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A29086	The victory of truth for the peace of the Church to the king of Great Britain to invite him to embrace the Roman-Catholick faith / by Monsieur de la Militiere, counsellour in ordinary to the King of France ; with an answer thereunto, written by the right reverend John Bramhall, D.D. and Lord Bishop of London-Derry.	La Milletière, Théophile Brachet, sieur de, ca. 1596-1665.; Bramhall, John, 1594-1663.	1653 (1653)	Wing B4097A; ESTC R34379	76,867	210

grace the Kingdome of Jesus Christ. To these prayers which all the Angels and Saints which are in the Church in Heaven and in Earth make to God for your Majestie I joyn Sir my vows and supplications with this testimony of my devotion to your most humble service in a Subject which I have esteemed the most important and most worthy to gain me the honour of the good favour of your Majestie and that to stile my self SIR Of your Majestie the most humble most faithfull and most obedient Servant La Militiere AN ANSWER TO Monsieur de la Militiere his Impertinent Dedication of his Imaginary Triumph To the KING of Great Britain to invite him to embrace the Roman Catholick Religion By John Bramhall D. D. and Lord Bishop of Derry HAGUE Printed in the Year 1653. An Answer to Monseiur de la Militiere his Fpistle to the King of Great-Brittain wherein he inviteth His Majesty to forsake the Church of England and to embrace the Roman Chatholick Religion SIR YOU might long have disputed your Question of Transubstantiation with your learned Adversary and proclamed your own Triumph on a silver Trumpet to the World before any Member of the Church of England had interposed in this present exigence of our Affairs I know no necessity that Christians must be like Cocks that when one Crows all the rest must crow for company Monseiur Aubertine will not want a surviving friend to teach you what it is to teach you what it is to sound a Triumph before you have gain'd the Victory He was no fool that desired no other Epitaph on his Tomb than this Here lies the Author of this sentence Prurigo disput andi scabies Ecclesiae the itch of disputing is the scab of the Church Having viewed all your strength with a single eye I find not one of your Arguments that comes home to Transubstantiation but only to a true Real Presence which no genuine Son of the Church of England did ever deny no nor your Adversary himself Christ sayd This is my Body what he sayd we do stedfastly believe he said not after this or that manner neque con neque suh neque trans And therefore we place it among the Opinions of the Schools not among the Articles of our Faith The holy Eucharist which is the Sacrament of Peace and Unity ought not to be made the matter of strife and Contention There wanted not abuses in the Administration of this Sacrament in the most pure and primitive times as Prophaness and Uncharitableness among the Corinthians The Simonians and Menandrians and some other such Imps of Sathan unworthy the name of Christians did wholly forbear the use of the Eucharist but it was not for any difference about the sacrament it self but about the Naturall Body of Christ They held that his Flesh and Blood and Passion were not true and real but imaginary and phant astical things The Maniches did forbear the Cup but it was not for any difference about the sacrament it self They made two Gods a good God whom they called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or Light and an evill God whom they tearmed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or Darknes which evill God they sayd did make someCreatures of the Dreg or more feculent parts of the Matter which were evil and impure and among these Evil Creatu●…es they esteemed VVine which they called the Gaul of the Dragon For this cause not upon any other scruple they wholly abstained from the Cup or used water in the place of wine which Epiphanius recordeth among the Errors of the Ebionites and Tacians And St Augustine of the Aquarians Still we do not find any clashing either in word or writing directly about this sacrament in the universall Church of Christ much less about the presence of Christ in the sacrament Neque ullus veterum disputat contra hunc errorem primis sexcentis Annis The first that are supposed by Bellarmine to have broached any Error in the Church about the Real presence were the Ichonomachi after 700 years Primi qui veritatem corporis Domini in Eucharistia in quaestionem vocarunt fuerint Ichonomachi post Annum Domini 700. only because they called the Bread and Wine the Image of Christs body This is as great a mistake as the former Their difference was meerly about Images not at all about the Eucharist so much Vasques confesseth that In his judgment they art not to be numbred with those who deny the presence of Christ in the Eucharist We may well find different observations in those daies as one Church consecrating leavened Bread another unleavened One Church making use of pure wine another of wine mixed with water One Church admitting Infants to the Communion another not admitting them but without Controversies or Censures or Animosity one against the other we find no Debates or Disputes concerning the presence of Christs Body in the Sacrament and much less concerning the manner of his presence for the first 800 years Yet all the time we find as different expressions among those Primitive Fathers as among our modern writers at this day some calling the Sacrament the sign of Christs Body the figure of his Body the Symbol of his Body the mystery of his Body the exemplar type and representation of his Body saying that the Elements do not recede from their first Nature Others naming it the true Body and Blood of Christ changed not in shape but in nature yea doubting not to say that in this Sacrament we see Christ we touch Christ we eat Christ that we fasten our teeth in his very Flesh and make our Tongues red in his Blood Yet notwithstanding there were no Questions no Quarrells no Contentions amongst them there needed no Councils to order them no Conferences to reconcile them because they contented themselves to believe what Christ had said this is my Body without presuming on their own heads to determine the manner how it is his Body neither weighing all their own words so exactly before any controversie was raised nor expounding the sayings of other men contrary to the Analogy of Faith The first doubt about the presence of Christs Body in the Sacrament seems to have been mooved not long before the year 900. in the dayes of Bertram and Paschasius but the Controversie was not well formed nor this new Article of Transubstantiation sufficiently concocted in the dayes of Berengarius after the year 1050. as appeareth by the grosse mistaking and mistating of the Question on both sides First Berengarius if we may trust his Adversaries knew no mean between a naked Figure or empty sign of Christs presence and a Corporeal or Local presence and afterwards fell into another extreme of impanation on the other side the Pope and the Councill made no differrence between Consubstantiation and Transubstantiation they understood nothing of the spiritual or indivisible being of the Flesh and Blood of Christ in the

give others leave to ●…tile them the Heads of the Church within their Dominions But no man can be so simple as to conceive that they ●…ntended a spiritual headship to infuse ●…he life and motion of grace into the ●…earts of the faithful such an head is Christ alone No nor yet an Ecclesia●…ical headship We did never believe ●…hat our Kings in their own persons ●…ould exercise any act pertaining either ●…o the power of Order or Juri●…ction Nothing can give that to another which it hath not it self They meant one●…y a Civil or Political Head as Saul is called the Head of the Tribes of Israel to see that pub●…ick peace be pres●…rved to see that all Subjects as well Ecc●…esiastiques as others do their duties in their several places to see that all things be managed for that great and Architectonical end that is the weal and benefit of the whole body politique both for soul and body If you will not trust me Hear our Church it self When we attribute the Sovereign Government of the Church to the King we do not give him any power ●…o administer the W●…rd or Sacraments but onely that Prerogative which God in hol●… Scripture hath alwaies allowed to Godly Princes to see that all States and Orders of their Sub●…ects Ecclesiastical and Civil do their duties and to punish those who are delinquent with the civil Sword Here is no power ascribed no punishment inflicted but meerly political and this is approved and justisied by S. Clara both by reason and by the examples of the Parliament of Paris Yet by vertue of this Political power he is the Keeper of both Tables the preserver of true Piety towards God as we●…l as right Justice towards men And is obliged to take care of the souls as well as the skins and carkasses of his Subjects This power though not this name the Christian Emperours of old assumed unto themselves to Convocate Synods to preside in Synods to confirm Synods to establish Ecclesiastical Lawes to receive Appeals to nominate Bishops to eject Bishops to suppress Heresies to compose Ecclesiastical differences in Councils out of Councils by themselves by their delegates All which is as clear in the Historie of the Church as if it were written with a beam of the Sun This power though not this name the Antient Kings of Engla●…d ever exercised not onely before the Reformation but before the Norman Conquest as appears by the Acts of their great Councils by their Statutes and Articles of the Clergy by so many Lawes of provision against the Bishop of Romes conferring Ecclesiastical dignities and benefices upon Foreiners by so many sharp oppositions against the exactions and usurpations of the Court of Rome by so many Lawes concerning the Patronage of Bishopricks and Investitures of Bishops by so many examples of Church-men punished by the Civil Magistrate Of all which Jewels the Roman Court had undoubted●…y robbed the Crown if the Peers and Prelates of the Kingdome had not come into ●…he rescue By the Antient Lawes of England it is death or at lest a forfeiture of all his goods for any man to publish the Popes Bull without the Kings Licence The Popes Legate without the Kings leave could not enter into the Realm If an Ordinary did refuse to accept a resignation the King might supply his defect If any Ecclesiastical Court did exceed the bounds of its just power either in the nature of the cause or manner of proceeding the Kings Prohibition had place So in effect the Kings of England were alwaies the Political heads of the Church within their own Dominions So the Kings of France are at this day But who told you that ever King Charles did call himself the Head of the Church thereby to merit such an heavy Judgement He did not nor yet King James his Father nor Queen Elizabeth before them both who took Order in her first Parliament to have it lest out ●…f her Title They thought that name did sound ill and that it intrenched too far upon the right of their Saviour Therefore they declined it and were called onely Supreme Governours in all Causes over all persons Ecclesiastical and Civil which is a Title de jure inseparable from the Crown of all Sovereign Princes Where it is wanting de facto if any place be so unhappy to want it the King is but half a King and the Commonwealth a Serpent with two Heads Thus you see you are doubly and both wa●…es miserably mistaken First King Charles did never stile himself Head of the Church nor could with patience endure to hear that Title Secondly a Political Headship is not injurious to the Unity or Authority of the Church The Kings of Is●…ael and Judah the Christian Emperours the Eng●…ish Kings before the Reformation yea even before the Conquest and other Sovereign Princes of the Roman Communion have owned it signa●…ly But it seems you have been to●…d or have read this in the virulent writings of Sand●…rs or Parsons or have heard of a ludicrous scoffing proposition of a M●…rriage between the two Heads of the two Churches Six●…us Quintus and Queen Elizabeth for the re-uniting forsooth of Christendome All the satisfaction I sh●…uld enjoyn you is to perswade the Bishop of R●…me if Gregory the Great were living you could not fail of speeding to imitate the piety and humility of our Princes that is to content himself with his Patriarchical dignity and primacy of Order Princip●…m unit at is and to quit that much more presumptuous and if a Popes word may pass for current Antichristian term of the Head of the Catholick Church If the Pope be the Head of the Catholique Church then the Catholique Church is the Popes Body which would be but an harsh expression to Christian ears then the Catholick Church should have no Head when there is no Pope two or three Heads when there are two or three Popes an unsound Head when there is an heretical Pope a broken Head when the Pope is censured or deposed and no Head when the See is vacant If the Church must have one Universal Visible Ecclesiastical Head a general Council may best pretend to that Title Neither are you more successful in your other Reason why the Parliament persecuted the King Because he maintained Episcopacy both out of Conscience and Interest which they sought to abolish For though it be easily admitted that some seditious and heterodox persons had an evil eye both against Monarchy and Episcopacy from the very beginning of these troubles either out of a fiery zeal or vain affectation of Novelty like those who having the green-sickness prefer chalk and meal in a corner before wholsome meat at their Fathers table or out of a greedy and covetous desire of gathering some sticks for themselves upon the fall of those great Okes yet certainly they who were the contrivers and principal actors in this business did more malign

Episcopacy for Monarchies sake than Monarchy for Episcopacies What end had the Nuncio's Faction in Ireland against Episcopacy whose mutinous courses apparently lost that Kingdome When the Kings consent to the Abolition of Episcopacy in Scotland was extorted from him by the Presbyterian faction which probably the prime Authors do rue sufficiently by this time were those Presbyterian Scots any thing more favourable to Monarchy To come to England the chief Scene of this bloody Tragedy If that party in Parliament had at first proposed any such thing as the Ab●…ition either of Monarchy or Episcopacy undoubtedly they had ruined their whole design untill daily tumults and uncontrollable uproars had chased away the greater and sounder part of both Houses Their first Protestation was solemnly made to God both for King and Church as they were by Law established Would you know then what it was that Conjur'd up the storm among us It was some feigned jealousies and fears which the first broachers themselves knew well enough to be fables dispersed cunningly among the People That the King purposed to subvert the Fundamental Lawes of the Kingdome and to reduce the free English Subject to a condition of absolute slavery under an Arbitrary Government For which massy weight of malitious untruth they had no supporters but a few Bull-rushes Secondly that he meant to apostate from the Protestant Religion to Popery and to that end had raised the Irish Rebellion by secret encouragements and Commissions For which monstrous calumny they had no other foundation except the solemn Religious Order of Divine Service in his own Chapel and Cathedral Churches than some unseasonable disputes about an Altar or a Table and the permission of the Popes Agent to make a short stay in England more for reason of State than of R●…ligion And some sensless fictions of some Irish Rebels who having a Patent under the Great Seal of Ireland for their Lands to colour their barbarous murthers shewed it to the poor simple people as a Commission from the King to leavy Forces And lastly some impious pious frauds of some of your own party whose private whispers and printed insinuations did give hopes that the Church of England was coming about to shake hands with the Roman in the points controverted Which was meerly devised to gull some silly Creatures whom they found apt to be catched with chaff for which they had no more pretext of truth than you have for your groundless intimations in this unwelcome dedication These suspitions being compounded with Covetousness Ambition Envy Emulation desire of Revenge and discontent were the sourse of all our Calamities Thus much you your self confess in ●…ffect that this supposition that the King and Bishops had an intention to re-establish the Roman Catholique Religion was the venome which the Puritan Faction insused into the hearts of the people to fill them with hatred against a King worthy of love And the Parliament judged it a favourable occasion for their design to advance themselves to Sovereign Authority Be Judge your self how much they are accessary to our sufferings who either were or are the Authors or fomenters of these damnable slanders There was yet one cause more of this cruel persecution which I cannot conceal from you because it concerns some of your old acquaintance There was a Bishop in the world losers must have leave to talk whose privy Purse and subtil Counsels did help to kindle that unnatural war in his Majesties three Kingdomes Our Cardinal Wolsey complained before his death That he had served his King better than his God But certainly this practise in your friend was neither Good service to his God to be the author of the effusion of so much innocent blood nor yet to his King to let the world see such a dangerous president It is high time for a man to look to himself when his next neighbours house is all on a flame As hitherto I have followed your steps though not altogether in your own method or rather your own confusion So I shall observe the same course for the future Your discourse is so full of Meanders and windings turnings and returnings you congregate He●…erogeneous matter and segregate that which is Homogeneous as if you had made your Dedication by starts and snatches and never digested your who'●… discourse On the contrary where I meet with any thing it shall be my desire to dispach it out of my hands with whatsoever pertains unto it once for all I hope you expect not that I shou'd amuse my self at your Rheto●…cal flowers and elegant expressions they agree well enough with the work you were about The Pipe plays sweetly whilst the Fowler is catching his prey Trappings are not to be condemned if the things themselves are good and useful but I prefer one Pomegranat-Tree loaden with good fruit before a whole row of Cypresses that serve onely for shew Be sure of this that where any thing in your Epistle reflects upon the Church of England I shall not miss it first or last though it be but a loose unjoynted pe●…ce and so perhaps hitherto untouched Amongst other things which you lay to our charge you glance at the least twelve times at our supposed Schism But from first to last never attempt to prove it as if you took it for granted I have shaped a Coat for a Schismatick and had presented it to you in this Answer but considering that the matter is of moment and merits as much to be seriously and solidly weighed as your naked Crimination without all pretext of proof deserves to be sleighted lest it might seem here as an impertinent digression to take up too much place in this short Discourse I have added it at the Conclusion of this Answer in a short Tract by it self that you may peruse it if you please You fall heavily in this Discourse upon the Presbyterians Brownists and Independents if they intend to return you any answer they may send it by a messenger of their own As for my part I am not their Proctor I have received no Fee from them And if I should undertake to plead their Cause upon my own head by our old English Law you might call me to an accompt for unlawful maintenance Onely give me leave as a by-stander to wonder why you are so cholerique against them for certainly they have done you more service in England than ever you could have done for your selves And I wonder no less why you call our Reformation a Calvinistical Reformation brought into England by Bucer and Peter Martyr a blind Reformation yea the intire ruin of the Faith of the very form of the Church and of the civil Government of the Common-wealth instituted by God Though you confess again in our favour that if our first Reformers had been interrogated whether they meant any such thing they would have purged themselves and avouched their Innocence with their hands upon the new Gospel The

Euch. c. 29. quodam modo ●…q p. 3. 1. 76. A●…t 7. Deut. 29. 29. Durand Against multiplying of questions and Controversies The occasion of this Discourse P. 37. The Authors indiscretion To no pur pose The King is already a better Catholick than himself Discursus modestus Jesuitar●… p. 13. Watsons quodlib l. 2. Art 4. Par. 2. Act. 6. c. 7. Not lawful to add to the old Creed Concil Flo. Sess. 10. prof fil in bulla pii quarti What are additions to the Creed and what are onely explications Aq. 2. 2. q. 1. Art 10. Gal. 1. 〈◊〉 P. 4. Crosses ar●… not alwaie●… punishments bu●… sometimes corrections or trials Which the Author presently forgets P. 〈◊〉 P. 14. Joh. 9. 2. Better grounds of his Majesties sufferings than those of the Author Ps. 128. 3. The Authors rash censure upon the Archbishop of Cant. Sovereigns may be taken away for the sin●… of their Subjects Pro. 28. 2. Not above two or three of our Princes called Heads of the Church That is onely political heads 1 Sam. 15. 17. Art 37. Expos. Paraph●… art Conf. Ang. A●…t 37. The Chr●…stian Emperours political heads The old Kings of England political heads See Au●…horities for all these in Cawdries Case in Judge Cook his Reports Ne●…ther K. Charles K. James nor Q. Elizabeth stiled heads of the Church The Auth●… 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Pope to leave that vain Title Hatred of Episc●…pacy not ●…he true ●…ause ●…hy ●…he 〈◊〉 persecu●…d th●… King The true causes of the troubles in England P. 11. We are onely accused of Schism Presbyterians and Brownists have been Romes bst friends P. 16. P. 19. P. 14. P. 17. L. Cant. 1643. C. I. The English Reformation not Calvinistic●… P. 9. P. 10. M. Th●… Sq. P. 19. Reforma●…n is some●…imes necessary Reformation not agreeable to all persons especially the Court of Rome There is danger in Reformation The right rule of Reformation Our Reformation not the ruin of Faith Church or Common-wealth Our 〈◊〉 supposed Maxim The Catholick Church cannot come to ruin or b●… guilty o●… Idolatry or Tyranny Chrys. ●…holick ●…nd Roman not Convertibles Rev. 2. 5. The Roman Church it self not absolutely faln to ruin Whether the Roman Church be guilty of Idolatry The Roman Court most Tyrannical Our second sup●…osed Maxim P. 21. P. 26. Much mistaken The Scripture 〈◊〉 rule of supernatural truths L. 4. de verbo Dei cap. 11. Who are the proper expounders of Scripture and how far 1 Thes. 5. 21. The manner of expounding Scripture This is conformable to the doctrine and practice of our Church Can. 1603. Can. 49. Se●… the P●…eface to the Bishops Bible Can. 34. Can. 1571. tit Concionatores Can. 1631. Can. 53. Art 20. Can. 1603. Can. 139. The English Church an enemy to upstart not to Apostolical traditions P. 24. Of the Sacrifice of the Mass. Heb. 10. 14 In the Collects for these Feasts Of Transubstantiation Of 7. Sacraments Anno 1439 1528 1547. Jam. 5. 14. Of Justification Rom. 8. 33. Of Merits 1 Tim. 4. 8 Disert Eecles lib. 2. c. 4. Of Invocation of Saints S. Clara ●…robl 37. ●…x Horantio Rev. 22. 9. Of Prayer for the Dead with Purgatory Tar●… The Authority of the Pope P. 27. Whether humane Laws bind the Conscience P. 34. 69. The Author a little Enthusiastical The Romanists r●…quire submission to their Church as necessary to salvation Yet cannot agree an●…ong themselves what this Roman Church is The English Chu●…ch not perished Gen. 42. 13. P. 42. The Authors vain Dreams P. 43. 44. P. 47. c. His vainer Proposition of a cons●…quence The King of England desires no such Conference If he should he had neither Reason nor need to desert his English Clergy Such a Conference not ●…t to be granted by ●…he King of France Nor to be accepted by the Min sters of the Reformed Church Nor could any such Success be expected from it The ' Authors importinence and saucinese with the King His Pen over run●… his Wit His improper choise of a Pation for his Treatise Serm. S●…xon in 〈◊〉 Paschat P. 62. P. 222. His un●…kilfulnes or his unfortunate●…ess in his Demonstrations The great advantage of the Protestant above the Roman Catholick in the choice of his foundation P. 68. His Majesties Apostacy is not the way to his restitution 1 〈◊〉 1. 7. P. 70. The obligation of the Scots to his Maj●…sty the greatest of any Subjects in the known world Their Treachery The loyal Scots excepted The disloyal Sco●…s deciphered No hope from that party until they ●…epent P. 73. God must not be limited to time or means of deliverance P. 74. 75. His Majesties escape ou●… of England almost miraculous And seems to presage that God hath something to do with him P. 76. Prayers and tears the 〈◊〉 A●…ms of women Especially of Mothers Yet not so powerful as his Fathers intercession now in Heaven P. 77. The Authors instance of Henry the great not pertinent Plu●…rch P. 77. 78. The just commendation of K. Charls It is gross imp●…dence to feign that he dyed a Roman Catholick The Authors confession confutes his demonstration that Protestants have no faith His intelligence as good in Heaven 〈◊〉 upon Earth Aug. de ●…ra pro mort●…s c. 15. No faith sufficient armour against bloody attempts The Author much fall'n from his former charity in seeking the reunion of Christendome P. 204. The way to a gener●…l Accommodation