good success joined in all publike thanksgivings for the Victories obtained by them made honorable mention of them and their heroick actions in some of my writings and particularly dedicated one Book I since compiled to the General himself as I had done former Books to others of your Generals for to do him all the honour that possibly I could for his renowned Actions Besides I have lately signed Warrants to get in their Arrears and promoted an Ordinance for that purpose all I could since my entrance into this House All which considered with this addition that some of them have bin my ancient intimate friends never did me the least injury I hope no Member can be so partial as to report me such a professed enemy to them as in this grand debate to go against my judgment or conscience in opposition only unto their desires True it is when the Army have forgot their duty or offered violence to the priviledges Members freedom or proceedings of Parl. or endeavoured to engage them to break their publike faith to the King or kingdom in breaking off the Treaty contrary to their votes and engagement or to infringe their solemn League and Covenant or to enforce them to subvert the fundamental Government Laws Liberties of the kingdom or the very freedom and being of Parl. as they have done in their late Remonstrance and Declaration and some other printed papers since heretofore I have then in discharge of my covenant conscience and duty opposed and spoken against these their exorbitances as much as any not out of malice but out of love to reclaim them from their evill destructive courses and counsels according to Gods own precept Lev. 19. 17. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thy heart but shalt in any wise rebuke thy Neighbour and not suffer sin upon him And seeing I have alwayes with like freedome opposed and written against the exorbitances and errour of the King Court Prelates Parliament Committees Presbyterians Independents Lawyers and all other sorts of men in reference to the publick good the Army and their friends have no cause at all to censure me as their enemy but rather to esteem me as their friend for using the like freedom towards them and their exorbitances especially in this House Having removed these two prejudices I shall now addresse my self to the question in debate which hath been thus propounded Whether the Kings answers to the Propositions of both Houses taken altogether upon the whole Treaty be satisfactory or unsatisfactory This being an equivocall question not hitherto clearly stated and debated by those who have spoken to it most of them being much mistaken in it I must crave leave to give you the true state of it before I shall debate it for which purpose I must distinguish in what sense it is not satisfactory to any in this House yet in what respect it will appear satisfactory to all or most of us who are not blinded with passion or prejudice agaisnt the King or misled by affection meerly to please the Army which many have made their principal argument wherefore it is not satisfactory If the question be propounded and intended in this sense Whether the Kings answers to all the Propositions be satisfactory that is whether the King hath granted all the Propositions sent unto him in as large and ample manner as both Houses did propound them then it is certain his Answers are not satisfactory in tha which concerns Delinquents Bishops and Bishops Lands and the Covenant though they are voted satisfactory as to all the rest by both Houses And in this sense only those who have concluded them not satisfactory have stated and disputed the Question But this under favour neither is nor can be the state or sense of the question for these reasons First because these Propositions were sent by the Houses to the King not as Bills of Parliament to be granted in terminis without debate or alteration but only as Propositions to be debated treated upon personally with the King as the Votes of both Houses and instructions to the Commissioners sent to the Isle of Wight resolve past all dispute now it is directly contrary to the nature of all treaties especially such as are personall to tie up the parties of either side so precisely that they shall have no liberty to vary from their first proposals in any particular or if they condescend not to what ever was at first demanded by the stronger party that the condescensions should not be satisfactory though they yeeld to all just things and fall short only in some few of least concernment This is evident by all Treaties heretofore between England France Spain and other forraign Nations if you peruse their first demands which were never condescended to but alwaies receded from and qualified in some particulars on either fide Iniquum petas ut justum fer as being a rule in Treaties amongst Statesmen There have been many Treaties during these Wars between the Officers of the Parliament and Kings party about surrenders of divers Cities and Garrisons wherein the first Propositions on either side have been moderated or changed and yet agreed and accepted at last as satisfactory to both sides In all ordinary Treaties concerning Marriages purchases and ordinary bargains in Fairs Markets or Shops there are usually greater sums of money demanded at first on the one and lesse proferred on the other side then is accepted and given at last and yet both parts close agree and are ful satisfied so may we do now with the King upon the whole Treaty though the King grants not fully all that we at first proposed Secondly because the Houses have already voted the Kings Concessions of the Great Offices of England and Ireland to be at their disposal for 20. years to be satisfactory though their demand was for perpetuity which they would not have done had the satisfactorinesse of the Kings answers depended upon the full concession of that Proposition as amply as it is penned Thirdly because the Houses in their last propositions demand farre more then ever they did in most former Treaties and the King hath granted them
being more then was ever thought of or desired in the Treaty of Peace in February and March 1642. The second Proposition fully granted by the King for the setling and securing of the State and Religion too against the Kings armed power is the setling of the whole Militia by Sea and Land and Navy of England Ireland and the Isles and Dominions thereunto belonging by Act of Parliament in the hands and disposall of both Houses and such as they shall appoint for the space of twenty years with power to raise moneys for all forces raised by them for Land or Sea service during that space or time which forces are authorised to suppresse all forces raised or to be raised in or any forraigne forces which shall invade the Realms of Engl. Ireland or the Dominions and Isles thereunto belonging without Authority and consent of the Lords and Commons in Parliament And it further provides that after the expiration of the said 20. years neither the King his heirs and successors nor any person or persons by colour or pretence of any Commission power Deputation or Authority to be derived from the King his Heirs or Successors or any of them shall raise array train imploy or dispose of any of the forces by Sea or Land of the Kingdomes of England and Ireland the Dominion of Wales Isles of G●ernsep and Iersey or of Barwick upon Tweed nor execute any power or authority touching the same invested in the two Houses during the space of twenty years nor do any thing or Act concerning the execution thereof without the consent of the Lords and Commons first had and obtained And that after the expiration of the said twenty years in all cases wherein the Lords and Commons shall declare the safety of the Kingdome to be concerned and shall thereupon paffe any Bill for the raising arming training and disposing of the forces by Sea and Land of the Kingdomes Dominions Isles and places aforesaid or concerning the leavying of moneys for the same if the King his Heirs and successors shall not give the Royall assent thereto within such time as both Houses should think conveent that then such Bil or Bills after Declaration made by the Lords Commons in that behalf shall have the force and strength of an Act or Acts of Parliament and be as valid to all intents and purposes as if the Royal assent had been given thereunto After which it disables any Sheriffe Justice of the Peace Majors or other Officers of Justice to leavy conduct and imploy any forces whatsoever by colour or pretence of any Commission of Array or extraordinary command from the King His Heirs or Successors without consent of both Houses And concludes That if any persons to the number● of 30 shall be gathered together in warlike manner or otherwise and not forthwith disband themselves being thereunto required by the Lords and Commons or command from them or any other specially authorized by them that then such person or persons not so disbanding shall be guilty and incur the pains of High Treason any Commission under the great Seal or other Warrant to the contrary notwithstanding and be uncapable of any pardon from His Majesty His Heirs and Successors and their estates disposed of as the Lords and Commons shall think fit To all this new grand principle security of our present and future peace and settlement the King hath given his full and free consent in terminis And what greater security then this wee can imagine or demand against the Kings armed power and sword of War transcends my capacity to imagin Therefore if we have not lost our brains and consciences too we cannot but vote and conclude it satisfactory and restabundantly contented with yea exceeding thankful for it And that upon all these ensuing considerations First both Houses in their Treaty with the King in February and March 1642. demanded only the Militia of England not of Ireland yet so as they did leave the Nomination and disposing of the chiefe Commanders Officers and Governors of the Militia Forts and Navy of the Kingdome to the King provided only they might be such persons of honor and trust as both Houses might confide in and likewise promise restitution of all Moneys Forts Garrisons Arms and Ammunition of the Kings which they had seized upon or to give him present satisfaction for the same which being granted and performed they professed it should bee their hopefull endeavour that His Majesty and His people might enjoy the blessing of Peace c. and be derived to Him and to His Royall Posterity and the future Generations in this Kingdome for ever Whereas in this Treaty the King denudeth himselfe of the Militia of England and Ireland too and of the Nomination and approbation of all Officers Commanders Governors of the Militia or forces by Sea or Land and leaves all the Forts Navy and Magazines only to the Houses disposall without any compensation for his Magazines or Armes formerly seized by them And if far lesse was deemed sufficient for our settlement and security then much more will all this be thought so now Secondly Because the King hath wholly stript Himself His Heirs and Successors for ever of all that power and interest which His Predecessors alwaies enjoyned in the Militia forces forts Navy not only of England but Ireland Wales Iersey Garnsey and Berwick too so as He and they can neither● raise nor arm one man nor introduce any forraign forces into any of them by vertue of any Commission Deputation or authority without consent of both Houses of Parliament and hath vested the sole power and disposition of the Militia Forts and Navy of all these in both Houses in such ample manner that they shall never part with it to any King of England unlesse they please themselves So as the King and His Heirs have no military power or authority at all left to injure or oppresse the meanest Subject much lesse the whole Kingdome or Houses of Parliament had they wills to doe it and the Houses having all the Militia by Land and Sea not only of England but even of Ireland Wales Garnsey Iersey and Berwick to assist and secure them in case He or His Heirs should attempt to raise any domestick or introduce any forraign force against them is so grand so firm a security in all probability for insuring and preserving of our Peace Religion Lawes Liberties Lives and Estates against regall force and tyranny that none of our Ancestors ever demanded or enjoyed the like nor no other Kingdome whatsoever since the Creation for ought that I can find in Histories or Republicks who have perused most now extant to do you service and such a selfe-denying cond●sconsion in the King to His People in this particular as no age can president In the 17 year of King Iohn the Barons having by force of Armes compelled him to confirm the great Charter at Runningmead near Windsor thought this their greatest
privie to all his Maj. secrets and transactions of publick concernment receive all letters of intelligence directed to him and most commonly return all Answers to them There is now but one thing more wanting to make this security compleat and firm the Kings Great Seals of England and Ireland the greatest Regall Assurance confirmation he can give you and of these you have both the custody and disposal having the nomination appointment both of the L. Chancellors L. Keepers and Commissioners of the Great Seal in England and Ireland To summe up all these Grants together Some Parliaments in former times have had the nomination of the Lord Chancellor some of the Lord Treasurer some of the great Iusticiar or some few Judges of England only But never any Parliament of England claimed or enjoyed the nomination and appointment of any the Great Officers Barons Iudges or Treasurers places in Ireland nor yet of the L. Warden of the Cinque-Ports Chancellors of the Exchequer and Dutcby Secretaries of State Master of the Rolls or Bar●ns of the Exchequer of England yet all these the King for peace sake hath parted with to us and shall we be yet so froward and peevish as not to be satisfied with all those Offices We have a long time mocked and abused the world with a self-denying Ordinance disabling any Member to retain or receive any Civill or Military Office by grant from the Houses whiles he continces a Member though there is scarce one day or week at least doth passe but we are still bestowing some place or Office upon Members for which we are weekly censured and reviled in printed Pamphlets and become odious to the Kingdome But here is a self-denying Act and Ordinance in good earnest in the King in parting with so many Offices of which He and his Predecessors have had the sole disposall for some Ages without interruption to the Houses shal we not yet rest satisfied If not what will the whole Kingdome what will all forraign Kingdoms and Nations report of us but that we are so foolish so unreasonable that nothing can or will content us because we are resolved not to be content with any thing that the King shall grant us be it never so advantagious for our present or future safety and settlement But seeing we have the disposall of all these Officers in England and Ireland both Military and Civill of his Sword of War and Peace his Justice his Conscience his Purse his Treasury his Papers his publick Records his Cabinet his Great Seal more then ever we at first expected or desired I must really for my owne part professe my selfe abundantly satisfied with these Concessions and so must every one who hath so much judgement as to understand the latitude consequences of them for the whole Kingdomes and dying Irelands safety settlement especially at this season when they are so neer their ruin To this I shall adde another grant of great concernment for the Peace and safety of this Nation which the King hath fully consented to in this Treaty and I presume no Member of this House will rest unsatisfied therewith when he fully understands it Both Houses of Parliament upon the Lord Keeper Littl●tons deserting of the House and conveying away the Great Seal were pleased for the better distribution of Justice and transaction of the great Affairs of the Realm to appoint a new Great Seal to be made The Ordinance for its approbation and use sticking long in the Lords House who were somewhat doubtfull in point of Law I thereupon compiled and published a Treatise intituled The opening of the Great Seal of England which fully satisfied them and opened the doors to let it out for publick use though some who have had the custody of it as Mr. Speaker knowes have but ill requited Me for this my pains good service Many Grants Commissions Presentations Writs Processe Proceedings and other things have passed under this Great Seal and some Patens for Offices and Bishops Lands to Members of this House who differ in opinion from me and yet would be glad to have their Patents confirmed by an Act of Parliament The King in this Treaty hath not only consented to ratifie all the Grants c. that have passed under this new Seal by Act of Parliament and to enact them to be as effectuall to all intents purposes as if they had passed under any other Great Seal of England heretofore used but to continue it to be used hereafter for the Great Seal of England and hath likewise so farre disclaimed his old Great Seal from the day it was carried from the Parliament that he is content to make and declare all Grants Commissions Presentations Writs Processe Proceedings and other things whatsoever passed under or by any Authority of any other Great Seal since the 22 of May 1642. To be invalid and of no effect to all intents and purposes except one grant to Mr. Justice Racon to bee Judge of the Kings Bench and some other Writs Processe and Commissions mentioned in that proposition And he hath further yeelded That all Grants of Offices Lands Tenements or hereditaments made or passed under the great Seale of Ireland unto any person persons or body politick since the Cessation in Ireland the 15 Septemb. 1642. shall be null and void with all Honours and Titles conferred on any person or persons in that Realme since that Cessation By this Concession the Houses of Parliament and their adherents have gained these extra ordinary advantages most of them not to be paralleld in any Age of King from Adom till this present First an acknowledgement of both Houses Authority to make and use a new great Seal of England without the King in cases of extraordinary necessity Secondly a power in the Houses to null and voide the Kings usuall Great Seal upon the making of their New and conveying the old Seal from the Houses without their consent Thirdly a ratification of all Judiciall and Ministeriall Acts Writs Processe presentations Grants Decrees Commissions and other things which have passed under the New Seal since its making till this present which tends much to the qulet and settlement of many mens Estates to the confirmation and justification of all legall proceedings in all Courts of Justice and at all Assises and Sesstons of Peace held by vertue of Commissions under this Seal and of Justices appointed by it whose authority and proceedings might else hereafter prove disputable and bee drawn into Question and to the fight constitution of the Parliament it selfe many Members of this House being elected and some Members and Assistants of the Lords House being called thither by VVrits under this New Seal Fourthly an absolute disavowing and repeall of all Commissions whatsoever or other things passed under the old Great Seal against the Parliament or its proceedings and an exposing of all those of the Kings Party who have acted any thing by any Commission or Authority under the
Seal against the Parliament to publick Justice who cannot plead it in Barre or excuse in any Court after it shall be nulled and repealed by an Act. Fifthly a great disparagement dishonour and disadvantage to the English Cavaliers Irish Rebels and their cause and proceedings with a future disingaging of them and al their Party from the King and his interest who hath so far dishonoured deserted and disclaimed them as thus to null and repeal all Honours Titles Grants of Offices Lands or Tenements bestowed on any of them for any services done or Assistance given by them to the King in his Warres against the Parliament A very high point of humiliation and self-deniall in the King and such a blow to his Popish and Malignant party that I dare presume they will never engage in his behalfe nor trust him for the future which will much conduce to the settlement of a firm and lasting peace and prevent new VVars if accepted of 6ly Indempnity and security for all the Commissioners of the new Great Seale against all scruples which may arise upon the Statute of 25. E. 3. for using and sealing with it if ever the times alter which every prudent man will readily embrace where it is freely offered and not peevishly reject in such an age of danger and incertainty as this in which no man is secure of his life liberty or estate on either side The next Concession of the King in this Treaty is this That by Act of Parliament all Peeres made since Edward Lord Littleton deserted the Parliament and convey●d away the Great Seale on the one and twentieth day of May 1642. shall be Vn-Peer'd and set by And all other titles of honour and precedency as Lordship Knighthood and the like conferred on any without consent of both Houses of Parliament since the twentieth of May 1642. shall be revoked and declared null and void to all intents and never hereafter put in use And that no Peere who shall be hereafter made by the King his heirs or successors shall sit or vote in the Parliament of England without consent of both Houses of Parliament This Concession of the Kings is of great concernment to the Kingdome and I conceive without president or example in any age or King in the Christian world First it secures us from our formerly feared danger of a designe in the King by new created Peers to make an over-ruling party at any time in the Lords House wherein the Iudicatory of the Parliament principally consists which danger and inconvenience by secluding the Bishops out of that House by an Act already passed and by this disabling all new Peers hereafter to be made to sit in that House without consent of both Houses is for ever totally prevented Secondly It gives such an extraordinary new power to the House of Commons as they never formerly enjoyed or pretended to to wit that no Peer created by the King himselfe or by the King or Lords in Parliament who usually created Peers in Parliament without the Commons privity or consent in former times shall be henceforth inaabled to sit or vote as Peers of Parliament but by consent of the House of Commons as well as of the King and Lords By which provision the Commons are made not only in some sense the Judges of Peers themselves which they could not try or judge beforeby the expresse letter of Magna Charta chap. 29. and the Common Law but seven their very Creators too Thirdly It is an extraordinary prejudice and blemish on the Kings cause and an extream dishonour dissatisfaction disengagement upon his own party then which a greater cannot be imagined For what higher affront or disgrace could the King put upon those Nobles Gent. others who have spent their estates lost their blood limbs and adventured their very lives in this cause against the Parliament and received no other reward for it but an empty title of honour perchance a Kightship Lordship or the bare title of a Marquesse Earl or Viscount which they have enjoyed but a year or two with little benefit and lesse content to be thus by Act of Parliament with the Kings owne Royall assent who conferred those titles on them for their gallant services in his behalfe thus suddenly degraded and divested of them all as if they had never been A perpetuall brand to them their posterity who must be inforced to give place to such of whom they have had precedency place by vertue of these dignities Which high affront and scorne I am verely perswaded will pierce and break many of their own at least their Ladies hearts and for ever disoblige them in the highest degree 4thly It will make all the ancient and new Nobility and Peers of England lesse dependent on the King lesse complying to serve his ends upon all occasions being never able to gratisie or reward them though never so ambitious with any new Honours or Peerships without consent of both Houses of Parliament whom they dare not displease or disoblige for fear of crossing them in their desired dignities and titles as well as in their great Offices which are both now in their disposall not in the Kings alone In brief the King in his Concession hath manifested the greatest humiliation and self-deniall that any King since there was a Kingdome in the world hath done It is and hath been the ancient and undoubted prerogative of all Kings in the world but especially of the Kings of England to conferre honours dignities of all sorts especially Knighthood on whom they shall think meet and more principally on those who have merited it by their gallantry in the field as Mr. Selden proves at large in his Titles of honour and others who have written of that Subject Now for the King out of a desire only of a happy peace and settlement not onely to part with much of the Royall Prerogative which all other Kings in the world enjoy for the future but to repeal the Honours and Titles conferred by him on his adherents for reward of their services in times past during all these wars is such a miracle and high degree of selfe-deniall as no age hath produced the like and that which most of this house had the King prevailed would have rather lost their lives had they conferred any such Titles on their Generalls and Commanders then have condescended to should the King require it And therefore I cannot agree with those over-censorious Gentlemen who so oft inculcate this that they can see no humiliation at al or change of heart in the King when I find so great a change and deep a humiliation in Him in this and all other forementioned free Concessions without any or little hesitation and I heartily wish their owne hearts were as much humbled as his and then I doubt on but they would thankfully embrace rest fully satisfied with his concessions for their owne and the Kingdomes benefit The next proposition tending
enlargement and the Kingdomes settlement by a Treaty grants a Commission to Marquesse Ormond to unite the Irish forces then divided for the foresaid ends Extremities certainly put honest and wisemen too as the Armies friends grant upon hard shifts for self-preservation and this extremity put the King upon this of Ormond The King is flesh and blood as well as we and nature teacheth him to use the best means he may for his own preservation and deliverance in such a strait The Army the last Summer refused to disband or suffer any of their forces to go for Ireland to preserve and secure that Kingdome only from this ground of self-preservation upon which they would now enforce you by their REMONSTRANCE and marching up to your doors with their forces to break off the Treaty or vote it wholly unsatisfactory● whence most Gent. that differ in opinion from me have made this their sole or chief argument that the Kings answers are unsatisfactory because the Army else will not be satisfied If then your own Army may thus disobey your votes and force your consents only upon a pretence of self-preservations and defence when they are in no visible danger the King by as good or better reason in this extremity of danger might justly make use of Ormonds endeavours for his better safety and enlargement And if some Members have affirmed in the House as hath been alleadged in this debate that they would joyn with Turks or the worst of Nations and call them in to their assistance rather then the King should come in by conquest then the King by like reason might joyn with Ormond and the Irish rather then be thus laid aside and destroyed And what we our selves would do in his or the like condition we cannot justly blame in him Thirdly The King did never absolutely deny the recalling of Ormonds Commission but only suspended it til the Treaty ended and if you then close with him you have his engagement presently to recall it if then you agree with him upon this● Treaty your demand in this is granted and danger prevented but if you will not agree at all it is very hard measure to presse the King to a present disadvantage who is like to receive no advantage by you nothing being obligatory on either side til all be concluded In fine the King hath so far condescended to satisfie you in his finall answer as to write a letter to Ormond to suspend the Execution of his Commission for the present and engaged to revoke it so soon as you and he agree in future and more then this as the case stands wee cannot well in justice require and we should hardly grant so much were it our case as it is the Kings and seeing all our dangers may be prevented by our agreement with the King and this demand then fully granted there is no reason to vote this unsatisfactory when we may have all we desire if we please our selves However I see no such differences between the King and Us in this of ORMOND and that of Delinquents as to vote the finall answer to them and all the rest unsatisfactory and so to lose England distressed Ireland and all the former Concessions for an unconsiderable dissatisfaction in these two particulars The last Proposition relating to the security of the State is That the City of London shall enjoy all their Rights Liberties Franchises and usages in raysing and imploying the forces thereof for its defence in as full and ample manner as they used and enjoyed it heretofore That the Militia and City and Liberties thereof shall be in the Ordering and Government of the Lord Major Aldermen and Common-Councell or such as they shall appoint and be imployed and directed as both Houses shall direct so as no Citizen or forces of the City shall be compelled to go out of the City or Liberties for Military service without their own free consent That an Act shall be passed for the granting and confirming of the Cities Charters Customs and Franchises notwithstanding any Non-user Misuser or abuser and for confirmation of all by-Laws and Ordinances made or to be made by the Lord Major Aldermen and common-councell concerning the calling convening and regulating their Common-councell That the Tower of London may be in the Government of the City and the chief Governour thereof nominated and removeable by the Common-Councell● and all Propositions which shall be further made and approved by both Houses consent for the future welfare and Government of the City confirmed by Act of Parliament To all which the King hath fully confented so as his Answer thereto cannot be Voted unsatisfactory by any but such who envy the Cities weal and security that themselves may the better seize and trample on it to its enslaving and ruin This Concession is First A great Honour to and justification of your cause the City having beene more cordiall to active for and bountifull towards you upon all occasions and exigencies then all other parts of the Kingdome the harbourers and relievers of all who have fled from the Enemies tyranny thither for safety or reliefe yea the onely Treasury to advance monies upon all exigencies and those to whom under God you pricipally owe your victories and preservation Now for the King to honour the City with such concessions as these which hath beene most hurtfull to and deepest engaged against him in this Warre is almost as high and full if not a greater justification of and countenance to your cause as this consent to the first Proposition 2dly A great satisfaction to the City for all their services and expences and a firm security against all future feares and sufferings for ingaging so deeply in your Cause 3dly An extraordinary Engagement to the City faithfully to adhere to you and all succeeding Parliaments upon the like cause and occasion and to other Corporations to do the like 4thly A great security and advantage to the whole Kingdome whose weal and safety principally consists in Londons welfare its principall Magazine Mart Bulwarke Refuge and Military security both by Sea and Land wherewith the whole Kingdome stands or falls had the King once gained London in these Warres the Parliament and all England had been quickly lost without hope of recovery which will be in a secure or recoverable condition at all times if it be safe and true to the publique interest from which some have studied of late to disengage it to ruine it and the Parliament too which were alwayes free from eminent danger whiles cordially united and near to both their ruines being now disjointed I have thus as briefly as I could with discharge of my conscience and duty run through all the propositions which concerne the security and settlement of our State against the KINGS armed violence or Exorbitant civill Sword or Prerogative and other particulars relating to its peace and safety with the Kings respective Answers thereunto And for mine owne opinion I humbly conceive them
growth and danger of Prophanenesse His Majesty hath condescended to an Act of Parliament as large as can be drawne against all Prophanations whatsoever of the Lords day with severe punishment for the prophaners of it in any kinde and against all such who shall write or preach against its morality and due observation And likewise to an Act to be framed and agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament for the reforming and regulating both Vniversities and of the Colledges of Westminster Winchester and Eaton the seminaries of Learning and Education of youth to serve and rule in our Church and State By which two Grants if duly executed all impiety and prophanenesse which can endanger our Church and Religion will easily be suppressed for the present and prevented for the future Thirdly Against the danger and revivall of Episcopacy and the appendances thereunto belonging the King hath clearly condescended to these particulars in terminis First to an Act for the abolition of all Archbishops Chancellors Commissaries Deanes and Sub-Deans Deans ard Chapters Arch-deacons Canons Prebendaries c. and all other Episcopall Cathedrall or Collegiate Officers both in England Wales and Ireland and to the disposall of all their Lands and Possessions for such uses as the Houses shall thinke meet So as there is no feare at all of their resurrection to disturb our Church All the question and difference now between the King and Houses is onely concerning the Office and power of Bishops and their Lands and Possessions in which two I finde most Members declare themselves to be unsatisfied especially those who have purchased Bishops Lands who are very zealous in that point for their own Interests For the clearing of these two scruples I shall examine and debate these two particulars First how far the K. hath consented to the Houses Propositions for the abolishing of the office jurisdiction of Bishops in the Church Secondly how far He hath condescended to the sale and disposal of their Lands and Possessions And whether his Concessions in both these be not sufficiently satisfactory in the sense I have stated the question in the beginning of my debate of it For the first of these It is clear that the King in his two last Papers hath abolished and extirpated that Episcopacy and Prelacy which we intended and have so earnestly contested against and contends now for no other but an Apostolicall Bishop which is but the same in all things with an ordinary Minister or Presbyter which Bishop being Apostolicall and of divine Institution we neither may nor can nor ever intended to abolish by our Covenant To make this evident to all mens consciences 1 The King hath yeelded to take away all the power and jurisdiction whatsoever exercised by our Bishops in point of censure or discipline in his former answer and contends for nothing now but their power of Ordination only and that not solely vested in the Bishop but in him and other Presbyters jointly yet so as the Bishop should have a negative Voice in Ordinations But the Houses voting this unsatisfactory because that the Bishops for three years during the continuance of the Presbyterian government should have the chief power of Ordination after those three years the sole power there being no others vested or intrusted with that power after the three years expired so as Bishops might by this means creep in and get up againe by degrees as high as ever Thereupon the King in his finall Answer hereunto though not fully satisfied in point of conscience but that the power of Ordination is principally vested onely in Bishops by Divine Authority hath yet for our satisfaction thus far condescended to us First that for three years next ensuing during the Presbyteriall Government no Bishops shall at all exercise this power of Ordination in the Church Secondly That if he can be satisfied in point of Conscience within that time upon conference with Divines That this power of Ordination so far as to have a Negative voice in it belongs not only unto Apostolical Bishops by a divine Right then he wil fully consent to the utter abolition even of this power of Ordination in the Bishops Thirdly That after the three yeares are expired if the King can neither satisfie his Houses in point of conscience nor they him upon debate That this power of Ordination belongs Iure Divino to Bishops that yet the exercise of that power shall be totally suspended in them till He and both Houses shall agree upon a Government and by Act of Parliament settle a Form of Ordination So as if both Houses never consent that Bishops shall hereafter have a hand or negative voice in Ordination this power of Bishops is perpetuaily suspended and as to the exercise of it perpetually abolished even by this Concession so as it can never be revived again without both Houses concurring assents And by this means Episcopacy is totally extirpated root and branch according to the Covenant which hath been so much pressed in this debate though the words of it have been somewhat mistaken that we therein absolutely covenant to extirpate Episcopacy when as the words are only That we shall endeavour the extirpation of Prelacy that is of Archbishops and Bishops c. And that certainly we have done and in a great measure accomplished so far as to satisfie both the words and intention of the Covenant though a concurrent power of Ordination be left in Bishops which yet is now totally suspended For as we covenant in the same clause to endeavour to root out Popery Superstition Heresie Schisme Prophanenesse and whatsoever shall be found to be contrary to sound Doctrine and the power of Godlinesse in the extirpation of which I am certain we have not proceeded by an hundred degrees so farre as we have actually done in the extirpation of Episcopacy there being no Proposition at all in the Treaty for the extirpation of Heresie Schisme and Errors as there is of Episcopacy and yet the Gentlemen who are so zealous for the Covenant perswade themselves they and we have not violated it in these particulars therefore much less in the point of Prelacy and Bishops since we have left them nothing at all but a meer power of Ordination actually suspended from any future execution but by both Houses assents Fourthly the King by abolishing Archbishops and Deans and Chapters hath also therein actually abolished all Bishops too for the future except those who are already made For by the Laws and custome of the Realm No Bishop can be consecrated but by an Archbishop or some deputation from him in case of sicknesse nor any Bishop made or consecrated unlesse he be first elected by the Dean and Chapter upon a Conge deslier issued out to them to choose one Now there being no Deanes and Chapters left to elect nor Archbishop to consecrate any Bishop for the future there can be no Bishop at all hereafter made in England or Ireland and so the Bishop
any Presbyters eit●er quatenus Angel or Bishop nor find I the name of a Bishop in any of St. Iohn's Writings but the title of a Presbyter or Elder very frequent by which himself is stiled And I wonder much the King or his Bishops should now so much insist upon this Angel and assert him to bee a Lord Bishop not an ordinary Minister For first King Iames himself and all the Bishops of Engl. with those learned men imployed by them in the last Translation of the Bible in the very contents prefixed to this Chap. Rev. 2. resolve the Angells of those Churches to be Ministers in these very words What is commanded to be written to the Angels THAT IS THE MINISTERS not Bishop of the Churches of Ephesus Smyrna c. If then the Angels by their joint confessions when these Contents were first composed and prefixed were only the Ministers not Bishops of these Churches and have ever since been constantly admitted confessed and this published to be so even in our authorized Bibles used in all Churches Chappels Families and printed cum privilegio five or six times a yeer without any alteration or disallowance of this Exposition I marvel much how the Bishops now dare inform the King That these Angels certainly were only Bishops but not Ministers diametrally contrary to these authorized Contents of their own or Predecessors affixing with learned King Iames his approbation or how his Majesty when Hee knowes it can beleeve them though they should averr it against His own Fathers and the whole Church of Englands resolution which hath so long received and approved this Translation excluding all others in publick and these Contents thereto prefixed Secondly Admit this Angell of Ephesus to be a Diocesan Bishop distinct from an ordinary Presbyter yet he was but an Apostate who had lost his first love ver 4. And if Timothy as they affirm was sole Bishop of Ephesus he must be the Apostate being at that time living unlesse he resigned his office to some other which is improbable And for our Bishops to father that divine Right of their Prelacy upon an Apostate Angell is no good Divinity and lesse Policy at this instant And this their rotten foundation upon an Apostate may probably be the ground why so many Prelates in this and former ages have turned Apostates after they were created Bishops Thirdly if those Angells in the Revelation were really Lord Bishops then certainly the Elders therein mentioned can bee no other then Presbyters not Bishops as the Prelates themselves will grant And if so then verily the Presbyter is the supream of the two both in point of Dignity Ministry and precedency which is very observable For first I find the 24 Elders there mentioned sitting upon twenty four seats round about Christs Throne and nearest to it Rev. 4. 4. c. 11. 16. but the Angells standing not sitting round about it and them without any seats at all provided for them as inferiour attendants Rev. 5. 11. c. 7. 11. Secondly I find these Elders not onely sitting on seats next Christs throne but likewise cloathed with white rayment and having on their heads Crownes of Gold the embleme of supream Authority power and honor Rev. 4. 4. 10. whereas the Angells had neither white rayment nor Crowns so it seems Bishops had no lawn sleeves nor Rochets nor Miters then though they have since usurped and robd the Presbyters of them Thirdly These Elders not the Angells are there alwayes introduced worshipping and falling downe before Christs Throne holding harps and golden viols in their hands full of odors representing the prayers of the Saints and singing the new song to him as the principal Officers and Ministers of Christ when as the Angells standing by act or speak little in these kinds like our late dumb unpreaching and rare-praying Prelates Fourthly the 24 Elders not the Angells sing this new Song of praise to Christ 1 Rev. 5. 9. 10. Worthy art thou to take the booke c. And hast made us Kings and Priests not Angells or Bishops to God the Father and we not the Angels that REIGN on the Earth therefore in all these respects if the Angells in the Apocalypse bee Bishops as our Prelates dreame the Elders must of necessity jure divino bee their Superiors and Lords paramount in point of dignity honour Soveraignty Ministry and they inferiour in jurisdiction and power unto Presbyters not superior as they would really make themselves When his Majesty shall be informed of these and many other particulars of this kinde I doubt not but his conscience will be so much satisfied as wholly to forgoe and lay aside his pretended Apostolicall Bishops both in point of function and ordination too as being the same with Presbyters And since in his last paper but one he hath professed to retain no other Bishops but such as are Apostolicall he must presently quit all those about him and their possessions too since neither of them are Apostolicall the Apostolicall Bishops being many alwaies over one Church and Congregation not one over many Churches or an whole Diocesse as ours are and having no Palaces Mannors Lands and Possessions as I shall prove in the next particular which comes to be now debated having fully cleared this to be satisfactory For the second question concerning the sale of Bishops lands how far the King hath condescended to it And whether the Kings answers to the first branch of that Proposition bee satisfactory in the premised sense I confesse I find this the grand and most swaying Argument of all others used by those who differ from me in the Treaty as not satisfactory because the King absolutely refuseth to agree to the sale of Bishops Lands for the satisfaction of those publike debts for which they are engaged by both Houses whereby purchasers and lenders upon that assurance will be not only defrauded but cheated of their debts and purchases many of them quite undone and ruined and the honor and publick faith of both Houses for ever forfeited and laid in the dust And indeed this is a very sensible argument especially to such Members who have either purchased Bishops lands or advanced moneys upon their security very fit to bee fully answered which I shall endeavour to doe I hope to their full satisfaction and content I confesse it to be most just and equall that all who have purchased Bishops Lands or advanced moneys to the State upon them should receive ful satisfaction and be no losers by it but rather gainers And I could have as heartily desired as any Member in this House that the King in this particular of Bishops lands had given us plenary satisfaction the rather because I was imployed by the Houses as one of the Contractors though without my seeking and to my prejudice by neglecting my calling and receiving as yet not one farthing salary for it though I have spent and lost some hundred of pounds in and by that imployment and had he
really done it I presume few Members of this House now of a different opinion would have voted the Kings Answers to the whole Treaty unsatisfactory But to take them as they are First the King hath so far condescended to their sale and disposall made or to be made as that the purchasers shall by Act of Parliament enjoy a lease of them not from the Bishops themselves but from the Crown for 99. yeares space reserving only the reversions afterward to the Crowne and that for the use of the Church in generall terms Secondly The King will bee content with the reservation only of the old or some other moderate rent to Him and His Heirs to bee imployed only for the Churches use and benefit Thirdly That for the absolute sale or alienation of them he cannot in point of conscience consent unto it being Sacriledge and an unlawfull Act in the opinion of all Divines as well in forraigne Reformed Churches as Domestick This I remember and conceive is the sum of his finall answer to this Proposition To examine these particulars a little in the generall and then by parts First I must make bold to inform you in the generall That the King and His Predecessors Kings of this Realm were the Originall founders of all our Bishoprieks and patrons of them That all their Lands Rent and Revenues whatsoever originally proceeded from the Crown and Kings of England of whom they are bolden and that in times of vacancy the King enjoyes the profits of their temperalities as a part of His Royall Revenue and receives both tenths and first-fruits out of them upon every death or translation of the Bishops And therefore there is very great reason and Justice too they should be still held of the Crowne and not totally translated out of it and that the King and His successors should receive some reasonable Revenue or compensation out of them parting with such an interest in recompence for them Secondly That in the severall Treaties with the King Februar 1. 1641. and Iuly 11. 1646. All the Lands Possessions Rents and Reversions both of Archbishops and Bishops and likewise of Deans and Chapters and other Officers of Cathedrall and Collegiate Churches were by Act of Parliament to be settled in the very reall and actuall possession of the King His Heirs and Successors for ever to their own proper use except only their Impropriations Advowsons Tythes and Pensions which are not now to bee sold. And that the Ordinances for setling of Bishops Lands Rents and Possessions in Fe●ffees and engaging and selling them for the monies lent upon the Publick saith and doubled to raise 200000. l. for disbanding of the Scotch Army passed on the Houses till October and November 1646 till which time there was no thought nor intent at all to sell or alienate them from the Crowne If then the King in two or three former Treaties by both Houses full and free consent and a Bill passed by them for that purpose was to enjoy to himselfe his Heirs and Successors all the demesne Lands Mannors Possessions Reversions Rents Inheritances and Revenues of Archbishops and Bishops and likewise of Deans and Chapters Prebends and the like it seems to me very just reasonable that he should demand and enjoy the Reversions of them after ninety nine years and such a moderate Rent as he and both Houses shall agree on And that this Answer of the Kings wherein he demands so little now only for the Churches use and benefit not his own should be fully satisfactory because we were very well content in former Treaties He and his Heirs should enjoy the whole only to their own use Thirdly That near one moiety of the Archbishops and Bishops possessions and revenues consists in Impropriations Tythes Pensions and the like which the King is content wholly to part with for the encrease of Ministers means and the benefit of the Church without any Reservation or Recompence And with all Deans and Chapters Lands and Revenues to boot Therefore it should be unsatisfactory or unreasonable in no mans judgement for the King to reserve some interest in the Reversions and Rents only of their demesne lands Fourthly The King demands the Riversions of the Lands after ninety nine years and some present moderate Rent not for the use and support of the Bishops and to keep a root for them to grow up again in our Church as hath been mistaken by some Archbishops and Bishops too being extirpated root and branch by the Kings former Answers as I have manifested but only for the use of the Church in such manner as the King and we shall agree to settle them who shall take care that no Bishop shall be a sharer in them all being to bee setled in the CROWNE alone and nothing in Reversion or Possession to in or upon the Bishops Fifthly The King consents that the Purchasers of Bishops Lands shall by Act of Parliament have a Lease of them for ninety nine years reserving the Reversion only after that terme which I conceive is no ill but a very good bargain for the Purchasers such a Lease by Act of Parliament being far better then the whole Inheritance by a bare Ordinance of both Houses which for ought I know if not confirmed by a subsequent Act of Parliament will prove little better then a Tenancy at Will or a Lease so long only as this Parliament continues Ordinances of both Houses only without the Kings Royall assent thereto being a new device of this present Parliament to supply some present necessities for our necessary defence and preservation during the Kings absence and hostility never known nor used in any former Parliaments what ever hath been conceived to the contrary Therefore this offer of the K. is no prejudice at all but a great advantage to the Purchasers wherewith they should rest fully satisfied But admit it be any losse at all to them and not rather a gain as things now stand in our tottering condition yet it is only of the reversion of these lands after ninety nine years worth not above one quarter or halfe a years purchase at the utmost which considering the low values at which Bishops lands are sold and the cheap rate now that most purchasers gave for Bills of Publick faith with which they bought them they may be well content to lose to secure their purchases for ninety nine years in these tumultuous and fluctuating times when some wise men who have made such purchases would very gladly give two or three years purchase if not more at the assurance Office to any who will ensure their estates in Bishops lands for so long a term and think they had a good bargain too at leastwise far better then the Bishops in case they should revive again as some fear who must be kept starving for 99 years in expectation of a dry Reversion All which considered the Kings Answers touching such Reversions I humbly conceive will be very
and us to the general content and safety of all honest men and so end the old and begin the new year with peace Whereas if we now break off and let go all the King hath granted I see no end of our Wars and miseries nor any probable means of peace and settlement in many years at least if ever in this or the succeeding Generation And the speediest remedy in this case especially considering the kingdom is so far exhausted that we know neither how to pay our publike debts our Fleet or Army their present Arrears much lesse their future must needs bee the best and be preferred before all others that will require more time and expence and be more hazardous and contingent in the event Thirdly As it is the speediest so the best and legallest safest and certainest way of all others First there is no danger nor hazard at all in it nor any expence of mony or effusion of bloud 't is but accept and then confirm by Acts and Oaths and the work is presently done If we think of settlement in any other way we must fight again and that will be both costly hazardous and when all is done we must Treat again perchance upon worse terms else there will be no peace nor settlement Secondly This is the way we have ever formerly pitched upon the way all parties have consented to and approved but those alone who desire neither peace nor settlement Therefore best safest and durablest Thirdly It is the legallest certainest because a peace and settlement by Acts of Parliament the highest security to English men under heaven to which King Lord Commons in them the whole kingdom consent wil all acquiesce in what is done without question or future dispute What peace soever is settled otherwise either by a bare Order or Ordinance of the Houses or by the Sword power alone will neither be sure safe nor lasting no longer then maintained by the Sword every man will be sure to question and unsettle all again upon the least advantage given The highest security that England ever had was Magna Charta and the Charter of the Forrest these were gained by the Sword but not held by it That which hath kept perpetuated these since their making was those Acts of Parliament which confirmed them These are only security for what ever we enjoy which will survive all other we can think of Nullum violentum est diuturnum Whereas priviledges kept and held by publike Acts will last for ever and be entailed to us and our posterities with peace and happiness attending them This was the way of settling peace between Kings and Subjects heretofore in Henry the 3. Edward the 2. Richard the 2. Henry the 6. Raigns and an Act of Pacification and Oblivion was the only safe and usuall way the Parliaments both of England and Scotland lately fixed on to settle a firm and lasting peace between both Nations kingdoms All other settlements will be but like an ul●●r skinned over which will soone break out again with greater pain and danger then before 2dly For the new way proposed by the Army for a firm peace settlement it is certainly the most desperate dishonourable dangerous and destructive that can possibly be imagined and such as we can neither in honour justice conscience nor prudence imbrace To examine it a little by parts The first way to peace and settlement propounded by them is presently to break off the Treaty and that contrary to our publike faith to the King and kingdom yea to our own votes before the Treaty was fully ended this is the drift of their whole Remonstrance Which as it will totally if not finally deprive us of the fruit benefit of all the K. Concessions in the Treaty all which are by mutuall agreement no wayes obligatory to either party in any particular unless all be agreed being all that we can possibly think of for our safety and advantage and more then any Nation under heaven yet injoied so it wil inevitably cast us upon present wayes of new distractions confusions and civill wars now we are quite exhausted and end at last in our absolute destruction instead of a wel-grounded peace and those blessings we may forth with enjoy for the very accepting without further charge or trouble But if God beyond our hopes should after any new embroylments give us peace yet it must be upon a new Treaty and that perchance upon far worse terms then now are offered Therefore it must needs be dangerous to reject a safe way to follow a hazardous or destructive one The next thing proposed by them for a speedy peace and settlement is the bringing of the King to speedy justice for all his treasons and bloodshed in the late wars and then to depose and execute him as the greatest capitall malefactor in the kingdom● This certainly is a very dangerous aund unlikely way to peace and settlement First of all The smiting of the Shepheard is the way to scatter not unite the sheep The slaying of the King or Generall in the field scatters and dissolves the Army not secures them To cut off an aking head is the next way to destroy not cure a diseased body such kind of State policy may destroy or disturb but never settle us in perfect peace The Prince his next heir the Queen the Duke of York all his Children and Allies both at home and abroad will certainly meditate revenge and all Kings in Christendom will assist them even for their own interest and safety lest it should become a president for themselves And will this then secure or be a likely way to peace or settlement 2. The greatest part of the Members in both Houses the Lords Gentlemen and all sorts of people throughout the kingdome the whole kingdomes of Scotland and Ireland who have as great an interest in the Kings person being their lawfull King as we have and are obliged by Allegiance and Covenant to protect his person and Crown from violence will unanimously as one man oppose and protest against it and by force of Arms endeavour to bring those to execution who shall presume to advise or attempt to depose or destroy the King in any kinde contrary to their Allegiance and solemne Covenant Yea all Protestant Realms Churches States in forraign parts will abhorre both the fact and adjudge it contrary to their principles and Religion and that which may irritate Popish Kings and Princes to take up arms to ruine them lest they should fall into the like Jesuiticall practice And can this be a safe or speedy way to peace and settlement especially when we know not what Government shall succeed upon it and can expect nothing but bloody consequences from such a bloody Jesuiticall advice Thirdly I never read of any peace or settlement in any kingdom where King-killing was practised or approved When the Roman Armies began once to kill their Emperours and cut off their
for which sin seventy thousand of his Subjects lost their lives yet was hee not arraigned nor deposed for it and God who is Soveraignly just though David was the principall malefactor in this case i● not the sole and thereupon when hee saw the Angell that smote the people cryed out Lo I have sinned and done wickedly but these Sheep what have they done Let thy hand bee against mee and my Fathers house Yet God spared him and his houshold though the principalls and punished the people only with death for this sin of his After him Solomon his son a man eminent for wisdome and piety at first apostatized to most grosse Idolatry of all sorts to please his idolatrous Wives and became a great oppressor of his people making their burthens very heavy yet his Subjects or Souldiers did neither impeach nor depose him for it and though he were the principall offendor yet God spared him for Davids sake in not taking the ten Tribes from him for these sins during his life though he rent them from his son Rhehoboam who was at most but accessory for his Fathers sins not his True it is some of the Idolatrous Kings of Israel by the just avenging hand of God were slain by private conspiracies and popular tumults in an illegall way but not deposed nor arraigned by their Sanhedrins or Generall Congregations and those who slew them were sometimes stain by others who aspired to the Crown or by the people of the Land or by their children who succeeded them and came to untimely tragicall ends 9. Though there be some Presidents of Popish States and Parliaments deposing their Popish Kings and Emperors at home and in forraign parts in an extraordinary way by power of an armed party Yet there is no president of any one Protestant Kingdom or State that did ever yet judicially depose or bring to execution any of their Kings and Princes though never so bad whether Protestants or Papists and the Protestants in France though some of their Kings when they had invested them in their Thrones became Apostates to Popery and persecuters of their people albeit they resisted them by force of arms in the field to preserve their lives did never once attempt to pull them from their Thrones or bring their persons unto Justice And I hope our Protestant Parliament will never make the first president in this kind nor stain their Honor or Religion with the blood of a Protestant King against so many Oathes Protestations Covenants Declarations and Remonstrances made and published by them to the contrary 10. For the presidents of Edward the Second and Richard the Second in times of Popery they were rather forcible resignations by power of an Army then judiciall deprivations neither of them being ever legally arraigned and brought to tryall in Parliament And Mortimer who had the chief hand in deposing King Edward the Second in the Parliament of 1 E. 3. was in the Parliament of 4 E. 3. impeached condemned and executed as a Traitor and guilty of high Treason for murthering Edward the second after he was deposed at Berkley-castle and Sir Simon Bereford together with Thomas Gurney and William Ocle were adjudged Traitors for assisting him therein one of them executed and great rewards promised to the apprehenders of the other two And as for Richard the second though he was deposed after Henry the Fourth was crowned by pretence in Parliament yet this deposition after his resignation only not before it and without any formall tryall or arraignment or any capitall judgement of death against him for which I find no president in any Parliament of England Scotland France nor yet in Denmark it self though an elective Kingdome who though they justly deposed Christiern the second for his most abominable Tyrannies and Cruelties yet they never adjudged or p●t him to death but only restrained him as a prisoner I shall only add this that though the elective Kingdoms of Hungary Bohemia Poland Denmark and Sweden have in their Parliaments and Diets deposed sundry of their Kings for their wickednesses and tyranny yet they never judicially condemned any one of them to death though Papists And for a Protestant Parliament to please an Army only acted by Jesuites in this particular to render both Parliament Army and our Religion too for ever execrable throughout the world and set all mens pens and hands against them to their ruine to begin such a bloody president as this upon a most false pretext of setling peace contrary to the express command of God himself who commands Christians To pray for Kings and all in authority that they may live a quiet and peaceable life under them in all godlinesse and honesty not to depose or cut of their heads as the only way to peace and settlement will not only be scandalous but monstrous The next thing they propose for a present peace and settlement it the executing of the Prince if hee come not over upon summons at a short day and give not satisfaction to the Houses or else to declare him and the Duke of York if they appear not upon summons to bee uncapable of any Trust or Government in this Kingdom or any Dominions thereunto belonging and thence to stand exiled for ever as Enemies and Traitors to die without mercy if ever taken or found therein A Jesuiticall inevitable way to civill Wars and ruine For the King being deposed and cut off the Prince no doubt is next heir to the Crown both by the common Law and the statute of 1. Iacobi cap. 1. to which I doubt a Vote or Ordinance of both Houses only will be no such legall barre in any Lawyers or Wisemans Judgement but that hee will claim his right and the generallity of the Kingdome at least ten thousand to one proclaim and embrace him for their lawfull King and assist him with their lives and fortunes both to regain and retain his right being bound by their Oath of Supremacy and Allegiance and their Solemn League and Covenant so to do And must not this of necessity beget a present lasting War in stead of a speedy setled peace undoubtedly it will But consider further that the Prince is not only Heir apparent to the Crown of England but of Scotland and Ireland too and though we reject yet undoubtedly Scotland and Ireland will readily imbrace him as their lawfull King notwithstanding any Votes of ours and will both unanimously assist him with their lives and fortunes to recover his right to the Crown of England and those two Kingdoms falling off wholly from us and proclaiming Warre against us and joining with that potent party here which certainly will appear in his behalfe out of a naturall inclination to the right undoubted Heir or hopes of favour and preferment since Plures solem orientem quam occidentem adorantur and with all his friends and allies Forces from abroad whether this wil not be an unavoidable occasion not only of a present war but of
intituled Royal tyranny discovered Discovering the tiranny of the Kings of England from William the invader and robber Tyrant alias the Conqueror to this present King Charles who is plainly proved to be worse and more tyrannicall then any of his predecessors and deserves a more severe punishment from the hands of this present Parliament then either of the dethroned Kings Ed. 2 or Rich. 2. had from former Parliaments which they are bound by duty and Oath without equivocation or collution to inflict upon him he being the greatest delinquent in the three kingdoms and the head of the rest so the title In the Table there are these passages amongst others Charles Steward guilty of this treason p. 92 93 94 95 97. C. R Charls Rex Ought to be executed p. 57. where the houses are not only pressed to depose and execute him but his execution in their neglect foretold that in An exemplary manner in dispite of all his protectors and defendors Which Iesuitical books and counsels published at that instant discovered clearly to my apprehension their votes for laying the King then aside the deposing executing of him to be then intended only interrupted by the Scots invasion the last summers commotion occasioned by those votes of Non addresses and the forceing on of them then now by the army with the violence they use to be no other but a very plot and project of the Iesuits to ruine and distroy the King and us I shall only add to this what I manifested but now that it was the Iesuits plot when they engaged and assisted the King in his warre against the Scots to dash the protestants in both nations in peeces one against another so be masters of both kingdoms extirpate our religion in both and that if the King consented not to grant them a generall free exercise of their religion throughout all his realms Dominions or did but sticke at it that then they would presently poyson dispatch him possesse themselves of the Prince next heire to the Crowne then by flattery or menaces draw him to their Religion match him to a Papist and then all three Kingdomes would soon turn Papists and all Protestants be murthered or burnt for Heretiques Now these Papists and Iesuits understanding that the King beyond contrary to their expectatiō bath granted all or most of our Propositions in the Isle of Wight and fully condescended to five New bills for the extirpation of Masse Popery and Popish innovations out of his Dominions and putting all Lawes in execution against them and for a speedier discovery and conviction of them then formerly and that their good friends and Confederats our Arch-Bishops Bishops Deans and Chapters and other branches of the hierarchy are tobe wholly routted out both in England and Ireland so as they are never likely to have any more footing in them againe after all their late warres charges hazards plots and designes to set up their Catholique Religion party are so inraged with the King so inexorably incensed against him both at home abroad as I am credibly informed that now they are mad against him thirst for nothing but his blood which they think they cannot advantagiously effectually accomplish but by engaging the Army to dessolve the Treaty force the Parliament in case they vote his answers satisfactory and then by themselvs are a confederate party in the House to depose cut off his head Which done the Prince being now beyond Seas in their power destitute of his hopes of succession to this Crown banished and declared a Traitor and to dye without mercy if he returne hither to lose his head as well as his father upon such high affronts put upon his Father himself that by a Protestant Parliament Army of Saints will be so inraged against all professors of our religion that he will probably professe himself a Roman Catholique and his brother too match with a Catholique Princes then ingage all the Papists in forraign parts England Scotland and Ireland to unite their forces purses councels by way of revenge to cut all the Protestants throats in all three Kingdomes who have adhered to the Parliament and hew the Army it selfe in peeces when they have thus accomplished their designes which will render them and the Parliament execrable and infamous to all posterity and then farewell all Parliaments and our Protestant religion for ever not onely here but throughout all Christendome where the Popish Princes will presently massacre the Protestants lest they should fill to the like perfidious practises This I am most confident is their designe by what I have met with in their papers and in the Jesuit Con●zens politiques and others who have chalked out a way by degrees insensibly to crue Popery into any Protestant Church by those very steps which our Prelates followed who were directed by them and to alter and subvert any Protestant State and Kingdom by this new modelling of them into such a popular Anarchy as is now suggested and presented in the Armies Remonstrance This I am assured will be the unavoydable desperate and deplorable issue if we comply with them and the Army in it unlesse God in his infinite mercy shal hold off their hands and turn their hearts from prosecuting their present designes I shall onely adde one thing more and so conclude That many of the Agitators and Armies papers especially Putney projects and some late Declarations savour of a Iesuites stile or spirit That I have been credibly informed that not onely Gifford a Jesuite was one of the Generals own Life-gard and a very active man in the Army but one Thomas Budds alias Peto the last Popish Priest condemned at Newgate was a Trooper in this Army and by influence of some great Officers in it obtained a Reprieve instead of an Execution That the Papists beyond Seas wish very well to the Army iu whom now is their chiefest hopes and that the Iesuits Cels and Colleges in forraign parts are of late very empty that many Popish Priests and Iesuits are now in England not saying Masse crying up the Pope and Popish Tenents as heretofore that were to grosse and they easily discovered but using all manner of mechanick Trades preaching in private corners as Sectaries Anabaptists Seekers broachers of new Light or as gifted brethren that many of them are turned Troopers Agitators if not some of them Officers in the Army or at leastwise have so insinuated themselves into the leading Officers there who are much taken with their parts their new Designs Tenents to alter unsettle States that they have as powerfull an influence now upon the Armies Cou●cels Officers as formerly they had upon the King and his Councels and have now thus deeply ingaged them beyond all expectation to accomplish these Iesuiticall designes of theirs to depose and destry the King● dissolve this Parliament subvert our Magistracy Ministry Religion Lawes
15. 9. d Rom. 13. 1. 2 Tim. 2. 2. 3 Tit. 3. 1. 1 Tit. 2. 13 14 15. Gen. 6. 11 12. Psal. 11. 15. Psal. 55. 9. Isay 59. 6. Rom. 1. 29 30 31. 2 Tim. 2. 3 4. e 1 Thes. 5. 22. 1 Cor. 8. 21. Rom. 12. 17. f Mat. 18. 17 18. 1 Cor. 10. 32. Rom 4. 20. 2 Cor. 6. 3. 1 Cor. 8. 13. 2. 1 Pet. 2. 11. c. 3. 12. * An humble answer p. 2. c. o 2. Sam. 10. 19. Deur 20. 10. 1 Kings 22. 41. p Psal. 122. 6. 8. Ier. 29. 7. q Heb. 12. 14. r Psal. 4. 14. Ier. 29. 7. 1. Pet. 3. 11. s 1 Thes. 4. 11. Cor. 10. 36. t Rom. 12. 18. 1. Tim. 22. u Rom. 15. 33. 2 Cor. 13. 11. 1. Per. 4. 9. 1. Thes. 5. 16. x I say 9. 6 7. Heb. 13. 20. y Gal. 5. 22. Eph. 4. 3. z Rom● 10. 15. Eph. 5. 16. u Lev. 26. 6. Numb 5. 26. 2 Kings 4. 20. 19. Psal. 128. 6. Psal. 147. 4. I say 26. 12. Ier. 14. 13. b Luk. 12. 13 14. 1 Per. 4. 15. Thes. 4 11. 2 Thes. 3. 11. Heb. 5. 4. e Tertul Apologia e Matth. 26. c. f Joan Mariana de Rege et Regum Instit. l. 1. c. 5. 6. 7. 8. Bellarmin De pontif Rom. 8. 5. 1. 6. 78. Ludovicus Richehom Apol. pro societate Iesu. Franciscus de Verona Apol. pro Ioanne Castel Aphorismi Doctrinae Iesuitarum * The Tit. Page * Exa●● Collect. p. 31 to 48. * Rastal Armor 1. * Exact Collect. p. 34 to 4g c. * A Colcon-lect p. 201 * Condemned by the Houses in the King Exact Collect p. 10● 20. ● 3. * A Collection p. 634. * Exact Collect. p. 34. to 46. 156 162. 201. 206. * Knols Twkish history p. 297. 298. * Rom ● 3● k Levi●● 19 17●1 Tim. 1. 20. T●● 1. 13. Object * Right Might p. 20. 21. Answ. * 1 Sa●●● 21. 6. * 2 Pet. 2. 16. * Ps. ● 3 2. 9. * All Pet●oners for Peace are now disabled to be or elect Officers by some late votes since out seclusion Mat. 26. 52. * These chains are only Metaphorical the chains of Gods Law and Word nor reall Ps. 2. 3. Is. 45. 14. Rom. 20. 1 2. * Si judicas cognosc● Scneca The● first prejudicet The Answer there● unto * Learned Giber●●s Voc●ius in his Letter to Mr Walter Strickland Agent fos the Parliament at the Hague Feb. 2 1644. writes thus of my Soveraign Power of Parliaments c. Accept nuperrime commodato adhoras aliquot librum Guil Prynne jam diu mi●i desideratum rationes cum respensionibus tam solide ●ru dite pro Parliamentto 〈◊〉 adversarios instructas atque explicatas deprehendi ut non videam quid ultra desiderari possit Debebat Tractaus ille Latine Gallice extare ut a Reformatis Theologi 〈◊〉 Politicis in Europa legi possit The second prejudice The Answer to it The Question The Question truly stated The Question truly stated The first Proposition fully granted and the benefits ac●●ing to us ther●● by The Militia fully consented to and the Kingdoms advantage and security thereby * An Exact Collection p. 88 89 9● 909. c. A Collection of all the publik Ordinances c pa. 49 50 51 57 58 77 84. * See Matthew Paris Matthew Westminster Hollinshead Speed Daniel in his life The King hath granted the Houses for 20 years the disposing of all great Offices Civill Judiciall and Military for twenty years both in England and Ireland The security and consequences thereof The King hath confirmed the new Oreat Seal all that hath passed under it nulled the old aud what ever passed under its authority since its carrying from the Houses The Repeale of new Peers and other Honours granted by the King with the consequence thereof * Sec Cook n●stitures on Mag. Cha. cap. 29. The proposition for raising moneys for payment of publike debts artears c. granted with its benefits The court of Wards aud Tenures in Capite c. abolished with the advantages The Proposition concerning Delinquents how sarre granted even to satisfaction * Exact collection p. 464. 585 619. 631. 633. 908. Object Answ. * 4. Instir. ● 1. p. 37. 38. * Sec 2 Chron. 28. 2. 10. 16. * See Rastalls Abridgment Tit. Treason That Propositions concerning London fully granted and the Consequences of it * Exact Collection p. 45. a Collection● c. p. 33. 495. 496. * An exact Collection p. 6. The satisfactoriness of the Kings answers to the Propositions concerning the Church Religion Propositions and Concessions against Papist Popery and Popish Innovations Propositions and Concessions against Prophanenesse * See the Book of Ordination of Ministers Bishops c. 1. 2. Ph. Mar. c. 8. * This I have fully proved in my Vnbishoping of Timothy Titus And of the Antipathy of English Prelacy to Unity and Monarchy par 1. 2. c. 9. * See my Vnbishoping of Tim. and Titus where this is largely proved * See this largely proved in my Vnbishoping of Timothy Titus and in Gersom Bucerus de Gubernat Ecclesiae * See my Antipathy of the English prelacy part 2. pag. 479. to 484. * Rev. 4. 10 11. c. 5. 8 9. c. 11. 16 17 18. * Acts 20. 17. 28. Phil. 1. 1. Tit. 1. 5 6 7. * See Goodwin Catalogue of English Bishops Rastalls abridgement Tit. Bishops sust fruits 〈◊〉 * A Colllection c. p. 124● 125. 902. * A Collection c. ● 922 23 c. * A Colllection p. 124 125. Object Answer a Mat. 8. 22. Luke 8. 2. Acts 3. 6. c. 4. 34. 35. 36. 37. c. 10. 10 5. c. 20. 34. 1 Cor. 4. 12. 1 Thes. 2. 9. Phil. 4. 10. 10. 20. 1 Cor. 11. 7 8 9. Gal. 1. 8. b See M. Seldens Hist. of Tythes c Polychron l. 4. c. 26. See D. Crakenthorp of Const. Donat. Euseb. de v●●a Constamin d c. 22. in vita Sylvestri e Hist. l. 4. c. 26 f Dialog l. 4. c. 15 16 17. 26. g Fox Acts and Monu p. 517. 522. h Answer to the Preface of M Moores Book p 116. i Ser. on Hag. 1 p. 176. Defence of the Apology part 6. c. 9. divis 3. k Tho. Becons Reports of certaine men vol. 3. f 341. l Opus 90. Dierun c. 124. m Fox Acts and Monu vol. 2. p. 609. 610. n Gra. dist 41. o Spel. Concil tom 1. p. 261. 263. p De Brit. Eccl. Primordiis c. 4. p. 661. 736. 737. 13. 14. q c. 21 22. c. r See his Life before his Works ho. 33. in Matth. 21. in 1 Cor. t Niceph. Eccl. hist. l. 18. c. 39. n Niceph. l. 8. c. 42. Socra eccl hist. l. 1. c. 12. s Naz. ora● 35. x Epist. 2. y M. Wheten p 44 45 46. z Sulpitius Scverus sacr hist. l. 2. Vssertus de Brit. Ec. Primordiis p. 196. a August