November 6th 1640. THe House of Commons having in the first place according to ancient Custom setled all their Grand Committees for Religion Grievances Courts of Justice Trade and Priviledges It was moved That in regard the Complaints of the Kings Subjects in Ireland were many who had undergone great Oppressions in that Kingdom by Male-Government there and come to this Parliament for Relief might be referred to a Committee of the whole House for that purpose only to be appointed This motion being made by Mr. Pym and seconded by Sir Iohn Clotworthy avowing many particulars of the Complaints mentioned to be true it made a Discovery to such as were well-wishers to Thomas Lord Wentworth Earl of Strafford and Lord Lieutenant of Ireland that this Motion was intended by a side-wind to accumulate Complaints against him the said Lord Lieutenant in order to an Accusation so when the question was put after long debate viz. Whether the Irish Affairs should be referred to a Committee of the whole House The House was divided Sir Iohn Clotworthy and Sir Henry Mildmay being of Opinion for the Yeas were appointed Tellers of the number of the Noes and Sir Edward Bainton and Sir Richard Luson being of Opinion not to refer this business of Ireland to a Grand Committee conceiving it without President were appointed Tellers of the number of the Yeas and when they had told all they came up to the Table and made this Report to Mr. Speaker That there were with the Yeas 165 and with the Noes 152 whereupon it was Resolved upon the Question That the Irish Affairs should be referred to a Grand Committee of the whole House to meet to morrow in the Afternoon at Two of the Clock in the House and afterwards every Thursday at the same hour and place And this Committee is Ordered to have the like Power as the other Grand Committees of the whole House have This Vote being carried for a Grand Committee as to Irish Affairs a Cabal of Friends to the Earl of Strafford sent down post unto him into York-shire to acquaint him that they apprehended a Design against him in the making of this Committee and left it to his own Election whether he would stay still on the Head of his Army or come up to the Parliament But if he did incline to come up that he would at his first appearance Impeach some Members of both Houses if he had Evidence for the same of being privy to the bringing the Scotch Army into this Kingdom and told him It was his wisdom to begin first and not to be first Impeached as the Earl of Bristol was by the great Duke of Buckingham The said Earl upon the receipt of this Advertisement suddenly resolved to come up and abide the Test of Parliament But his Friends then with him in the North told him That his frank appearance would make Politâ—ans doubt whether he did thereby assume his Judgment and wonted Prudence to go thus from his Army to the Parliament where his Wisdom could not but know that the Scots and Scotizing-English had resolved his destruction and therefore said they unto him It were better to keep under the safe-guard of the English Army at his Command from which he had acquired some affection or retire to the Army in Ireland then being also at his Devotion or take Sanctuary in some Forreign Parts till fair weather might invite him home neither said they would Discretion Vote it a betraying of his Innocency to decline a Trial whereby the means of Factions raised in England and Scotland by his malicious Prosecutors and backed with Power his Innocency could not protect him They further told him that if Sentence should pass against him for Non-appearance yet he had kept his freedom till better times when he might have occasion to do His Master better Service abroad than in Council at White-hall But the said Earl conceiving he had got good Evidence in the North that the Scots came in by Invitation and Confederacy between the Heads of the Covenanters and some of the English Members of both Houses and having digested such his Intelligence almost into the form of an Impeachment he posted up with the same intending to present it to the House of Peers as soon as he arrived there But on Wednesday Nov. 11th the House of Commons being acquainted by a Member that there was a business of great weight to be imparted desired the House that the Lobby without might be first cleared and the Key of the House brought up to the Table which was done accordingly and as the House had entred into debate about the Earl of Strafford there came a Message from the Lords by the Lord Chief Justice Bramstom and Judge Foster That the King had commanded the Lords Commissioners who were appointed to Treat with the Scots Commissioners at Rippon to give an Account to both Houses of Parliament of that which passed there and at York and thereupon the Lords desire there may be a meeting by a Committee of both Houses this Afternoon in the Painted-Chamber at Three of the Clock if the occasions of this House will give leave At this time many Members of the House conceived this Message was now sent to get Intelligence what private debate was in hand The House of Commons returned this Answer by the same Messengers That at this time they were in Agitation of very Weighty and Important Affairs and therefore they do doubt they shall not be ready to give them a meeting this Afternoon as the Lords desire but as soon as they may they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own After the Messengers were withdrawn the House proceeded in the Debate they were in before and appointed a Committee to prepare matter upon the said Debate for a Conference with the Lords concerning the 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 and named seven Members viz. Mr. Pym Mr. Stroud Mr. St. Iohn Lord Digby Sir Iohn Clotworthy Sir Walter Earle and Mr. Hampden Which select Committee retired immediately into the Committee-Chamber to prepare Matter of a Conference to be prayed with the Lords and a Charge against the Earl of Strafford The said Committee presently returned to the House and reported the Matter to them referred Whereupon it was Resolved upon the Question That a Message be sent from this House to the Lords in the Name of this House and of all the Commons of England to accuse Thomas Lord Wentworth Earl of Strafford Lord Lieutenant of Ireland of High Treason and to desire that he may be Sequestred from Parliament and be Committed to Prison and that within some convenient time this House will resort to their Lordships with particular Accusations and Articles against him Mr. Pym went up with this Message to the Lords and at his Return made this Report to the House That he had Repaired to the Lords and there in the Name of this House and of all the Commons of England did Accuse the said Earl of Strafford
believes to be true having been formerly so informed by His Majesties Learned Council upon sundry occasions To the Fourth he saith That the legal and ordinary Proceedings at Council-Table are and time out of mind have been by Petition Answers examination of Witnesses as in other Courts of Justice concerning British Plantations the Church and Cases hence recommended by the King for the time being and in Appeals from other Courts there and the Council-Board have always punished Contempts to Orders there made to Proclamations and Acts of State by Fine and Imprisonment He saith That it might be he told the Earl of Cork that he would imprison him if he disobeyed the Orders of the Council-Table and that he would not have Lawyers dispute or question those Orders and that they should bind but remembreth not the Comparison of Acts of Parliament and he hath been so far from scorning the Laws that he hath endeavoured to maintain them the Suit against the Earl in the Castle-Chamber was concerning the Possessions of the Colledge of Youghall worth 6 or 700 l. which he had endeavoured to get by causing of unlawful Oaths to be taken and very undue means the matter proceeded to Examination and Publication of Witnesses and after upon the Earl of Cork's humble Suit and payment of 15000 l. to His Majesty and his acknowledgement of his Misdemeanors obtained a Pardon and the Bill and Proceedings were taken of the Files and he remembers not any Suit for breach of any Order made at Council-Table To the Fifth he saith The Deputies and Generals of the Army have always executed Martial Law which is necessary there and the Army and the Members thereof have been long time Governed by printed Orders according to which divers by Sentence of the Council of War have formerly been put to death as well in the time of Peace as War The Lord Mountnorris being a Captain of a Company in the Army for mutinous words against the said Earl General of that Army and upon two of those ancient Orders was proceeded against by a Council of War being the Principal Officers of the Army about twenty in number and by them upon clear Evidence sentenced to Death wherein the said Earl was no Judge but laboured so effectually with His Majesty that he obtained the Lord Mountnorris's Pardon who by that Sentence suffered no personal hurt or damage save about two days Imprisonment And as to the other Persons he can make no Answer thereunto no particulars being described To the Sixth he saith The Suit had depended many years in Chancery and the Plaintiff Complaining of that delay the said Earl upon a Petition as in such Cases hath been usual calling to him the then Master of the Rolls the now Lord Chancellor and the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas upon the Proofs in the Chancery decreed for the Plantiff to which he refers himself and it may be the Lord Mountnorris was thereupon put out of his Possession To the Seventh he saith His Majesty being Intituled to divers Lands upon an Inquisition found Proclamation was made That such as Claimed by Patent should come in by a day and have their Patents allowed as if they had been found in the Inquisition and accordingly divers were allowed The Lord Dillon produced His Patent which being questionable he consented and desired that a Case might be drawn which was drawn by Counsel and argued and the Judges delivered their Opinions but the Lord Dillon nor any other were bound thereby or put out of Possession but might have traversed the Office or otherwise legally have proceeded that Case or Opinion notwithstanding To the Eighth he saith That upon Sir Iohn Gifford's Petition to the King His Majesty referred it to the Deputy and Council of Ireland where the matter proceeding legally to a Decree against the Lord Loftus and upon his Appeal that Decree by His Majesty and His Council of England was confirmed to which Decree and Order he refers himself believing the Lord Loftus was committed for disobeying that Decree and for continuance in contempt committed close Prisoner He saith That the Lord Loftus having committed divers Contempts the Council by Warrant required him to appear at the Board and to bring the Great Seal with him which Order he disobeyed and was shortly after Committed and the Great Seal was delivered up by His Majesties express Command and not otherwise And an Information was exhibited in the Star-Chamber for grievous Oppressions done by the Lord Loftus as Chancellor whereof he was so far from justifying as that he submitted desiring to be an Object of His Majesties Mercy and not of His Justice The Earl of Kildare for not performing of an Award made by King Iames and of an Award made in pursuance thereof by the said Earl of Strafford upon a Reference from His Majesty was by the Deputy and Council Committed and a Letter being unduly obtained he did not thereupon enlarge him but upon another Letter and submission to the Orders as by the King was directed he was enlarged The Lady Hibbots and one Hoy her Son having upon a Petition Answer Examination of Witnesses and other Proceedings at Council-Board been found to have committed foul abuses by Fraud and Circumvention to have made a Bargain with the Petitioner Hibbots for Lands of a great value for a small sum of Money was Ordered to deliver up the Writing no Assurances being perfected or Money paid and it 's like he threatned her with Commitment if she obeyed not that Order but denieth that the Lands were after sold to Sir Robert Meredith to his use or that by any Order by himself made any one hath been Imprisoned concerning Freeholds but for debts and personal things as some have been used by all his Predecessors in like Causes To the Ninth he saith Warrants to such Effects have been usually granted to the Bishops in Ireland in the times of all former Deputies but the Earl not satisfied with the conveniency thereof refused to give any such Warrants in general to the Bishops as had been formerly done but being informed that divers in the Diocess of Down gave not fitting Obedience he granted a Warrant to that Bishop whereto he referreth which was the only Warrant he granted of that Nature and hearing of some Complaints of the Execution thereof he recalled it To the Tenth he saith The Lord Treasurer Portland offered the Farm of the Customs for 13000 l. per annum in some particular Species but the Earl of Strafford advanced the same Customs to 15500 l. per annum and 8000 l. Fine and by His Majesties Command became a Farmer at those Rates proposed without addition to those Rates as by the printed Books 7 Car. Regis may appear he disswaded the advance of Rates lately proposed by Sir Abraham Dawes so as it was declined the Rates of Hydes and Wooll are moderate consideration being had of their true value and of the Places whereto they are
they must be sworn But that now I answer only to Treason If I were neither privy to the taking out of the Commission nor any way employed in the executing of it I Appeal unto your Lordships and the Gentlemen of the House of Commons Whether I can be charged as Criminal as to this Commssion or any thing that proceeds from it As for the Sentence against Sir Conyers Darcy it was Just and he complained not of it Of which I have a Copy and desire it may be read That from the first Institution of the Court of President and Council at York That Court had both a Star-Chamber and Chancery Power as will appear by all the Instructions before that time That if there be an Errour in a Judge so that he give a Sentence otherwise than a man of better understanding conceives reason for there is no cause it should be heightned to a Treason to take from him his Life and Honour and all he hath meerly because he was not so wise a man as he might have been nor so understanding as another And if this be prest on Judges I think few Judges will serve And for my part I had rather go to my Cottage as the Witness saith then serve on these Terms The Charge lays it to be done in May 8 Car. and divers years following and the Instructions came not in time till the 21st Mar. 8 Car. which I conceive to be a mistaking of the year That as to the Sentence of Sir Iohn Bourcher which is charged upon me but not insisted upon by the Gentleman I was no way acquainted with the beginning proceeding or ending of the Cause being all that while in Ireland so Your Lordships may observe with what uncertainty men may speak that do inform in such Cases That of the Commission the 13th of the King with which I am likewise charged as the Procurer of it I had no more knowledge than of that which was most forreign being at that time in Ireland and the Commission renewed of one of the Council in Fee I shall now descend to Proofs That the Commission 8 Car. was renewed upon Sir Iohn Meltons coming to be Secretary instead of Sir Arthur Ingram The Committee admitted it To the Testimonies given by the Witnesses I observe That Iohn Gore the first Witness speaks nothing to the renewing of the Commission but to his Fathers Commitment and that was in November but what year Non liquet But this is not within my Charge therefore I shall not Answer to that Though if it were in Charge I doubt not but in that and every thing else I shall give an account of an honest and just man not to say of a discreet and a wise man That for the Testimony of Iohn Musgrave it contains nothing within my Charge and I can say nothing to it but by way of Divination And he is but a single Witness And therefore I conceive shall hardly be able to convince any man of High Treason hardly of a Trespass That what Iohn Musgrave speaks of is grounded on a question of the Jurisdiction of Courts and one rule of our Law is Boni judicis est amplicare Iurisdictionem And why the enlarging of a Jurisdiction should be heightned to a Treason I Appeal to Your Lordships Nobleness Justice and Honour to consider for I think there are none in place of Judicature but they will desire to enlarge their Jurisdiction as far as in Reason and Justice they may And it is a chast Ambition if rightly placed to have as much Power as may be That there may be Power to do the more good in the place where a man lives For F. Thorpe's Testimony I observe That I have nothing to say to him of Exception but that he speaks nothing to the purpose nor to any thing in the Charge I being Charged with the Execution of the Commission 8 and 13 of the King and all he speaks of is precedent in time And what he says is by hear-say from Mr. Justice Hutton and Sir William Ellis I do not remember my Lord Gorings speaking to me about Mr. Thorpe it being 12 13 or 14 years ago I have put in my Answer and if that be not Impeached by Testimony of Witnesses as it is not I conceive it ought to be allowed I desire to produce Witnesses wherein I have Liberty but not to examine on Oath And first To the time of my going towards Ireland His Lordships Secretary being interrogated He Answered That his Lordship went from London 8 Iuly 1633. towards Ireland the 9th year of the King Mr. Railton To the time of his Lordships going towards Ireland said That 8 Iuly 1633. My Lord began his Journey into Ireland being the Ninth year of the King The Committee for the Commons admitted that he went over in Iuly 1633. To the time of my Lord of Straffords coming from York Mr. Thomas Little says His Lordship came from York in Ianuary was eight years and returned not to York till 1636. To his Lordships doing any act as President of York since the said New Commission of Octavo Caroli Mr. Thomas Little says That since the date of that Commission his Lordship never sate as President of the North in any Cause whatsoever His Lordship offered to prove his being in Ireland when Sir Iohn Bourcher was censured by the Vice-President and Council But the Commons not pressing his Lordship in that matter he said If it be granted I have done To the Earl of Straffords being in Ireland when the Commission 8 Car. was renewed Mr. Thomas Little Answered being questioned My Lord was in Ireland at that time he went over in 1636. having come over in November before and was not in England again till 1639. And so My Lords I conclude my Defence That I am charged only with procuring and executing the Commission And this Answer I humbly offer and submit Iohn Gore speaks particularly of the occasion of enlarging the Commission upon the Arresting of his Father That my Lord of Strafford fell on his Knees desiring from His Majesty an enlarging of his Power else that he might go home So going out of England in Iuly after the Commission answers to the Procurement that was before That which his Lordship hath answered to F. Thorpe That the things by him complained of were in the time before the Commission may be used as an Argument That he was privy to the Instructions We produce I. Musgrave only to shew my Lords Violence about Prohibitions before this Commission was procured He growing so high a little before That he would lay them by the Heels that brought the Kings Writ The Council were awed that they durst not demand Justice So that the procuring of it suited most with his Design That his Witnesses had little contradicted what the Witnesses for the Commons had said That whereas it is said the Charge is not Treason if the Fact shall appear to their
according to the Power of former Deputies yet not to meddle with Titles of Free-hold except in Cases of Equity but to refer Title of Free-hold to its proper Judicature and not to hear Causes where there is Priority in other Courts unless in case of Appeal for lack of Justice after due Obedience Power likewise the said Rules observed to call before him any person complained of and therein to make such Order and Decree as shall stand with Justice and to cause the same to be put in Execution Dated October 5. 9 Car. He then offered the first Decree in the Cause to be read that had formerly been read having relation to this bearing date May 23. 1636. And the same was read being Signed Wentworth Gerard Lowther c. Whence his Lordship observed That the Order was made for Relief of a poor man where my Lord of Mountnorris had by Violence and extream hard pressure possest himself of Lands worth 200 l. a year never paying out of his Purse above 30 l. the rest arising on a Letter procured for Sawing Mills and by interest at above 20 in the hundred wherein his Lordship had the Assistance of two Reverend and Learned Judges the Chancellor that now is and Sir Gerard Lowther That the Decree is in every part just and equitable and if he had not given relief he had been justly censured That the party is now in Town and means to complain and Sue for 600 l. more than he is yet allowed The Committee declared they insist not on the merit of the Cause as not being material And so my Lord of Strafford observed That he stands justified by the Kings Letter which makes things differ from what they did formerly and shew that the Power was there before and is now restored His Lordship further added that his Practice in exercising Jurisdiction was conformable to that Letter viz. That he medled not with Title of Land triable at Law nor with Causes which had priority of Suit in other Courts That he referred the business of the Provincial Courts to these Courts and many businesses to the Judges of Assize and none determined by him but upon full Hearing and Assistance of the Judges And whereas it is said my Lord Mountnorris was kept in Prison by reason of not Suing out the Pardon on his Sentence pronounced by the Council of War I will make it appear it was for Contempts in refusing to answer a Bill Exhibited against him on the Kings behalf in the Castle-Chamber Mr. Slingsby being asked touching that point Answered That he did constantly wait on my Lord to the Castle-Chamber and there heard the Information of the Kings Attorney against my Lord Mountnorris read and my Lord Mountnorris was called to Answer it several times and was committed to Prison for not Answering it but he cannot precisely speak to the time but he thinks he was left in Prison upon that till my Lords going into England Sir Adam Loftus asked touching the same point did first make his humble Suit that he might not be Examined in any Cause concerning my Lord Mountnorris for some reasons inducing him thereunto Which my Lord of Strafford said was because Sir Adam succeeded my Lord Mountnorris in the place of vice-Vice-Treasurer and being required if that were all to speak notwithstanding He Answered That he conceives he was Committed for not answering the Information but the precise day of his Commitment and the time how long he cannot well remember Being asked whether he was not brought before the Deputy a day or two before he came away and refused to Answer and was thereupon Committed He Answered That it was true Being asked on the Managers motion whether he was not Committed on the old Sentence and remained in Prison on that He Answered That he doth not know If I had time to produce the Orders of the Castle-Chamber I could make it appear when my Lord Mountnorris was Committed and how long he continued so but he was Committed for that Contempt and remained Committed six Months I think before he would Answer which I would not speak if it were not true The Lord Dillon called and asked to the same purpose He Answered That the Judges of the Castle-Chamber are by Commission and that he is not of that Commission That the Deputy or Chief Governour calls by way of Assistance such as he pleases That he heard at Council-Board my Lord Mountnorris was Committed for a Contempt in not answering in the Star-Chamber but when it began or how long he knows not In Execution of this Jurisdiction I had no private advantage to my self nothing but trouble was gained by it no new thing was done but such as was formerly by all the Chief Governours there and such as I had special Warrant for from His Majesty I have observed the Rules that guide others in Chancery and other Courts of Equity and the Judges in their Circuits Therefore it can be no Subversion of the Laws for the same thing done by others hath been Legally done it differs only in respect of place being before my self and so cannot be Treason And though it might be Illegal here yet it is according to the Laws and Customs of Ireland by which I am to be judged for all things there done And the same is done by the Presidents of the North and of Wales who did familiarly receive Petitions from Poor people that cannot seek remedy by a Legal course and yet it is not Treason in England And it cannot sink into my understanding how the enlargement of a Jurisdiction should be strained to High Treason specially being warranted by ancient Practice and modern Authority being only according to the nature of a Court of Requests and not entrenching on the Jurisdiction of Law Courts And so I hope this will never rise up in Judgment against me as Treason either in it self or by way of Application The Manager began his Reply in substance as followeth Whereas my Lord of Strafford says This is not Treason this is the burden of his Song But this is one of the particulars that prove his design to subvert the fundamental Laws of both Kingdoms He will not acknowledge a cumulative Treason he must have a Treason over Shooes and Boots yet if he will look on it all together he shall see the horridness of it and it will prove as great a Treason as ever was presented to a House of Parliament The Manager opened the Article and said they dispute not whether if it had been done in Chancery or other Courts it had been well done but it is done by him without Rule of Law and hereupon he hath drawn to himself an Arbitrary Power Whereas my Lord of Strafford to take from himself the Act of Parliament 28 H. 6. enjoyning That Causes should be referred to the proper Courts urged the last words Saving the Kings Prerogative We do observe That when he is Charged with an Exorbitant proceeding
give him the respit of a day to restore his litle strength it shall please God to lend him for he is not able to speak or stand Which the Committee for the Commons House said they should not oppose if it stand with their Lordships pleasure Mr. Pym did only add this That if their Lordships please to observe my Lord of Straffords endeavours to prove divers mitigations of his words some by Mr. Comptroller and some others by my Lord Goring But their Lordships may observe that the words in the Charge were spoken at the Committee the words spoken of by Mr. Comptroller were at the Council-Table and therefore they are not the same nor serve they for extenuation of words spoken at another time And so the House was Adjourned and appointed to meet again on Wednesday next THE Five and Twentieth Article The Charge 25 THat not long after the Dissolution of the said last Parliament viz. in the months of May and June he the Earl of Strafford did advise the King to go on vigorously in levying the Ship-Money and did procure the Sheriffs of several Counties to be sent for for not levying the Ship-Money divers of which were threatened by him to be sued in the Star-Chamber and afterwards by his Advice they were sued in the Star-Chamber for not levying the same and divers of His Majesties loving Subjects were sent for and imprisoned by his advice for that and other illegal payments And a great Loan of One hundred thousand pounds was demanded of the City of London and the Lord Mayor and Sheriffs and Aldermen of the said City were often sent for by his Advice to the Council-Table to give an account of their proceedings in raising of Ship-Money and furthering of that Loan and were required to certify the Names of such Inhabitants of the City as were fit to lend which they with much humility refusing to doe he the said Earl of Strafford did use these and the like speeches viz. That they deserved to be put to Fine and Ransome and that no good would be done with them till an example were made of them and that they were laid by the heels and some of the Aldermen hanged up April 7. 1641. Mr. Maynard proceeded to make good the Charge of the Commons of England against the Earl of Strafford touching High Treason and said They had already brought it so high as they must needs acknowledge they cannot goe higher a Design being laid to introduce an Arbitrary Government and Counsels given to maintain that and to introduce it by force They can goe no higher unless those Counsels had unhappily succeeded but though those Counsels take not effect yet the Principles whereby those Counsels were given appear still to have remained AND whereas my Lord of Strafford having these things proved against him by his Speeches Opinions and Counsels pretends there was no such thing done as if the goodness of others would excuse the badness of his Counsels they shall shew what he did do in the succeeding Articles And in the 25 th he proceeds First to advise His Majesty to go on vigorously with the Ship-Money he procured the Sheriffs to be sent for and sued in the Star-Chamber he sent for the Mayor and Aldermen about the loan of 100000 l. and the furtherance of Ship-money and were told by him That they deserved to be put to Fine and Ransome c. To prove the 25 th Article The Lord Treasurer of England being Interrogated What Advice my Lord of Strafford gave touching the levying of Ship-Money His Lordship Answered That he remembers my Lord of Strafford did advise that they should go vigorously and effectually on with the getting of Ship-Money he takes the time to be when as the Ship-Money came in very slowly and they were enforced to take out of these Moneys that were provided for the furnishing of the Army divers great sums to set out a Fleet which else would have staied still and my Lord of Strafford took no tice That if it were not repaied the Army would be destitute and unfurnished and therefore advised as formerly That the Ship-Money might go on vigorously and the other Money be repaid again for the use for which it was appointed and it was after the breach of the last Parliament Tho. Wiseman Sworn and Interrogated what he heard my Lord of Strafford say when the Aldermen of London were called to the Council-Table about the Ship-Money and the Loan and when it was He Answered That for the time he cannot very well remember and touching the Loan he is able to say little But about the Ship-Money he doth well Remember that my Lord should say they would never do their Duties well till they were put to Fine and Ransome meaning the Aldermen that were then called before their Lordships and this is as much as he can say Being asked whether there were not words of laying by the heels and what the words were He Answered He should not fear to do it My Lord of Strafford did say Whether on the Loan or Ship-Money he is not able to remember You should doe well to be layed by the heels you shall have no good of this man till he be laid by the heels and he the Examinant supposes it was meant of my Lord Mayor who was then present as he remembers and my Lord was there and to his best remembrance His Majesty was present Earl of Barkshire being Sworn and Interrogated What my Lord of Strafford counselled the King touching the said matter of Loan His Lordship Answered That he remembers His Majesty desired to borrow a sum of Money and to give good security for it and Interest after 8 per cent on the sum That the Aldermen were sent for and commanded to give in to the King the Names of those Men that were most able within their several Wards which they excusing themselves from doing my Lord of Strafford said Gentlemen in my opinion you may be lyable to Fine and Ransome for refusing the Kings Command on this occasion for not certifying the Names and this is the effect of what he spake Sir Henry Garaway being Sworn and Interrogated What my Lord of Strafford said to the Aldermen about the Ship-Money and Loan-Money He Answered That as he was Mayor of London in the last year he was oftentimes commanded to attend the Council-Table with the Sheriffs of London when they came about the Ship-Money there came no body as he conceives but they and himself but when they came concerning the Loan the whole Court of Aldermen came together Concerning the Ship-Money he confesses he found a great difficulty of it he could not tell which way to turn himself to levy the Money to give the King satisfaction He acquainted His Majesty That there were these difficulties in it That of two years proceeding not one halfe of the City of London had paid and therefore the willing men that had paid
the Statute of the Eight and twentieth year of Hen. 6th in Ireland it is declared in these words That Ireland is the proper Dominion of England and united to the Crown of England which Crown of England is of it self and by it self wholly and entirely endowed with all Power and Authority sufficient to yield to the Subjects of the same full and plenary remedy in all Debates and Suits whatsoever By the Statute of the Three and twentieth year of Henry the 8th the first Chapter when the Kings of England first assumed the Title of King of Ireland it is there Enacted that Ireland still is to be held as a Crown annexed and united to the Crown of England So that by the same reason from this that the Kings Writs run not in Ireland it might as well be held that the Parliament cannot originally hold Plea of things done within the County-Palatine of Chester and Durham nor within the Five Ports and Wales Ireland is a part of the Realm of England as appears by those Statutes as well as any of them This is made good by constant practice in all the Parliament Rolls from the first to the last there are Receivers and Tryers of Petitions appointed for Ireland for the Irish to come so far with their Petitions for Justice and the Parliament not to have cognizance when from time to time they had in the beginning of the Parliament appointed Receivers and Tryers of them is a thing not to be presumed An Appeal in Ireland brought by William Lord Vesey against Iohn Fitz-Thomas for Treasonable words there spoken before any Judgment given in Case there was removed into the Parliament in England and there the Defendant acquitted as appears in the Parliament Pleas of the Two and twentieth year of Edw. 1. The Suits for Lands Offices and Goods originally begun here are many and if question grew upon matter in fact a Jury usually ordered to try it and the Verdict returned into the Parliament as in the Case of one Ballyben in the Parliament of the Five and thirtieth year of Edward the 1. If a doubt arose upon a matter tryable by Record a Writ went to the Officers in whose custody the Record remained to certifie the Record as was in the Case of Robert Bagott the same Parliament of the Five and thirtieth year of Edward the 1. where the Writ went to the Treasurer and Barons of the Exchequer Sometimes they gave Judgement here in Parliament and commanded the Judges there in Ireland to do execution as in the great Case of Partition between the Copartners of the Earl Marshal in the Parliament of the Three and thirtieth of Edward the 1. where the Writ was awarded to the Treasurer of Ireland My Lords The Laws of Ireland were introduced by the Parliament of England as appears by Three Acts of the Parliament before cited It is of higher Jurisdiction Dare Leges then to judge by them The Parliaments of England do bind in Ireland if Ireland be particularly mentioned as is resolved in the Book-Case of the First year of Henry the Seventh Cook 's Seventh Report Calvin's Case and by the Judges in Trinity-Term in the Three and thirtieth year of Queen Elizabeth The Statute of the Eighth year of Edward the 4th the first Chapter in Ireland recites That it was doubted amongst the Judges whether all the English Statutes though not naming Ireland were in force there if named no doubt From King Henry the 3. his time downwards to the Eighth year of Queen Elizabeth by which Statute it is made Felony to carry Sheep from Ireland beyond Seas in almost all these Kings Reigns there be Statutes made concerning Ireland The exercising of the Legislative Power there over their Lives and Estates is higher than of the Judicial in question Until the 29th year of Edward the 3. erroneous Judgements given in Ireland were determinable no where but in England no not in the Parliament of Ireland as it appears in the close Rolls in the Tower in the 29th year of Edw. the 3. Memb. 12. Power to examine and reverse erroneous Judgments in the Parliaments of Ireland is granted from hence Writs of Error lye in the Parliament here upon erroneous Judgements after that time given in the Parliaments of Ireland as appears in the Parliament Rolls of the Eighth year of Henry the 6th No. 70. in the Case of the Prior of Lenthan It is true the Case is not determined there for it 's the last thing that came into the Parliament and could not be determined for want of time but no exception at all is taken to the Jurisdiction The Acts of Parliament made in Ireland have been confirmed in the Parliaments of England as appears by the close Rolls in the Tower in the Two and fortieth year of Edw. the 3. Memb. 20. Dorso where the Parliament in Ireland for the preservation of the Countrey from Irish who had almost destroyed it made an Act That all the Land-Owners that were English should reside upon their Lands or else they were to be forfeited this was here confirmed In the Parliament of the Fourth year of Henry the 5th Chap. 6. Acts of Parliament in Ireland are confirmed and some priviledges of the Peers in the Parliaments there are regulated Power to repeal Irish Statutes Power to confirm them cannot be by the Parliament here if it hath not cognizance of their Parliaments unless it be said that the Parliament may do it knows not what Garnsey and Iersey are under the Kings subjection but are not parcels of the Crown of England but of the Duchy of Normandy they are not governed by the Laws of England as Ireland is and yet Parliaments in England have usually held Plea of and determined all Causes concerning Lands or Goods In the Parliament in the 33 Edw. 1. there be Placita de Insula Iersey And so in the Parliament 14 Edw. 2. and so for Normandy and Gascoigne and always as long as any part of France was in subjection to the Crown of England there were at the beginning of the Parliaments Receivers and Tryers of Petitions for those parts appointed I believe your Lordships will have no Case shewed of any Plea to the jurisdiction of the Parliaments of England in any things done in any parts wheresoever in subjection to the Crown of England The last thing I shall offer to your Lordships is the Case of 19 Eliz. in my Lord Dyer 306. and Judge Crompton's Book of the jurisdiction of Courts fol. 23. The opinion of both these Books is That an Irish Peer is not Tryable here it 's true a Scotch or French Nobleman is tryable here as a common person the Law takes no notice of their Nobility because those Countreys are not governed by the Laws of England but Ireland being governed by the same Laws the Peers there are Tryable according to the Law of England only per pares By the same reason the Earl of Strafford not being a Peer of Ireland is
faithfulness protected his Ancestry Himself and his whole Family It was not Malum quia prohibitum it was Malum in se against the Dictates of the dullest Conscience against the Light of Nature they not having a Law were a Law to themselves Besides this he knew a Law without that the Parliament in Cases of this Nature had Potestatem vitae necis Nay he well knew that he offended the Promulged and Ordinary Rules of Law Crimes against Law have been Proved have been Confessed so that the Question is not De culpa sed de poena What degree of Punishment those Faults deserve We must differ from him in Opinion That twenty Felonies cannot make a Treason if it be meant of equallity in the use of the Legislative Power for he that deserves death for one of these Felonies alone deserves a Death more Painful and more Ignominious for all together Every Felony is punished with loss of Life Lands and Goods a Felony may be aggravated with those Circumstances as that the Parliament with good reason may add to the Circumstances of Punishment as was done in the Case of Iohn Hall in the Parliament of the 1 H. 4. who for a Barbarous Murder committed upon the Duke of Glocester Stifling him between two Feather-Beds at Calice was Adjudged to be Hanged Drawn and Quartered Batteries by Law are only punishable by Fine and single Damages to the Party Wounded In the Parliament held in 1 H. 4. Cap. 6. one Savage committed a Battery upon one Chedder Servant to Sir Iohn Brooke a Knight of the Parliament for Somersetshire It 's there Enacted that he shall pay double Damages and stand Convicted if he render not himself by such a time The manner of proceedings quickned and the penalty doubled the Circumstances were considered it concerned the Common-Wealth it was a Battery with Breach of Priviledge of Parliament This made a perpetual Act no warning to the first Offender and in the Kings Bench as appears by the Book-Case of 9 H. 4. the first leaf Double Damages were recovered My Lords in this of the Bill the Offence is High and General against the King and the Common-wealth against all and the best of all If every Felony be loss of Life Lands and Goods What is Misuser of the Legislative Power by Addition of Ignominy in the Death and Disposal of the Lands to the Crown the Publick Patrimony of the Kingdom But it was hoped that your Lordships had no more skill in the Art of killing Men then your worthy Ancestors My Lords this Appeal from your selves to your Ancestors we do admit of although we do not admit of that from your Lordships to the Peers of Ireland He hath appealed to them your Lordships will be pleased to hear what Judgment they have already given in the case that is the several Attainders of Treason in Parliament after the Statute of 25 E. 3. for Treasons not mentioned nor within that Statute and those upon the first Offenders without warning given By the Statute of 25 E. 3. it 's Treason to levy War against the King Gomines and Weston afterwards in Parliament in the 1 R. 2. n. 38 39 adjudged Traytors for surrendring two several Castles in France only out of fear without any Compliance with the Enemy this not within the Statute of 25th E. 3. My Lords In the 3 d of Rich. 2d. Iohn Imperiall that came into England upon Letters of Safe Conduct as an Agent for the State of Genoa sitting in the evening before his door in Breadstreet as the words of the Records are Paulo ante ignitegium Iohn Kirkby and another Citizen coming that way Casually Kirkby troad upon his Toe it being twilight this grew to a Quarrel and the Ambassador was slain Kirkby was Indicted of High-Treason the Indictment finds all this and that it was only done se defendendo and without malice The Judges it being out of the Statute 25 E. 3. could not proceed the Parliament declared it Treason and Judgment afterwards of High-Treason there 's nothing can bring this within the Statute of 25 E. 3. but it concerns the Honor of the Nation that the Publick Faith should be strictly kept It might endanger the Traffique of the Kingdom they made not a Law first they made the first man an Example this is in the Parliament-Roll 3 R. 2. Number 18. and Hillary Terme 3 R. 2. Rot. 31. in the Kings-Bench where Judgment is given against him In 11 R. 2. Tresilian and some others attainted of Treason for delivering Opinions in the Subversion of the Law and some others for plotting the like My Lords the Case hath upon another occasion been opened to your Lordships only this is observable that in the Parliament of the first year of Henry the Third where all Treasons are again reduced to the Statute of 25 E. 3. These Attainders were by a particular Act confirmed and made good that the memory thereof might be transmitted to succeeding Ages they stand good unto this day the offences there as here were the endeavouring the Subversion of the Laws My Lords after the 1 H. 4. Sir Iohn Mortimer being committed to the Tower upon suspition of Treason brake Prison and made his escape This no way within any Statute or any former Judgment at Common-Law for this that is for breaking the Prison only and no other cause in the Parliament held the second year of Henry the Sixth he was attainted of High-Treason by Bill My Lords Poysoning is only Murder yet one Richard Cooke having put Poyson into a Pot of Pottage in the Kitchin of the Bishop of Rochester whereof two persons dyed he 's Attainted of Treason and it was Enacted that he should be Boyled to Death by the Statute of 22 H. 8. c. 9. By the Statute of the 25 H. 8. Elizabeth Barton the Holy Maid of Kent for pretending Revelations from God That God was highly displeased with the King for being Divorced from the Lady Katherine and that in case he persisted in the Separation and should Marry another that he would not continue King not above one Moneth after because this tended to the depriving of the lawful Succession to the Crown she is Attainted of Treason My Lords all these Attainders for ought I know are in force at this day The Statutes of the First year of Henry the 4 th and the First of Queen Mary although they were willing to make the Statute of 25 E. 3. the Rule to the Inferiour Courts yet they left the Attainders in Parliament precedent to themselves untoucht wherein the Legislative power had been exercised There 's nothing in them whence it can be gathered but that they intended to leave it as free for the future My Lords In all these Attainders there were Crimes and Offences against the Law they thought it not unjust Circumstances considered to heighten and add to the degrees of punishment and that upon the first Offender My Lords we receive as just the other Lawes
what the effect of the Warrant is sworn to be that howsoever the Sergeant at Arms and his Ministers that executed it brought but four or six or ten yet the Sergeant might have brought all the Army of Ireland for there was authority so to do And admitting the matter of Fact proved he mentions an Act of Parliament made 11 Eliz. whereby a penalty is laid upon men that shall lay Soldiers on the Kings Subjects and yet as my Lord observes it must now be Treason in the Deputy My Lords The very casting of an eye upon that Act shews it to be as vainly objected as if he had said nothing for in truth it is no other than as if he should say The King hath given me the Command of an Army in Ireland and therefore I may turn them upon the bowels of the Kings Subjects It is no more in effect Your Lordships heard him the other day mentioning two Acts of Repeal and I expected he would have insisted upon them but it seems he hath been better advised and thinks them not worthy repetition nor indeed are they And if the matter of Fact be proved upon the Fifteenth Article I am confident he will find the Statute of 18 H. 6. to be of ful force My Lords I am very sorry to hear that when levying of War upon the Kings Subjects is in agitation and he charged with High Treason he should make mention of the Yorkshire men and the Army now on foot whereby he would insinuate that if he be charged with High Treason then they must be likewise though they lye quartered and have meat and drink with the assent of the people which may breed ill blood for ought I know From the Fifteenth Article he descends to the three and twentieth and that is the Article whereby he stands charged with speaking of Words and giving of Counsel to His Majesty to incense him against His Parliament pretending a necessity and telling him he is loose and absolved from all rules of Government that he had an Army in Ireland which he might make use of to reduce this kingdom In this he is pleased to begin with the Testimony of my Lord Ranelagh conceiving an apprehension and fear in him that the Army should go over to England which my Lord says is no more but his saying and Mr. Treasurer Vane ' s. I pray God my Lord Ranelagh had not much cause to fear but by the same rule he may lay a charge of unwarrantable fear upon all the Commons for sure the Commons of England did fear it else they would not make an Article of it but my Lord Ranelagh's fear did not arise from a slight cause and he shewed himself a good Common-wealths man in expressing it and he is to be commended for it howsoever it be apprehended by my Lord of Strafford For his observation of the single Testimony of Mr. Treasurer Vane give me leave to take the same latitude as his Lordship did for he shews to three or four Articles what he could have proved as to the Article concerning the Army he could have proved the design of it by Sir John Burlacy and some others if they had been here But by this rule and liberty he hath taken to alledge what he could have shown give me leave to tell you what we might have shown and are ready to show we could have made it express and proved it by Notes taken by Secretary Vane the 5th of May when the words were spoken which Notes should have been proved if we had proceeded on the Three and twentieth Article to corroborate the Testimony of Mr. Secretary Vane and that by two Witnesses We could likewise have shown how we came to the knowledge of it it being by means unknown to Mr. Secretary Vane and have made him an upright Counsellor and Witness but we shall prove his intentions to bring in the Irish Army another way when I come to open my own course and method My Lords he pretends these words were spoken the 5th of May but when they were testified by Mr. Treasurer he did not speak of the 5th of May and yet now my Lord remembers the day and I wonder how he came to the knowledge of the day unless he likewise remembred the words But that my Lord observes is That being spoken then how should he perswade the King that he had an Army in Ireland when in truth he had none there for the Army was not on foot till a month after This my Lords is plainly answered and if he had thought of his own answer he had answered himself for he tels you That in April before he had taken a course for the levying of the Army he had nominated the Officers giving direction for raising it and the day of the Rendezvous of the Army was appointed the 18th of May. And so in his own answer he makes an answer to the objection and the objection is taken away out of his own confession From that Article he falls to the seven and twentieth Article whereby he stands charged with Levying Money by force upon the Kings people in Yorkshire he is pleased to observe that all the proofe for the maintenance of that Article is only the levying of Money by four Soldiers by Sergeant-Major Yaworth where he is pleased to disdain the War because it was so weak yet it was too strong for them God help them that were forced upon pain of life to pay it And whereas he pretends the Warrant was not from him I shall reserve that till I come to the Article and when I come to the proofs I believe it will remain fixed upon him And there he left his Statute-Treason and now he falls to the second kind of Treason and that was the introductive or constructive Treason He begins with the third Article that is concerning some words that he should be charged to have spoken in Ireland and I shall desire that your Lordships would be pleased to look upon your Notes how he answers that Article My Lords says he I am charged to say that Ireland was a conquered Nation and that their Charters were nothing worth and bind the King no further than he pleaseth therefore I am a Traitor because I speak the Truth There was his Answer in his Collection And for their Charters he sayes he might very well say so for he intended it no otherwise but according to the validity of them for they were several ways questionable and ought not to bind unless they were good in Law But if you look upon his Arguments he hath like a cunning Orator omitted the principal part of the Article and that is That Ireland is a conquered Nation and they were to be governed as the King pleaseth the King might do with them what he list this he omits although they be proved by three witnesses and are appliable to his intentions fully yet he could make use of so much as makes for him and leaves out the
9 Free Conference concerning the said Articles 9 A select Committee agreed upon for the Examination of Witnesses concerning him 10 Members of both Houses to be examined concerning him 14 15 16 Parliament of Ireland their Petition to the King against him 15 Sir George Ratcliffe not to speak with him 15 Scotch Commissioners to bring in their charge and Proofs against him 18 See the Charge 769 Conference to Sequester him from his Offices 20 Debate about admitting him Council at his Trial 21 His Answer read containing 200 sheets of Paper 22 Abstract of his Answer to the 28 Articles 22 unto 30 The Evidence against him to be managed by a Committee of the House of Commons 32 No Replication to be put in unto his Answer ibid. The Commons aver the Charge against him and will manage the Evidence by Members of their own the Names of the Members to that purpose appointed 33 A Committee of 48 of the Commons appointed to meet a Committee of 24 of the Lords at a free Conference concerning his Tryal 33 Conference as to place of Tryal Persons present Council and management of Evidence against him 34 unto 37 Protestation entred in the Lords House denying that they did approve of his raising Money in Yorkshire 37 38 Resolved that the Commons be present as a Committee of the whole House at his Tryal c. 38 Some Members appointed to view the place for his Trial 39 His Petition to examine some Members of this House read 40 The manner of his coming to his Tryal in Westminster-Hall 41 The manner of bringing him into the Hall the Ax not being suffered to be carried before him till after Tryal 41 Suffrages in matters criminal declined to be given by the Bishops entring their Protestation c 41 The House to meet at Two in the afternoon constantly during the Tryal 42 His Exceptions and frequent Adjournment of the Lords House occasioned thereby with other unnecessary delays reported how to prevent the same 43 A Peremptory day to be appointed for him to conclude his Tryal 44 Both Houses agree that if the Earl come not to morrow the Commons may sum up their Evidence and conclude 45. Resolved by the Lords that to morrow be recollect his Evidence which being done the Managers are to state theirs 47 The Act of Attainder read a Second time and referred to a Committee of the whole House ibid. The Council appointed by the Lords to be here to morrow morning concerning matter of Law 47 Resolved that it is sufficiently proved that he hath endeavoured to subvert the antient and Fundamental Laws of the Realms of England Scotland and Ireland and to introduce Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government against Law 48 Lord High Steward his Speech unto him the first day of Tryal 101 The Impeachment against him read 101 The-Speech Introductive of Mr. Pym concerning the Preamble to his Answer 102 Lord Digby's Speech to the Bill of Attainder 50 Names of Witnesses their Evidence Exception taken Interlocutory Passages Defence and Reply 109 c. Sentence against the Lord Montnorris read 187 Some Interlocutory Passages and Speeches in the Petition of Right made by him in Parliament much notice thereof being taken by the Court 763 His Confinement in Kent for refusing Lone-Money 763 Complained of at Court for frequenting Archbishop Abbots Table with Sir Dudly Digs c. 764 Sentence against the Lord Montnorris read 187 Earl of Straffords Summary Account of his Evidence 633 to 660 The Speech of Mr. Pym thereupon 661 to 674 Mr. Glyn's Reply to the Earls Summary of his Evidenee 706 to 733 King's Speech in favour of the Earl 734 The Earls Letter to him to set His Majesties Conscience at Liberty 743 Concerning an endeavour for the Earl to escape out of the Tower 746 Sir John Suckling voted Guilty of Treason 754 The Earl brought to the Scaffold his Speech then 759 Copy of the Paper containing the heads of his last Speech written with his own Hand and left on the Scaffold 760 He desires before he dies to speak with the Archbishop of Canterbury but refused 762 He sees the Archbishop the next morning at his window as he was going to the Scaffold and desires his Blessing 762 He went to the Scaffold more like a General at the Head of an Army after obtaining Conquest in Battel than like a man going to execution by Death 762 His Instructions to his Son in Writing ibid. A Description of his Person and an account of the Noble Relations to his Family 772 A brief Account of his Secretary Mr. Slingsby and of his death by having his Legs cut off above the knees 773 His Letter to his Secretary before his death 774 The King's Reflections upon the Earls death 775 T. TAx imposed on the Subjects see Art 27 598 Tobacco made a Monopoly see Art 12. 402 Westminster-Hall the place of Tryal appointed to be viewed by Members 39 The fitness thereof reported by Sir John Culpeper ibid. The First day of Tryal March 22. 1640. 101 102 c. The manner of his coming to Tryal 41 U ULster the place of Rendezvous for the Irish Army in fight of Scotland 769 Ungirding of the Scotch Army 770 W SIr Christopher Wandesford made Lord Deputy of Ireland by the Earl 769 Warrant given to Officers of the Ecclesiastical Courts to Attach and commit persons see Art 9. 236 Warrant produced 237. Sir Richard Weston Lord Treasurer first courted the Earl after the Dissolution of the Parliament 4 Car. 1. 768 Sir Iohn Winter to be removed from Court 42 Some Lords desired to be made use of as Witnesses 49 Earl of Worcester and his Sons Commission for levying of Forces to be drawn into the charge of the Earl of Strafford 19 Words spoken tending to the bringing of the Irish Army into England 46 725 Words wherewith the Earl was charged in several Articles of Impeachment see Art FINIS See Historical Collections the First Part. Pa. 500. Resolved to Accuse the E. of strafford of High Treason Report of the Message of High Treason Message of Sequestration of E. of Strafford The Lord Keeper to the E. of Strafford Message from the Lords Conference that Ports of Ireland shall be open Committee how to send for Sir George Ratcliff Mr. Speaker to sit at the Grand Committee for Irish Affairs Irish Affairs Committee concerning the Earl of Strafford Resolutions thereupon Sir Robert King to be sent for Expedition Mr. Treasurer Reports the Message from the King No Member to visit the Earl of Strafford without leave Message to the Lords for a Committee to examine Witnesses Approbation of the Lords Petitioners for a Parliament Petition to be Entred Speedy examinations against the Earl of Strafford by Members of both Houses Committee to search Attainders Report Irish Remonstrance Book of Petitions sent for over Warrants for Taxes upon Tobacco Entries of Impositions Articles against the Earl of Strafford Articles to be engrossed Conference concerning the Earl of Strafford's Articles
such thing was spoken that there was 100000 l. in the Kings Coffers And for the 50000 l. received by me in England Mr. vice-Vice-Treasurer in Ireland is Accomptable for it though Mr. Vice-Treasurer never touched the money and my self as little And Mr. Vice-Treasurer discharges himself of it by Warrants issued from me and charged it upon other Accomptants who when they come to Account I doubt not but a good Account will be given Though under favour of the Gentleman of the 50000 l. 14000 l. is yet unpaid only there is an Assignment But it lies on him and his Credit for discharge of the Kings Service And it must lye on him or on some other person if himself have nothing left him And whereas it is said the money I had as borrowed was taken out when the Kings Army was in want I desire Your Lordships to observe It was two years ago when I had this money and then there was 100000 l. in Surplusage And though the King gave me Liberty of His Goodness to use it three years it was not wanting to the Army when it stood in need of it The next thing urged was my Cozenage in the Custom-house and that I had there Cozened the King notably 5 or 6000 l. a year deep To Answer this I reserve my self till I come to the particular Article but desire leave with all Modesty to say That it shall appear I have not Cozened nor deceitfully abused His Majesty for a Farthing Token neither in that nor in anything else And that there is no other Allowance nor Defalcation by the Grant wherein I am Interessed for 15600 l. a year and 8000 l. Fine then was allowed to the former Farmers that had it at the Rent of 13000 l. a year And that I have made the King a much more profitable bargain than he had or could have without it The next was for the Revenues of the Church That they were got without Rules of Justice And were an Offering of Rapine And that I had an Eye to my own Preferment in the Person of my Lord of Canterbury To that I have already Answered And thus having run over all the Preamble I humbly begg leave to make some Observations upon the Testimonies produced viz. That the Examinations of Sir Iohn Clotworthy and my Lord Ranulagh I conceive do not concern me Mr. Barnewells was for things spoken when I was out of the Kingdom and were concerning Sir George Ratcliffe and not me For the Remonstrances shewed wherein they disclaim the Preamble to the Act for four Subsidies I beseech Your Lordships to consider how unlikely it is that I should do any thing in that kinde fraudulently or surreptitiously For by the Custom of that Kingdom the Laws must be transmitted hither under the Hand of the Deputy and Council and so pass the Seal and be returned to Ireland when that Law was transmitted I was here in England as I take it And absolutely and directly I protest I never knew any thing in the World of that Preamble never saw it nor heard of it I think till I saw it in the Copy of the Remonstrance I never heard it was excepted against it having pass'd the Vote and three times reading in both Houses And I would have consented to have it struck out as in truth I will now being far from any thing of vanity and not thinking my self better or worse by being put in or out And if it were charged upon me as a Crime or were material for me to prove it I think I could by Witness in Town prove That it was the general Vote of the Commons House and passed with as much Applause and Chearfulness as any thing And that if my Lord Dillon and Sir Adam Loftus and some other of the Irish Commissioners were examined upon Oath I believe they would Swear they never heard any Exceptions against it till the time I was Impeached with High Treason For the Particular concerning Sir Pierce Crosby it concerned not me but the reason of his being put from the Board was this All Laws must first be transmitted from the Deputy and Council the Bill against which he Voted was transmitted Sir Pierce Crosby was there and set his hand to the transmission and because he did not except against it then being a Member of the Board but did except against it afterwards it was thought fit he should be Sequestred as I remember till His Majesties Pleasure should be known but Committed he was not And it was done by the Vote of the whole Board but no way to infringe the Liberty of the House and so in Obedience to Your Lordships as near as I could with a great deal of Weakness and Infirmity I have said as much as I can for the present recollect towards the making good the Truth of my Preamble And I conclude with this humble suit there being some Exception took at some Words that fell from me Many mens Tongues and Mouthes may offend where their Hearts do not And that in truth I may say my Heart did not offend against that Reverence and Duty I shall always pay on all occasions to the Honourable House of Commons and every Member of it but to others that are neither Members of this House nor of the House in Ireland I meant what I said And I do beseech the Gentlemen of the House of Commons to accept my Acknowledgment of this truth and that my Words may not be any ways raised against me as a Cause of their thinking worse of me or that I should be peccant or offending in having other thoughts of the Members and Proceedings of the House than with all Submission and all belief of the Equity of it To which Defence one of the Managers appointed for this days Service briefly replyed in substance as followeth What I have said in Answer of the Preamble was not by way of Charge but only for disproof of that whereby my Lord of Strafford would take away or nullifie the Charge So that if the Charge remains in force the Services performed by him are not effectual to mitigate it That what we have proposed still stands unavoided as we conceive notwithstanding any thing my Lord of Strafford hath said That as concerning Sir Pierce Crosby his agreeing to the Transmission if that be true That there is a preparative part of the Law and there Sir Pierce Crosby might speak as a Councellor But there is a Legislative part of the Law and that is done in Parliament and these being distinct if Sir Pierce Crosby did do any thing at Council-Table it deprived him not of his Liberty to speak in Parliament But we are informed he gave his denial to consent to the Transmission And if my Lord of Strafford were not guilty in his own Person of breach of Priviledge yet if under his Government Priviledge of Parliament be broken it is no matter of Merit to say he procured Parliaments It is no Answer to say
thereunto he would imprison her and fine her Five hundred pounds that if she continued obstinate he would continue her Imprisonment and double her fine every month by means whereof she was enforced to relinquish her Estate in the Lands questioned in the said Petition which shortly after were conveyed to Sir Robert Meredith to the use of the said Earl of Strafford And the said Earl in like manner did imprison divers others of His Majesties Subjects upon pretence of Disobedience to his Orders Decrées and other illegal Command by him made for pretended Debts Titles of Lands and other Causes in an Arbitrary and extrajudicial course upon Paper-Petitions to him preferred and no Cause legally depending The Article was opened by the Manager THomas Hibbott's Petition to my Lord of Strafford was read setting forth That Sir Thomas Hibbot's being seized of certain Land conveyed the same to the use of himself for life after death to the Petitioner in Tail and divers Remainders over That Sir Thomas of the said Lands became seized for life and died the Petitioner being in England and not knowing of the Conveyance That Dame Mary Hibbots Iohn Hoy her Son and others taking advantage of his absence combined to get the Deeds touching the Lands into their hands That they caused one Booky to come into England to perswade the Petitioner to go into Ireland and he went accordingly and was brought to the place of the said Ladies abode who pretended that she had an estate in the Lands during life That by this means before he could be advised he was drawn to contract for the Lands at half value and he entred into Bond to perform Agreements That the Petitioner was more willing thereunto in respect of a desire to buy other Lands of Iohn Martin's and agreed for it and was to receive 1800 l. of the said Lady which Martin was to receive and the greatest part paid out at the time and place appointed That a Deed-Poll was drawn from him to Seal to and acknowledge a Fine and deliver Security for great part of the purchase-money That notwithstanding a Fine acknowledged and Security given up the Lady Hibbots refused to let Martin have the said money and so the Petitioner disappointed of the Bargain and therefore prays that the Evidences Deed-Poll Fine and Bond might be delivered up and the Agreement discharged being surreptitiously obtained The Lord-Deputies Warrant was subscribed and read bearing Dated 15. October 1635. viz. That the Lady Hibbot c. should on sight thereof forthwith deliver the said Deeds c. to Sir Paul Davis and to appear at Council-Table the 20th of this instant October The Manager observed That the Petition was preferred in the name of Thomas Hibbots though in truth he had never knowledge of the exhibiting of it and that the first Bargain with the Lady Hibbots was made 22. September 1635. the Petition exhibited 15. October 1635. The Decree was read Iohn Hoy attesting it to be a true Copy wherein the Petition is recited and the time and it is set forth that the Courts of Justice were not then open that the Petitioner being a Stranger it was not fit he should long attend That the Defendants denied the fraud charged To which the Plaintiff Replied the Defendants rejoin time given to examine Witnesses and a day for hearing set down That at the hearing it appears the said Lady brake into her deceased Husbands Study possest her self of the Deeds and Writings That Booky was sent over as might be conceived to circumvent the Plaintiff That getting him to her house she contracted with him for 1600 l. before he knew of the value that understanding it to be worth 2250 l. he refused to proceed and then the Lady raised the price to 2500 l. That by not payment of a part of it the bargain with Mr. Martin the cause of his treaty with the Lady was disappointed That the Lady pretended an Estate for life in the Lands when she had only an Estate in part for 99 years if she lived so long and no Estate in other parts thereof which the Plaintiff knowing not of could not suffer a Praecipe quod reddat without her joyning whereas being but Lessee for 99 years he might That it appears by the Deeds that the Plaintiff intended not to sell the Lands for that he knew them not as appeared by Circumstances which the Order doth more particularly set down That the criminal part should be reserved to be made use of by the King's Council that for the civil part the said Bargain was Ordered to be void That the Fine not yet recorded but remaining unreturned shall be cancelled if the Plaintiff shall require it And the Lady to have only such Estate as she had before and no other And both Parties are hereunto to yield Obedience 24. November 1635. Adam Loftus Chancellor Ormond Valentia Moore Dillon Sherley Lowther Wainsford Manwareing Tiringham George Ratcliffe The Manager opened the Nature of the Cause observed the particular parts of the Order shewing that there was a Conveyance executed a Fine levied though not returned by his Order no Witnesses examined though she denies the Fraud and Arguments are made to convince her by observation of circumstances and so concluded to overthrow a Bargain in October before That it is pretended to be when the Courts of Justice were shut though it was heard in full Term 24. November 1635. the Term there beginning as in England but adjourned to the 2. of November and the said Order was contrary to the Vote of the Council-Board That when that Bargain was overthrown the Lands were purchased by Sir Robert Meredith and others for 3000 l. to the use of the Earl of Strafford and he sold them back to the Lady Hibbots for 7000 l. That when this Petition was preferred Thomas Hibbots desired to be gone and have his money applies himself to Sir William Parsons for advice Whether he might not withdraw his Petition he sends him to Sir George Ratcliffe Sir George opposes it the Petitioner goes to my Lord of Strafford and he tells him Do not withdraw your Suit 500 l. more in your purse will do you no hurt Iohn Hoy was first produced as a Witness and sworn My Lord of Strafford offered to their Lordships Consideration that the Witness is to have the Inheritance of the Lands and so swears directly for himself But the Manager Answered That if he shall have the Inheritance his Lordship knows the terms he hath paid 7000 l. for it And Mr. Maynard added that if the Decree were of force against him it were something but the Land is since paid for and whether the Decree be good or bad he can neither lose nor win by it for he comes in as a Purchasor Yet my Lord of Strafford prest it that the Witness complained and seeks Relief against the Decree But the Manager Answered It was for his Mother not for himself though upon my Lord Stewards
in the ordinary way of Judicature without Bill for so is the present question For the clearing of this I shall propound two things to your Lordships consideration Whether the Rule for expounding the Irish Statute and Customs be one and the same in England as in Ireland That being admitted whether the Parliament in England have cognizance or jurisdiction of things there done in respect of the place because the Kings Writ runs not there For the First in respect of the place the Parliament here hath cognizance there And Secondly If the Rules for expounding the Irish Statutes and Customs be the same here as there this exception as I humbly conceive must fall away In England there is the Common-Law the Statutes the Acts of Parliament and Customs peculiar to certain places differing from the Common-Law If any question arise concerning either a Custom or an Act of Parliament the Common-Law of England the First the Primitive and the General Law that 's the Rule and Expositor of them and of their several extents it is so here it is so in Ireland the Common-Law of England is the Common-Law of Ireland likewise the same here and there in all the parts of it It was introduced into Ireland by King Iohn and afterwards by King Henry 3. by Act of Parliament held in England as appears by the Patent-Rolls of the 30th year of King Henry 3. the first Membrana the words are Quia pro Communi Utilitate terrae Hiberniae unitate terrarum Regis Rex vult de Communi Concilio Regis Provisum est quod omnes Leges Consuetudines quae in Regno Angliae tenentur in Hibernia teneantur eadem terra eisdem legibus subjaceat per easdem Regatur sicut Dominus Iohannes Rex cum ultimò esset in Hibernia statuit fieri mandavit quia c. Rex vult quòd omnia brevia de Communi Iure quae currunt in Anglia similiter currant in Hibernia sub novo sigillo Regis mandatum est Archiepiscopis c. quod pro pace tranquilitate ejusdem terrae per easdem leges eos regi deduci permittant eas in omnibus sequantur in cujus c. Teste Rege apud Woodstock Decimo nono die Septembris Here is an union of both Kingdoms and that by Act of Parliament and the same Laws to be used here as there in omnibus My Lords That nothing might be left here for an exception that is That in Treasons Felonies and other capital offences concerning Life the Irish Laws are not the same as here therefore it is enacted by a Parliament held in England in the 14th year of Edw 2. it is not in print neither but in the Parliament Book that the Laws concerning Life and Member shall be the same in Ireland as in England And that no exception might yet remain in a Parliament held in England The 5th year of Edw. 3. it is Enacted Quod una eadem Lex fiat tam Hibernicis quam Anglicis This Act is enrolled in the Patent Rolls of the 5th year of Edw. 3. Parl. membr 25. The Irish therefore receiving their Laws from hence they send their Students at Law to the Inns of Court in England where they receive their Degree and of them and of the Common-Lawyers of this Kingdom are the Judges made The Petitions have been many from Ireland to send from hence some Judges more learned in the Laws than those they had there It hath been frequent in cases of difficulty there to send sometimes to the Parliament sometimes to the King by advice from the Judges here to send them resolutions of their doubts Amongst many I 'll cite your Lordships only one because it is in a case of Treason upon an Irish Statute and therefore full to this point By a Statute there made the fifth year of Edw. 4. there is a provision made for such as upon suggestions are committed to prison for Treason that the party committed if he can procure 24 Compurgators shall be bailed and let out of prison Two Citizens of Dublin were by a Grand Jury presented to have committed Treason they desired benefit of this Statute that they might be let out of prison upon tender of their Compurgators The words of the Statute of the 5th year of Edw. 4th in Ireland being obscure the Judges there being not satisfied what to do sent the case over to the Queen desired the opinion of the Judges here which was done accordingly The Judges here sent over their opinion which I have out of the Book of Justice Anderson one of the Judges consulted withal The Judges delivered their opinion upon an Irish Statute in case of Treason If it be objected That in this Case the Judges here did not judge upon the party their opinions were only ad informandam Conscientiam of the Judges in Ireland that the Judgement belonged to the Judges there My Lords with submission this and the other Authorities prove that for which they were cited that is that no absurdity no failure of Justice would ensue if this great Judicatory should judge of Treason so made by an Irish Statute The Common-Law rules of judging upon an Irish Statute the Pleas of the Crown for things of life and death are the same here and there this is all that yet hath been offered For the Second point That England hath no power of Judicature for things done in Ireland My Lords the constant practice of all ages proves the contrary Writs of Error in Pleas of the Crown as well as in Civil Causes have in all Kings Reigns been brought here even in the inferior Courts of Westminster-Hall upon Judgment given in the Courts of Ireland the practice is so frequent and so well known as that I shall cite none of them to your Lordships no president will I believe be produced to your Lordships that ever the Case was remanded back again into Ireland because the question arose upon an Irish Statute or Custom Object But it will be said that Writs of Error are only upon failure of justice in Ireland and that suits cannot originally be commenced here for things done in Ireland because the Kings Writ runs not in Ireland Answ. This might be a good Plea in the Kings-Bench and inferior Courts at Westminster-Hall the question is Whether it be so in Parliament The Kings Writ runs not within the County-Palatine of Chester and Durham nor within the Five Ports neither did it in Wales before the Union of Henry the 8th's time after the Laws of England were brought into Wales in King Edw. the 1. time Suits were not originally commenced at Westminster-Hall for things done in them yet this never excluded the Parliament-suits for Life Lands and Goods within these jurisdictions are determinable in Parliament as well as in any other parts of the Realm Ireland as appears by the Statute of the Thirtieth year of Henry 3. before-mentioned is united to the Crown of England By
Westminster-Hall during the Trial 41 King 's little finger heavier than the loins of the Law see Art 2. 149 King's Letter on behalf of the Earl 757 Sir Robert King a Member of Parliament in Ireland sent for as a Witness against the Earl 4. L. LEtter to Sir Jacob Ashley and Sir John Conyers to prevent a Design to engage the Army against the Parliament 745 Letter from the King to moderate the severity of the Law against the Earl 755 Letter from the Earl to his Secretary Slingsby before his death 774 Loftus Lord Chancellor made a close prisoner see Art 8. 221 Twelve Lords send to His Majesty to shew favour to his innocent Children 758 M. MAriners a Bill to be drawn to enable the pressing of them 755 Members of Parliament in Ireland sent for by the Commons 4 5 6. A Committee touching the Examination of Members of both Houses named 14 15 16 Members make a protestation of Secresie 16 Four Members viz. Mr. Selden Palmer Maynard and Whitlock added to the Committee for the Earl who made their Protestation of Secresie 32 Members appointed to view the place of Trials 39 Members desired by the Earls Petition to be heard as Witnesses 40 Some Members of the Lords House desired by the Commons to be made use of as Witnesses 44 Members names of the House of Commons whom the House desires to be present at the Trial as Witnesses 44 Message from the Lords for a Conference by a Committee of Thirty of their House with a proportionable number of this House touching the examination of Members c. 10 Message to the Lords about disbanding the new levied Irish Army 42 Message to the Lords to appoint a day for the Earl to conclude his Trial 44 Both Houses agree that if the Earl come not to morrow the House of Commons may sum up their Evidence and conclude 45 Message to acquaint the Lords that the Proceedings by Bill stand in no way of opposition to what hath been already done 48 Moneys without Parliament to be raised by force see Art 21. 516 Monopoly made of Tobacco see Art 12. 402 Sir Walter Montague Sir Toby Mathews c. to be removed from Court 42 Lord Montnorris his Case of Ireland to be reported by the Committee Montnorris sentence of death pronounced against him see Art 5. 186 Sentence read 187 Concerning his being put out of possession of his Freehold see Art 6. 205 Multitudes of people assembled in Westminster 742 Petition from them desiring Iustice against the Earl communicated to the Commons ibid. They depart upon the Lords taking the Protestation 742 N. LYsimachus Nicanor his scandalous Pamphlet Printed 770 Earl of Northumberland made General of the Royal Army in England upon whose sickness the Earl of Strafford was made Lieutenant-General Anno 1640. 769 Earl of Northumberland communicates Mr. Percies Letter to the Peers 748 Earl of Northumberland Lord High Admiral of England 769 O. OAth contrived against the Scots in Ireland see Art 19. 489 The like to the Scots in England 503 Offensive War against the Scots urged by the Earl see Art 20. 515 A Troop of Reformed Officers to be disbanded 15 Officers c. Warrant to them see Art 9. 236 P. PAper posted up at Sir William Brunkards House in the Old Palace-yard declaring the names of many persons to be enemies of Iustice 59 Parliament in Ireland declare against the Scots see Art 22. 517 People assemble in multitudes at Westminster 742 Petitions Orders and Books of Entries of Impositions c. sent for out of Ireland 8 Petitions and Complaints of proceedings in Ireland reported 10 Petition of the Parliament of Ireland to the King read 15 Petition of the Earl to examine some Members of this House read 40 Two Petitions of the Citizens of London read 55 One of them concerning Grievances inserted 56 Petition from a multitude of people at Westminster desiring Iustice against the Earl communicated to the Commons 742 A discovery in the Petition of Soldiers to be brought into the Tower ibid. Father Philips's Letter to Mr. Walter Montague read 751 He is called to the Bar and is impeached 752 Mr. Piercy's Letter concerning the Plot 748 to 750 Mr Piercy and Sir John Suckling voted to be guilty of High Treason 754 Plot discovered in England 735 Upon which the House resolves on a Protestation ibid. Preamble thereunto ibid. The Protestation read 736 Names of the Protestors 736 to 740 The Plot still suspected to be carried on 740 Ports in Ireland to be open 46 1500 Barrels of Powder gone to Portsmouth to be stayed 740 Lord Primate of Ireland his Examination debated 44 Proceedings by way of Bill no way in opposition to what hath been already done 48 Proclamation to issue out against Sir George Ratcliffe if he appear not at the day limited 16 Proclamation by the Earl commanding the Nobility to reside in Ireland see Art 16. 460. Protestation of Secresie taken by the Members 16 The same taken by the four Members added to the Committee for the Earl 32 Protestation of the Lords denying that they did approve of the Earls raising Money in Yorkshire 37 38 Protestation resolved on by the House upon the discovery of the Plot in England 735 Carried up to the Lords to take the same 741 Mr. Hollis's Speech to the Lords to promote the taking thereof 742 The Protestation taken by the Lords and the multitude depart ibid. Q. THe Queen came to her private Closet in Westminster-Hall during the Trial 41 Queen-Mother apprehending her self in danger of the Multitude Mr. Martyn moved the House that she may depart the Kingdom 758 R. LOrd Ranelaghs debate about his Examination 174 Not to be examined 175 Sir George Ratcliffe not to speak with or write to the Earl of Strafford 15 A Proclamation to issue out against him if he appear not at the day limited 16 Articles of High-Treason voted against him 17 Records of Attainder a Committee appointed to search those Cases in the Kings-Bench 7 Reformado-Officers to be disbanded 15 Remonstrance of Ireland reported by Mr. Whistler 7 Remonstrance of the House of Commons in Ireland read 11 12 13 114. No Replication to be put in to the Earls Answer 32 Strafford A Committee of Irish Affairs of the whole House designed in order to his Accusation 1 He is in a great Dilemma in the North 2 His intended Impeachment of some Members disappointed ibid. He is accused of High-Treason 3 Sequestred from the Parliament and Committed to the Black Rod ibid. Examination of Witnesses to be taken previous to his Tryal in the presence of some of the Commons 6 Records of Attainder in the Kings Bench to be search'd in order to a Bill of Attainder 7 Irish Remonstrance reported which reflected on his proceedings in Ireland 7 and 10 Petitions Orders and Books of Proceedings upon Paper-Petitions and of Entries relating to the Custom-House in Ireland sent for 7 8 Articles in maintainance of the Accusation of the said Earl 8