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A22702 Two bokes of the noble doctor and B. S. Augustine thone entiteled of the predestiuacion [sic] of saintes, thother of perseueraunce vnto thende, whervnto are annexed the determinaciouns of two auncient generall councelles, confermyng the doctrine taught in these bokes by s. Aug. all faythfully translated out of Laten into Englyshe by Iohn Scory the late B. of Chichester, very necessary for al tymes ...; De praedestinatione sanctorum. English. Augustine, Saint, Bishop of Hippo.; Scory, John, d. 1585. 1556 (1556) STC 921; ESTC S100326 111,327 288

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and to ratifye that whyche they vnderstande not 1. Cor. 14 The written worde sayeth that thys is a pointe of chyldishnes a declaracion that you are out of your wyttes Marke well the. 14. to the Corinthians and then iuge gentle reader whether I haue not truely charged them that in thys matter they do both cōtrary to the written worde of God also to cōmon sense and reason What shulde I speake of their grosse ydolatrye in worshipping of stockes stones and of their fyne iuggelynges in erectyng and maintainyng pilgrimages whyche I thynke can neuer be forgotten of oure age except they can make vs to haue as lytel witte in our heades as the Idoles which they haue compelled vs to worship haue lyfe felyng in their stockes and bodyes for theyr retrocedynges tende to thys point Retrocedinges backslydinges deforme defaceor disfigure to deforme the church agayne as it was in kynge Henry the .vii. dayes Do they not in thys thyng also cōmaūd that whyche God dothe expresselye forbyd Marke well the .ii. cōmaundement and then iuge Dothe not the wrytten worde call this their ydolatrye vanitie lyes fornicacion Deu. 27 psal 97 106. and 115. Esa 44 Bie 10. Eze. 14. Oze 13. miche 1. Aba 2. Gap 14 adultrye infidelite vnclennes fylthye donge and abhominaciō The other rablement of their execrable inuenciōs wherwith they haue disanulled goddes holy ordinaunces takyng to themselues a moste wicked and leude libertie I wil omitte at thys present Neuertheles thou mayest manifestly perceiue by these deare brother that for all their malicious railinges vpō the poore mēbres of Christ in Englande that lately floryshed here thorowe peace true doctrine vnder the protecciō of our late souereigne lorde the moste vertuous learned and excellent prince kynge Edwarde the .vi. and dothe nowe moste constantly endure and moste victoriously triumphe vnder the crosse of Christe that the same were be the true catholyke church of Christ of Englande the omitting or alteryng of certeine tradicions ceremonies notwythstandyng And that our aduersaries of whose moste fylthy and stynkyng maners and lyuynges of whose moste bloody and cruel tyrānies I haue made no particular mencion at thys present but onely by the waye touched two or thre pointes of theyr false antechristean religion that our aduersaries I saye are no more worthye of the name of the catholyke churche of Christe for al theyr stoute countenaunce then were the braggynge Iues worthye to be counted the true sede and sonnes of Abrahā Ioh 8. Vnto whose tethe and face Christe doubted not to saye ye are of your father that deuell and the lustes of your father ye wyl do he was a murtherer from the beginnyng and abode not in the truth because there is no truthe in hym Do not our aduersaries in theyr manyfold bloody cruel and straunge tyrannies in their moste fylthye and abhominable lustes in their moste false and lyeng doctrines and religion resemble expresse the veray lyuelye ymage of their father the deuell painted out in thys place by our sauiour Christ Prosperite in wicked doynge But my thynke I heare them nowe obiecte agaynst me their luckey successe in all their backslydynges they wolde haue me say procedynges whych they say God wold not so prospere except they were his true churche and allowed their religion and worshippinges Verelye I do confesse that their tyrannicall ydololatricall enterprises haue he therto wonderfullye prospered in their handes wherby I feare a great number ace seduced Neuertheles they are suche as neuer had loue vnto the truthe but had pleasure in vnryghtfulnes what soeuer pretēce they made outwardly whose 2. thes 2. names are not written in the boke of lyfe Apo. 13. 2. tim 2. For the sure grounde of god remayneth hauynge thys seale the Lorde knoweth thē that are his c. But yf thys argument of luckye successe wherwith they flatter them selues deceyue other were a good argument Then shuld the Turkes be the true church of God and their religion the purest For they haue wonderfully preuayled against the christians and that many yeres Reade the boke of the Iuges and ye also shall perceyue that sometyme the Moabites Iudi. 3.4.6 ▪ and 10. somtyme the Cananites somtyme the Madianites somtime the Philistiās the Ammonites Ammorites Sidonians Amelikites had the vpperhande vpon Israel sometyme by a longer space somtytyme by a shorter For thus it is writen in the seconde chapter of the same boke The Lorde waxed angry with Israel Iudi. 2. and delyuered them into the hādes of rauenares to spoile them solde them into the hādes of their enemyes roūde about them Papistical raueners leaue no maner of thyng neither to man wife nor chylde 4. re 17. so that they hadde no power any longer to stande before theyr enemies but vnto what soeuer thynge they wente the hande of the Lorde was vpō thē with euel lucke Dyd the good lucke of these Idolatrous nacions proue that they were the true churche of God God forbyd What shulde I speake of Salmanaser which cōquered and caried awaye into captiuite tenne of the. 12. tribes 4. re 25. Or els of Nabuchodonoser that in lyke maner caryed awaye thother two and burnt vp the cytie and tēple of Hierusalem Dyd thys happy successe of the Assirians and Babilonians proue that they were Goddes people Further was not the moste worthy and noble kynge Iosias of whome the scripture testifyeth 4. re 23. that there was none before him like vnto him that turned vnto the Lorde wyth all hys herte wyth all hys soule and al hys myght accordyng to all the law of Moses neither after hym arose there any suche was he not slayne of Pharao Neco kynge of Egipte when he had put downe all maner of Idolatrie and false religion and erected the true worshippyng of God accordyng to hys written worde Was not the same true religion worshippynge immediatly after his death abolyshed and ydolatrye and false religion agayne restored and exalted as hye as euer it had ben in ani kinges dayes before But what folowed thys apostacy and backslydyng of thisraelites Captiuite bondage and thraldome of the kynge of all hys nobles and cōmons and wastyng desolacion and burnynge vp of the hole citie and temple God be mercyfull vnto thys realme of England and graunt it grace once agayne to kysse imbrace the sonne of God lesse the Lorde be in lyke maner angrye wyth it c. Who doeth not knowe of the victory that Cain had agaynst Abel Gen. 4. Gen. 33. or of the dominion that Esau had vpon Iacob or of the successe wherby the Iewes preuailed agaynst Christe and hys apostels The Kynges and ruelers of thys worlde agaynste Christes holye martyres What maruell is it then that wyckednes hathe nowe in lyke maner the vpperhande Namelye seynge the holye scriptures do testifye that thys shulde thus be For Daniel the prophete speakynge of the
¶ Two bokes of the noble doctor and B. S. Augustine th one entiteled of the Predestinacion of saintes thother of perseueraunce vnto th ende whervnto are annexed the determinacions of two auncient generall Councelles confermyng the doctrine taught in these bokes by s Aug. all faythfully translated out of Laten into Englyshe by Iohn Scory the late B. of Chichester very necessary for al tymes but namely for oures wherin the Papistes Inabaptistes haue reuiued agayne the wycked opinions of the Pelagiās that extolled mās wyll merites agaynst the fre grace of Christe Yf ryghteousnes commeth by the lawe then Christ dyed in vayne Gala. 2. ¶ Reade fyrst and then iuge who haue preached the true catholyke doctrine of the Churche of Christ we or our aduersaries ¶ Vnto the Christean reader Iohn Scory the late B. of Chichester wysheth grace and peace frō God oure Father thorowe Iesu Christe our alone and onely mediator and Aduocate HE wrote not amysse whiche notynge thignorancie ingratitude and vanite of mās nature said that men cōmend prayse and wonder at thynges past and auncient they despyse and set nought by the thynges present whych they haue before their eyes and in their hādes they earnestly desyre and gredely couet thynges to come In the first we maye beholde mans ignorance because nothynge namely in religion and doctrine be it neuer so auncient is worthye any commendacion excepte the same be also grounded vpon truthe In the seconde we may consyder thingratitude of mā whych contemnynge goddes goodnes presently callyng all men to lyght lyfe and lybertie had rather abyde in darkenes death and bondage In the thyrde mans vanitie is bewrayed whych gapyng alwayes for newes is neuer cōtented nor satisfyed wyth the manyfest truthe obteyned and had The tyme of Christes cōuersacion in thys world wāted not these kyndes of men whych despysynge the present lyght of the worlde the foūtayne of lyfe truth Ioh. 8. whom they beheld wyth theyr eyes and handeled wyth theyr handes they commended and praysed the mooste auncient Moses with whome they knewe they sayd that God hadde talked wyth Ioh. 9. they made none ende of garnyshyng the monumentes and graues of the olde prophetes Mat. 23 and iuste men they bosted them selues to be the sonnes sede of olde father Abraham Ioh. 8. not for any loue or zeale they had to tholde fathers prophetes and their true worshippyng of God but onely for the hatered they bare to Christ and hys heauenly doctrine Wherfore God dyd after moste iustely accordyng to Christes threatnyng take away his kyngdome from them Mat. 21. and. 23. makynge theyr habitacion waste and desolate And bycause they loued not the truthe presently offered vnto them 2. Thes 3 be sene them streng delusion that they myght beleue lyes I came sayeth the sōne of God in my fathers name Ioh. 5. and ye receyued me not yf an other shall come in hys owne name hym wyll ye receyue Thus were the blynde vnthankfull and vayne Iues most iustely punyshed Whether our age be not ful of suche godles men I reporte me to thyne owne conscience gentle reader That God hathe in thys our age Ioel. 2. powred out aboūdant lye the manyfolde gyftes of hys holye spirite vpon the the chyldren of men to open our eyes that we myght be conuerted from darkenes to lyght and from the power of Satā vnto God Act. 20. that we myghte receyue the remission of sinnes and a felowshyp amonge them whych are sanctified thorowe fayth is more manyfest then the noone daye Neuerthelesse suche is the wylful ygnoraūce and vnthankfull vanite of mē that these present manyfolde and wonderfull gyftes of Goddes spirite beynge contemned and set at nought whyche we dayly se wyth our eyes hear wyth our eares and as it were grope wyth our handes they neuer cease cryenge fathers fathers the churche the churche to the intents onely to deface the cleare and open truthe reueled vnto their owne age They wolde make the worlde beleue that tholde auncient Ecclesiasticall wryters whose onely errores they adore and worship but the truthe whyche both they taught and we defende they either hyd and dissemble or els depraue and corrupt as they do the holy scriptures taught an other religion and an other waye of saluacion then was of late taught and by common consent and authoritie receyued in Englande in the dayes of the moste excellent and famous Henry the father and moste vertuouse and Godlye Edwarde the sonne the ryght myghtye and noble kynges lately of Englande whose moste worthy fames and memories tho some moste vngodly vnnaturally do continually endeuoure themselues by all maner of meanes to deface shall euermore cōtinue and be celebrate cōmended set out of all such as were their true and louyng subiectes They wolde I saye beare men in hande that in the dayes of these moste worthy kinges abhominable and new fangled doctrine was openly taught and a lyke religion receyued and vsed So vnthankfull they are vnto God for hys present benefites Neuertheles thou mayst euidētly perceyue deare brother by readyng of these bokes of S. Aug. whych I haue faythfully translated out of laten into Englysh wherunto I entend yf god wyl to adde an other entiteled of the spirit and letter what was thold doctrine of the catholyke churche touchynge our saluacion For teachynge and defendyng wherof chiefly accordyng to the truthe of the holy scriptures and the same auncient doctrine of the true catholyke church our aduersaries are not ashamed to saye that we the preachers that truely preached goddes holy worde in the dayes of thaffornamed moste noble kynges preached nothynge but newfangels and abhominable doctrine And therfore they thynke Ioh. 16. that they do God hye seruice to molest trouble vs in euery place to robbe and spoile vs of al maner of worldly lyuynges liberties and goodes to reuyle and slaunder vs to rayle and lye vpon vs openly euen in the pulpettes from the whych goddes holy worde ought onely to soude and be heard and not maliciouse slaūders and manyfest lyes These notwythstandynge they desyre to be coūted catholykes not onely vnlustly vsurpyng that name to them selues only but also vncharitably excludyng from the same al suche as be true catholykes in dede They haue many yeares iugled wyth the worlde vnder the tytle of the catholike church and notwythstandyng that by sondry meanes theyr leigerdemayne haue ben openly discouered wherby the moste parte of men perceyue well enowe theyr ypocrisie yet haue they nowe agayne put vpō theyr vnshamefast and horyshe face the vysar of the catholyke churche whiche S. Au. in these bokes do so pluck of that all men maye perceyue that in deprauyng the true catholyke dotrine of saluacion whyche we haue moste truely preached they shewe themselues to be the great hore that sytteth vpon many waters Apo. 17 the mother of horedome and abhominacions of the earth rather thē that catholike churche which is the
veray and only spouse of Christ Iesu our Lord Thou shalte therfore in these bokes gentle reader perceyue as I haue sayd the true catholyke doctrine of our saluacion and of all matters that depēde and are annexed to the same as what is the veray original cause of our saluaciō after what maner and sorte we are fyrst called vnto saluacion by what and whose meanes and deseruynges we so continue that we attayne the fruicion of the same in th end why al are not so called that they may folowe and obey the caller howe weake and vnable mans wyll is either to come to God or to continue in hym vnto th ende whether we be saued that is predestinate called iustifyed glorifyed frely thorowe the onely grace and fauoure of God by faythe in Christe Iesu or by the preceptes of good lyfe For thus S. August speaketh De spiritu littera Cap. 13. we conclude sayeth he that a man is not iustifyed by the preceptes of good lyfe but by the fayth of Iesu Christe That is not by the lawe of workes but by the lawe of fayth not by the letter but by the spirite not by the merites of dedes but by grace frely geuen I praye you whiche of vs all whych are iudged and proclamed by our aduersaries to be new fangled and lyeng preachers dyd euer preache more largely or otherwyse of the doctrine of saluacion and iustificacion then S. Aug. haue here wrytten I beseche the cōsyder and marke S. Aug. wordes well and then I doubt not but that thou shalt perceiue manyfestly that our aduersaries declare themselues moste shameles reprobates whyche are not afrayed in theyr frantyke furious mode to call that doctrine whych is onely auncient true and heauenly new fangled and abominable 2. Tim. 3 Neuertheles as the madnes of Iannes and Iambres that resysted Moses was euidēt vnto al mē euen so I doubt not but that thou mayest perceyue that S. Aug. dothe discouer here the madnes of these sorcerers whyche can none otherwyse beyng destitute of the trueth mayntayne their madnes but by violence and tyranny as theyr cruell enterpryses and procedinges do manyfestly declare to all the worlde thys daye That thou be not therfore deceyued and bewytched thorow their incantacions Gala. 3. reade diligētly I say these bokes of S. Aug. whervnto I haue in th ende annexed the determinaciō of two auncient councels that conferme the truthe of S. Aug. doctrine And yf any thynge peraduenture shall seame vnto the harde to be vnderstāde I wolde haue the to consyder that S. Aug. do in some places here intreat of goddes secret councelles and iugementes which can not be perceyued either by external senses 1. Cor. 2. Mat. 11. or naturall reason but by fayth only that beleueth and resteth in the true vnderstandynge of Goddes worde The beleuyng man therfore that calleth vpon God shal as easely vnderstande thys true catholyke doctrine of saluacion Ioh. 10. as the shepe knoweth the voyce of hys owne shepherd altho the wyse of the world that do peryshe whose vnbeleuynge myndes Satan hath blynded 2. Cor. 4. 1. Cor. 1. wyl esteme thys not onlye new fangled but also folyshe and abhominable Further yf any thynge that S. Au. here teacheth of the state of infantes that dye wythout baptime shal peraduenture offende the I muste desyre the diligently to wey and consyder bothe the horrible deformite of that originall synne wherin we were all borne Rom. 5. Psal 51. and also the moste iuste and secrete iugement of God vpon the chyldren of wrathe for the same whych S. Aug. in the .xii. chapter of thys seconde boke do set forthe moste playnly Ephe. 2. And thē I doubt not but that thou shall either be persuaded to credite also s Aug. in this mater or els thou wylt with quietnes modeste discent frō him For s Aug. intēded neuer either in these bokes or in any other tyrānically to cōpelle any mā as our aduersaries do to folow his iugement in religion but desyreth onely to be credited so far forth as a mā may perceyne that he dyd not erre That he was of thys mynde you maye in many places of hys other workes and namely in the. 21. chapter of thys seconde boke manyfestly se Neither haue I translated these bokes to call the from the certeine and infallible truthe and authoritie of Goddes worde to hange nowe vpon S. Aug. but that bothe thou and all other that wyll maye perceyue by the testimonye also of S. Aug. what was and is The cause of trāslatynge these bokes thold aūcient and true catholyke doctrine of the churche touchynge our saluacion whych cōsysteth vpon our eternall eleccion or predestinacion vocacion iustificacion and glorificacion as S. Paule testifieth to the Romanes wherby thou mayest the more truly iuge betwene vs oure aduersaries which cease not to crye out affermyng moste vntruly that we haue preached new fangled and abhominable doctrine But thys ought not to be passed ouer wyth silence that S. Aug. both in these bokes and in diuerse other places of hys workes do teache and afferme that infantes can not be saued wythout the receyuynge of the Sacramentes of Christes body and blood Of thys iudgement was also S. Cipriane wherby it is manyfest that in theyr dayes the Churche of Christe dyd vse to mynistre Theucariste to infantes The euchariste gyuen to infantes Thys was an olde and auncient tradiciō of the church And notwythstandyng that our aduersaries haue omitted the same as they do diuerse other suche lyke yet are not we so captiouse or so vncharitable eyther to condempne them for thys omission or to enforce that they shulde receiue the same tradicions againe Wherfore by right and equitie they ought to graūt that the churche of Englande accordyng to the lyberties of the same in the dayes of the moste noble and excellet princes Henry the .viii. and Edward the vi by cōmon consent of al the states of the realme and their supremest authorite in earthe vnder Christe myght omitte or chaunge tradiciōs in religion as it dyd altho the same were auncient and mencioned in olde wryters as longe as it dyd cōstitute or ordeyne nothyng against goddes wrytten worde Wherupon I may also iustly conclude that those our aduersaries whiche do nowe condemne the hole churche of Englande that was in the dayes of thafornamed kynges for omittyng or alteryng of tradiciōs that they wet false dissemblyng and pariured traitores against theyr moste naturall kynges and countreye malicious ypocrites against the true catholyke churche of Englād For what thing as touchyng the cōmen order for religion haue God cōmaunded by hys wrytten worde to be done that was then omitted except thonly vse of Christes true discipline whyche in dede was then resisted by some that haue ben and are by the iuste iugement of God compelled to submitte their neckes vnto the heuie burden and greuous yoke of Antechristes vicare a wretched
vile shauelyng Or els what thynge hathe goddes wrytten worde prohibite forbydden that was then cōmaūded to be done and practised I meane styl of the cōmon order for religiō Yf you can agayne saye any of these do in some particular matter and by goddes helpe you shal be answered But yf you can not truely deny but that Goddes voice and worde was so reuerently heard whē the churche of Englande was the true catholyke churche of Christ in reforming the cōmon order of religion that al thynges were approued and vsed except discipline that it cōmaūdeth and all thinges refrayned that it forbiddeth then muste I also conclude that the Church of England in the dayes of thaforenamed kinges was the true catholyke churche of Christ For the truthe sayeth he that is of God heareth goddes worde Ioh. 8. Ioh. 10. And agayne he sayeth my shepe heare my voice but the churche of Englande in the dayes of the sayde kynges dyd heare the worde of God and the voice of Christ Therfore the churche of Englande was then the true catholike Church of Christe Can you for shame you chyldren of the deuel and enemyes to all ryghtfulnes whych cease not to peruerte the strayght wayes of the Lorde Act. 13. denye any part of this argument Are you not dryuen for wante of the truthe to buylde agayne youre newe Babilon wyth shamefull lyes manyfest falshode and moste barbarous and cruel tyranny But paraduenture you wyll saye that in the dayes of kynge Edwarde we dyd not myngle water wyth the wyne in the Lordes Supper What then Dyd Christe in the instituciō of the same gyue either example or cōmaundement to mingle water wyth the wyne Dyd he not calle that whyche hys Apostles had dronke out of the cuppe math 26 mar 14. the frute of the vyne tree Is wyne alone the frute of the vynetre or wyne water mingled together But you saye that tholde wryters as S. Cipriane and other do make mencion of the myngled cuppe wyth wyne and water Dothe not the same Cipriane S. Aug. also with other teache more earnestly that infantes can not be saued wythout receyuyng theuchariste and for the same purpose allege Christes wordes excepte ye eate the fleshe of the sonne of man drynke hys blood ye haue no lyfe in you Therfore lykewyse as ye leauynge in thys pointe Joh. 6. dyuerse other both Cipriane Aug. and all the hole catholyke churche of theyr tyme do yet thynke that neuertheles you are Christes churche And so wolde I also iuge of you and accepte you yf you gaue not many horrible and manyfest occasiōs to be rather wor thely counted the synagoges of Satan euen so do we moste iustely and truly beleue that the churche of Englande in the dayes of the sayd kynges was Christes true catholyke churche notwythstandynge it dyd not accordyng to the lybertie of the same myngle water wyth wyne not mythstandynge it dyd not annoynte infantes and ministres of the worde wyth oyle or omitted any suche lyke tradicion or ceremonye altho the same were mēcioned in the olde wryters For asmuche as it dyd neither obserue nor cōmaūde any thynge that is forbydden nor yet omytte or forbydde any thynge that is cōmaunded by the wrytten worde of God whyche alone is sufficiēt to gouerne the same true catholyke churche of Christ in al matters of religion 2. tim 3 necessary for saluacion But I appeale vnto thyne owne conscience gentle reader whether our aduersaries go not beyōde this lawfull lybertie The lybertie of the churche whyche consysteth in the alteracion or cuttynge of of suche tradicions as be eyther superfluous or supersticious accordyng as diuersite of tymes shall requyre For they vsynge a moste licentious and leude lybertie disanull goddes cōmaūdemētes to maintaine their owne tradicions and inuencions For they bothe do themselues Mat. 15 and also compell other to do that which God forbyddeth forbyd the whyche God by hys written worde cōmaun deth The true doctrine of the gospel touchynge remission of synnes eleccion vocation and iustificacion thef do corcupte wyth the leuen of their owne doctrine as I doubte not but that thou wylt manyfestly perceyue by reading of these bokes of S. Aug. Our sauiour Christ by expresse wordes cōmaunded all hys to drynke of his holy cuppe mat 26. but they by expresse wordes forbyd all excepte their annointed shauelynges syngynge or sayeng theyr masse to drynke of the cuppe Saint Marke by the spirite forseynge thys theyr cursed sacrilege dothe testefye mar 14. that they al drāke of the cuppe Dare they yet trifle which these scriptures as they were wont to do and to saye that all that were with Christ at hys last supper were prestes and that therfore they all dranke of hys cuppe I wyll not cōtende about wordes so that they vnderstande by prestes ministers of the newe testament but I pray you dyd any of them synge or say masse at Christes Supper that they might therby be admitted to drynke of his holy cuppe For they teache that none may drynke of the Lordes cup but priestes doynge masse and therfore on maundaye thursdaye when they haue but one masse they vse in great churches to minister to theyr priestes and all but onely the one kynde of breade Further yf Christe as they saye dyd at his laste supper gyue the Sacramentes of hys body and bloode onely to prestes howe dare they gyue any parte of them to any laye man By what authorite do they then gyue the one parte to women For I suppose the they wyll not confesse that either laye men or women be prestes But I praye you what can you saye you cōmytters of sacrilege to S. Paule whyche wrytynge to the hole churche of the Corinthians 1. Cor. 10 11. cōmaunde as well the lordes Cuppe as the breade to be gyuē to al and not only to the ministers Are not you the selfe same whome Christ noted whē he sayd you breake the cōmaūdementes of God thorowe your owne tradicions math 15. Who gaue you lybertie to mumble in a straunge tonge vnto the people whiche is not onely agaynst the wryttē worde of God 1. Cor. 14 but also against common sence and reason The written worde sayeth that yf I praye wyth tonges my spirite or breath prayeth but my mynde is without frute The written worde sayeth yf thou blessest wyth the spirite that he whiche occupyeth the romthe of the vnlearned can not say Amen at the gyuyng of thankes seyng he vnderstādeth not what thou sayest The written worde sayeth that it were better in the congregacion to speake fyue wordes wyth the mynde to thinformacion of other then ten thousand wordes wyth the tonge The writtē worde cōmaundeth all thynges to be done to edefyeng But you cōpell your prestes to praye wyth the spirit or breath to gyue thākes in a straūge tonge to speake nothynge to thin formacion and edefyeng of other And the people you compell to saye Amen