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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A87456	The justification of a safe and wel-grounded answer to the Scottish papers, printed under the name of Master Chaloner his speech: which, (whatsoever the animadvertor affirmes) doth maintaine the honour of the Parliament, and interest of the kingdome of England. Novemb. 23. 1646. Appointed to be printed, according to an order of the House of Commons.	England and Wales. Parliament. House of Commons.	1646 (1646)	Wing J1256; Thomason E363_11	6,958	16

also how the Kings Person may be disposed of for the equall good of both Kingdomes but the English onely are to be sole Judges thereof and to act thereupon as they themselves shall thinke fitting And so I thinke the Gentleman hath well provided for the Interest of England But now this Animadvertor begins to be so full of contradiction that he seemes to be the very abstract of it and thereupon cannot endure the word concrete and brings it in here once againe and would have an Ambassadour onely protected by the Law of Nations and is angry with the Gentleman because he affirmes that the Lawes of England doe protect him What the Law of Nations is other then certaine generall principles of Justice which nature hath infused into all men I see not for I am sure that all Nations did never yet meet together to make these Lawes neither doe they ever meet to punish them when they are broken but give mee leave to tell this Animadvertor that if the Law of England did not concur with the Law of Nations in punishing such as might violate the Priviledge of an Ambassadour I know not to what Tribunall that Ambassadour could appeale for the Gentleman faith truely in the fourteenth page That the English Nation being not subordinate to any power on Earth there is no power under heaven can judge them Neither hath an Ambassador any priviledge by the law of Nations farther then the particular or munificall law of that Nation unto whom hee is adressed will allow of For if an Ambassador will adventure to enter into a Country or State with whom his Master or Prince is either in actuall Warre or hath not contracted withal any confedracy that Ambassador is so far from being alowed any priviledge of an Embassador as he may justly be imprisoned and adjudged as a Spie at least an enemy and therefore no Ambassador of one Prince not in unity or confedracy with another can with safety enter into the other Princes Dominions without leave being first demanded and obtained from whence it followeth that what priviledge soever an Ambassador may pretend unto it is not the law of Nations but only the particular contract confedracy and agreement betwixt his Master and that Prince or State unto whom he is sent that can protect and defend him And whereas from the Gentlemans affirmation that no King can command any Subject of his being out of his Kingdome this Animadvertor will conclude that by the same reason the Parliament here cannot Command their Commissioners which they may send into Scotland but they must solely be disposed of by the supream power of that Kingdom In answere whereunto It is not to be doubted but that the supreame power in Scotland hath the Generall power in disposing of all persons whatsoever and their estates there according to the Lawes and customes of that Country yet not so neither but that particularly every man by leave of those Lawes and customes may command his owne Servant in his private affaires and dispose of his Estate as he shall think convenient provided that such command and disposall be not contrary to the said Lawes and customes so the Parliament of England sending Commissoners into Scotland have power to command them in their affaires as well as any Master there can command his servant and further as any treaty or contract made or to be made betwixt both the Kingdomes hath or may hereafter ad or deminish from the said power Then he objects that if a King of Scotland comming into England before the union should bee a Subject of England By the same reason the Prince of Wales is now a Subject of France and then his person is solely to be disposed of by the power of France and neither King nor Parliament have power to recal him To this I Answer as before that the Prince is now locally and pro tempore a Subiect of France and if he will not come home or the state of France will not suffer him so to doe we have no Authority to compell him Now he argueth from Analogie that if no man can be Rex but in Regno then cannot the Parliament of England be acknowledged a Parliament but in England This is such a wild Argument that I can hardly catch it For if all the Members and Speakers of both Houses should go out of England nay if they went but from Westminster to Lambeth without a Legall adjournment thither certainly their meeting there maks it no Parliament But as long as they meet at Westminster without disolution or adiournment to any other place their Commissioners in any other Kingdome or state are capable and may bee admitted to propound declare Treat or conclude in the name of both Houses But as if the Parl●ament should go into Spaine it is no Parliament there nor can give no lawes to them no more then it can give them Lawes whilst it resides here in England so a King of England being in Spaine though he reteine his dignity yet he hath no authority either to establish their lawes or stampe their Coyne no more then if he were in England And as other Nations may acknowledge the Parliament of England to be a Parliament though none of their Parliament so they may acknowledge a King of England to be a King live where he list but none of their King and as to them in way of protection and subiection which only makes a King no King at all In the 9 Animadversion he would faine incorporate our Brerhren of Scotland into our Parliament of England by making them our Fellowes But there be divers kinds of Fellowes besides fellowes at Football I acknowledge the Scotts to be our Fellowes and equalls but not in making of Lawes in England nor of Iudging or executing of those Lawes after they are made and so they can no more dipose of the King in England then come to our Parliaments in England Now for the story of King Iohn it will appeare that the argument which the Gentl. holds forth from the summons of King Iohn to answer in France is very materiall and proves apparently that a King hath no power to recall any of His Subjects they being out of his Kingdom for King Iohn not being summoned as King of England but as Duke of Normandy a Subject of France so was his summons adjudged voyd not because he was King of England but because hee was in England and not in France at the time of his summons Neither can any man see how this narration doth strengthen the Scotish Papers because the King of Engl. who is the person here summoned is at this time at Newcastle in Engl. which place though some of the Army there date their Letters from Newcastle in Scotland yet it was ingeniously confessed by the Scottish Commissioners as I am informed at the conference that it was as much English ground as Islington And therefore he being at this time Infra jurisdictionem Regni Angliae

and extra jurisdictionem Regni Scotiae the assertion is still made good and the state of Scotland nothing at all to doe with disposall of the Kings person And whereas the Animadvertor saith that the case is not alike King Iohn being King of one Kingdome and Subject of another and the person now in question being King of two Kingdomes under favour though hee have two Kingdomes yet hee is not here as King of Scotland but as King of England For if he were here in the Capacity of a King of Scotland he were a Subject and then you might know well enough what should become of the King of Scotland as you have formerly done of some of them who yet have plotted lesse then others have acted And whereas the Gentleman saith That these Kingdoms seeme to contend not so much who should have the Kings Person as who should not have it It must needs be a great griefe to both Kingdomes that the Kings heart is yet so farre from being reconciled to either people that they neither can have any joy or safety in his presence But whereas both Houses of Parliament have Voted the disposall of the Kings person to be onely belonging unto them they did wisly and uprightly in it for as they did therein uprightly because of right and Iustice it doth belong unto them for they did noe lesse wisly because they now see by deere experience that his being where hee is hath beene so litle for there Intrest as since his being there he hath made peace with the Irish Rebells sent his Sonne the prince into France maintained strong Intelligence with other Countries against them and is dayly flocked unto by Delinquents and Incendiaries insomuch as they receive litle iesse damage thereby then if he were at the head of an Army of Cavaliers In the last place this Animadvertor when he cannot answer the Gentleman then he will slander him and saith he doth this out of some Ancient discontent of his against the King certainly if he had not beene discontented with the Kings Actions long agoe hee could hardly have beene an honest man now for with out doubt all these warrs troubles and turmoyles which the Parliament and kingdome have felt these five yeares last past have beene occasioned from the many and Just discontents at the Kings evill Government And if this man be alone contented when all the kingdome hath such cause of discontent it is more then probable that he is and hath beene one of the procurers thereof It is a hard case that a Member of Parliament cannot vindicate the Intrest which the people of this kingdome have in the person of their King or desire that great Counsell to have a care of the safety of the Common wealth but it must bee attributed to former discontents and whereas he Recons up so many Oathes Protestations Declarations and Covenants made by the Parliament for the safety of the Kings person but never any mention at all of the safety of the Common-wealth it seems too much to savour of Malignity and of some late diipersed papers But as I could wish that this Animadvertor would remember how Kings are made by for the people but not the people either by or for the Kings so hee would consider that the end of Government is for the weale and safety of the people and not of the King further then his safety may be conducible to the other And if the Scots Commissioners did plainely affirme to the Committees of both Houses at the Conference that they could not admit of the Kings presence in Scotland because of the divisions and troubles of that Kingdome which hee might make such use of as to raise forces both against them and us what could this imply but that notwithstanding his person might be in safety in Scotland yet Scotland could not be in safety whilest his person was there And if they positively affirme it on their part may not we make a question of it on ours And now I have answered all that this Animadverter can say to the main of his Animadversions I will not give him over until I see an end of what he can say besides And first how the Scotts may like the Gent. Speach for the matter of it it being as he saith so malliable I wonder no better a Hammer was put to it And if the Intelligent reader as hee saith be of the opinion that this speech which was delivered but upon once hearing of the Scottish papers read doth notwithstanding very much fortifie the said papers how much more will the House of Commons fortifie them when they deliver in their Answer thereunto after due consideration had of every word and sillable And whereas he doubts whether it will have a favourable aspect from the Parliament either for the matter or expression For the matter since the Gent. doth but Assert their Votes they would be very forgetfull of their owne interest if they should be offended thereat For the Acrimonious expressions I know of none but could have wished that in divers late printed papers some expressions and prejudgements how that disposing may be deposing or worse might have beene altogether omitted since the constant indulgence of the English Nation to their Kings farre above some of their Neighbours never merited to be dishonoured by such an unworthy conceit and as the very stirring of this Question tends to debates and differences so will such provoking language but increase and foment it Now to take my leave of this Animadvertor if he be a Divine I shall desire him to follow his preaching and give over States matters ill becomming ●hat profession If he be a Paedagogue that hee will Lash his Boyes and not Parliaments If he be an Alien hee will go home to his Country since we have Incendiaries enough of our owne from whom and from all treacherous and underm ineing designers I will conclude with his owne Letany Good Lord deliver us FINIS