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A17505 A replie vnto a certaine libell, latelie set foorth by Fa: Parsons, in the name of vnited priests, intituled, A manifestation of the great folly and bad spirit, of certaine in England, calling themselues seculer priestes VVith an addition of a table of such vncharitable words and phrases, as by him are vttered in the said treatise, aswell against our parsons, as our bookes, actions, and proceedings. Clark, William, d. 1603.; Barneby, Francis. aut; Clarionet, William, attributed name. 1603 (1603) STC 4321; ESTC S107159 173,407 232

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continued if any correspondencie of gratitude or hope had continued from Scotland with no small assurance of farre greater matters aduancement to the Kings person if the enemies since of both our Realmes as he saith had not ouerthrowne and altered that course This he hath in that Letter and much more Whereby you may perceiue what his practises haue been from time to time against her Maiestie and state seeking first as you see by large pensions got from Spaine to worke with the Scots and others for the vntimely aduauncement of his title which must haue beene with the ouerthrow of her Maiestie or otherwise you know it could not haue been And here I request the Reader to note these labours of father Parsons for the affaires of Scotland to haue beene in the yeeres 1583 1584 in which selfe same yeere happened the trayterous plots of Parry Fran Throgmorton and the Earle of Northumberland and the practises with the Duke of Guise Spaniard and other English abroad about the deliuery of the Queene of Scots and ouerthrow of her Maiestie and shortly after the treasons of Babington and his complices Which I note that you may see how fa Parsons courses concurred at the same instant with their attempts and by this you may gesse whether it be not more then probable that hee was inward with all those deuises perhaps some of that mony was imploied to the setting forward of those attempts though hee vvould seeme cleere in all things But it is Gods will that his ovvne Letters and writings should discouer his dealings There want not other Letters of his and his complices which shew his good will towards our Soueraigne country but these shall be sufficient at this time Now will we come to the obiections made against him concerning his intituling the Spaniards to the Kingdoms of England Fraunce and Scotland and of the Students subscribing in Spaine to the Lady Infanta her title as also concerning the Lord Dacres and diuers of our nation discredited by fa Parsons to the losse of some of their liues and lastly of the booke of Titles or succession to all which wee will aunswer in order To the first of intituling the Spaniard vnto England Fraunce and Scotland it is plaine euident in it selfe that by intituling them to England consequently he intituled them to Ireland and all her Maiesties dominions and to Fraunce because of the right wee pretend to that Crowne Touching Scotland it may follow by a sequell of neighborhood because you know the Spaniards creepe euer forwards louing rather to gaine by theyr neighbors an ell then lose an inch For by reason of the imminent danger of that Crowne and the rather because that King is a Competitor to England and therefore sustayning great wrong by his inuading of vs would no doubt stirre and make warre against him which happily might occasionate his ouerthrow and losse of that Kingdome likewise So that fa Parsons falsly intitling the Spaniard vnto the Crowne of England doth also in effect intitle him to Scotland likewise in that hee could not possesse the one quietly without the other considering the wrong that of necessity must be done to the Scot which would make him stirre so long as he were able to leauie but a thousand men or procure ayde from neighbours adioyning I doe not take vppon mee to determine of any mans right or title praying with my hart that her Maiestie may long cōtinue amongst vs but do note in a word what bloodie mischiefe fa Parsons doth breathe out in his famous libell of succession For the proofe of the second obiection of the schollers beeing vrged to subscribe to blankes and to confirme the Infanta her title to the Crowne of England is a matter very notorious and euident VVee haue diuers priests yet aliue in England to confirme the same by othe aswell of them that were inforced to subscribe against theyr wills as others that openly refused the same I doe therefore wonder to see the mans vnshamefast deniall of so manifest and apparant a truth As touching the fained matter of the Cardinalls deuise for certaine courses to be held in our country after her Maiesties time and his proposing of the same to diuers it is a most egregious calumniation against the deceased Cardinall all men may easily see it to be but a meere inuention of fa Parsons in naming onely two persons deceased Sir Frauncis Inglefield and Doctor Stillington for witnesse knowing vvhat proofe a dead witnes may carry eyther in Court or country Besides there were diuers men of wealth of ou● nation with whom hee was as like or more like to haue communicated the same as with the two dead persons named who for ought I can learne neuer heard of any such speeches from him Whereby you may see by whom the worthy Cardinall is disgraced and dishonoured now hee is dead beeing by Father Parsons drawne into all foolish and fond deuises as an actor with so factious creatures in matters by themselues deuised But they which disgraced him liuing in his latter dayes will not suffer him of likelihood to rest quiet now hee is dead Concerning his proposing the booke of Tytles to haue been reade in the Refectory in Rome in steed of a spirituall Lecture vsed to be reade at such times there be diuers yet that will depose the same against him and Ma Lowbery now a reuerend priest was the man should haue read the same but he reiected it vtterly refusing to meddle with such stuffe To the third poynt concerning the L. Dacres vsage amongst them we will referre the relation thereof to Ma Charles Paget best acquainted there-with who hath promised if Fa Parsons surcease not to discouer his vsage with others To the fourth matter of diuers disgraced by him and his complices it would make a huge volume to set downe the particularities of euery one that hath beene abused by them in this kind And therefore we will reserue it for a particuler treatise of purpose if occasion inforce vs heereafter to discouer more at large their particuler dealings against particuler men Onely at this time I will note vnto you one or two notable examples The first shall be of Ma Barkworth now I trust in heauen This Ma Barkworth being a priest in the Colledge of Vallidolid was by the Iesuits suspected to be a furtherer and concurrer with certaine youths that entred into the order of S. Benedict Whereof Fa Parsons hauing intelligence did write to the Rector of that Colledge that he should be dismissed presently shewing in his letters some anger that he stayed so long Where-vpon the Minister of the Colledge came vnto him one morning being sicke of a feauer and not well recouered and bad him to arise and make himselfe ready to walke with him saying that it would be wholsome for him to walke and shake off his Feauer and not to yeeld thereto When they were departed out of the English Colledge he led
in liking some courses taken and in pittying the cases of such as iustly felt the smart thereof as at the Northerne or Irish attempts heretofore c. Howsoeuer Father Parsons list to wrest this saying it doth shew as much as before I haue sayd of the Martyrs aunswers that our ignorance in such affaires vvas great and therefore not to be imputed as we hope to them it is not But seeing and knowing what now we see know no ignorance can excuse vs if we disclaime not Matters were then caried vnder a maske of zeale and religion and the verities of plots and treasons were vnseene of vs who euer detested disloialty But theyr actions haue been since so open that we could not but see that religious pretences were but fayre shewes to colour foule matters which wee detest and hate as no whit proportionable to religious or priestly vocation And to conclude this chapter of aduersaries with father Parsons I wonder that for shame he could note the Duke of Norfolke as though any loyall person of the house of Arundell hauing wit or discretion could be agreeued with vs for detesting the disloyaltie of the Duke I assure my selfe it is detested and hated of all the honourable generation of that lyne For will any man loue the sinne or iniquity of any person because the said person was his kinsman or parent what a ridiculous imagination were this And as for our asking what the state will thinke of such priestes as come from the Seminaries heereafter it is not as maliciously this Calumniator commenteth that we will doe theyr errands before they come but in respect of his trecherous and trayterous dealings with them in the Spanish Seminaries to draw them to treasonable actions who now hauing got the gouernment and managing of Rome Doway and all may worke the like in those Colledges so that no place shall be free from suspicion to our state of such practises against them And thus we will end this Chapter praying to GOD to forgiue all Calumniators and draw them to more charitable courses and then shall it be happy for Father Parsons An aunswer to the fourth Chapter concerning our pretended folly in vttering open and manifest vntruths and contradictions to our owne discredit IT is a common practise amongst men that meddle in broken matters and such as will not abide the touch especially if they be cunning and of wit and pollicie that meddle therein to seeke helps by shifts circumstances and by-matters and those lesse to the purpose when they are pressed or called in question for such euill or vnlawfull affaires that thereby they may giue some glozing shew and appearance vnto the world of innocencie to iustifie their bad and corrupt dealing And euen so fareth it heere with Fa Parsons who being taken tardy in his vndutifull dealings and vniust practising against his naturall Prince and Country with such euidencie and apparant facts that conuince his guilty behauiour therein to colour and hide these his foule faults and make some shew of innocencie he flieth to by-matters taking hold of such things as are of least importance alwayes flying and shuffling when hee commeth to the poynt that toucheth and substance indeede of the accusation For whereas both he and some of his associates are in particuler accused as dealers in state matters and practisers against their Country and some plots stratagems and deuises of his and theirs and specified particulerly hee shuffeleth them off in hast as though he were afraid much to meddle with them onely snatching at some circumstances now and then he leaueth the matter vnsatisfied or fully aunswered As where it is auerred in the Important considerations that we thinke in our consciences they haue beene instruments and meddlers in all things which haue beene intended against her Maiestie heere he keepeth great reuell and maketh such a stirre that he runneth ouer all the attempts that were practised before their entrance into England to shew that there were matters attempted before they came hither or any English Iesuit was in authority Which assertion being auerred but opinatiuely as that we think they haue had their fingers in all matters not absolutly auouching the same is not a substantiall accusation but a thing left in doubt and suspence as all matters vnder opinion are And therefore that was but a by-matter in respect of the reall facts and attempts layd to their charge afterwards yet shall you finde that he vseth the canuasing of these by-matters to discredit all other reall accusations and to make himselfe and his associates to seeme innocent in all t●e rest But this cunning must not serue his turne we will p●●inly let you see wherein they haue directly offended in these kinds of dealing that they shall neuer be able to denie the same with any shew of probability And for diuers of the former deuises we will giue you some reasons and probabilities that induced vs to thinke that their heads haue beene hammering in all the rest First for his euasion in matters attempted before their entrance into England or that any English Iesuit was in credit it doth not follow that therefore no Iesuits had their fingers in such attempts Were there not Iesuits of other Countries to step into such actions In the action of Parry you shall finde there were Secondly was not Fa Darbishire a Iesuit long before the English Iesuits came into England And I haue heard men that knew him very well affirme that hee was a great medler many yeeres agoe in such affaires Might he not then haue his fingers in the French matters concerning the Duke of Guise and Queene of Scots Some will affirme that he was an abetter therein Thirdly were not the Iesuits from the beginning great with the Spaniards whose fingers haue beene almost in all matters as that of the Duke of Norfolke that of Ireland and diuers others Is it not somwhat probable by this that the Iesuits might be Counsellers or abetters in these affaires being men of such stirring spirits and so forward to put themselues into Princes matters and dealings of state VVere they not likewise very great with Pope Gregory the thirteenth their greatest benefactour and most affectionate vnto their order of all Popes Might they not then be of counsell in Stukleys intention for Ireland Are not these great probabilities to induce men to think they haue beene hammering from the beginning hauing had such faire offers and so fit oportunities and themselues being so ready and desirous to deale in such kinde of affaires as all the world seeth both by experience of Fraunce England Ireland and other places Iudge by this whether the assertion in the Important considerations that wee thinke they haue beene instruments and dealers in all practises from the beginning against our Prince be so voyd of reason or probabilities as Fa Parsons would make you beleeue or whether it be malice in vs to suspect the worst vppon such probable grounds against such men whom
for the more easie cariage But who now will belieue Fa Parsons henceforward by his own rule though he say truth sith he heapeth vp so many vntruths together in fardels without blushing In the same page and the next following he laboureth to extricate himselfe of an obiection concerning his offering to sweare to Iames Clarke in London that he neuer meant to be Papist but onely to goe to Padua to studie Phisicke In which the cunningst shift hee hath is to ridde the same by an equiuocation because forsooth the word Papist is odious in England and not a terme professed by vs. This is the clenliest and best shift he hath as there you may see VVhereby you may note that hee had learned Logick before hee went ouer and knew the difference betwixt vniuocum aequiuocum which practise hee hath not lost since for ought I see After this hee braggeth of his good deedes for feare they should be forgot in the next paragraffe saith it is a violent lie that Cardinall Allens opinion was of him that hee was of a violent nature but for that reade Ma. Charles Pagets aunswer to the Apologie In the next paragraffe he commeth to Stukleys matters cōcerning Ireland which he layeth vppon Doctor Lewis saying that he had no part therein which he confirmeth by that he had beene then but two or three yeeres of the societie and was not Priest Of this we haue spoken in the fourth Chapter but that he had beene but two or three yeeres of that societie and was not priest argueth not that he was no dealer therein For if he could be of that credit and respect that he entred then into difference with Doctor Lewis Archdeacon then of Cambray and Referendary to Pope Gregory the 13. about some matters concerning that busines as here he confesseth I see not but that hee might in the same manner be of like credite with his order to haue a hand therein also And all men know Fa Parsons was forward enough at his first going ouer in such busie affaires and the greatnes of the Iesuits with Pope Gregory might giue occasion way enough thereto In the next page 92. hee noteth Ma. Blackwells bewayling his comming into England and his rising in his order by practises and vntruthes of which he saith and many more if wee can proue any one poynt hee will say wee are honest men in the rest Now then for our credits with fa Parsons for his rising by practises or factious disposition I will say no more but what is iustifiable à parte rei viz. that the most stirring medling practising heads amongst all of our English nation to goe no farther haue alwaies come to credite preheminencie amongst them Witnes this per inductionem Fa Parsons whose factious disposition hath been euery where sufficiently displaied with proofes sufficient VVitnes father Haywood and his busie factious inclination at his comming into England of which fa Parsons can beare witnes being at variance with him and many other priests yet liuing in England some of them hauing beene present at his Synodes where he made himselfe President in the Popes name VVitnes father Holt of whose disposition you may read in Ma. Charles Pagets answer to the Apologie Witnes fa Creswell as you may see in Doctor Elyes aunswer to the Apologie Witnes father Garnet the onely chiefe actor in all our stirres heere in England I might adde Fa Crighton the Scot with the rest and father Holt if he were aliue would take my part These then are pretty inducements to thinke father Parsons rose in his order by his factious disposition But for the other point concerning Ma. Blackwell let him be examined vpon his oath whether he came not vnto Ma. Bluet then prisoner in the Marshalseas vsing these or the like words VVhat meant Doctor Allen to send this man ouer he will vndoe vs all And being asked why hee aunswered that his expulsion out of Oxford was so infamous that it would be obiected by the Protestants to the disgrace of the cause Let Ma. Blackwell I say be vrged with this I adiure him as hee will aunswer it before Almighty God at the latter day to say the truth and then fa Parsons shall see wee haue wonne our credits euen in both these points besides an hundred more already prooued As for his action in Paris to get himselfe released thence I haue heard men of credite report the same thing and that Verstegen alias Rowland was one of the three that came to enquire late for him For his euasion that hee was not there subiect I would aske Fa Parsons whether when a Iesuit maketh aboade in any prouince hee be not subiect to the Prouinciall of that prouince for as then fa Parsons was no Prouinciall but a priuate Iesuit though he had indeed the superiority of such as came with him into England Touching the story of Doctor Gyfford and father Baldwine before the Nuncio in Flaunders read Ma. Charles Pagets aunswer to the Apologie and you shall see the contrarie to this fellowes words from the Nuncio his owne mouth In the 93 page b. hee denieth the Bishop of Cassana to haue beene generall Visitor ouer them because he had an other viz. the Bishop of Mont Reall ioyned in Cōmission with him which is but a cauill For they were both Visitors generall therefore the Bishop of Cassana had authority ouer them to visite and reforme them if he would haue put it in practise against them which hee would not doe to auoyde theyr clamors of partialitie against them for that they held him theyr enemie although he had many memorialls deliuered him vp against them euen of diuers of their owne order which he shewed to some priests yet liuing God forgiue him for his omission herein Concerning the Letters writ against the said Bishop cōtaining these words vel Turca vel mors vel daemon eripiat eū á nobis there be yet witnes thereof aliue who saw him burne it with his owne hands vsing these words pereat memoria earum cum sonitu For the poysoning of Sixtus quintus Cardinall Allen the Bishop of Cassana and others whether they were poysoned or not God knoweth and by whom But for Sixtus quintus it is notorious that hauing beene sicke of a burning Feauer and beeing newly recouered he suddenly fell downe againe and as was said with drinking of a cuppe of Greeke wine he died within the space of sixe houres if I be not deceiued The suspicion you see is great of his poysoning and that the Iesuits should concurre hereto the conceit may arise by their euill affection towards him in respect of his resolution to reduce them to the forme of other religious orders a little before his death But that they did concurre to this fact I will not for any thing accuse them as beeing a matter I cannot certainly know therefore will leaue it to that day in which all things shall be opened Touching