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A15781 A briefe treatise in which, is made playne, that Catholikes liuing and dying in their profession, may be saued, by the iudgement of the most famous and learned Protestants that euer were. Agaynst a minister [N.E.] who in his epistle exhorteth an honourable person, to forsake her ancient Catholike Roman Religion, & to become one of his new-found-out Protestant congregation. Wright, William, 1563-1639. 1623 (1623) STC 26044; ESTC S103083 31,010 52

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hath brought forth and which for their most firme profession of Christian religion most solid constancy and sincere deuotion therin haue been put into the Kalender of Saints that in this point it hath not been inferiour to any Christian Prouince whatsoeuer yea as Britany was tearmed by Porphyrius a prophane Philosopher Fer●x Tyrannorum prouincia A prouince fertill of Tyrants so likewise England may be stiled Insula Sancto rum feracissima An Iland fruitfull of Saints So far Cambden To whome ●e may add another famous Protestant author who tels vs for the tyme past that more Kings and Queenes in England only haue becom'd Monks and Nunnes and now by Protestants honoured for Saints in heauen then euer were Protestant Kings and Queenes in all the world though neuer so vnworthy the name of Saints or Sanctity which are all to be seene in the Theater of Britany Iohn Fox also relateth how that eight Kings of England left their Kingdomes and became Monks whose names are these King Kinegil●●s King Cead wall King Inas King Ethelred King Sigebert King Coenred King Offa King Edbert Of whome he sayth that it is most like they did it for holines sake thinking in this kind of life to serue and please God better but in this sayth Fox they were deceaued To these we may ioyne 19. Kings Queenes daughters whom also M. Fox confesseth to haue left their Royall estates and became Nunnes And he relateth out of an auncient Chronicle that in the primitiue Church of England Kings Princes Dukes Earles Barons rulers of the Churches Fox lib. 2. pag. 114. incensed with a desire of heauen labouring and striuing among themselues to enter into Monasteries into voluntary exile solitary life forsooke all and followed the Lord. And as conconcerning the piety and deuotion of other Catholiks after the Centurists write thus saying Although in this age to wit the seauenth the worship of God was darkened with mans traditions and superstitions yet the study to serue God and to liue godly and iustly was not wanting to the miserable common people c. they were so attentiue to their prayers as they bestowed almost the whole day therin They did exhibite to the Magistrate due obedience they were most studious of amity concord and society so as they could easily remit iniuries all of them were carefull to spend their time in honest vacation and labour to the poore strangers they were Cēturists cent 7. c. 7. col 181. S●ubbs in his motiue pag. 43. most courteous and liberall and in their iudgements and contracts most true M. Subbs in his Motiue to good works sayth Certainely to speake the truth there is many times found conscionabler and plainer dealing among most of the Papists then amongst many protestants And if we looke narrowly into the ages past we shall find more godliues deuotion and zeale though blind more loue one to another more fidelity faythfulnes euery way in them then is now to be found in vs. And agayne he further sayth Is it not a shame vnto vs Stubbs in his motiue pag. 72. To name one amongst many Robert Winchelsey the 49. Archb of Canterbury Besids the dayly fragmēts saith Godwin of his house he gaue euery Friday and Sunday to euery begger a loafe of Bread there were euery such Almes dayes foure or fiue thousand people Besides this euery great festiuall day he sent a 150. pence to such poore people as could not fetch his Almes that our forefathers liuing in the times of superstition c. should so far notwithstanding out passe vs in good works as that we may not once be compared to them in any small measure Hēce for good works who seeth not that herin they were far beyond vs we far behind them For exāple what memorable famous buildings and what monuments haue they left to the world behind them What Churches Chappels and other houses of prayer did they erect to the end the Religion and seruice of God might be continued Yea what Monasteries Abbyes Priories and other religious houses c. what number of goodly bridges did they make How many Almes-houses Hospitalls and Spittles did they found c. What high wayes what pauements and causies in summe what famous Colledges Hals Vniuersities what schooles In so much as the former Statute of Mort-main now needles was yet then thought needfull to be made in restraint of such liberall deuotion But to giue some tast in particular of those famous and godly men who liued in these times we will beginne with Saint Dunstone Archbishop of Canterbury who was most gracious to King Edward and Ethelrede as wittnesseth M. Godwin vnder whome he ruled all thinges at his pleasure and for the most part admired for a most holy vertuous man and after canonized for a Saint Saint Elphege another Arch-bishop of the same sea was sayth the same authour of great parentage of wonderfull abstinence neuer eating or drinking nor sleeping more then necessity God win i● his life compelled him spending his tyme altogeather in piety study or other necessary busines so that with preaching example of holy life he conuerted many to Christ Duke William after his conquest made choyce of Lanfranke for his wisdome and faythfulnes to be Arch bishop of Canterbury as one in all respects God win i● his life most fit and worthy He was the most perfect sayth Bale of his time in all kind of Logicke or Bale Centur. ●● cap. ●● subtility of Aristotle He corrected amended according to the right fayth all the bookes of the old and new Testament which had been corrupted by fault of the writers and also the writings of the holy Fathers He was skillfull in science sayth Stow prudent in counsells and gouernement and for religion and life Stow. Chron. pag. ●79 most holy He was sayth Godwin bus● in exhorting Rufus to vertue and godlines And as long as Lanfranke liued sayth Stow Rufus seemed to abhorre all kind of vice in so much that he was counted the mirrour of Kings Saint Anselme likewise was a most worthy man of great learning as his workes yet extant do declare and for integrity of life and conuersation admirable vndoubtedly he was a good holy man and as worthy the honour of a Saint as any I thinke sayth Godwin euer was canonized by the Pope since his time None sayth Malmsbury liued more obseruant of Iustice Malmeb lib. 4. Regum None at that tyme so soundly learned None so wholely spirituall the Father of the countrey the mirrour of the world Saint Thomas sayth Houeden was of life S. Thomas of Canterbury Houeden part 2. Anal. irreprehensible he receaued day by day 3. or 5. disciplines at the Priests hands his inner garmēt was of rugged haire-cloath of goates haire wher with his whole b●dy was couered from the elbow to the knees he lay vpon the bare ground before his bed neuer ceased from pray●r
do raigne most gloriously with Iesus Christ the King of glory in Heauen This being so set downe let vs proceed to the lury Faultes to be corrected In the title of the Preface all cauills read some cauills Pag. 8. lin vlt. Subbs read Stulbs Pag. 14. lin 2. humble more humble Pag. 18. lin 23. name of a man as read name of a man to a man as c. Pag. 25. in the margent adde Luth. declarat quorumdam artic cited by Coccius tom 1. lib. 7. Thesauri pag. 855. A GRANDE IVRY Of most famous and learned Protestants assuring all Catholiques of their Saluation if they liue and dye well in the Catholique Roman Fayth and Church The Names of the Iury Men. D Luther M Caluin D. Whitaker D. C●●ell D. Morton M. Hooker Zanchius Sclusselburg Polanus Iunius Boyswell Bunny Plessis Mornay Serauia D. White D. Willet Sir Edwin Sands M. Stubbs M. Holynshed D. Godwin M. Cambden Crentremius Theater of great Brit. M. Fox WE suppose as graunted out of the Rom. 1. Act. 18. 30. Apostles that the Church of Rome was once the true Church of God and so to haue continu●d for diuers hundred yeares as the Protestants themselues confesse For M. Iewell would haue vs belieue That as well Saint Augustine as also other godly Fathers Iewell in his Reply to M. Harding pag. 246. rightly yielded reuerence to the Sea of Rome c. for the purity of religion which was preserued there a long time without spot Seeing it was a thing notorious sayth M. Caluin and without doubt that after the Apostles age Caluin in his Instit in french lib. 4. sect 3. Protestant Apol. pag. 210. vntill these times to wit of Saint Augustine no change was made in doctrine neither at Rome nor at any other Cittyes which was 440. yeares after Christ But D. Morton confirming M. Iewells chalenge auerreth that protestants in oppugning D. Mort. Appeale lib. 4. c. 30. pag. 573. ●74 doctrines which they cal new and not Catholike are so far off from suffering the limitation of the first 440. yeares that they giue the scope of the first 600. years within the compasse of which Saint Gregory liued who sent Sain● Augustine the Monke into England and therefore he acknowledgeth that the Pagan and Heathenish people by the light of the Ghospell through the Ministery of Augustin the Legate of Saint Gregory were brought into the fold of Christ And heerehence sayth B. Morton our authours called it a gratious Morton lib. 1. pag. 60. conuersion But now this being supposed that the Church of Rome was the true Church for so many ages togeather in the which saluation was to be had It remayneth that we demonstrate and shew how not only then but also euer after that time euen vnto this day that Church hath been the only Arke and sanctuary in the which whosoeuer haue liued and dyed well could not miscary nor misse of their saluation and that therefore there is no reason why any being a member of that Church should leaue it and be take himselfe to any other assembly or Congregation seeing there is but one true Church and that in her saluation can be obteyned and in all others nothing but damnation is to be expected Which we will endeauour to proue out of the testimonies of most Bale likewise sayth That Augustin was sent from Gregory to season the English with the Popish faith that King Ethelbert dyed one twenty yeares after h● had receaued Popery Cent. 1. fol. 3. M. Napiere The Pope with his Clergy neuer suffered for the space of a thousand yeares after Siluester the first any to be seene vouchable or visible of the true Church pag. 239. Holynshed in the History of England graue and learned Protestants Supposing out of Venerable Bede that Saint Augustine was sent by S. Gregory to this our Nation to conuert it aboue 1000. yeares since from Paganisme to Christ For these be his words Saint Augustine coming into England deliuered his errand to King Ethelbert saying he came from Rome and brought a ioyfull message which whosoeuer would obey should haue eternal ioyes a perpetuall Kingdome with the true and liuing God Which is confirmed out of your owne Protestant English Historiographers and therfore we will begin with their verdicts and make them as the Formen of this sufficient full and complete Protestant Iury of whome we will choose Holynshed to be the first Holynshed therfore speaking of Saint Augustine writeth thus Augustine sayth he and his company arriued at Canterbury where he made his aboad by the Kings permission exercised the life of the Apostles in fasting cloathing and prayers and preaching the word of God to as many as they could despsing all wordly pleasures as not appertayning to them receauing only of them whome they taught things seeming necessary to the sustenance of their life all liuing in all points according to the doctrine which they set forth Item At last King Ethelbert was perswaded by the good example of Saint Augustine and his company and by miracles shewed to be baptized And M. Fox speaking of Saint Augustine writeth thus At length when the King had Fox lib ● pag. 116. of his Acts. c. wel considered the honest conuersation of their life and moued with their miracles wrought through Gods hands by them he heard them I doubt not but God affoarded many miracles to the first in●ā●y of our Church So D Godwin in the life of S. Dauid more gladly and lastly by their holsome exhortations example of good life he was by them conuerted and christened in the yeare 596. Saint Augustine sayth Cambden cōmonly called the Apostle of the English sent hither by Gregory the great hauing destroied the Mōsters of Hethenish impiety with most happy successe planting Christ in their minds conuerted them Cambden in his Britan. pag. 125. to the Christian faith Agayne Straight vpon the preaching of the name of Christ the English did consecrate themselues vnto Christ in so feruent a manner that the diligence is incredible they vsed in the propagation of the name of Christ in the performance of the duties therof in the diuulging of Christian religion in building of Churches in enriching and adorning of the same that no Prouince of Christēdome could haue numbred more Monasteryes then England could in Catholike times euen Fox pag. 137. That none of all these Kings Queenes Princes and Prelats were Protestants is proued in the prudētiall Ballance and the Protestants themselues cōfesse no lesse For M. Nappiere saith That for these thousand two hundred and threescore years the Pope his Clergy hath possessed the outward and visible Church of Christiās reigning without any debatable contradiction Gods truth to wit the Protestant Church most certainly abiding so long latent and inuisible vpon the Reuel pag. 145. some Kings haue preferred religious and monasticall liues before Kingdoms So many haue been the holy men that England