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A30974 Discourse of the peerage & jurisdiction of the Lords spirituall in Parliament proving from the fundamental laws of the land, the testimony of the most renowned authors, and the practice of all ages : that have no right in claiming any jurisdiction in capital matters. Barlow, Thomas, 1607-1691. 1679 (1679) Wing B829; ESTC R4830 45,447 34

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therefore_o no_o clerk_n can_v be_v deprive_v till_o he_o be_v deliver_v by_o the_o temporal_a judge_n and_o i_o have_v already_o prove_v that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o delivery_n till_o after_o conviction_n so_o that_o it_o do_v necessary_o follow_v that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o deprivation_n till_o after_o conviction_n and_o for_o further_a confirmation_n see_v ridley_n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la bracton_n lib._n 3._o fol._n 123._o clericus_fw-la ordinario_fw-la traditus_fw-la si_fw-la in_o purgatione_fw-la defecerit_fw-la degradari_fw-la debet_fw-la fle●●_n lib._n 6._o c._n 36._o degradare_fw-la potest_fw-la episcopus_fw-la criminum_fw-la convictos_fw-la whereby_o it_o appear_v first_o that_o before_o degradation_n they_o must_v be_v allow_v the_o benefit_n of_o make_v their_o purgation_n if_o they_o can_v and_o that_o they_o have_v not_o except_o they_o be_v present_a when_o they_o be_v condemn_v 2_o that_o they_o must_v be_v traditi_fw-la or_o convicti_fw-la before_o deprivation_n 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laicus_fw-la etc._n etc._n i_o conceive_v he_o may_v well_o be_v refuse_v or_o else_o to_o what_o purpose_n issue_v forth_o the_o congee_n d'esly_o what_o signify_v king_n john_n make_v they_o eligible_a and_o therefore_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n and_o law_n of_o degradation_n or_o deprivation_n after_o actual_a investiture_n that_o there_o be_v of_o refusal_n before_o i_o infer_v there_o can_v be_v no_o deprivation_n of_o a_o bishop_n without_o cause_n and_o that_o cause_n can_v be_v adjudge_v to_o be_v in_o he_o before_o he_o be_v hear_v and_o have_v the_o justice_n to_o defend_v himself_o as_o well_o as_o he_o can_v allow_v he_o and_o consequent_o no_o deprivation_n till_o after_o delivery_n out_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o secular_a power_n which_o be_v in_o no_o case_n till_o after_o conviction_n these_o particular_n explain_v and_o prove_v will_v satisfy_v all_o those_o who_o sentiment_n be_v regulate_v according_a to_o the_o standard_n of_o reason_n that_o there_o be_v no_o strength_n in_o any_o of_o those_o objection_n which_o some_o ignorant_a people_n do_v so_o much_o insist_v upon_o have_v thus_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o law_n the_o authority_n of_o the_o most_o renown_a author_n and_o variety_n of_o precedent_n prove_v that_o a_o bishop_n be_v no_o peer_n in_o respect_n to_o a_o temporal_a lord_n within_o the_o intent_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o 29_o of_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la it_o do_v natural_o follow_v that_o he_o have_v no_o right_a to_o claim_v any_o jurisdiction_n or_o right_n of_o judicature_n upon_o the_o life_n and_o death_n of_o a_o temporal_a lord_n for_o otherwise_o he_o may_v suffer_v death_n or_o banishment_n or_o imprisonment_n by_o the_o judgement_n of_o those_o who_o be_v not_o his_o peer_n contrary_a to_o the_o fundamental_a law_n of_o england_n and_o the_o liberty_n of_o every_o subject_a and_o thus_o i_o conclude_v the_o first_o point_n the_o second_o point_n that_o i_o offer_v to_o demonstrate_v be_v that_o the_o bishop_n voting_n in_o capital_a case_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o practice_n of_o all_o age_n until_o this_o day_n in_o the_o first_o place_n let_v we_o examine_v how_o it_o be_v before_o the_o reign_n of_o henry_n the_o second_o it_o must_v not_o be_v expect_v that_o this_o shall_v be_v prove_v from_o the_o record_n and_o journal_o upon_o the_o parliament_n roll_n for_o their_o antiquity_n will_v not_o reach_v so_o high_a as_o to_o do_v any_o considerable_a service_n in_o this_o matter_n but_o i_o shall_v give_v the_o same_o proof_n for_o this_o that_o any_o man_n can_v give_v for_o trial_n by_o jury_n before_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la that_o be_v a_o act_n of_o parliament_n make_v recognition_n of_o several_a ancient_a custom_n practise_v beyond_o the_o memory_n of_o those_o that_o then_o live_v and_o that_o i_o hope_v will_v be_v sufficient_a evidence_n the_o statute_n that_o i_o mean_v be_v make_v at_o that_o great_a parliament_n which_o be_v hold_v at_o clarendon_n the_o 10_o &_o 11_o of_o h._n 2._o anno_fw