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A64759	British antiquities revived, or, A friendly contest touching the soveraignty of the three princes of VVales in ancient times managed with certain arguments whereunto answers are applyed by Robert Vaughan, Esq. ; to which is added the pedigree of the Right Honourable the Earl of Carbery, Lord President of Wales ; with a short account of the five royall tribes of Cambria, by the same author.	Vaughan, Robert, 1592-1667.	1662 (1662)	Wing V139; ESTC R13109	35,406	50

your Argument And here I do greatly marvel who those six Kings of Southwales were that as you say assumed to their hands the government of Northwales for Mredyth ap Owen was neither king nor heir apparent of Southwales when he conquered Northwales and Howel ap Edwyn was King of Southwales when Griffith ap Lhewelyn undertook the rule of Northwales and in like manner Mredyth ap Owen ap Edwym governed Southwales when Biedhyn ap Cynfyn received the principality of Northwales at the hands of the king of England doing homage for the same whereby it is evident that these three princes were not of the six that you mention and Howel Dha with Lhewelyn ap Seissyllt though they were most worthy and noble princes yet cannot exceed the number of two therefore the number of six must needs be a mistake It is also to be observed that these princes Mredyth Griff Bledhyn and Trahayarn ap Caradoc after they had settled themselves in the sure and quiet possession of Northwales seised to their hands the Kingdome of Southwales and held the same either by strong hand and usurpation or by state of inheritance or else in the right of Soveraignty over all Wales that belonged to the crown of N●rthwales Usurpers they were not if it be true that as you say in the end of your Treatise Southwales did never faile of a lawfull Prince to govern it till the period thereof by the fatall overthrow of prince Rees ap Theodor lawfull heires also to Cadelh they cannot be for the posterity of En●on the son of Owen king of Southwales and eldest brother to the said Mredyth were living and therefore they could not challenge Southwales by inheritance it remaines then of necessity that their title to Southwales was grounded on the soveraignty that belonged to the king of Northwales whereof they were princes But howsoever the matter went it is certaine that they were kings of Northwales and being so they took into their hands the regiment of Southwales whereby I do conclude it was a grosse error in you when you say that no prince of Northwales did ever rule in Southwales or by any occasion did claime the principality thereof seeing the examples of four princes must cause you to confesse either your ignorance or partiall censure Lastly you say that Rees ap Theodor prince of Southwales with great valor and wisdome did expell Trahern ap Caradoc the last usurper of Nerthwales and placed Griff ap Conan in the quiet possession thereof but antiquity the truth will informe us otherwise for in the life of Griff. ap Conan we may read that when the said Griffith with his navy landed at Portcleis neer St. Davids your powerfull prince Rees had been a little before deprived of his Kingdome by Trahayarn king of Northwales and others and for safegard of his life had covertly taken Sanctuary at St. Davids but hearing of Griffith's approach he came with the Bishop and all the clergy of that house to meet him where Rees fell upon his knees before Griffith and acquainting him with his ill fortunes desired his help and aid to fight with those his adversaries promising to do him homage and to reward him with the moity of his Revenues and Griff pittying his estate yeelded to his request and having overthrown in battell his enemies he installed Rees in the quiet possession of Southwales entred and destroyed Powis with fire and sword and recovered the Kingdome of Northwales his due inheritance here withall I find an entry made to Powys by a prince of Northwales before the fatall overthrow of Rees ap The●dor which you deny in your first Argument The sixth Argument THat the kings of England did ground their title to the principality and soveraignty of Wales upon the conquering of Rees ap Theodor prince of Wales in the raign of Rufus and not upon the subduing of Lhewelyn ap Griffiu in the raign of Edward the first as the writers of Northwales do alledge for from the conquering of Rees ap Theodor all the withstanding of the power of the kings of England in Wales was termed by them Rebellion and Treason which before alwaies had the name of War And thenceforth the Kings of England did give Seigniories and possessions in Wales to their English subjects and so the Lords Marchers began and thenceforth were the strong Castles and Forts erected and Garrisons planted in all parts of Wales wherein either the Kings of England or the Lords Marchers did set footing which grounded in the Kings of England a resolution to prosecute and accomplish the absolute conquest of Wales And thereby the bishoprick of St. Davids and by that sea all the rest of the Bishopricks of Wales were brought under the jurisdiction of Canterbury And thereupon Griff. ap Conan and the rest of the princes of Northwales succeeding yeilded to the kings of England submission for that principality and to hold the same of the crown of England and gave them pledges to abide in their peace And the kings of England were stayed from the absolute conquest of Northwales chiefly by their unsettled state in England being full of troubles especially by the French and Barons wars which were no sooner ended but that King Henry the third and his son Edward 1. took Northwales from Lhewelyn the last yet adding thereby no more to his former possession of the principality of Wales as the statute of Ruthlan doth shew but terram de Snowdon and accounting Lhewelyn not an Enemie but a Rebell as appeared by fixing his head on the highest turret of the Tower of London and executing his brother David for Treason whereas the English did deliver the slain body of Rees ap Theodor to a decent and honourable buriall in the Abbey of Ystradflwr The Answer ALthough the Kings of England after the overthrow of Rees ap Theodor did terme the withstanding of their power in Wales rebellion and Treason it cannot be conceived that should be a sufficient ground for their title to the principality of Wales for what are those termes but the hard censure of their utter and alwaies professed enemies in their greatest anger and indignation peradventure after some shamefull overthrow and losse received and therefore not much to be regarded But it cannot be granted they gave such names to those wars for the wars between King John with his Successors the Kings of England and Lhewelyn the great David his son Owen Goch and Lhewelyn ap Griffith Princes of Wales are alwaies termed Guerrae as it appears in the submissions of David ap Lhewelyn An 1240. 1241. of Owen Goch and Lhewelyn An the adward of Ottobonus the Pope's Legate An 1268. and the agreement between Edward the first and the said Lhewelyn prince of Wales An 1277. do likewise call those wars Guerrae which doth not in any Author signifie Rebellion as must needs be acknowledged Now that the kings of England thenceforth did give Seigniories and possessions in Wales to their