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A07880 The Popes funerall Containing a plaine, succinct, and pithy reply, to a pretensed answere of a shamelesse and foolish libell, intituled, The forerunner of Bels downfall. VVhich is nothing else indeede, (as the indifferent reader shall preceiue by the due peruse thereof,) but an euident manifestation of his owne folly; with the vtter confusion of poperie, and all popish vassals throughout the Christian world. Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610. 1605 (1605) STC 1825; ESTC S101478 72,528 132

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let me haue their speedy answer the acceptance of this challēge in such maner as is required in the former challēge They haue now 2. seueral times assaulted my booke of Suruey haue fought the combat with one silly so supposed cōtradiction set down in the 3. chapter of Priests marriage they therefore cannot for shame refuse the acceptance of this challenge I do require but an answere to two only chapters of my said booke of Suruey where the dealing of Pope Siricius is handled at large and doubtles if they dare not answere two chapters of one onely booke because they cannot perform the same much lesse dare they answere the whole booke of my Suruey and least of all dare they frame set forth and publish to the view of the world a direct full answer to all my books No no they dare neuer do such an act dum spiritus hos alit artus what they dare do when I am dead I know not Let vs now proceed to the Downe-fall of Popery and view how the libelling Iesuite doeth vnderprop and stay the same from falling CHAP. III. Of a terrible Monster without both head and foote THE scurrilous Libeller that noysome Caterpiller hauing perused my whole booke of the Downe-fall of Popery hath picked out fiue things onely of the least importance with the which his courage serued him to grapple yet like a toothlesse dog that cannot bite he doeth but snatch here and there at my shoe-heeles grinning and barking as a mad curre One article that booke hath of vnwritten Popish traditions containing about eight and twentie whole leaues foure propositions and foure conclusions with sundry obiections solutions and much other matter of great importance This notwithstanding the silly Libeller alas for pity hath made choyce not of one sentence but of one onely piece of one sentence to what end and purpose let the Reader iudge for it passeth my skill to diuine Dauus sum non Oedipus These are his expresse words Many Papists quoth he are so blinded and besotted with vnsauory traditions superstitious illusions that they deeme it a greater sin to eate flesh in Lent then to commit adultery murder or periury This is all that the Libeller hath against my booke touching the 5. things wherof he made his choyce If it bee demaunded to what end hee brought this patch or piece of one only sentence I answere as before in the title of the chapter that it is a monster without either head or foote and so aboue my reach Quae supra nos nihil ad nos My sentence being a part of the proofe of my fourth proposition beginneth thus Another cōtrouersy touching traditions c. It containeth nine whole lines whereof he omitted almost fiue together with the word yea which word did intimate vnto him that his words were respectiue and had relation vnto that which went before yet he of purpose omitted it because it would not serue his turne but haue marred his game But doth he say nothing for himself Truly he saith somthing but it is scarce worth the rehearsall The substāce is this That I haue vttered a notable vntruth brought nothing to support it but mine owne bare word Much railing stuffe he hath of Precisians of a Winters morning lecture practised in the Family of loue and of one that was drowned c. which things being altogether impertinent I let passe as foolish toyes and leaue them to himselfe For the proofe of my bare word I answer thus First that my bare word of affirmation in such a piece of a sentence is as good as his bare negation in the same case especially seeing he hath cut my sentence asunder with his patching and nipping hath deformed it and marred the beauty thereof Secondly that things known by experience must be tryed by men expert in that kind of faculty For example sake if the Libeller will deny the fire to be hote or water to bee cold I can say no more but appeale to experience Thirdly that the controuersy may soone be decided if we call to mind what the Seminary Popish Priests haue written against the Iesuits They charge the Iesuits to take pleasure in murdring Princes to haue murdred Henrie the third King of Fraunce to haue suborned Yorke Williams Squire and sundry others to lay their violent hands vpon Queene Elizabeth late Queene of England of happy memory Piercie the Iesuite escaping from Wisbich is charged to haue taken fraudulently from Benefactors abroad fiftie seuen pounds seuenteene shillings and the yere after to haue stolen twenty seuen pounds of the common money by the consent of the other his fellow-Iesuites An other Iesuite is charged to haue taken at times aboue fiue hundred pounds that was giuen to the imprisoned Priests then at Wisbich to haue imployed the same at his owne pleasure The Iesuites are charged to affect rule ouer the Secular Cleargy so to bring armes and conquest into the Church contrary to all scriptures and to that end to manage matters of State more Machauisianly then Machiauel himselfe yea the learned Papists of Fraunce in their Catechisme trāslated into English by the seminary priests affirme Henrie Sammier of Luxenburge that notable Iesuite to haue dealt as ordinarily with Dice Cards and women as with his prefixed houres of prayer Much other like stuffe I might easily bring against our Iesuites but let this content them vntill the next Mart and yet forsooth our Iesuites who deale so familiarly with murders theft cards dice women and coozenage wil in no wise without the Popes dispensation eate an egge or a piece of cheese in Lent so scrupulous they are in the one and so licencious and prodigall in the other So Austens testimony is sufficient in this behalfe whose wordes are these Sed hoc nimis doleo quia multa quae in diuinis libris saluberrima praecepta sunt minus curantur tam multis prasumptionibus sic plena sunt omnia vt grauius corripiatur qui per octauas suas terram nudo pede tetigerit quàm qui m●ntem vinolentia sepelierit But this I greatly lamēt that many things cōmanded most wholesomely in the holy scriptures are not regarded and all things so replenished with presumptions that he is more seuerely reproued who with his bare foot toucheth the ground within his Octaues then he that lyeth drunke in the streete So then it is apparent to all such as haue eyes to see that many are more scrupulous to doe against a superstitious obseruation then to transgresse Gods holy precepts Wel if the Libeller durst to haue but once touched the substance of any one article in the Down-fall of Popery I should haue turned him vpside downe and wholy out of his skin which thing he so feared indeede that hee durst not deale but by snatches and patches by slaundering lying coozening and iuggling CHAP. IIII. Of Cardinall Bellarmines opinion