the Examination of a Case Capital What the importance of this phrase of full Parlament is will best appear by the use of it in the Records of that time 4 Ed. III. n. 6. Et est assentu accorde per nostre Seigneur le Roi touz les Grantz en pleyn Parlement Where it was agreed that the procedings at that time by the Lords against those who were not Peers should not be drawn into consequence and that the Peers should be charged onely to try Peers Which hath all the formality of an Act of Parlament and therefore all the Estates were present n. 8. Accorde est per nostre Seigneur le Roi son Conseil en pleyn Parlement Which was an Act of Pardon concerning those who followed the Earl of Lancaster 5 Ed. III. n. 10. we have the particular mention of the Bishops as some of those who do make a full Parlament Accorde est per nostre Seigneur le Roi Prelatz Countes Barons autres Grantz du Roialm en pleyn Parlement and n. 17. En pleyn Parlement si prierent les Prelatz Countes Barons autres Grantz de mesme le Parlement a nostre Seigneur le Roi c. 6 Ed. III. n. 5. the Archbishop of Canterbury made his Oration en pleyn Parlement which is explained by en la presence nostre Seigneur le Roi de touz les Prelatz autres Grantz n. 9. Si est accorde assentu per touz en pleyn Parlement who those were we are told before in the same number viz. les Prelatz Countes Baronns touz les autres somons a mesme le Parlement Which is the clearest explication of full Parlament in the presence of all those who were summon'd to Parlament From whence it follows that where a full Parlament was mention'd at that time the Bishops were certainly present and consequently did assist at the Trial of Thomas Lord Berkely who appeared before the King in full Parlament as Nich. de Segrave did 33 Ed. I. and there the Bishops are expresly mention'd as present as appears by what hath been said before concerning his Case 5 H. IV. Henry Hotspur Son to the Earl of Northumberland was declared a Traitour by the King and Lords in full Parlament and the same day the Father was upon examination acquitted of Treason by the Peers It is not said that this was done in full Parlament as the other was but there are several circumstances which make it very probable the Bishops were then present 1. When the Earl of Northumberland took his Oath of Fidelity to the King he did it saith the Record upon the Cross of the Archbishop which was to be carried before him if he went out of the House 2. The Archbishop of Canterbury pray'd the King that forasmuch as himself and other Bishops were suspected to be in Piercie's Conspiracy that the Earl might upon his Oath declare the truth who thereupon did clear them all Which shews that the Archbishop was then present in the House And for the same reason that he was present we may justly suppose the other Bishops to have been so too 3. The Earl of Northumberland beseeched the Lords and Earls and Commoners that if he brake this Oath they would intercede no more with the King for him Now the better to understand this we are to consider that H. IV. takes notice in his declaration upon the Rebellion of Sir Henry Piercy that the Earl of Northumberland and his Son gave out that they could have no access to the King but by the Mediation of the Bishops and Earls and therefore did beseech them to intercede with the King for them It is not then probable that those should be now left out when the words are large enough to comprehend them and no one circumstance is brought to exclude them For that general one of their not being Peers will be fully refuted afterwards But that which puts this out of dispute is 4. that the Record saith n. 17. the Commons not onely gave the King thanks for the pardon of the Earl of Northumberland but the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in these remarkable words Et auâ—i mesmes les CoÌ„es remercierment les Seigneurs Espirituelx Temporelx de lour bon droiturell judgment quils avoient fait come Piers du Parlement And likewise the Commons gave thanks to the Lords Spiritual and Temporal for the good and right Iudgment which they had given in this case as Peers of Parlament Which is a clear Precedent of the Bishops judging in a Capital Case and that as Peers 2 H. VI. n. 9. Iohn Lord Talbott had accused Iames Boteler Earl of Ormond of sundry Treasons before the King and his great Council and after before Iohn Duke of Bedford Constable of England The King takes advice of his Parlament about it and then it is expresly said in the Record De avisamento assensit Dominorum Spiritualium Temporalium ac Communitatis Regni Anglie in eodem Parlamento existent ' facta fuit quedam abolitio delationis nuntiationis detectionis predict c. Here the King adviseth with the Lords Spiritual in an accusation of Treason and therefore they must be present in the debates concerning it I leave now any considerate person to judge impartially on which side the Right lies For on the one side 1. There is the Constitution of Clarendon interpreted by H. II. and the Bishops at Northampton 2. A Protestation of their Right enter'd and allowed by King Lords and Commons 11 R. II. 3. A Reversing of Iudgments owned by Parlament for want of their presence 21 R. II. 4. A Preserving of their Right by Proxie when they thought their Personal attendance contrary to the Canons 5. A Bar to a total discontinuance of their personal Right by an allowed Precedent 28 H. VI. 6. A Restoring them to their former Right by removing of the force of the Canon-Law upon the Reformation 7. No one Law or Precedent produced for excluding them even in those Times when they thought the Canons did forbid their presence 8. Several Precedents upon Record wherein they were present at Examinations and Debates about Cases Capital On the other side 1. The Precedents are General and Negative 2. Or relating to such Cases wherein they are allowed to be present 3. Or of Iudgments condemned as erroneous by Parlament 4. Or of voluntary Withdrawing with Protestation of their Right and making of Proxies 5. Or of not being present at the passing of Iudgment out of regard to the Canon-Law And now on which side the Right lies let the Authour of the Letter himself judge CHAP. IV. The Peerage of the Bishops cleared how far they make a third Estate in Parlament Objections against it answered THERE remain Two things to be considered which are put in by way of Postscript by the Authour of the Letter the one concerns the Peerage of the Bishops the other their Being a Third Estate in Parlament 1.
In his absence the People refuse to pay the Taxes and the Lords combine together and all things tend to an open Rebellion His Son Ed. II. calls a Parlament at London and promises a Confirmation of the Charter and that no Taxes should hereafter be raised either on Clergy or Laiety without their consent Which being sent over Edw. I. confirmed it with his own Seal which was all done within the compass of this year But he again ratified it in the Parlament 27 Ed. I. So that nothing was done in that Parlament at S. Edmondsbury but granting a 12 th of the Laiety to the King And when the great Laws were passed the King and Clergy were reconciled and they sate in Parlament And the Archbishop of Canterbury fell into the King's displeasure afterwards for being so active a promoter of them The summe then of this mighty argument is that the Lords and Commons once granted their own Subsidies without the concurrence of the Clergy therefore the Clergy are no essential part of the parlament 3. The Reason assigned in Keilway's Reports why the King may hold a Parlament without the Bishops is very insufficient viz. because they have no place in Parlament by reason of their Spiritualty but by reason of their Temporal possessions The insufficiency of which Reason will appear by two things 1. That it is not true as appears by this that the Clergy are one of the Estates of the Kingdom and all the Estates of the Kingdom must be represented in Parlament 2. Were it true it is no good Reason For why may they be excluded because they sit on the account of their Baronies Where lies the force of this Reason Is it because there will be Number enough without them That was the Rump's Argument against the Secluded Members And I hope the Authour of the Letter will not justify their Cause Or is it because they hold their Baronies by Tenure So did all the ancient Barons of England and why may the King hold his Parlament with the other Barons without the Bishops and not as well with the Bishops without the other Barons Which I do not see how it can be answer'd upon those grounds Suppose the Question had been thus put Since all the ancient Lords of Parlament were Barons by Tenure and Parlaments were held for many Ages without any Barons by Patent or by Writ why may not the King hold his Parlament after the ancient way onely with Barons by Tenure I do not see but as good a Reason may be given for this as that in Keilway's Reports All that I plead for is that our good ancient and legal Constitution of Parlament may not be changed for the sake of any single Precedents and rare Cases and obscure Reports built upon weak and insufficient Reasons For as the Authour of the Letter very well saith Consuetudo Parlamenti est Lex Parlamenti The constant Practice of Parlaments and not one single Instance is the Law of Parlaments And suppose that Precedent of 25 Ed. I. as full as could be wished in this case yet I return the answer of the Authour of the Letter in a like case This is but one single Precedent of a Parlament without Bishops against multitudes wherein they were present it was once so and never but once And can that be thought sufficient to alter and change the constant course and practice of Parlaments which hath been otherwise Nothing now remains but a severe reflexion on the Popish Bishops for opposing the Statute of Provisors and the several good Acts for the Reformation But what this makes against the Votes of Protestant Bishops is hard to understand If he thinks those could not make a good Third Estate in Parlament who took Oaths to the Pope contrary to their Allegeance and the interest of the Nation so do we If he have a great zeal for the Reformation so have all true Members of the Church of England who we doubt not will heartily maintain the Cause of our Church against the Vsurpations of Rome though the heat of others should abate For did not our Protestant Bishops seal the Reformation with their Bloud and defend it by their admirable Writings What Champions hath the Protestant Religion ever had to be compared in all respects with our Cranmer â—idley Iewel Bilson Morton Hall Davenant and many other Bishops of the Church of England And notwithstanding the hard fortune Archbishop Laud had in other respects not to be well understood in the Age he lived in yet his enemies cannot deny his Book to be written with as much strength and judgment against the Church of Rome as any other whatsoever I shall conclude with saying that the Clergy of the Church of England have done incomparably more Service against Popery from the Reformatition to this day then all the other Parties among us put together And that the Papists at this time wish for nothing more then to see men under a pretence of Zeal against Popery to destroy our Church and while they cry up Magna Charta to invade the legal Rights thereof and thereby break the first Chapter of it and from disputing the Bishops presence in Cases Capital to proceed to others and so by degrees to alter the ancient Constitution of our Parlaments which will unavoidably bring Anarchy and Confusion upon us from which as well as Popery Good Lord deliver us THE END Letter p. 1. 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THE GRAND QUESTION Concerning the Bishops Right To VOTE in PARLAMENT In Cases Capital STATED and ARGUED FROM The Parlament-Rolls and the History of former Times WITH An Enquiry into their Peerage and the Three Estates in Parlament LONDON Printed for M. P. and sold by Richard Rumball Book-binder at the Ball and Coffin in the Old Change 1680. THE CONTENTS CHAP. I. THE Question stated and general Prejudices removed CHAP. II. The Right in point of Law debated Concerning the Constitution of Clarendon and the Protestation 11. R. 2. CHAP. III. The Precedents on both sides laid down those against the Bishops examined and answered CHAP. IV. The Peerage of the Bishops cleared how far they make a third Estate in Parlament Objections against it answered CHAP. 1. The Question stated and general Prejudices removed THE Question in debate as it is stated by the Authour of the Letter is Whether the Bishops may be present and Vote Iudicially in Capital Cases which come to be judged in Parlament either in giving the Iudgment it self or in resolving and determining any circumstance preparatory and leading to that Iudgment For our better proceeding towards a Resolution of this Question it will be necessary to take notice of some things granted on both sides which may prevent needless disputes and be of great use in the following Debate 1. It is granted That the Bishops do sit in Parlament by virtue of their Baronies and are bound to serve the King there And one part of the Service due to the King there is to sit in Iudgment for the Authour of the Book entitled The Iurisdiction of the House of Peers asserted proves at large that the Right of Iudicature belongs to the Barons in Parlament and that the Lords Spiritual have a considerable share therein appears by this passage in the Title-page of that Book translated into English The Iudgment of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal is according to the Vse and Custom of Parlament The Vse and Custom of Parlament is the Law of Parlament The Law of Parlament is the Law of England The Law of England is the Law of the Land The Law of the Land is according to Magna Charta Therefore the Iudgment of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal is according to Magna Charta Some Right then of Iudicature in Parlament the Bishops have by Magna Charta which whatever it be is as much theirs by that Charter as any Right of Temporal Persons and cannot be invaded or taken from them without breach of that Charter any more then the Rights of the Lords Temporal or of any other Persons whatsoever But how far that Right doth extend is now the thing in Question 2. It is not denied that the Bishops do sit in Parlament by the same kind of Writs that other Barons do They are summon'd to advise and debate about the great and difficult Affairs of the Kingdom cum Praelatis Magnatibus Proceribus dicti Regni nostri Angliae colloquium habere tractatum i. e. to joyn therein with the Bishops and other Lords of the Kingdom So that by the King 's Writ of Summons they are impower'd and requir'd to confer and treat of all the weighty Affairs that shall be brought before them And no Instance is so much as offer'd to be produced of any Writ wherein the King doth limit and restrain the Bishops any more then any other Lords of Parlament as to any matter of Consultation or Point of Judicature belonging to that House They have then by their Writ of Summons as good right to sit in all Cases as in any and since the other Lords by their Writs are summoned to advise with the Prelates in all matters that shall come before them without limitation it is not to be conceived how this can be done if the Bishops in some of the most important Debates be excluded 3. It is yielded That if the House proceeds in a Legislative way by passing Bills of Attainder the Bishops have a Right to sit and Vote therein as well as other Lords at these it is said that the Bishops are or should be all present at the passing of them for then they act as Members of the House of Lords in their Legislative capacity But men do as certainly die that are condemned in the Legislative as in the Iudicial Way Is not this then really as much a Case of Bloud as the other If the Bishops should give their Votes in the Legislative way to condemn a Person for Treason and yet think they had not Voted in a Case of Bloud they would then indeed be like Chaucer's Frier mention'd by the Authour of the Letter that would have of a Capon the Liver and of a Pig the Head yet would that nothing for him should be dead Doth a Bill of Attainder cut of a man's Head without making it a Case of Bloud There can be then no objection now made against the Bishops Right from any Canons of the Church for those allow no such distinction of proceeding in the Legislative or Iudicial Way And the late Authour of the Peerage and Iurisdiction of the Lords Spiritual doth grant that the Canons do prohibit the Bishops voting in Bills of Attainder as much as in any Case whatsoever But we are not to suppose a Person of such abilities as the Authour of the Letter would go about to exclude the Bishops from their Right of Voting in a Iudicial way in Cases Capital unless there were some great appearance of Law on his side because he professes so great a Desire that Right may prevail and that his design in writing was to satisfy himself and others where that Right is The discovery whereof is our present business Yet before the Authour of the Letter comes to a close debate of the matter of Right he lets fall some general Insinuations to create a prejudice in the Reader 's mind as to the Bishops meddling at all in Secular Affairs as though it were inconsistent with their Function and with some passages in the Imperial Law And because men may sometimes doe more harm by what they tell us they will not say then by what they do say it will be fit to prevent the danger of such Insinuations before we come to consider his Arguments 1. The first is that meddling at all in Secular Affairs seems to be the doing that which the Apostles declared they would not doe viz. leave the Word of God and serve Tables But are all Persons of Estates now bound to part with them as the Christians then did The serving of Tables was a full employment and they who attended that Office were the Treasurers of the Church to distribute to every one as they judged fit out of the common Stock Is it no Service to God to doe Justice and to shew Mercy to attend upon the publick Affairs of the Kingdom when they are called to it by their Sovereign Or are all Bishops now
them in Capital Causes seems to be of equal force against this Precedent viz. That this Parlament of the 21 R. II. and all that was done in it was repeal'd in the 1 H. IV. And if that be so and those Acts of State which then passed had not again been repealed 1 Ed. IV. then the Repealing of that of 1. Ed. III. signifies nothing and consequently the Affirmance of the first Iudgment against the two Spencers is good notwithstanding that Repeal And therefore that we may examine this matter to the bottom I shall set down the very words of the Authour of the Letter concerning it Speaking of the Declaration made by the Lawyers in the 10 Ed. IV. concerning the Bishops making a Procurator in Capital Causes he hath these words It is true here is mention made of their making a Proctor which was Error temporis the Errour of those times grounded upon what was so lately done as they looked upon it though irregularly done in the last Parlament of R. II. whom they consider'd as their lawfull King and in truth he was so the three Henry's that came between being but Vsurpers And again speaking of the same business of a Proctor in the 21 R. II. he hath this remarkable passage I have already shewed that this whole Parlament was repeal'd for the extravagant things that were done in it of which this was one And therefore nothing that was then done can signifie any thing to a leading case any ways to be followed and this as little as any except it could be made appear which I am confident it cannot that some Iudgment had been reversed upon that account because the Prelats were not present and had not given their assent to it Now if I can make out these two things 1. That the Parlament of R. II. was not legally repeal'd 2. That the Iudgment against the two Spencers was revers'd and that the Repeal of that Reversal in 1 Ed. III. was revok'd in 21 R. II. upon this very account because the Prelats were not present and had not given their assent to it I hope the Authour of the Letter will be satisfy'd that both this Precedent and the Case of a Proctor are very significant in this Cause and that there is a great difference between being confident and certain of any thing 1. That the Parlament of 21 R. II. was not legally repeal'd And for this I take the Authour 's own acknowledgment that R. II. was in truth lawfull King and that H. IV. was but an Vsurper Nay I add farther that R. II. was alive and in prison when H. IV. repeal'd the Parlament of 21 R. II. For so it is said in the very Act of Repeal that R. II. late King of England was pursued taken put in ward and yet remaineth in ward And now I leave it to the Authour of the Letter whether a Parlament call'd by a lawfull King and the Acts of it ought to be deem'd legally repeal'd by a Parlament that was call'd by an Usurper and held whilst the lawfull King was alive and detain'd in prison 2. That the Iudgment against the two Spencers was revers'd and the Repeal of the Reversal of it in 1 Ed. III. revok'd in 21 R. II. and that upon this very account because the Prelats were not present and had not given their assent to it which the Authour of the Letter is confident cannot be made appear That this Iudgment was reversed for this Reason I have already shewn viz. in the Parlament at York 15 Ed. II. And I shall now shew that the Repeal of that Reversal in 1 Edw. III. was revok'd in 21 R. II. and that upon the account mentioned For in this Parlament Tho. le Despenser Earl of Gloucester exhibited two Bills in which he prayeth that the Revocation of the Exile of the two Spencers in 15 Ed. II. might be brought before the King and confirmed and that the Repeal of the same made in the 1 Ed. III. might be revoked Of which Act of Repeal these Errours are assigned among others because the Prelats who are Peers of the Realm did not assent to the Iudgment and because it was made onely by the Earls and Barons Peers of the Realm c. and because it was made against the form of the Great Charter of England in which it is contain'd that no man shall be exil'd or otherwise destroyed but by the lawfull Iudgment of his Peers or by the Law of the Land So that it seems it was look'd upon as a breach of the Great Charter for the Temporal Lords to condemn a Peer without the Assent of the Bishops and that such a Iudgment was not esteem'd a lawfull Iudgment by his Peers And those Errours of the first Iudgment assign'd in the Revocation of it in 15 Ed. II. are allowed in this Parlament of 21 R. II. and that Revocation confirm'd and the Repeal of it in 1 Ed. III. revok'd upon the same account I shall onely observe that in this Parlament as before in 15 Ed. II. the Bishops are declared to be Peers Peers of the Realm Rot. 55. Peers in Parlament Rot. 56. 61 but most fully and distinctly in the Roll last cited Peers of the Realm in Parlament Of which farther use may be made in the last Chapter concerning the Peerage of the Bishops And now to sum up the force of this Precedent for the Iurisdiction of the Bishops in Cases of Treason Here is a Reversal of a Iudgment because made without the Assent of the Prelats by the Parlament at York in 15 Ed. II. And whereas it is said this Reversal was repeal'd and the first Iudgment affirm'd in 1 Ed. III. I have shew'd that this was no legal Repeal because Ed. II. was alive and lawfull King or else Ed. III. could never have been so in the time of that first Parlament of Ed. III. and consequently Ed. III. at that time was an Usurper and the Proceedings of that Parlament null and void So that the Reversal in 15 Ed. II. stands good notwithstanding the Repeal in 1 Ed. III. Besides that this Repeal whatever it was is solemnly revok'd in 21 R. II. And H. IV. who revers'd all the Proceedings of the Parlament of 21 R. II. during the life of R. II. is acknowledg'd by the Authour of the Letter to have been an Vsurper and R. II. to have been a lawfull King And now I think that this Precedent hath all the advantage that can be and that the Iurisdiction of the Bishops in Cases of Treason could not have been asserted in a higher manner then to have a Iudgment in Case of Treason solemnly revers'd in two Parlaments for this very cause because the Bishops who are Peers assented not to it And this Precedent own'd by the House of Commons in their Petition to have a Common Proctor appointed by the Clergy in this very Parlament of 21 R. II. as is acknowledg'd by the Authour of the Letter
Judge then bare Inheritance of Honour can do But to give a full Answer to this Argument on which that Authour lays so much weight and challenges any Person to give a rational account wherein the advantage of a man's being tried by his Peers doth consist I shall 1 shew that this was not the Reason of Trial by Peers 2 give a brief account of the true and original Reason of it 1. That this was not the Reason 1. Not in the Judgment of the Peers themselves as that Authour hath himself sufficiently proved when he takes so much pains to prove p. 3. that a Writ of Summons to Parlament doth not ennoble the Bloud and consequently doth not put persons into equality of Circumstances with those whose Bloud is ennobled and yet he grants that those who sate in the House of Peers by virtue of their Summons did judge as Peers as is manifest from his own Precedents p. 15. from the 4 Edw. 3. From whence it follows that this was not thought to be the Reason by the Peers themselves in Parlament 2. That this was not the Reason in the Judgment of our greatest Lawyers because they tell us that where this Reason holds yet it doth not make men Judges As for instance those who are ennobled by Bloud if they be not Lords of Parlament are not to be Judges in the case of one ennobled by Bloud Onely a Lord of the Parlament of England saith Coke shall be tried by his Peers being Lords of Parlament and neither Noblemen of any other Country nor others that are called Lords and are no Lords of Parlament are accounted Pares Peers within this Statute Therefore the Parity is not of Bloud but of Privilege in Parlament 3. The Practice it self shews that this was not the Reason For this Reason would equally hold whether the Trial be at the King's Suit or the Suit of the party but in the latter case as in an appeal for Murther a man whose bloud is ennobled must be tried by those whose bloud is not ennobled even by an Ordinary Iury of 12 men And I desire our Authour to consider what becomes of the inheritable quality of Bloud in this case when Life and Fortune lies at the mercy of 12 substantial Free-holders who it is likely do not set such a value upon Nobility as Noble-men themselves do and yet our Law which surely is not against Magna Charta allows an Ordinary Iury at the Suit of the party to sit in Judgment upon the greatest Noble-men Therefore this Reason can signifie nothing against the Bishops who are Lords in Parlament as I have already proved 2. I shall give a brief account of the true and original Reason of this Trial by Peers without which that Authour it seems is resolved to conclude that the Iurisdiction of the Bishops in Capital Cases is an abuse of Magna Charta and a Violation offer'd to the Liberties of English Subjects As to the general Reason of the Trial by Peers it is easie to conceive it to have risen from the care that was taken to prevent any unfair proceedings in what did concern the Lives and Fortunes of men From hence Tacitus observes of the old Germans that their Princes who were chosen in their great Councils to doe justice in the several Provinces had some of the People joyned with them both for Advice and Authority These were Assessours to the Judges that mens lives and fortunes might not depend on the pleasure of one man and they were chosen out of the chief of the People none but those who were born free being capable of this honour In the latter times of the German State before the subduing it by Charlemagn some learned men say their Iudges were chosen out of the Colleges of Priests especially among the Saxons After their being conquer'd by him there were 2 Courts of Judicature established among them as in other parts of the German Empire 1. One ordinary and Popular viz. by the Comites or great Officers sent by the Emperour into the several Districts and the Scabini who were Assistants to the other and were generally chosen by the People The number of these at first was uncertain but in the Capitulars they are required to be seven who were always to assist the Comes in passing Judgments But Ludovicus Pius in his second Capitular A. D. 819. c. 2. enlarged their number to 12. And if they did not come along with him they were to be chosen out of the most substantial Free-holders of the County for the words are De melioribus illius Comitatûs suppleat numerum duodenarium This I take to be the true Original of our Juries For our Saxon Laws were taken very much from the Laws of the Christian Emperours of the Caroline Race as I could at large prove if it were not impertinent to our business and thence discover a great mistake of our Lawyers who make our ancient Laws and Customs peculiar to our selves As in this very case of Trial by Peers which was the common practice of these parts of the World Therefore Otto Frisingensis takes notice of it as an unusual thing in Hungary Nulla sententia à Principe sicut apud nos moris est per pares suos exposcitur sola sed Principis voluntas apud omnes pro ratione habetur that they were not judged by their Peers but by the Will of their Prince Which shews that this way of Trial was looked on as the practice of the Empire and as preventing the inconveniences of arbitrary Government And it was established in the Laws of the Lombards and the Constitutions of Sicily In the one it is said to be Iudicium Parium in the other proborum virorum In the Saxon Laws of King Ethelred at Wanting c. 4. 12 Freemen are appointed to be sworn to doe Iustice among their neighbours in every Hundred Those in the Laws of Alfred are rather 12 Compurgators then Iudges however some make him the Authour of the Trial by Peers in England But by whomsoever it was brought into request here it was no other way of Trial then what was ordinary in other parts of Europe and was a great instance of the moderation of the Government of the Northern Kingdoms 2. There was an extraordinary or Royal Court of Iudicature and that either by way of Appeal which was allowed from inferiour Courts or in the Causes of Great men which were reserved to this Supreme Court. In which either the King himself was present or the Comes Palatii who was Lord High Steward and all the Great persons were Assessours to him In such a Court Brunichildis was condemned in France and Tassilo Duke of Bavaria in the Empire and Ernestus and other Great men A. D. 861 and Erchingerus and Bartoldus under Conradus the last of the French Race And among the Causes expresly reserved for this Supreme Court were those which concerned the Prelats as well as the
Nobles Vt Episcopi Abbates Comites potentiores quique si causam inter se habuerint ac se pacificare noluerint ad nostram jubeantur venire praesentiam neque illorum contentio aliubi judicetur But in this Court they challenged that as their privilege to be tried by their Peers who were called Pares Curiae So the Emperour Sigismund in his Protestation before the States of the Empire Cùm secundùm juris communis dispositionem nec non usum morem stylum consuetudinem sacri Romani Imperii feudalis contentio per Dominum feudi ac Pares Curiae terminanda sit c. And again nisi Parium nostrae Curiae arbitrio So likewise in France as Tilius saith Haec judiciorum ratio ut de causis feudalibus judicent Feudales Pares in Gallia est perantiqua So in Fulbertus one Count sends word to another that their Cause should not be determin'd nisi in Conventu Parium suorum And many other examples might be produced but these are sufficient to make us understand the true Original of this Right of Peerage which was from the Feodal Laws and all those who held of the same Lord and by the same Tenure were said to be Pares Peers And therefore since the Bishops in England were Barons by Tenure ever since William I. by consequence they were Peers to other Barons and had the same original Right of Trial by other Barons as their Peers holding by the same Tenure and sitting in the same Court. And thus I hope I have given what that Authour so impatiently desired viz. a rational account of the Trial by Peers and have thereby shewed that this is so far from being any disadvantage to the Bishops Cause that it adds very much to the Iustice of it And that this is so far from being a violation of Magna Charta that it is within the intention and meaning of it I thus prove In the 14. ch of Magna Charta we read Comites Barones non amercientur nisi per Pares suos but by the Common Law the Amerciament of a Bishop is the same with that of a Lay-Baron and therefore in the sense of the Law they are looked on as Peers And all the Parlamentary Barons whether Bishops or Abbots were amerced as Barons Thence 15 Edw. 2. a Writ was directed to the Justices of the Common Pleas that they should not amerce the Abbot of Crowland tanquam Baro because he did not hold per Baroniam aut partem Baroniae And it is confessed by the most learned Lawyers that the Lords Spiritual do enjoy the same legal Privileges in other respects which the Temporal Barons do as in real Actions to have a Knight returned in their Iury as to a day of Grace hunting in the King's Forests Scandalum Magnatum c. Now since the Law of England allows onely a double Parity viz. as to Lords of Parlament and Commons whether Knights Esquires Gentlemen or Yeomen without any consideration of the great inequality of circumstances among them Yeomen having as little sense of Gentility as Commons can have of the privileges of Nobles it is apparent that this Trial by Peers was not founded upon equality of circumstances and that in all reason those who do enjoy the legal Privileges of Peers are to be looked on as such by Magna Charta But the great Objection is that the Lawyers are of another opinion as to this Trial by Peers and not onely the common sort who take all upon Trust which they find in the modern Law-Books but those who have searched most into Antiquity such as Mr. Selden and Sir Edw. Coke To this therefore I answer 1. The Authour of the Peerage c. proves the Bishops are not Peers because not to be tried by Peers This consequence Mr. Selden utterly denies for he saith it is true and plain that the Bishops have been Peers For which he quotes the Bishop of Winchester's Case who was question'd in the King's Bench for leaving the Parlament at Salisbury in the beginning of Ed. III. and he pleaded to the declaration quod ipse est unus e Paribus Regni that he was one of the Peers of the Realm which he saith was allowed in Court And from other Book-cases and Parlament-Rolls he there evidently proves that the Bishops were Peers which he not onely asserts in that confused Rhapsodie which went abroad under his name but in his elaborate Work of the last Edition of his Titles of Honour in which he corrected and left out the false or doubtfull passages of his first Edition And among the rest that passage wherein this Authour triumphs A Bishop shall not be tried by Peers in Capital Crimes The same thing I confess is said in the Privileges of the Baronage which he there calls a point of Common Law as it is distinguished from Acts of Parlament i. e. the custom and practice hath been so And the onely evasion he hath for Magna Charta is this that it is now to be interpreted according to the current practice and not by the literal interpretation of the Words Which is an admirable answer if one well considers it and justifies all violations of Magna Charta if once they obtain and grow into Custom For then no matter for the express words of Magna Charta if the contrary practice hath been received and allowed in legal proceedings This is to doe by Magna Charta as the Papists doe by the Scriptures viz. make it a meer Nose of Wax and say it is to be interpreted according to the Practice of the Church 2. Some things are affirmed about this matter with as great assurance as this is which have not been the constant practice Coke is positive that Bishops are not to be tried by their Peers but so he is in the same page that a Nobleman cannot wave his Trial by his Peers and put himself upon the Trial of the Countrey Whereas it is said in the Record 4 Ed. III. that Thomas Lord Berkely ponit se super Patriam put himself upon his Countrey and was tried by a Jury of 12 Knights And 28 H. VI. the Duke of Suffolk declined the Trial of his Peers and submitted to the King's mercy By which it appears that this was a Privilege which was not to be denied them if they challenged it but at least before 15 Ed. III. they might wave it if they pleased and after that too if they were tried out of Parlament For this Trial by Peers was intended for a security against arbitrary Power in taking away mens Lives and therefore it was allowed at the King's Suit but not at the Suit of the Party But if Bishops were tried out of Parlament and did voluntarily decline the challenge of this Privilege this is no argument at all against their Right of Peerage and so I find some say it was in the Case of Fisher Bishop of
Angliae tam viri Ecclesiastici quà m Seculares And in the Writs of Summons the distinction hath been always preserved between the Praelati and the Magnates for in those to the Bishops it is cum caeteris Praelatis Magnatibus c. in those to the Temporal Lords cum Praelatis Magnatibus c. In those to the Bishops they were commanded in Fide Dilectione quibus nobis tenemini in those to the Temporal Lords in Fide Homagio or since Ed. III. in Fide Ligeancia Which shews that they were not summon'd meerly as Temporal Barons 4. The Authour of the Letter confesseth the Clergy to be one of the three Estates of the Kingdom but denies them to be one of the three Estates in Parlament From whence I argue thus Either the Clergy must be represented in Parlament or one of the Estates of the Kingdom is not at all represented there And if one of the Estates of the Kingdom be not there represented how can it be a perfect Representative So that this distinction of the Three Estates of the Kingdom and the Three Estates in Parlament unavoidably overthrows the Parlament's being a compleat Representative But in 23 H. VIII n. 33. as Mr. Petyt observes there is this passage in the Parlament-Rolls It is considered and declared by the whole Body of this Realm now represented by all the Estates of the same assembled in this present Parlament Therefore all the Estates of the Kingdom must be represented in Parlament And 1 Eliz. c. 3. The Lords Spiritual and Temporal and the Commons are said to represent in Parlament the Three Estates of the Realm From whence it follows that according to the sense of the Parlament if the Clergy be an Estate of the Kingdom as he saith they are they must be represented in Parlament or the whole Body of the Realm cannot be there represented 2. We now come to consider the weight of Authority in this matter For which I shall premise two things 1. That the whole Parlament assembled are the best Judges which are the Three Estates in Parlament and their Authority is more to be valued then that of any particular Persons whether Lawyers or others 2. That no Parlaments can give better Testimony in this matter then those which have assumed most to themselves For if there be Three Estates in Parlament and the Bishops be none then the King must be one of the Three as the Authour of the Letter insinuates throughout this discourse and the natural consequence from hence seems to be a co-ordination or that two joyning together may over-rule the third Therefore in all Reason if any Parlaments would have made the King one of the Three Estates it would have been either the Parlament 1 H. IV. which deposed one King and set up another or that 1 R. III. which disinherited the Children of Ed. IV. and set up their Uncle I shall therefore first from the Rolls of these two Parlaments shew which are the Three Estates in Parlament and from them evidently prove that the King is none but the Bishops are the Third Estate I begin with the Parlament 1 H. IV. By the Rolls it appears 1. That R. II. appointed two Procurators to declare his Resignation of the Crown coram omnibus Statibus Regni before all the States of the Kingdom From whence it unavoidably follows 1. that the King was none of them 2. that the Estates of the Kingdom and the Estates in Parlament are the same thing 2. Among the Articles against R. II. one is concerning the Impeachment of Tho. Archbishop of Canterbury coram Rege omnibus Statibus Regni before the King and all the Estates of the Realm The King then was none of the Estates 3. The Commissioners for the sentence of Deposition are said to be appointed per Pares Proceres Regni Anglie Spirituales Temporales ejusdem Regni Communitates omnes Status ejusdem Regni representantes by the Peers and Lords Spiritual and Temporal and the Commons of the Kingdom representing all the States of the Kingdom Where observe 1. The Bishops are called Peers as well as the Temporal Lords 2. The Estates of the Parlament are to represent all the Estates of the Kingdom 3. The Three Estates in Parlament are the Lords Spiritual the Lords Temporal and the Commons of the Realm and Fabian expresly calls them the Three Estates of this present Parlament representing the whole Body of the Realm In the Rolls of Parlament 1 R. III. it is recorded that before his Coronation certain Articles were deliver'd unto him in the name of the Three Estates of the Realm of England that is to say of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and of the Commons by name c. Now forasmuch as neither the said Three Estates neither the said Persons which in their name presented and deliver'd as it is afore said the said Roll unto our said Sovereign Lord the King were assembled in form of Parlament divers Doubts have been moved c. Now by the said Three Estates assembled in this present Parlament and by Authority of the same be ratified and enrolled c. Upon which Mr. Pryn himself makes this Marginal Note The Three Estates must concurr to make a Parlament no one or two of them being a full or real Parlament but all conjoyned But lest I should seem to take advantage onely of these two Parlaments I shall now shew this to have been the constant sense of the Parlaments as will appear by these following Records In 1 H. VI. n. 12. All the Estates of the Realm are said to be assembled in Parlament 3 H. VI. n. 19. the Three Estates assembled in this present Parlament 6 H. VI. n. 24. the Duke of Gloucester desired an explanation of his Power as Protector in the Answer drawn up by the Lords appointed for that purpose it is alledged that H. V. could not by his last Will nor otherwise alter change or abroge without the Assent of the Three Estates nor commit or grant to any Person Governance or Rule of this Land longer then he lived Nevertheless they adde It was advised and appointed by the Authority of the King assenting the Three Estates of this Realm Which shews how far the King was from being thought one of the Three Estates in Parlament at that time 10 H. VI. n. 17. Ralph Lord Cromwell put in a Petition to the Parlament that he was discharged the Office of King's Chamberlain in a way contrary to the Articles for the Council sworn 8 H. VI. coram tribus Regni Statibus before the Three Estates of the Realm as they were assembled in Parlament which appears by the Record 8 H. VI. n. 27. 11 H. VI. n. 10. The Duke of Bedford appeared in Parlament and declared the Reasons of his coming coram Domino Rege tribus Regni Statibus before the King and the Three Estates of the Realm as it is in the Record but
it Since it is agreed on both sides that the Bishops do sit in the House as Temporal Barons and in that respect do make up the Majority of Votes in the House of Lords it could not but seem unreasonable that they who voted as Barons in the House should have a Negative voice in another capacity and by this means they lost their distinct Negative voice because by the King's Writs they were to sit and vote with the Temporal Lords Just as it is in the Diets of Germany Since the distribution of that Assembly of the Estates of the Empire into the several Chambers the Prelates vote according to their Ranks the Three Electors in the Electoral College the other Bishops that are Princes of the Empire in the Chamber of Princes and those who are not Princes with the Counts and Barons So that here the Votes of the Bishops are mingled with the rest without a distinct Negative voice and yet no one questions but the Bishops do represent a distinct Estate of the Empire 3. This is a disparagement to the House of Lords that another Estate must be joyned with them to make up their Negative No more then to the Princes of the Empire to have the Bishops joyned with them when the Imperial Cities vote by themselves But what disparagement is this for those to make up the Majority of the Votes of the Baronage who sit there as Barons by Tenure by a Right as ancient as Will. the Conquerour by the Authour 's own confession 4. If the Bishops make a Third Estate then a Parlament could not be held without them But a Parlament hath sate excluso Clero as that of Ed. I and that it may do so in point of Law appears by the Resolution of the Iudges in Keilway's Reports because the Bishops sit in Parlament by reason of their Baronies This is the great Objection to which I shall give a full Answer 1. It is dangerous arguing from extraordinary Cases to the excluding any one of the Estates of the Kingdom from being represented in Parlament because no one can tell where this way of arguing will stop If a Parlament may be good without one Estate why not without another And we have seen an House of Lords excluded as unnecessary upon such kind of arguments because they sit in their own Persons and represent none but themselves If we once depart from the ancient and legal Constitution of Parlaments there will be no end of Alterations Every new Modeller of Government hath something to offer that looks like Reason at least to those whose interest it is to carry it on And if no Precedents can be found then they appeal to a certain invisible thing called the Fundamental Contract of the Nation which being a thing no where to be found may signify what any one pleaseth Suppose one extraordinary case happens through the disorder of Times that the Clergy have been left out in a Parlament what doth this signify towards altering the legal Constitution and constant Course of Parlaments which from the beginning of Parlaments in this Nation have had the Estate of the Clergy represented in them as sufficiently appears by Mr. Petyt's learned Preface to his late Discourse of the ancient Right of the Commons The first after King Ethelbert's Conversion was Commune Concilium tam Cleri quà m Populi That under Ina was omnium Episcoporum Principum Procerum Comitum omnium Sapientum Seniorum Populorum totius Regni That under Edmund the Elder was Concilium magnum Episcoporum Abbatum Fidelium Procerum Populorum I might adde many more as that at Becanceld under King Withred A. D. 694. Episcopis c. Ducibus Satrapis in unum glomeratis At Clovesho under Kenulphus of Mercia at Calecyth at London at Kingston Nay not one can be found by me in the Saxon times wherein the Bishops are not expresly mention'd So that if there be such a thing to be found as the Fundamental Contract of the Nation about the Constitution of Parlaments I do not question but they have their share in it Insomuch that Sir H. Spelman makes it his description of the Wittena-Gemot that in it as Mr. Petyt observes Convenêre Regni Principes tam Episcopi quà m Magistratus liberique homines i.e. it was an Assembly of the Three Estates So that before there were any such things as Baronies they were an essential part of the English Parlament And must all this clear and undoubted evidence from the first mention of Parlaments be rejected because once upon a time a certain King called a certain Parlament wherein upon some Distast between the King and the Clergy the other Estates continued sitting without them 2. This single Instance about the Parlament under Ed. I. is much misunderstood as will appear by these considerations 1. That the Clergy excluded themselves and were not shut out by the Act of the King and the other Estates For upon the Bull of Pope Boniface VIII forbidding the Clergy giving any more Subsidies which was procured by Archbishop Winchelsee as our Historians relate a Parlament being called by Ed. I. at Saint Edmondsbury on purpose for Subsidies the Clergy refuse upon the Pope's prohibition till they had consulted the Court of Rome and go away every one to their own homes notwithstanding which the King proceeds with the other two Estates and gets Subsidies from the Laiety So that the exclusion of the Clergy came from their own voluntary Act when the King desired no such thing nor the other two Estates but were all extremely provoked at this withdrawing of the Clergy That this Parlament was called purposely for the Subsidy appears by the Writ still upon Record wherein the Archbishop is summon'd to appear ad ordinandum de quantitate modo subsidii memorati 2. Whereas it is insinuated that great matters were done and good Laws passed when the Clergy were excluded I find no such thing It is true the confirmation of Magna Charta by Ed. I. which was a great thing indeed is said in the Statute-Books to be done the same year viz. 25 Ed. I. But that it could not be done in that Parlament I thus prove That Parlament was called crast Animarum the King appoints another at London crast Hilarii where the difference still continuing he appoints a new Parlament on the day of S. Peter ad Vincula or Lammas-day wherein he was reconciled to the Archbishop and Clergy Then Fealty is sworn to his Son before his going into Flanders and the King excused himself as to the great Taxes and Subsidies on the account of his Wars While he was about Winchelsea a Remonstrance is sent to him of the Grievances of the Nation in the name of the Archbishops Bishops Earls Barons and the whole Commons of England wherein they complain of illegal Taxes and the breach of Magna Charta The King gives a dilatory answer and passes over into Flanders