King he would not meddle between them I leave that Question saith he to be decided by the two Supream Powers the Pope and the King when occasion shall be for it My Lords and Gentlemen had this been a new Sect not known before something perchance might have been doubted but to lay this at their doors that have govern'd the civilliz'd world is the miracle of miracles to us Sir we know not how to cure your wonder but by shewing you 't is unreasonable For you can it a Miracle that men judge according to good Evidence Who doubts less of the dangerousness of your Principles and Practices than they that have Read most and had most Experience of them We can give you no greater instance than in King James of blessed Memory who was no stranger to you either way and this is his judgment of you That as on the one part many honest â—en sâ—dâ—ced with some Errors of Poâ—ery may yet remain goâ—d and faitâ—ful Subjects So on the other part none of those that truly know and believe â—he whole grounds and School-conclusions of â—heir Doctrines can ever prove either goâ—d Christians or good Subjects But pray Sir when was it that you govern'd the civiliz'd World For the Eastern and Southern Churches never own'd your Government nor yet the Western while Learning flourished But when Barbarity had over-run it then Popery grew up by degrees and made it more Barbarous both in Ignorance and in Cruelty Then came in those Doctrines of Transubstantiation c. Then came in those Papal Usurpations c. which the Woâ—ld being again Civiliz'd hath partly thrown off and partly reduced into more tolerable terms Did Richard the First or Edward Long-shanks suspect his Catholicks that served in Palestine and make our Countryes Fame big in the Chronicle of all Ages or did they mistrust in their dangerous absence their Subjects at home because they were of the same profession could Edward the Third imagine those to be traiterous in their Doctrine that had that care and duty for their Prince as to make them by Statute guilty of Death in the highest Degree that had the least thought of ill against the King be pleased that Henry the Fifth be remembred also who did those Wonders of which the whole World does yet resound and certainly all History will agree in this that 't was Oldcastle he feared and not those that believed the Bishop of Rome to be Head of the Church The Reigns of those Kings whom you speak of were in those dark times when all Goodness declin'd and Corruptions were daily growing upon us Richard the First being told he had three wicked Daughters Pride Covetousness and Leachery said he could not Match them better than among your Templers Fathers and Friars Edward the First out-law'd the whole Clergy of this Realm for refusing to pay the King any Taxes because the Pope had forbidden them to do it And both those other Princes whom you mention made Laws against his Usurpations Edward the Third made a notable one of this kind by advice of that very Parliament in which he enacted his Laws against Treason And certainly Henry the Second was more vex'd with Becket than ever Henry V. feared Oldcastle We doubt not those Kings had many good Subjects and our King hath some better than you seem to be But they differed not in Religion as you do from ours And yet then your Faction was always encroaching where it was suffered and dangerous where it was opposed Did not your Pope force King John to do him homage for England Did he not wrestle with Edward I. for the Sovereignty of Scotland Hath he not often laid claim to the Kingdom of Ireland If the old Gentleman in a pet should go to turn out his Tenant what would our King have left when these are disposed of We will no longer trouble you with putting you in mind of any more of our mighty Kings who have been feared abroad and as safe at home as any since the Reformation of Religion We shall only add this That if Popery be the enslaving of Princes France still believes it self as absolute as Denmark or Sweden The French King will believe what he pleases but not all that you say of him For he cannot but know that the Pope gave away that Kingdom from some of his Predecessors and maintained War in it against his Grandfather till he brought him to his terms And why hath not His Holiness dealt so with him that now is partly for the sake of his Religion but chiefly for fear of a Storm lest his Coin should do that which Lewis the Twelfth's only threatned in the Inscription of it PERDAM BABYLONIS NOMEN Nor will ever the House of Austria abjure the Pope to secure themselves of the fidelity of their Subjects For the Austrian Princes that are so link'd to the Pope and whose Subjects are all Papists you suggest a mad way to secure themselves by firing their Countrey about their ears But what is this to England where since the exclusion of that trash which you call the Catholick Faith the King and the greatest part of his People are no Papists and have had so much trouble and danger for it from them that are May not Reason and Experience teach us to fear that having to do with the same kind of Adversaries we may still have some troublesome and dangerous Enemies No we have none to fear but our selves if we may believe you For say you We shall always acknowledge to the whole world that there have been as many brave English in this last Century as in any other place whatsoever yet since the exclusion of the Catholick Faith there hath been that committed by those who would fain be called Protestants that the wickedest Papist at no time dreamt of Pray Sir what may that be For you have murthered Kings and them of your own Religion four or five in this Realm since the Conquest not to speak of those Numbers elsewhere But that was in the growing Age of Popery In latter times have you so soon forgot our Kings Grand-Father Henry IV. murthered by Ravilliac or his Predecesfor Henry III. murthered by Fryar Clement and the People you have kill'd up by whole Families and Townships Witness England Ireland France Piedmont which you may hear of elsewhere These things have been done by Papists broad awake and what must that be which the wickedst of them never dreamt of 'T was never heard of before that an absolute Queen was condemned by Subjects and those styled her Peers or that a King was publickly Tryed and Executed by his own People and Servants First you tell us of the Queen of Scots being put to Death in Queen Elizabeths Reign It was by the same colour of right we suppose that Wallis suffered in Edward the First 's Reign namely of that Sovereignty that our Princes challenged over Scotland But Edward I. was
ere while a laudable Papist and Queen Elizabeth for all this might be a very good Pâ—otestant Sure we are that King James and King Charles who were nearest concerned in this matter never imputed the Fault of it to her Religion Your other instance is of that most execrable Murther committed on the best of Kings by his own Subjects and by such as you say would fain be called Proâ—estants Sir we would fain be called Christians and Members of the Catholick Church would you take it well of a Turk that should therefore charge our faults upon you but you do worse than a Turk in charging these mens faults upon us They were neither then nor since of our Communion but that blessed Prince was whom they murther'd He declared upon the Scaffold I dye a Christian according to the profession of the Church of England as I found it left me by my Father He charged the Princess Elizabeth not to grieve and torment her self for him for that would be a gloâ—ious Death which he should dye it being for the Laws and Liberties of this Land and for maintaining the true Protestant Religion He died with some Care not to leave you this advantage by his Death as it appears by these words of his last Letter to His Majesty that now is The scandal of the late Troubles which some may object and urge to you against the Protestant Religion established in England is easily answered to them or your own thoughts in this that scarce any one who hath been a beginner or an active prosecutor of this late War against the Church the Laws and Mee either was or is a true lover embracer or practicer of the Protestant Religion established in England which neither gives such Rules nor ever before set such Examples My Lords and Gentlemen we know who were the Authors of this last abomination how generously you strove against the raging Torrent nor have we any other ends to remember you of it but to shew that all Religions may have a corrupted spawn and that God hath been pleased to permit such a Rebellion which our Progenitors never saw to convince you perchance whom for ever may he prosper that popery is not the only source of treason But do you indeed know who were the Authors of this last abomination Pray Sir be plain with us for in these doubtful words there seems to be more truth than every man is aware of The Rebellion that led to it began we know in Scotland where the design of it was first laid by Cardinal Richelien His Majesties irreconcileable Enemy Then it broke out in Ireland where it was blest with His Holiness's Letters and assisted by his Nuntio whom he sent purposely to attend the Fire there Lastly here in England you did your parts to unsettle the People and gave them needless occasions of jealousie which the vigilant Phanaticks made use of to bring us all into War and Confusion Both in England and Scotland the special Tools that they wrought with were borrowed out of your Shops It was His Majesties own Observat on by which you may guess whose spawn they were Their Maxims saith he were the same with the Jesuites their Preachers Sermons were delivered in the very phrase of Becanus Scioppius and Eudaemon Johannes their poor Arguments which they delivered in their seditious Pamphlets printed or written were taken almost verbatim out of Bellarmin and Suarez In Ireland where you durst do it you imploy'd Iron and Steel against him with which you might as well have preserved him if you had pleased but you denyed to do that as he tell us only upon account of Religion Then followed the accursed Fact it self agreed to in the Councils of your Clergy contriv'd and executed by the Phanaticks In vain did the poor Royallist strive against it for what could he do when two such streams met against him of which the deepest was that which came from Rome where the false Fisherman open'd all his Flood-gates to overwhelm us with those troubles which for the advantage of his trade he had often before endeavoured but could never prevail till now to send them pouring in upon us Little we think when your Prayers and ours were offer'd up to beg a blessing on the Kings Affairs ever to see that day in which Carlos Gifford Whitgrave the Pendrels should he punish'd by your desires for that Religion which obliged them to save their forlorn prince a stigmatized man for his Offences against King Church a chief promoter of it Nay less did we imagine that by your Votes Huddleston might be hang'd who again secured our Sovereign and others free in their fast Possessions that sate as Judges and sealed the Execution of that great Prince of happy Memory That many Gentlemen of your Church were not of your Party we do willingly acknowledge and that some of them in that critical day of Danger did the King very eminent Service But so did Protestants too therefore you cannot ascribe this to Your Religion Nor does it seem reasonable that to requite particular persons for their service we should abandon those Laws which may secure the publick against as great a danger To question his Life that had freely exposed it for our Sovereigns were too great a Barbarity for any Christians but of your Sect or any Age but Queen Maries dayes for then Sir Nicholas Throgmorton was indeed so dealt with but we do not more detest those times than such examples And we know that His Majesty without any trespass on his Laws may protect and reward those persons whom he judgeth deserving it as well as his Royal Predecessors did in whose Reigns the penal Laws were made Pray be you as favourable to the stigmatized Man whom sure you are not angry with for his Offence against King and Church whatsoever you say and if he be now a promoter of any thing that displeaseth you bear with him as His Majesty doth for whom he lately did his utmost against Phanaticks toward the bringing of him in and he would not willingly live to see the Pope turn him out again For the Regicides be as severe with them as you please only beware how you tax His Majesty's Mercy for fear you may have need of it We confess we are unfortunate and you just Judges whom with our lives we will ever maintain to be so nor are we ignorant the necessity of Affairs made both the King and you do things which formerly you could not so much as fancy Yet give us leave to say we are still loyal nay to desire you to believe so and to remember how Synonymous under the late Rebellion was the word Papist and Cavalier for there was never no Papist that was not deemed a Cavalier nor no Cavalier that was not called a Papist or at least judged to be popishly affected Your fawning upon the Parliament and commending of your selves we pass over as things
incredible or to do at the rate as if we did believe it Rather if you have such an opinion of your own Faculty Try what you can do with your own Party and perswade them to do what is fittest best for Themselves But because the Genius of your Writing does not give us any such Hopes of You We shall rather make bold to say something from our selves by way of Advice to as many of them as may happen to need it and are capable to receive it We desire them to content them selves with that condition which they enjoy'd under his Majesties Royal Predecessors and neither to Disparage those dayes by endeavouring to perswade the world that they which suffered then for Treason died for Religion Nor to Undervalue all the Liberties which they now Enjoy if they may not be allow'd to Exceed the Measures of their Fathers We wish they would not for the paring of their nails make all Christendom ring with Cries of Persecution We wish them deeply to lay to Heart the Honor and Peace and Welfare of their Nation To abhor him that could wish to see it in Troubles in hope that at next Turn it would settle in Popery or that could finde in his heart to bid a Foreigner welcome upon the terms of restoring Catholick Religion We desire them to keep their Religion to themselves and not lay about them as some do to make Proselytes of which they have had a plentiful harvest in the late Confusions and if they should think to go on at that rate we have reason to fear it would be a means to bring us into Confusion again We desire them at least not to abuse the weakness of dying persons nor under pretence of carrying Alms to condemn'd Prisoners to Convert some of them with Drink and to Cheat others with hopes of Salvation upon easier tearms than ever God yet declar'd unto Men. We desire them not to hinder the course of Justice by interposing in the behalf of any Criminal because he is a Catholick We desire them to content themselves as their Fathers have done with such Priests as are known and protected by the Civil Power and that They would be pleas'd to demean themselves as Priests ought to do not disguising themselves like Hectors or mingling with Gentlemen to poyson the Clubs and Coffee-Houses with Phanatick Discourses or even with Atheism it self to destroy all Religion that they may have their will upon ours We desire them not to fill the World with their Pamphlets Parallels Philanaxes Exhortations Apologies c which tend only to the fermenting of Mens Passions not at all to the conviction of their Reason If they please to come into the fair Field of Controversie we shall not decline them and we think we are not in Debt to them upon that Account But for Books of the other sort which are apt only to inflame Parties and make the People Jealous and the Government Uneasie We wish they would spare their Own pains and consequently Ours If they will not let them bear their own blame and let them Answer it to the world what Occasion they had to give us this trouble of Answering them FINIS V. Cambdeni Annales Anno 1586. concerning Babington's Conspiracy * Answer to Philanax p. 85 †So Argyle said Let them take all since my Lord the King is come home in peace * K James Premonition p. 336. of his Works * V. Iâ—â— K. Charles his Testimony in his Letter to the Prince Conc. Lateran IV. c. 3. Bellarm. in Barclaium c. 31. †Extrav de Majoritate Oâ—ed c. 1. Unam sanctam * 1 Pet. 2. 13. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 â—ulg Lat. Omâ—â— humanae 〈◊〉 Jer. 1. 10. Plat. in Vit. Bonf. VIII Lanc. in Temploomn Judic l. 2. c. 1. Sect. 4 Ib. in Traef Bell. de Rom. Pont. l 5. c. 8. Baron Anno 800. Sect. 10. Bell. in Bar claium c. 3. Suar. in Reg. M. B. l. 6. c. 4. Sect. 20. Greg. de Val. Tom. 3. in Thomam dis 1. q. 12. p. 2 â—hilopater p. 149. * Jan. 15. 1615 †Note that the Pope sent him thanks for it King James writ in answer to it that solid Defence of the Right of Kings * Ross. p. 85. * Bell. de Rom. Pont. l. 5. c. 7. †Watsons Quodlibets p. 255 and 295 c. out of Bannez Valentia and Parsons The Exhortation in the afternoon p. 22. 1. His speech in Parliament p 504. of his Works Daniel's Hist. Ric. I. in fin Walsingham Edw. I. 1298. 25. E. 3. Vide Statute of Provisors * Mat. Westm. 1301. Thu. Hist. l. 1. The Spaniard holds the Kingdoms of Navar and of Naples and Sicily only by the Popes gift by which he should have Ireland too and England but that the right Heir keeps them from him Walsingham Hist. Edw. I. 1306. Letter to the Prince †V L'Estrange 1639. in Habernfields Relation * Answer to the Reasons for no Address Large Declaration concerning the tumults in Scotland p. 3. * Answer to the Reasons for the Votes of no Address †Answer to Philanax p. 59 Dolemans Conference of Succession part 2. p. 237. * Second Moderator p. 43. * 1647 1656 1659. †First Moderator p. 59. * Second Moderator p. 41. V. Answer to Philanax p. 63. of Father Bret. †First Moderator p. 31. * First Moderator p. 36. * K. James Defence of the Right of Kings p. 479 480. * Thu. Hist. l 53. * Thu. Hist. l. 52. * Guignard in his Oration said It was ae great error that they had not cut the Basilick vein * Id. l. 53. * Thu. Hist. l. 52. saith that being forewarn'd of the Plot advised to stand upon his Guard He wisht rather to have his Body drag'd c. than to see any more Civil Wars in Franc. Defence of the right of Kings in his Works p. 479 480. Thu. Hist. l. 53. * Henry III. of France * Henry IV. †Thu. Hist. l. 91. * Rossaeus one of your Predecessors calls him a thousand times worse than Mahomet p. 170. saith From the beginning of the world no Nation or State ever endured such a Tyrant p. 171. * Sixtus â— quoted his own Prediction in his Oration that follows * Printed at Paris 1589 by the Printers of the Holy League and approved by the Sorbon * K. James works p. 483. Canon Agatho Dist. 63. Fauchet Anno 801. c. 10. that the Pope ador'd him not he the Pope * Council of Frankford An. 794. Philopater p. 103. Ross. p. 223. saith of them that were pretended to die for your Religion Where was it ever heard that they denied her to have been the lawful Queen * Philip II. and Henry III. for themselves the Emperor Maximilian for his Brother Charles * Council of Trent l. 5. An 1558. * In his Letter by Parpaglia dated 1560. May 5. * Dated 1570. Feb. 25. †See the Bull it self there is not the least mention of Bastardy in it * James Buoncompagno †Don John * Whom his Holiness had created Marquess of Lemster Earl of Wexford c. Thu. Hist. l. 64. Cambden Eliz. 1600. * Cambden Eliz 1588. †Cardinal Allen's Admonition V. Watson's Quodl p. 240. and 247. * Cambden Eliz An. 1589. Watso Quodl p. 150. †Cambden Ib. Anno 1593. Watson Ib. p. 154. * Cambden Ib. Anno 1594. Dolmans Conference about the next succession to the Crown †Dolman part 2. p. 9. * Cambden Ib. 1602. Watson Ib. p. 279. †Dolman Ib. p. 109. * Ib. p 110. †VVatson Ib. p. 107. * Tortura Torti p. 197. * Watson Ib. p. 150. * V. Thu. Hist. l. 1. * Philopater p. 308. and 323. v. Thu. Ib. * Baldwin Hammond Tesmund and Gerard were named by the Conspirators as privy with them * V. VVatsons Confession * V. His speech in Parliament 1605. and his Relation c. Warmington p. 7. saith None were therein culpable but only Jesuites and Catholicks Casaub. Epist. ad Front Duâ—â—um * King James Speech in Parliament 1605. * Ib. * Tortus p. 85. Edit Colon. * Sixti Orat. * 5 Jesuiteb 13. Lay-men besides Owen and Stanley * At La Fleche and elsewhere * V. Her Life p. 61. and p. 156 157. * Garnet in the Case of the Powder-plot Lord Orory's Answer to Wâ—lsh p. 20. saith Within few months about two hundred thousand * First Moderator p. 76. Your own Kindred and Allies your own Countrymen born to the same freedom with your selves who have in Much less measure than the Scots offended in matter of Hostility nay divers of them not at all * Second Mo derater p. 43. Most of them in the begining of the late War seeing themselves unprotected by the Parliament exposed to the plunder of the then Soldiery fled into the King's Garrisons to save their own lives without taking up Arms to offend others * Second Moderator p. 43. * Mr Langford * In his Victory of Truth D. of Medina in 88. said his Sword knew no distinction between Catholick and Heretick * V. Cambden's Eliz. 1602.