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A40860 The famous tryal in B.R. between Thomas Neale, Esq. and the late Lady Theadosia Ivy the 4th of June, 1684, before the Right Honourable the late Lord Jeffreys, lord chief justice of England, for part of Shadwell in the county of Middlesex ... together with a pamphlet heretofore writ ... by Sir Thomas Ivy ... Mossam, Elam.; Ivy, Theadosia Stepkins, Lady, d. 1694 or 5?; Neale, Thomas, d. 1699?; Ivie, Thomas. Alimony arraigned, or, The remonstrance and humble appeal of Thomas Ivie, Esq.; England and Wales. Court of King's Bench. 1696 (1696) Wing F386; ESTC R35557 155,074 101

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Lease made to Roper For Marcellus Hall after he had taken this long Lease from Stepkins 30 Nov. 2 3 Phil. Mar. doth demise the Land in Question to Richard Roper for Twenty Four Years And we shall shew that in all the Queen's Time Roper was Tenant Then Iasper Hill who was the Heir of Richard Hill in 12 Nov. 5 6 Ph. M. by Deed and afterwards 3 Eliz. by Fine and common Recovery conveys all these Lands particularly by Name and releaseth them to Iohn and Macheline Stepkin and the Heirs of Iohn and so lodged the Inheritance in the Stepkinses all but that which was thus out in a long Lease to Marcellus Hall We shall prove that before Richard Hill died he entred into a Statute to Vivold and Salvago for a great Sum of Money and this Statute comes to be extended 3 Eliz. and there this Land notwithstanding these Leases are siezed and extended as Hill's Lands We shall shew all this Land upon a Commission of Sewers had a Survey taken of it When we have shewn all these Records and proved that this is Marsh Ground and not a Witness of theirs but must acknowledge it to be Marsh Ground for that place of Foxes-Lane was raised at least Nine Foot and so proportionably was the rest of the Ground And it appears at this day that upon a high Tide all their Sellars are overflown I think then you will make no doubt whether this be our Land or no and to proceed in this Order that I have opened we will first shew you the Survey There was one thing I forgot about the Eleven Acres Mr. Serj. Stringer What is it you read first Sir L. C. I. What do you begin with Mr. Attorney Mr. Att. Gen. Your Lordship observes they shew a Lease from Dean Fecknam the 10 Dec. 2 3. of Ph. M. Now on the 22. Dec. in the same Year we shall shew Marcellus Hall by Lease to Carter butts it upon the East side of the Mill. L. C. I. I took Notes the last time of your Evidence and it began in H. 8 time Mr. Att. Gen. My Lord when we come to our Title we shall go on in the same Method we did then but now we are only shewing where the Lands are L. C. I. Go your own way Clerk Reads This Indenture made the 22th day of December in the Second and Third Years of the Reigns of our Soveraign Lord and Lady Philip and Mary by the Grace of God King and Queen of England Spain France both the Cicilies Ierusalem and Ireland Defenders of the Faith Arch-Dukes of Austria Dukes of Burgundy Millain and Brabant Counts of Haspurg Flanders and Tyroll between Marcellus Hall of Ratcliff Miller of the one Part and Iohn Carter of Ratcliff Oar-maker of Stebunheath of the other Part Witnesseth That the said Marcellus Hall hath Demised Granted and to Farm Lett unto the said Iohn Carter that his Wharf lying in Ratcliff where late the Mill stood called Ratcliff Mill adjoyning on the West upon the East side of the Mill Ditch alias Mill Dam reaching from thence Eastward 30 Foot and from the North-east Corner of the said Mill-Dam Southward to the River of Thames 20 Foot to have and to hold all and whole the said Wharf as is before specified with all Commodities and Profits belonging to the same to the said Iohn Carter to his Heirs Executors and Assigns from the Feast of St. Mary the Virgin immediately following the Date of these Presents until the End and Term of 30 Years L. C. I. This Lease was Read the last time Mr. Serj. Stringer Yes it was so my Lord. Clerk Reads to be fully compleat and ended yielding and paying therefore for the same unto the said Marcellus Hall his Heirs Executors and Assigns Ten Shillings of lawful Money of England yearly that is to say at the Feast of the Annunciation of St. Mary the Virgin And if it happen the said Rent to be behind and unpaid at the said Feast in part or in all by the space of one Fortnight and lawfully asked of the said Iohn Carter his Executors and Assigns then it shall be lawful to the said Marcellus Hall his Heirs Executors and Assigns to Distrain for his said Rent so being behind and the Distress so taken to keep until such time as the said Rent with the Arrearages be fully satisfied and paid L. C. I. For how many Years is that Mr. Att. Gen. Thirty Years L. C. I. What is demised by this Lease Mr. Att. Gen. Read the particulars agen Sir I. Trevor My Lord we would gladly know where they had this Lease that so it may appear whence it came for we know they have an excellent Art at finding out of Deeds L. C. I. Ay come shew where you had it Let me see it Mr. Att. Gen. We did produce it at the last Tryal and at the first too L. C. I. But that this Jury knows nothing of and they call for some account of it on the other side Mr. Att. Gen. Mr. Knowles do you know any thing of that Deed When did you first see it Mr. Williams And where had you it Knowles My Lord I had it in a Garrot in a kind of a Nook about six Foot long and three Foot and an half wide in my own House in the Garrot among other Writings L. C. I. How came you to have them Knowles As I was Executor to Winterburn Mr. Powis Pray Mr. Knowles will you tell upon what occasion you looked there and found them Mr. Serj. Pemb. Ay pray give an Account of the whole Knowles My Lord upon the Second of August 1682. was the first time I ever saw my Lady Ivy to my Knowledge and she was informed by one Mr. Viccarer that I had several Writings of Winterburn's I told her I had so and my Lady desired me to search among them if there were any Writings that concerned Stepkins's Estate I told her it would take up a Months time to look them all over for there was a great Quantity of them She said I would do her a great kindness if I would look I promised her I would and upon the Fourth of September I think I found the Deed. L. C. I. How was Winterburn concerned Mr. Att. Gen. They have shewn that he was owner of the Land once Mr. Williams Did you ever read over that Lease L. C. I. I ask you again how was Winterburn concerned Knowles He was Partner with Wright who sold the Estate to Mr. Neale Mr. Soll. Gen. Wright sold to Neale Winterburn died and this Man was his Executor and so he came to the Writings Mr. Att. Gen. But pray Mr. Knowles tell us were these Writings ever shewn to Mr. Neale Knowles In the year 1669. when Mr. Neale bought this Estate of my Uncle Wright the Writings were all to be looked over and upon Mr. Neale's request all the Writings were sent to his Council a Gentleman in Grays-Inn one Cage I
also all that parcel West adjoyning to the six Acres which I the said Richard Hill hold in my own hand and also that is to say all that parcel with the Bank or Wall Island and Pond containing by estimation of measure five Acres which last Thirteen Acres I bought of and had conveyed to me and my Heirs from one Iohn St All which four and twenty Acres and an half more or less of Marsh Land abutteth on the Thames Wall on the part of the South to the Lands of the Dean and Chapter of the Cathedral Church of St. Paul called the Linches on the part of the North on the aforesaid Mill on the part of the East and on Twenty Acres of the said Thomas Stepkin on the part of the west and also all the Thames Bank or Wall belonging to the said four and twenty Acres and an half of Marsh Land which said piece or parcel of Wall doth abut on the South-end of the said on part of the East and on the Bank or Wall in the occupying of William Knevet on the part of the west All which Marsh Land Bank or Wall are in the East end of Waping Marsh abutting on the aforesaid Mill and Hilly Bank aforesaid in the way leading to the Town of Ratcliff aforesaid And which Four and twenty Acres are part and parcel of One hundred and thirty Acres which was heretofore continually for the most part overflown and drowned with the water of the River of Thames and all and singular Messuages Cottages Houses Edifices Orchards Tofts Foreland and Soyl which were the said Thomas Stepkinses before the overflowing and all and singular Messuages Edifices Cottages Cellars Sollars Orchards Woods and Underwoods and all other the rest of my Heriditaments whatsoever in the Parish and Mannor of Stepney in the County of Middlesex Mr. Att. Gen. Now we shall produce a Lease from Stepkins to Marcellus Hall Mr. Serj. Pembleton I hope they will give some account of this Deed first Mr. Att. Gen. When you say any thing against it Mr. Serjeant we will but we desire now to go on with our Evidence Read that Deed. Clerk Reads This has been read before and is marked This Indenture made the Twentieth Day of April in the Sixth Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord King Edward the Sixth by the Grace of God King of England France and Ireland Betwixt Thomas Stepkin otherwise Stipkin of the Parish of St. Mary Mackfellon in the County of Middlesex without Algate Beer Brewer of the one part and Marcellus Hall of Ratcliff Miller of the other part Witnesseth that the said Thomas Stepkin otherwise Stipkin for the Sum of 50 l. of lawful Money of England to the said Thomas Stepkin otherwise Stipkin by the said Marcellus Hall at the ensealing hereof well and truly paid and satisfied and of the same doth clearly acquit and discharge the said Marcellus Hall his Executors and Assignes and every of them by these Presents hath demised granted betaken and to farm letten and by these Presents doth demise grant betake and to Farm lett unto the said Marcellus Hall all those his Parcels of Marsh-land lying and joining on the West side of Hilly-bank or way called Ratcliff-way and the Well adjoining to the way that goeth up to the Lynches called Shadwell lying in the East end of the Marsh containing by Estimation of Measure three Acres and an half and all the next piece West adjoining to the same containing by Estimation of Measure Six Acres and the Pond and Two Acres adjoining on the West side of the Six Acres lying on the Bottom of the Hilly-Lynches adjoining North-West on the Wall which reacheth from the Lynches to the Island by the Pond all which eleven Acres and an half little more or less abutteth on the Thames Wall on the party of the South to the Dean and Chapter of the Cathedral Church of St. Paul called the Lynches on the party of the North and on the Wall by the Pond on the party of the West and also all the Thames Wall belonging to the said Eleven Acres and an half of Meadow or Marsh-land which said Piece or Parcel of Bank or Wall doth abutt on the South End of the aforesaid Hilly-bank or way reaching to the East side of it which leadeth to Ratcliff Town on the party of the East and on the Wall in the Occupation of Iohn Everard on the Party of the West and also all the Foreland and Soyl down to the Low-Water-Mark of the River of Thames belonging to the Premises all which in the East End of Wapping-Marsh abutting on the aforesaid Mill and the Mill Hilly-bank or way leading as aforesaid in the Parish and Mannor of Stebunheath otherwise Stepney in the County of Middlesex and now in the holding of the said Marcellus Hall to have and to hold all the said Parcels of Marsh-land Foreland and Soyle and every part and Parcel thereof to the said Marcellus Hall his Executors and Assignes from the Feast of the Annunciation of St. Mary the Virgin before the Date hereof to the End and Term of One Hundred Twenty and Eight Years thence next ensuing yielding Mr. Sol. Gen. Read the Proviso L. C. I. Read the Reservation of the Rent Clerk reads Yielding and paying therefore yearly for the same to the said Thomas Stepkins his Heirs and Assignes one Pepper Corn at the Feast of the Annunciation Mr. Sol. Gen. Now read the Proviso Clerk Reads And the said Marcellus Hall for himself his Executors Assignes Covenanteth and granteth to and with the said Thomas Stepkins his Heirs and Assignes that he the said Marcellus Hall his Executors and Assignes shall and will bear all manner of Charges And it is further covenanted granted and agreed between the said Parties that it shall not be lawful for the said Marcellus Hall his Executors or Assignes to alienate or assigne this present Term of Years or any part thereof without the special License or Consent of the said Thomas Stepkins his Heirs and Assignes Mr. Williams Pray my Lord will you give me leave to ask a Question of Mr. Banister Mr. Att. Gen. My Lord he has not been examined yet they cannot under Favour ask him any Questions Mr. Williams You have sworn him and so he is under an Oath and we may doubtless examine him as your Witness to this Deed that you have read Is that your Name Sir Shewing him the Deed of 16 Apr. Banister This is my Name written by my own Hand Mr. Williams When did you write your Hand there Mr. Banister Banister The 16th of April 1682. Mr. Williams Pray Sir look upon it again Banister This is my hand and I writ it my self when the Deed was found I writ a Paper of such Deeds as were found at the same Instant of time Mr. Williams And you writ it when you found it Banister I writ that Name at that Instant of Time Mr. S. Pemberton When was it do you say Banister The 16th of Sept.
they met and in half an hour Mr. Neale came up stairs after they had changed two or three Complements they came to talk about meeting at Mr. Attorney Generals Chamber in the Temple to Treat about their Controversie Says Mr. Neale let there be a Forfeiture upon it of 50 l. to be paid by him that faills No says Mr. Brian I will make no forfeiture but I will certainly meet there Says Mr. Neale again and I question not but to give such satisfaction as whereby to convince you and my Lady that this is not her Estate I should be glad to hear that says Mr. Brian why I hope you do not think the Deeds are Forged No says Mr. Neale I do not think they are forged Mr. Knowles offered me a long time ago to shew me that Deed and I might have had it in my possession but I would not for if I had I should have been the aptest man in the world to burn it This is all I can say L. C. I. And what is this to the purpose Gentlemen alack a day this is very thin A slight Discourse in a Tavern how can any answer be given to such an Evidence tho' indeed it does not need any pray let not our time be taken up with such trifling stories of a cock and a bull Go on to that which is material Mr. Att. Gen. Now we shall produce a Lease from Marcellus Hall to one Roper of part of this Eleven Acres and an half Clerk reads This Indenture made the 13 day of November in the 2d and 3d years of the Reigns of our Soveraign Lord and Lady Philip and Mary by the Grace of God King and Queen of England Spain France both the Sicilies Ierusalem and Ireland Defenders of the Faith Arch-Dukes of Austria Dukes of Burgundy Millain and Brabant Countess of Hasburg Flanders and Tyrole between Marcellus Hall of Radcliff Miller of the one party and Richard Roper Citizen and Salter of London of the other party witnesseth That the said Marcellus Hall for the sum of Six pounds of good and lawful Money of England to him by the said Richard Roper in hand paid whereof the said Marcellus Hall clearly acquitteth and dischargeth the said Richard Roper his Executors and Assigns and every of them by these presents hath granted demised and to farm letten and by these presents granteth demiseth and to farm letteth to the said Richard Roper a parcel of Marsh Ground lying and being in Waping Marsh at the East end of the Marsh beginning at the west side of the Well which lyeth by the way that leadeth up to the Linches called Shadwel measured by a strait line from the Linches by the west side of the Well to the Thames Wall and reaching West to the way that leadeth up into Radcliff high way containing by estimation of Measure Seven Acres little more or less and the Pond all which Marsh Land abutteth North upon the Linches of the Deart and Chapter of the Cathedral Church of St. Paul and South upon the Thames Wall and also all the Thames Wall belonging to the Seven Acres with the Forland and Soyl down to the Low Water Mark of the River of Thames All which Marsh Lands are lying in the Parish and Mannor of Stebunhith alias Stepney in the County of Middlesex To have and to hold the said parcel of Marsh Ground Wall Fore-Land and Soyl with the appurtenances to the said Richard Roper his Executors and Assigns from the Feast of the Annunciation of our blessed Lady St Mary the Virgin next coming unto the end and term of Four and twenty years from thence next ensuing and fully to be compleated and ended yielding and paying therefore yearly during the said Term to the said Marcellus Hall his Executors and Assigns Three pounds of good and lawful money of England at Four Terms of the year L. C. I. What date is that Deed of Clerk The 13 th of November in the 2 d and 3 d. years of King Philip and Queen Mary Mr. Att. Gen. Now we shall read Stepkinses's Licence to Hall to alien his Term. Clerk Reads To all manner of People to whom this present writing shall come I Thomas Stepkins alias Stipkins of the Parish of Stebunhith alias Stepney in the County of Middlesex Beer Brewer send Greeting in our Lord God Everlasting Whereas I the said Thomas Stepkins in the 16 th of April in the sixth year of Edward the sixth have betaken Eleven Acres and an half of Marsh Land with all the Bank with the Foreland and Soyl down to the Low water mark of the River of Thames that he should not alien or assign the said Lease or Term of years without the special license or consent Now know ye That I the said Thomas Stepkins for divers good causes give Leave and License to the said Marcellus Hall to the Right Worshipful Mr Dean of the Cathedral Church of St. Paul with the Wall Foreland or Soyl under such Covenants as is reserved and contained Mr. Williams I would ask Mr. Banister something about this Deed look upon it Sir Mr. Att. Gen. We have not done with him yet Pray take that Deed out of his hand Mr. S. Pemberton You will let him give some account of it first Mr. Attorney Mr. Att. Gen. You would sain confound him Mr. S. Pemberton He is confounded enough already Mr. Sol. Gen. Now Mr. Banister you have considered of it pray once more look upon the Deed again which he did Was that Deed one that you signed then or no Banister This is my name but I cannot find the Date of this Deed in my paper I cannot tell now whether it be one I found then or no. Mr. Sol. Gen. Did you set your hand to any Deeds that were found there which you did not set down in your paper Banister No not that I know of I do not know I did L. C. I. Prithee where didst thou set thy hand to that Deed. Banister I set my hand to the Deeds that were found there at the House L. C. I. Did you set your hand to none else but what were found there Banister I have set my hand to divers Deeds beside but they are none of those Deeds that are in my paper L. C. I. Where did you set your hand to any Deeds besides Banister To divers Deeds I have set my hand at home L. C. I. Have you to any relating to the Lands in question Banister I do not know that I have set my hand to any Deeds relating to the Lands in question but at Mr. Knowles's L. C. I. To what purpose did you set your Hand and Name to the Deeds you found at Knowles's Banister To the same intent to testifie that I was at the finding of them L. C. I. To what end did you set your Hand to any other Deeds Banister To the intent that I knew better where the Lands did lye then she did and when my Lady found any Deeds I set my Hand to
them and then found the places where the Lands lay L. C. I. Thou hast had a fair time to consider of that Deed canst thou see here to what place that Deed relates by this mark Banister I cannot find the date of the Deed in my paper L. C. I. But where do you think you did put your name to that Deed Banister I cannot tell whether I did it at that time or no but this is my Name L. C. I. I know thy Name is there man I read it two hours ago but did you put your hand to that as one of the Deeds that you found in September 1682. when you were at Mr. Knowles's or not Banister I cannot tell L. C. I. Dost thou believe thou didst not Banister I cannot tell Banister I cannot tell L. C. I. Canst thou tell the reason why thou didst set thy hand to it Banister Certainly because I was at the finding of it I know no otherwise Mr. S. Pemberton Now pray look upon this Deed shewing him another and see whether that be your Name or not Banister Yes my Lord I will Mr. S. Pemberton Is that your Name Banister Yes it is this is one of the Deeds that was found at Mr. Knowles's Mr. S. Pemberton You said so as to the other too Mr. Att. Gen. But he was not so positive in it Banister This is Rat-eaten and so I know it again and there is a Rat-eaten Deed set down in my paper L. C. I. Lethim be as positive as he will he has been forsworn five times Mr. Sol. Gen. He was confounded with a mistake of the Deeds he having set his hand to so many L. C. I. They are Perjured both of them plainly that is the truth of the matter Mr. Att. Gen. I hope the folly of our Witnesses in such Circumstances shall not rob us of our own Land and that it appears to be plainly L. C. I. God forbid but you should have your own Land but by the grace of God if I can help it you shall never have a foot of Land by Forswearing and Perjury Mr. Williams When did you find that Deed Banister The 16 th of September Mr. Williams Where Banister In the Garret at Mr. Knowles's Mr. Williams Are you sure of it Banister Yes I am sure of that Deed because it is Rat-eaten Mr. Williams Knowles Pray do you look upon it what say you to that Deed Knowles This is my hand and this is one of the Deeds that was found there at that time Mr. Williams Pray read the Date of that Deed there Clerk Reads This Indenture made the Thirteenth day of November in the 2 d. and 3 d. Years of Philip and Mary Mr. S. Pemberton That is a Deed from Marcellus Hall to Roper how should that come to be at Knowles's L. C. I. They have sworn it Mr. Att. Gen. They go about to blemish our Deeds by the Folly of our Witnesses which we cannot help We however leave the Deeds to the Jury and let them see if those Seals and other things look like counterfeit L. C. I. Well go on the Jury will have the Deeds with them Mr. Att. Gen. My Lord we did before produce a Conveyance from Richard Hill to Stepkins It rested not there that Conveyance had no legal Execution thereupon there was a Fine and Recovery by the Heir of Hill and what was the Occasion of that will appear by the Deed. Clerk Reads This Indenture made the Twelfth day of November in the First and Sixth Years of the Reigns of our Sovereign Lord and Lady Philip and Mary by the Grace of God King and Queen of England Spain France both the Sicilies Ierusalem and Ireland Defenders of the Faith Archdukes of Austria Dukes of Burgundy Millain and Brabant Counties of Haspurg Flanders and Tyrol Between Iasper Hill Son and Heir of Richard Hill late Citizen and Mercer of London of the one Party and Macheline Stepkins late Wife and Executrix of the last Will and Testament of Thomas Stepkin and Iohn Stepkin Son and Heir apparent of the said Thomas of the other Party witnesseth that whereas the said Richard Hill Father of the said Iasper amounting in the whole to the Summ of 2000 by the said Macheline And where variance concerning all that Parcel of Marsh-Land unto St. Katherines which the said Richard Hill bought of Cornelius Vanderdelf for the assuring all that Wapping-Marsh the said Richard Hill stands Bound in an Obligation of which Condition that he should make by a certain Day a good sure sufficient indefeasible of and in all those Parcels of Marsh-land lying in Wapping-marsh that is to say all that with Six Acres of Marsh now in the Tenure or Occupation of one Knevett or his Assignes and all those lying in the East and in the Tenure of one Miller that is to say all the Bank containing by estimation three Acres and an half and all those next adjoining by Measure six Acres or more and two Acres by Estimation of Measure lying in the Bottom of the Lynches and reacheth from the Lynches to the Island by the Pond and also all that Parcel divided into twain six Acres and also that holds in his own Hands that is to say all that Parcel with the Island and Pond containing by Estimation of Measure five Acres and of and in all those Parcels lying on the West side of the Pond containing in the whole sixteen Acres by Measure all which said 16 Acres to Gravel-Lane the said Richard Hill had in his own Occupation reaching to Gravel-Lane sometime plowed and sown by one Richard Clayton and now in the Occupation of one Cooper Butcher and lying on the East side of Gravel-lane towards London Fields which was conveyed to him from one Richard Tyrrell and also all that Marsh in the Tenure of one Clayton Butcher one William Cound Butcher seventeen Acres and of Edward Ash four Acres and also all the Lands Tenements Rents Houses Ponds Fishings Mills to the Low Water-mark of the River of Thames and all Trees For the appeasing all Variances and Suits the said Parties to this Indenture have fully condescended and agreed in Form following that is to say the said Iasper Hill for the Sum of 1200 l. of lawful Money of England in which he acknowledgeth himself to be truly indebted to the said Marcheline and Iohn Stepkin doth give grant bargain sell to the said Marcheline and Iohn Stepkin all the said Marsh-ground lying in Wapping-marsh with all manner of Lands Tenements Forelands Ways Trees to the Low Water-mark with the Appurtenances lying and being in without or elsewhere within the Parishes their Heirs and Assignes for ever all the Right Title together with all Evidences and Writings discharged of all former Charges Incumberances by the said Iasper Hill Mr. Att. Gen. Next we shall shew that Marcellus Hall that had this long Lease and had demised the seven Acres down from Shadwell to Roper doth on the 14th of Nov. in the 5th and 6th Years
Trough with those Tide-mills as you call them Grindy We can use none nor do we make any such thing Mr. Att. Gen. Would not the Springs in the Lynches carry an Over-shot-mill Grindy Sir I have seen the Place all about many times and I will lay any Man 20 l. to 20 s. that all the Springs thereabouts shall not Produce a quarter enough Water Mr. Williams Where is George Care Swear him Which done Do you know Foxes-lane Care Very well Mr. Williams How long have you known it Care Eight and Fifty Years Mr. Williams Did you know Shadwell the Well so called Care That I did Sir Mr. Williams Where stood it pray Care At the upper End of Foxes-lane as we go Westward and just at the side of the Church-yard there is one now and brick'd over Head where they used to fetch Water I never knew any other Mr. Williams Was that called Shadwell Care I never knew any other but what I tell you of Mr. S. Stringer Pray what was usually taken to be the East-bound of Wapping-Marsh Care The West side of Foxes-lane was called Marsh-Wall or Wall Marsh and that was the Boundary to Stepkins's Lands and Eastward was always the Lands of the Dean of Pauls and I have known it this Eight and Fifty Years Nay I was the first that ever built an House in Foxes lane Mr. Att. Gen. Do you know the Lynches or the High-Ground Northward Care I know it not by that Name Mr. Att. Gen. This Well you speak of did it not rise out of that Ground Care It was by the Church-yard that is now Mr. Att. Gen. You have that the Inheritance of it Mr. Williams Sir we hope we shall not need to be taught which is our Inheritance Where is Mr. Mar. We shall now my Lord answer the Admeasurement made by her Surveyor Holwell Pray will you Mr. Marr tell the Court how many Acres it is Marr. The Land which is counted Wapping-Marsh which is bounded on Foxes-lane East on the Dean's Land West upon Grash-Mill Well-close Nightinghal lane c. if we take it to the upper Ground doth contain 130 Acres but take in that which is in Question too and it makes 141 Acres Mr. Williams Did you measure it too Mr. Leyburn Leyburn I did so too Sir and it is as he says L. C. I. How much is it Leyburn I took the whole from St. Katharines to Foxes-lane and it makes 130 Acres besides the Upland and Foreland and the like between Grash-mill and Wall-marsh-wall It is at least so much it is I think somewhat more the Ditches being undetermined L. C. I. Well what is it all this while you keep my Brother Gregory for Mr. Williams If your Lordship please we have only a short Question to ask Mr. Baron Gregory if he please to be sworn Which was done Where is Mr. Knowles Sir you were pleased to say that the Writings were carried to Mr. Neale's Council in Grays-Inn and that that Writing was among them Knowles They wereso and I believe it was among them Mr. Williams My Lord Mr. Baron Gregory had the Perusal of these Writings L. C. I. But Mr. Williams my Brother Gregory was not named to be the Counsellor in Grays-Inn Knowles No one Gage or some such Name L. C. I. I suppose it was to Mr. Cage's Chamber that married Okey's Widow M. S. Stringer I believe it was and I am sorry we have kept Mr. Baron Gregory so long Knowles Pray did you know they were with Mr. Baron Gregory L. C. I. Did you know they were with my Brother Gregory Knowles No my Lord that I remember L. C. I. Well Brother we cannot help your staying now but remember you had an Offer made you at first and you are punished for refusing it Go on Brother Stringer Mr. S. Pemberton My Lord that which we were surprized with the last Trial was the Newness of these Deeds to us It look'd to us to be so strange a thing so amazing a thing to us that we knew not how to give an answer to it We have since considered of these things and your Lordship doth see what account they themselves have given of them And what an improbability it is that these Deeds should be found as they say Here was a Possession which we have proved under the Dean of Pauls Lease for so long this they would strip us of these Deeds that they have trumped up It made us look into it more warily and we cannot conceive it probable or any thing likely that the Deed of Purchase whereby this Land is pretended to be purchased into the Family of the Stepkins's should be found in the Hands of the Dean of Pauls Lessee who likewise purchas'd it of the State as the Inheritance of the Dean of Pauls How could the Deed of Purchase from Hill be in our Lessees House Mr. Att. Gen. It was not that is a mistake Mr. S. Pemberton Good Mr. Attorney do not interrupt me We must rely upon it that they swore it the last time and that the Deed of Inheritance made four days before our Deed on purpose to warrant the Trick Here is likewise a Surrender made between Hall and Stepkins produced How the Deans Lessees should come to have that Deed of Surrender But to satisfie your Lordship in this matter We shall give a Full and a Fair Evidence that these Deeds are forged Mr. Bradbury My Lord we have had a violent suspicion that these Deeds were forged But we suspect it now no longer for we have detected it and will shew as palpable self-evident Forgery upon the Face of these Deeds as ever was I desire to see the Deed of the 13th of November in the 2d and 3d years of Philip and Mary from Marcellus Hall to Roper and that of the 22th of December in the same years from Marcellus Hall to Carter I desire to see too Your Lordship sees the use of these Deeds The one is grafted upon our Lease from Dean Fecknam where it is recited that the Mill is demolished and a new one erected in another place says their Deed and upon that they set up the Notion of an Overshot-Mill and all the puzling Matter brought into this Cause But I dare undertake to prove them plainly forged Mr. Attorney That is an undertaking indeed Mr. Bradbury It is an undertaking indeed to detect the Defendants Articles but I will venture upon it and shall demonstrate it so evidently that Mr. Attorney himself shall be convinced they are forged Mr. Att. Gen. Come on let us see this Demonstration Mr. Bradbury The Deeds have brought that Evidence upon their own Faces that is 1000 Witnesses Mr. Williams Prithee open the Exception Mr. Bradbury If your Lordship please to look upon them the Stile of the King and Queen in both run thus The one is This Indenture made the thirteenth day of November in the Second and Third Years of the Reigns of our Soveraign Lord and Lady Philip and Mary by the Grace of God King and Queen of England Spain
France both Cicilies Ierusalem and Ireland Defenders of the Faith Arch Dukes of Austria Dukes of Burgundy Millain and Brabant Counties of Hasburg Flanders and Tyroll The other is This Indenture made the 22th day of December in the same Year Now in November and December 2 and 3 of Philip and Mary it was impossible for any man in the World to draw a Deed in this Form that those two Writings are Mr. Att. Gen. Is that your Demonstration L. C. I. Pray let him go on methinks it is very ingenious Mr. Bradbury My Lord I had the hint from my Lord Coke in his first Institutes not as to this particular Stile for I know he is mistaken there but for the detecting of Forgeries in general L. C. I. It is very well pray go on Mr. Bradbury My Lord at that time King Philip and Queen Mary were among other Stiles stiled King and Queen of Naples Princes of Spain and Sicily they never were called King and Queen of Spain and both the Cicilies then And lastly Burgundy was never put before Millain Now to prove all this that I say I have here all the Records of that time which will prove their Stile to be otherwise First We shall shew the Acts of Parliament of that time The sitting began the 21th of October in that Year which was before their Deeds and ended the 9th of December after We shall first read the Titles of the Acts of Parliament and you will find them just as I have opened them Read the Statute Book Clerk Reads Acts made at a Parliament begun and holden at Westminster the one and twentieth day of October in the Second and Third Years of the Reign of our most gracious Soveraign Lord and Lady Philip and Mary by the Grace of God King and Queen of England France Naples Ierusalem and Ireland Defenders of the Faith Princes of Spain and Sicily Arch Dukes of Austria Dukes of Millain Burgundy and Brabant Counties of Haspurg Flanders and Tyroll and there continued and kept until the Dissolution of the same being the ninth day of December then next ensuing M. Bradbury Here in the Acts made by the Publick Council of the Kingdom the Style is in the ancient manner And your Lordships observes these no small differences Here first Spain is left out in the enumeration of the Kingdoms and so Sicily and Naples is instead of them In the Deeds Spain is put in before France and the Sicilies made a Kingdom too Secondly Here in the Style of the Act they are called but Princes of Spain and Sicily that in the Deeds is quite left out And then in the Acts of Parliament Millain is put before Burgundy in the Deeds Burgundy before Millain And how this great alteration of the Style should come to be put in a Millers Lease is strange We have next an account of all the Fines of Hillary Term which was the Term next following for their first Deed happens to be in Michaelmas Term and then the Parliament sate too Many of which were read Mr. Bradbury Here are likewise the Fines of Easter Term following which shew that still the Old Style continued in all the publick Records And if we could as easily have brought all the Enrolments of Deeds that would prove the same The Fines of Easter Term read Mr. Bradbury Now my Lord we shall shew when the Style turn'd that was in Trinity Term after The Fines read Mr. Bradbury But I cannot see how these Deeds could be truly made at that time when they stand single and none like them can be shewn except they come from the same Forge that these do I cannot believe the Miller alone or he that drew his Leases for him could so long before prophecy what manner of Style should hereafter be used Mr. Williams Your Lordship has heard our Deed of the 10th of December in the same Year read already but we having here the Leiger Book of the Church of St. Pauls which cannot be made for a Turn but was written at that time we desire the Style may be read there Which was done But to go a little further to satisfie your Lordship that they are very likely to be forged We shall give some evidence that this is not an unusual thing with some People concerned in this Cause The Witnesses will name them to you and give you an account of it Swear this Lady and Sir Charles Cotterel Which was done L. C. I. Well what is it you call these Persons to Sir Iohn Trevor To speak plain my Lord we call them to give an account of my Lady Ivies forging a Mortgage from one Sir William Salkhill for 1500 l. of a House in St. Martins Lane to which forgery Mr. Duffet that Ladies Husband was privy and what benefit he should have by it you will hear Sir Charles Cotterel pray will you tell what you know of my Lady Ivie in this matter Sir Charles Cotterell My Lord that which I have to say is this My Lord I am Tenant to my Lady Salkhill Sir William Salkhill's Widow in a House in St. Martins Lane and was so to her Husband a year and a half before he died The House hath been built backward and the Garden side they kept to themselves But all the House that was first built I took and have it still My Lord my Lady Ivy did come to the House about three months before Sir William died parting from her Husband Sir Thomas Ivy she came thither as a Refuge where she had been before and was received very kindly He died as I said about three months after and my Lady then desired to know how accounts stood between Sir William and her about monies he had lent her and supplied her with And upon the Account she appeared to owe Sir William 96 l. she then took 4 l. more out of my Lady Salthills mony and told her now Madam I owe you 100 l. She had been entertained as a Guest there without paying any thing for it and at his death she continued with my Lady Salthill three quarters of a year after And being there as she pretended in great kindness to me she persuaded my Lady and me that the Lease of my Ladies House should be turned over to me in trust for a Debt of fourscore pounds that was owing to me by Sir William Salkhill Said I to my Lady Salkhill Madam I am in no doubt of my mony I pay as much Rent as this in a Year and more I can pay my self that way pary let not me meddle with any such thing Mr. Duffett will be persuaded I intend to cheat them if I should But still my Lady Ivy was at it and prevailed upon my Lady Salkhill to press me to it At last upon their importunity said I if it be necessary for my Ladies service let it be done what you think fit She therefore gave direction to Mr. Sutton and he
of the most Noble Reign to have and to hold Mr. Att. Gen. This doth vest the Lands in question with others in Vivold and Salvago as a Security for their Money Mr. Sol. Gen. Now we shall shew a Lease from Hill to Marcellus Hall Clerk Reads This Indenture made the Eleventh day of November in the Thirty Seventh year of the Reign of Henry the Eighth between Richard Hill Citizen and Mercer of London of the one partie and Marcellus Hall of Ratcliff Miller of the other partie Witnesseth That the said Richard Hill for the sum of Six pounds of lawful Money of England to him in hand paid at the ensealing and delivery hereof whereof the said Richard Hill hereby acknowledgeth himself to be fully satisfied contented and paid and whereof he doth clearly acquit and discharge the said Marcellus Hall his Executors and Administrators by these Presents hath Demised Granted and to Farm Letten and by these Presents doth Demise Grant and to Farm Lett unto the said Marcellus Hall a parcel of Marsh Ground lying and being at the East end of the Marsh that Butts on Ratcliff Hilly Marsh Wall-bank or Wall belonging and the Well Shadwell containing by estimation Eleven Acres and an Half more or less abutting on the Thames Wall on the party of the South to the Lands called the Deans Linches on the party of the North and on the Wall that reaches from the Linches to the Island by the Pond on the West with all the Foreland and Soyle All which Marsh Land is in the Parish of Stebunheath To have and to hold the said Marsh Land Foreland and Soyle to the said Marcellus Hall from the Feast of the Annunciation of St. Mary the Virgin next coming for Thirty and Four Years Mr. Att. Gen. This was a Lease made to their Miller and contains Eleven Acres and half an Acre which we shall shew is just exactly the contents of our Land Next then we shall come to the Conveyance made to Thomas Stepkin which will bring us to our Title L.C.I. Read the Reservation of that Lease Clerk Reads Yielding and paying therefore yearly and every year unto the said Richard Hill his Executors and Assigns Three pounds of good and lawful Money of England at four Terms of the year that is to say the Feast of the Nativity of St. Iohn the Baptist St. Michael the Archangel the Birth of our Lord and the Annunciation of St. Mary the Virgin Mr. S. Pemberton Pray my Lord we desire they may give some account of this Lease where they had it and how they came by it M. Att. Gen. You have had it in your hands you see what it is Mr. S. Pemberton Yes and therefore we desire to know some thing about it because we find Knowles hand to it Mr. Att. Gen. We can give you a better account of it than you think for but that will let you into an hours wrangle more which is all you have to say for yourselves We have it disprove it Mr. S. Pemberton You have it we see but remember you will give no account where you had it But then we desire to ask Mr. Knowles a Question Whether my Lady Ivy was with him Mr. Att. Gen. My Lord we desire we may go on and give our Evidence intire they would fain break in upon us and take up another hour in quarrelling with our Witness When we hear them in their time offer to impeach the Validity of the Deed then will be our time to justifie it and I doubt not but we shall give a satisfactory account of it Pray will you give an account of the Deed you snap'd up the last time L.C.I. Nay nay Gentlemen we cannot take up our time in your Dialogues and little heats Do you not hinder them and we shall see they shall not hinder you when it comes to your turn Clerk This Deed has been read for the Plaintiff and Defendant and is marked so Mr. Att. Gen. It has been twice read before L.C.I. Well will you go Gentlemen Mr. Sol. Gen. Then we shall shew this Deed Poll next Clerk This also is marked to have been read twice Reads This is dated 16 Apr. in the 6th year of King Edward the Sixth To all Faithful People to whom this present Writing shall come I Richard Hill Citizen and Mercer of London send Greeting in our Lord God Everlasting Know ye that I the said Richard Hill for the sum of One hundred and thirty pounds of lawful Money of England by Thomas Stepkins alias Stipkin of the Parish of St. Mary Matfellen alias Whitechappel in the County of Middlesex Beer-brewer unto me the said Richard Hill in hand paid wherewith I confess my self to be well and truly satisfied L.C.I. Upon whose account is it that my Brother Gregory comes here Mr. S. Stringer My Lord Mr. Baron Gregory was desired by the Plaintiff to be here and as soon as we come to our Reply we shall ask him some Questions if he please to stay we will dispatch him so soon as we can Mr. Att. Gen. Nay rather then trouble Mr. Baron to stay we yield he should be Examined now Mr. Bar. Gregory I am not in so much hast my Lord but I can stay a while and not break in upon the middle of an Evidence for me L.C.I. If you please they consent you may be Examined and they may be long Mr. Bar. Gregory I would not interrupt the course of Evidence L.C.I. Nay we will take you at your word but if it be long pray remember we would have eased you but you Complemented yourself out of it now you are like to abide-by it awhile I assure you Brother Go on Clerk Reads And do therefore acquit and exonerate the said Thomas Stepkin alias Stipkin his have given enfeoffed sold granted and by this my present writing confirmed all those my four and twenty Acres and an half of Marsh Land measured by the Rod or Pole lying in Wapping Marsh Three Acres of which are lying adjoyning on the west side of the Mill that butts on the Hilly Bank or way leading to Ratcliff Town called Ratcliff Mill with the Bank or Wall thereto belonging and the Well adjoyning to the way that goeth up to the Linches called Shadwel lying in the east end of the Marsh and all the next piece west adjoyning to the same containing by estimation one Acre and the Pond and two Acres adjoyning on the west side six Acres lying in the bottom of the Hilly Linches adjoyning Northwest on the Wall that reaches from the Linches to the Island by the Pond All which Eleven Acres and an half of Marsh-Land are in the holding of Marcellus Hall Miller and also the Bank or Wall Flood or Pond adjoyning west on the said Eleven Acres and an half containing by estimation of measure two Acres and also all that parcel late divided into two and now or late in the Tenure of Richard Hill Butcher containing by estimation of measure six Acres and