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A48822 The late apology in behalf of the papists reprinted and answered in behalf of the royallists Lloyd, William, 1627-1717. 1673 (1673) Wing L2684; ESTC R30040 38,961 49

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Legitimate Daughter to Henry the Eighth and therefore it was thought necessarily to follow by many That if Mary was the true Child Elizabeth was the Natural which must then needs give way to the thrice Noble Queen of Scots Under Queen Elizabeth you wish your Party had more patience and we think they Needed none for in the first ten Years of her Reign they had no Business for it In all that space of time which was twice as long as Queen Maries Reign though it was fresh in memory what the Papists had done yet not one of them suffered Death till the Northern Rebellion which being raised against her only upon the account of her Religion it appears that She was the persecuted person She had the occasion for Patience and you would have wished Them more Loyalty if any such thing had been in your thoughts But perhaps you wish they had so much patience as not to have discovered their design before it was fully ripe for execution Not unlike For it appears you account Rebellion no fault by this that you say you excuse not their faults and yet you do excuse their Rebellion You excuse them by saying it was a very hard Question whether the Right of the Crown lay in her or in the Queen of Scots for that many thought Queen Elizabeth Illegitimate Pray Sir who Thought it or when arose that Question The Arch-Bishop of York though a Papist in his Speech at the publishing of Queen Maries Death said No man could doubt of the justness of the Lady Elizabeths Title to the Succession The whole Kingdom received her and owned her as Queen more generally and freely than eyer they did Queen Mary The Neighbour Kings of Spain and France and the Emperor offered Marriage to her in hopes to have got the Crown by her The Queen of Scots her self did acknowledge her and claimed nothing more than to be Heir to her and so did King James that was her Successor So that whosoever opposed Queen Elizabeths Right if they were English 'c is apparent they were Rebels and if they were Papists we may guess what led them to it For the first that Questioned her Title was Pope Paul IV. who would not acknowledge her for sundry causes the chief that he alledged were these First Because this Kingdom is a Fee of the Papacy and it was audaciously done of her to assume it without his leave The second was because she was Illegitimate for if her Fathers Marriage were good the Pope must let down his Mill. But after all this his Successor Pius IV did own her and would have done any thing for her so she would have owned him Which because she would not the next Pope Pius V. issued out his Bull against her and deposed her not for Bastardy but for Heresie that is for being a Protestant for which Heresie it was that the Northern men Rebelled against her and many more of her Subjects disowned her and some or other were every foot plotting how to take away her life True it is that some of these pretended to do it in favour of the Queen of Scots But how if that Queen had not been a Catholick or Queen Elizabeth had not Been thought Illegitimate would a legitimate Protestant have been so contended for or would a Popish Bastard have been rejected by them Pope Gregory XIII had occasion to consider this For his Holiness had a Bastard of his own to provide for and another of the Emperors no doubt good Catholicks both of them To one he gave the Kingdom of Ireland and set out Stukely with Forces to win it for him To the other he gave the Kingdom of England and gave him leave to win it for himself But what was all this to the thrice Noble Queen of Scots Possibly she might have been preferred to have married one of the rwo but then it must have been expresly with this condition That her Son King James who was a Heretick should have nothing to do with the Succession When their bubbles were broken and she was dead all her Right descended to King James who being as little to the Pope's mind as Q. Elizabeth was Sixtus V. only took no publick notice of Him but he proceeded with all his might against Her He curst her afresh and publisht a Croysade against her and gave the whole Right of Her Kingdoms to Philip the II. King of Spain But neither that Popes Bounty nor his three Successors Blessings nor the Spanish Arms nor the Italian Arts for no way was left untried could ever prevail against Gods Providence which till the end of her days kept that Queen always fast in her Possessions At last Pope Clement VIII seeing there was nothing to be done against her resolv'd to let her go like a Heretick as she was and to take the more care that another Heretick should not succeed her For which cause he sent over two Breves into England one to the Clergy and the other to the Laity commanding them not to admit any other but a Catholick though never so near in Blood to the Succession that is to say in plain words not to admit King James to Reign after Queen Elizabeths death So 't is clear that your Popes never stuck at that hard Question that you speak of Let us see what our Country-men did who as you say suffered for it in those days They did like obsequious Members at every turn as their Head directed them They acted for the Papal Interest as far as they were able They made the House of Scotland the Cloak for it as far as it would reach And it reacht pretty well as long as the Title was in Queen Mary But after the Title came to be in King James Pray Sir name us those Papists or but one single person of them that either died or suffered for Him and then you bless us with a discovery What then were they idle for so many years as past between the commencing of his Title and the Death of Queen Elizabeth Nothing less For they were as busie as Bees in contriving how to hasten her Death and how to put him by the Succession And if it were for his Service that they would have destroyed Her pray for whose service was it that they would have defeated Him but that will be known by the story Soon after his Mothers Death was the Spanish Invasion which would have defeated him with a Witness if it had sped and yet our Papists both Negotiated it and writ in Defence of it Afterwards in Scotland your Jesuites procured the Earl of Huntley and others to raise a powerful Rebellion against him In England they endeavoured to perswade the Earl of Derby to set up a Title to the Crown who honestly revealing it was poisoned soon after according to the prophetical threatning of Hesket whom they had made use of to perswade him When
these single shots failed Father Parsons gave a broad-side to the Royal House of Scotland For he publisht a Book under the name of Dolman wherein he set up divers Competitours for the Succession and consequently so many Enemies to the unquestionable Right of that Family And to provide one sure Enemy upon the place he found out a Title for the Earl of Essex the most ambitious and popular Man in the Nation to whom also he craftily dedicated his Book In which he mentions among other Books of this nature one written by Lesley concerning the Queen of Scots Title another by Heghinton for the King of Spains Title and another concerning the Prince of Parma's But for his part before these and all others he prefers the Title of the Infanta And to shew that he meant as he said he caused their Scholars in the Seminaries abroad to subscribe to it and made them swear to maintain it and bound the Missionaries to promote it in those places whither they were to be sent Whereas for King James his Title he preferrs several others before it and tells us I have not found very many in England that favour it meaning sure of your Catholicks with whom his converse chiefly was and concerning whom he gives this remarkable testimony that the Catholicks make little account of his Title by nearness of Succession We have reason to believe he did not wrong them because when an answer was written to his Book the Arch-Priest Blackwel would not suffer it to be published And your next Head-Officer the Provincial of the Jesuites declared he would have nothing to do with King James his Title and 't was the common voice of the men of his Order that if King James would turn Catholick they would follow him but if not they would all die against him Which pious Resolutions were seconded with agreeable Actions For they endeavoured as far as Catholicks are obliged by their Principles viz. as far as they durst and were able at first to hinder him from coming in and afterwards to throw him out again or to destroy him in the place as we shall have occasion to shew you in the answer to the next Paragraph The mean while out of this present discourse in which you cannot deny any thing that is material to our purpose It appears that this hard Question of Right to the Crown was not between the Parties themselves in one or t'other of whom you confess the Right was It appears that your Infallible Judge of Controversies very easily and impartially resolv'd it by denying both sides of the Question and assuming the whole right to himself It appears that your Catholicks who are said to have sided with one against the other did in truth side with the Pope against them both And lastly it appears that their Misdemeanors were inexcusable Treasons if any Treason can be inexcusable that is befriended with such an Apologist 'T was for the Royal House of Scotland that they suffered in those days and 't is for the same Illustrious Family we are ready to hazard all on any occasion Sir we have found you notoriously False in that which you Affirm Pray God you prove True in that which you Promise Nor can the consequence of the former procedure be but ill if a Henry VIII whom Sir W. Raleigh and my Lord Cherbury two famous Protestants have so homely Characteriz'd should after twenty years cohabitation turn away his Wife and this out of scruple of Conscience as he said when as History declares that he never spared Woman in his Lust nor Man in his Fury This Character would better agree with many a Head of a Church whom we could name you than with Henry VIII of whom better Historians speak better things But if he were such a Monster as you would make him perhaps it was for want of a better Religion for he was perfectly of Yours except only in the point of Supremacy And you had no occasion for this flurt at him unless that having undertaken to put the best colours upon Treason you might think you did something towards it in bespattering of Kings We have a touch of the same Art in the next Paragraph Where having undertaken to excuse the Gun-powder-Treason you call it first a Misdemeanor then the Fifth of November and then a Conjuration soft words all of them but you deal wicked hardly with the great Minister of State whom you make to have been the Author of it as if the Traitors had not conspired against the State but the State against them But before we come to answer this It will be needful to set down the story as it appears out of the Examinations and Confessions of the Traitors themselves The rise of this Treason was from the before-mentioned Breves of Pope Clement VIII in which he required all his Catholicks that after the death of that wretched Woman Queen Elizabeth they should admit none but a Catholick to reign over them These Breves were by Garnet the Provincial of the Jesuites communicated to Catesby and others who in Obedience thought best to begin their Practices in her life time So they sent Father Tesmund and Winter into Spain to crave the assistance of that Crown The Spaniard sent them back with the promise of an Army But soon after Queen Elizabeth died and no Army came Therefore again they sent Christopher Wright into Spain to hasten i● and Stanley out of Flanders sent Fawks thither upon the same errand who finding the Councils of Spain at this time wholly enclined to peace returned quickly back and brought nothing but despair along with them Yet the Breves had so wrought upon Catesby that he could not find in his heart to give over but still casting about for ways he hit upon this of the Powder-Treason which as being much out of the common Rode he thought the most secure for his purpose He communicated this to Winter who approved it and fetcht Fawks out of Flanders to assist in it Not long after Piercy being in their company and offering himself to any service for the Catholick Cause though it were even the Kings Death Catesby told him that that was too poor an Adventure for him but saith he if thou wilt be a Traitor there is a Plot of greater advantage and such a one as can never be discovered Thus having duly prepar'd him he took him into the Conspiracy And the like he did with so many more as made up their Number thirteen of the Laity But where were the Jesuites all the while rot idle you may be sure The Provincial Garnet was privy to it from the beginning so were divers more of the Society Insomuch that when Watson endeavour'd to have drawn them into his Plot for the setting up of the Lady Arbella's Title in opposition to King James his they declin'd it saying They had another of their own then afoot and that they would