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A02848 An ansvver to the first part of a certaine conference, concerning succession, published not long since vnder the name of R. Dolman Hayward, John, Sir, 1564?-1627. 1603 (1603) STC 12988; ESTC S103906 98,388 178

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true heire to the crowne Between these two as in all vsurpations it is vsuall vvar vvas raised but by the vnsearchable iudgement of God the duke of Lorraine vvas cast to the ground And there is little doubt but if he had preuailed Lorraine had bene at this day a member of the crowne of France The like answer may be giuen to your example of Suintilla this beside that the kingdom of the Gothes in Spaine vvas not then setled in succession chiefly during the reigne of Victeric Gundemir Sisebuth Suintilla Sicenand Cinthilla and Tulca The historie of Alphonso another of your examples standeth thus Alphonso had a sonne called Ferdinand who died during the life of his father left two yong sons behinde him After the death of Ferdinand his yonger brother Sancho practised with D. Lope Diaz de Haro Lord of Biscay to procure him to be aduanced to the successiō of the kingdom before his nephewes D. Lope vndertoke the deuise drawing some other of the nobilitie to the partie they so wrought with the king that in an assembly of the states at Segouia Sancho was declared successor the childrē of Ferdinand appointed to be kept in prison But Sancho either impatiēt to linger in expectatiō or suspicious that his father grew inclinable towards his nephewes made league with Mahomed Mir king of Granado a Moore by whose ayde by the nobilitie of his faction he caused him selfe to be declared king Heerevpon Alphonso was enforced to craue assistance of Iacob Aben Ioseph king of Maroco who before had bene an enemie to Alphōso but vpon detestatiō of this vnnatural rebelliō he sent forces to him protesting notwithstāding that so soone as the war should be ended he wold become his enemie againe So Alphonso by help partly of the Marocco Moores partly of his subiects which remained loyall maintained against his sonne both his title state during his lyfe but not without extremitie of bloudshed opportunitie for the Moores being assistāt to both parties to make themselues more strong within the countries of Spaine For this cause Alphonso disinherited his sonne by his testament and cast a cruell cursse vpon him his posteritie afterward it vvas ordeined in an assembly of the states holden at Tero that the childrē of the elder brother deceased should be preferred before their vnckle How then will you verifie your two points by this historie First that Alphonso vvas depriued by a publick act of parlament secondly that it turned to the great cōmoditie of the state It is not a milliō of Masses that are sufficiēt to satisfie for all your deceitful malicious vntruthes I meruaile how the rebellion of Absolon against king Dauid his father escaped you Oh it wanted successe you could not so easily disguise the report You write that the common wealth of Spaine resoluing to depose D. Pedro the cruell sent for his brother Henry out of france required him to bring a strength of frenchmen with him but hereby you make it plain that the common wealth was not fully agreed The truth is that this was a dangerous deuisiō of the state between two concurrents some holding for Henry some for Pedro. Henry obtained forren asistance by the french Pedro by the english In the meane time whilst Peter was throwen out of state by the forces of france after that Henry by the armes of england againe Peter deiected both from dignitie and life by his brother Henry the poore country became a spectacle for one of your enterludes Your example of Don Sancho Capello king of Portugal containeth many intollerable vntruthes For neither was he depriued of his dignitie neither did the Pope counsell of Lions giue either authoritie or consent that he should be depriued neither was he driuen out of his realme into Castilla neither died he in banishmēt neither was Alphonso his brother king during his life These fiue vntruths you huddle into one heape The counsaile of Lions wholy opposed against the deposing of Don Sancho notwithstanding many disabilities were obiected against him in regard wherof they gaue directiō that Alphonso his brother should be regent of the realme as in that case it is both vsuall fit But Sancho taking this to dislike did seeke aide of the king of Castile in that pursuite ended his life without issue wherby the right of succession deuolued to Alphonso To your examples of greeke Emperours I will answer by your words which are that for the most part they came not orderly to the crowne but many times the meanes thereof were tribulent and seditious The deposing of Henry king of Polonia I acknowledge to be both true iust I haue nothing to except against it When the crowne of France did discend vnto him he forsooke Polonia refused to return again to that swaggering gouernment wherevpon they did depose him Giue vs the like case you shal be allowed the like proceeding but you esteeme your examples by tale not by touch being not much vnlike a certaine mad fellow in Athens who imagined euery ship which was brought into the hauen to be his for vvhatsoeuer you finde of a king deposed you lay claime vnto it as both lawfully done and pertayning to your purpose whereas one of these doth alwaies faile Concerning your two examples one of Sueden and the other of Denmarke I shall haue occasion to speake hereaf●er The nobility of those countries pretēd that their kings are not soueraigne but that the power in highest matters of state pertaineth vnto them If it bee thus the examples are not appliable to the question if it be otherwise then the princes had wrong Wee are come now to our domesticall examples the first whereof is that of king Iohn who was deposed by the Pope you say at the suite of his owne people All this people was the Archbishop of Cant. the bish of London and the bish of Ely at whose cōplaint the Pope did write to Phillip king of France that hee should expell king Iohn out of his realme If not conscience if not ordinarie honestie pure shame should haue drawen you to another forme of writing Hee was also depriued you say afterwards by his Barons Heauy beast call you this a depriuation The commons were neuer called to consent the Clergie were so opposite to those that stoode in armes against king Iohn that they procured excommunication against them first generally then by name lastly Lewes the French kings sonne was also included of the Nobilitie which is onely the third state of the realme I make no doubt but some reserued themselues to bee guided by successe others and namely the Earles of Warren Arundell Chester Penbrooke Ferrers Salisburie and diuers Barons did openly adhere vnto king Iohn you may as well call any other rebellion a depriuation as affirme that the rest either did or might depriue him And whereas you bring in king Henry the third as a most worthie successour after this depriuation I will derogate nothing from his worthinesse but there was neuer king in England who
parlament vvas king Richard deposed vvher did the states assemble vvhen did they send for the earle of Richmond to put him down by what decree by vvhat messengers Ther is no answer to be made but one and that is to confesse ingenuously that you say vntrue that it is your vsuall manner of deceiuing to impute the act of a few vnto all to make euerie euent of armes to be a iudicial proceeding of the common wealth For it is manifest that the earle of Richmond had his first strēgth from the king of France that after his discent into England more by halfe both of the nobilitie common people did stand for king Richard then stirre against him You adioyne for a speciall consideration that most excellent princes succeeded these vvhom you affirme to be deposed I vvill nor extenuate the excellencie of any Prince but I hould it more vvorthie to be considered that these disorders spent England a sea of bloud In the ende you conclude that all these depriuations of Princes vvere lawfull Nay by your fauour if you sweat out your braines you shall neuer euince that a fact is lawfull beecause it is done Yes you say for othervvise two great inconueniences vvould follow one that the actes of those that vvere put in their place should be voide and vniust the other that none vvho now pretend to these Crownes could haue any tytle ●or that they descend from them vvho succeeded those that were depriued You deserue now to be basted with words vvell stiped in vineger and salt but I will be more charitable vnto you and leaue bad speaches to black mouthes For the first the possession of the crowne purgeth all defects and maketh good the actes of him that is in authoritie although he vvanteth both capacitie and right And this doth Vlpian expressely determine vpon respect as he saith to the common good For the other point the successors of an vsurper by course and compasse of time may prescribe a right if they vvho haue receiued wrong discontinue both pursuit and claime P●normitane saith Successor in dignitate potest praescribere non abstante vitio sui praedecessor is A successor in dignitie may prescribe notwithstāding the fault of his predecessor otherwise causes of vvar should be immortall and titles perpetually remaine vncertaine Now then for summarie collection of all that you haue saide your protestations are good your proofes light and loose your conclusions both dangerous false The first doth sauour of God the second of man the third of the diuell To the fourth Chapter which beareth tytle Wherein consisteth principally the lawfulnesse of proceeding against Princes which in the former Chapter is mencioned What interest Princes haue in their subiects goods or liues How oathes doe binde or may bee broken of subiects towards their Princes and finally the difference betweene a good king and a tyrant HEere you cloase with Billaye vpon two points first vvhether a king is subiect to any law Secondly whether all temporalities are in proprietie the Kings but because these questions doe little perteine to our principall controuersie I vvill not make any stay vpon them it suffiseth that vve may say vvith Seneca Omnia rex imperio possidet singuli domino The king hath empire euery man his particular proprietie in all things After this you proceede further to make good that the Princes before mencioned vvere lawfully deposed and that by all law both diuine and humane naturall nationall and positiue Your cause is so badd that you haue need to set a bould countenance vpon it But what deuine lawes doe you alleage You haue largely beefore declared you saye that GOD doth approoue the forme of gouernmēt vvhich euery common wealth doth choose as also the conditions and statutes which it doth appoint vnto her prince I must now take you for a naturall lyer when you wil not forbeare to bely your selfe you neuer proued any such matter the contrary is euident that sometimes entire gouernments often customes statutes of state very commonly accidentall actiōs are so vnnaturall vniust that otherwise then for a punishment and curse wee cannot say that God doth approue thē We haue often heard that the Church cannot erre in matters of Faith but that in matter of gouerment a cōmon wealth cannot erre it was neuer I assure my selfe published before But let vs suppose supposall is free that God alloweth that forme of gouernment which euery common wealth doth choose doth it therfore follow that by all deuine lawes princes may be deposed by their subiects these broken peeces will neuer bee squared to forme strong argument But wherefore doe not you produce the deuine canons of scripture surely they abhorre to speake one word in your behalfe yea they doe giue expresse sentence against you as I haue shewed before Well let this passe among your least escapes in making God either the author or aider of rebelliō you alledge no other humane law but that princes are subiect vnto law and order I vvill not denie but ther is a duty for princes to performe but how proue you that their subiects haue power to depose them if they faile In this manner As the common vvealth gaue them their authoritie for the common good so it may also take the same away if they abbuse it But I haue manifested before both that the people may so graunt away their authoritie that they cannot resume●t also that few princes in y● world hold their state by graunt of the people I will neuer heereafter esteeme a mans valure by his voice Your braue boast of all lawes diuine humane naturall nationall and positiue is disolued into smoake you busie your selfe as the Poets wright of Morpheus in presenting shadowes to men a sleepe But the chiefest reason you say the very ground and foundation of all Soft what reason what ground if you haue alreadie made proofe by all lawes humane and deuine naturall nationall and positiue what better reason what surer ground will you bring Tush these interruptions The chiefest reason you say the very ground and foundation of all is that the common wealth is superiour to the prince and that the authoritie which the prince hath is not absolute but by the way of mandate and commission from the common wealth This is that which I expected all this time you haue hetherto approached by stealing steps you are now come cloase to the wall do but mount into credit and the fort is your owne You affirmed at the first that princes might be deposed for disabilitie then for misgouernmen● now vpon pleasure and at will For they who haue giuen authoritie by cōmission doe alwaies retaine more then they graunt are not excluded either frō commanding or iudging by way of preuention concurrence or evocation euen in those cases which they haue giuen in charge The reason is declared by Vlpian because hee to whom iurisdiction is committed
annointing from France Well let the ceremonie be taken from whence you please if the oath be no other then you do specifie To obserue peace honour and reuerence vnto Almighty God to his Church and to the Ministers of the same to administer Law and Iustice equally to all to abrogate euill lawes and customes and maintaine good which was the oath of king Richard the first the like whereto was that of king Iohn altered only in the first branch To loue and defend the Catholicke Church If the oath be no other I say I do not see what other answer you need to expect but that it is onely a free royall promise to discharge that duty which God doth impose And this is plainely declared by the speech which you alleage of Thomas Arundell Archbishop of Canterbury to king Henry the fourth Remember saith he the oath which voluntarily you made voluntarily he sayd and not necessarily it was voluntary in oath but necessary in duty That which you report also that Thomas Becket did write vnto king Henry the second importeth nothing else but an acknowledgement of duty Remember said he the confession which you made I cannot omit your description of the manner of the Coronation in England First you say the king i● sworne then the Archbishop declareth to the people what he hath sworne and demaundeth if they be content to submit themselues vnto him vnder those conditions whereunto they consenting he putteth on the royall ornaments and then addeth the words of commission Stand and hold thy place and keepe thy oath And thus you haue hammered out a formall election supposing that you draw together the peeces of falshood so close that no man can perceiue the seame The truth is that king Henry the fourth being not the nearest in bloud to the inheritance of the crowne did countenance his violence with the election of the people not at his Coronation but in a Parliament that was holden before And therefore you do impudently abuse vs First in ioyning them together as one act Secondly by falsifying diuerse points in both Lastly by insinuating that the same order was obserued by other kings The points which you falsifie are these The interrogation of the Archbishop to the people the absurd straining of these words Stand hold thy place to be a Commission the alleaging also out of Stow 1. That the Archbishop did reade vnto the people what the King was bound vnto by oath 2. That the Earle of Northumberland did shew a ring vnto the people that they might thereby see the band whereby the king was bound vnto them 3. That the king did pray that he might obserue his promise In which composition of conceits you shew how actiue you are in counterfaiting any thing that may make to your purpose perswading your selfe that it is no fraud vnto God to deceiue the world in a lye for aduantage King Edward the fourth also because his right was litigious another was in possession of the crowne strengthened or rather countenanced his title with the approbation of the people But where you write that at the Coronation of King Edward the sixth Queene Mary and Queene Elizabeth the consent and acceptation of the people was demanded First we haue no cause to credite any thing that you say then although it be true yet not being done in Parliament it addeth no right vnto the Prince but is only a formality a circumstance only of ceremony and order Hereupon you conclude that a king hath his authority by agreement and contract betweene him the people insinuating thereby that he looseth the same if he either violate or neglect his word The contrary opinion that only succession of bloud maketh a king that the cōsent of the people is nothing necessary you affirme to be absurd base and impious an vnlearned fond and wicked assertion in flattery of Princes to the manifest ruine of common-wealths and peruerting of all law order and reason I did alwayes foresee that your impostumed stomacke would belch forth some loathsome matter But whosoeuer shall compare this confident conclusion with the proofes that you haue made he will rather iudge you mad then vnwise This bold blast vpon grounds that are both foolish and false bewrayeth rather want then weaknesse of wits I am ashamed I should offer any further speech in so euident a truth but since I haue vndertaken to combate an herisie since the matter is of so great consequence import I purpose once againe to giue you a gorge Learne then heauy-headed Cloisterer vnable to mannage these mysteries of State Learne of me I say for I owe this duty to all Christians the Prophets the Apostles Christ himselfe hath taught vs to be obedient to Princes though both tyrants and infidels This ought to stand with vs for a thousand reasons to submit our selues to such kings as it pleaseth God to send vnto vs without either iudging or examining their qualities Their hearts are in Gods hand they do his seruice sometimes in preseruing sometimes in punishing vs they execute his iudgement both wayes in the same measure which he doth prescribe If they abuse any part of their power we do not excuse we do not extenuate it we do not exempt them from their punishment let them looke vnto it let them assuredly expect that God will dart his vengeance against thē with a most stiffe and dreadfull arme In the meane season we must not oppose our selues otherwise then by humble sutes and prayers acknowledging that those euils are alwayes iust for vs to suffer which are many times vniust for them to do If we do otherwise if we breake into tumult and disorder we resemble those Giants of whom the Poets write who making offer to scale the skies and to pul Iupiter out of his throne were ouerwhelmed in a moment with the mountaines which they had heaped together Beleeue it Cloisterer or aske any man who is both honest and wise and he will tell you It is a rule in reason a triall in experience an authority confirmed by the best that rebellion produceth more horrible effects then either the tyranny or insufficiency of any Prince To the sixth Chapter whereof the title is What is due to onely succession by birth and what interest or right an Heire apparant hath to the Crowne before he is crowned or admitted by the commonwealth and how iustly he may be put backe if he hath not the partes requisite YOV begin after your manner with a carreir against Billay but because both I haue not seene what he hath written and dare not credite what you report I will not set in foote betweene you In breaking from this you preferre succession of Princes before free election as well for other respects as for the preeminence of auncetrie in birth which is so much priuiledged in the Scripture and yet not made so inuiolable you say but vpon iust causes it might be inuerted as it appeareth by the examples of
sort to excuse them They are the best that your starued both cause and conceipt can possibly affoord and you haue also some fellowes in your folly Heliogabalus did solemnely ioyne the statues of the Sunne and of the Moone in mariage together Nero was maried to a man and tooke also a man to his wife The Venetians doe yearely vpon Ascention day by a ring and other ceremonies contract mariage with the sea But now in earnest men do dye whensoeuer it pleaseth God to call them but it is a Maxime in the common law of England Rex nunquam moritur The king is alwaies actually in life In Fraunce also the same custome hath bene obserued and for more assurance it was expresly enacted vnder Charles the fifth That after the death of any king his eldest sonne should incontinently succeede For which cause the Parliamēt court of Paris doth accompanie the funeral obsequies of those that haue bene their kings not in mourning attire but in scarlet the true ensigne of the neuer-dying Maiestie of the Crowne In regard of this certaine and incontinent succession the Glossographer vpon the Decrees noteth That the sonne of a king may be called King during the life of his father as wanting nothing but administration wherein he is followed with great applause by Baldus Panormitane Iason Carol. Ruinus Andreas Iserna Martinus Card. Alexander Albericus Fed. Barbatius Philip Decius Ant. Corsetta Fra. Luca Matthe Afflict And the same also doth Sernius note out of Virgil where he saith of Ascanius Regemque requirunt his father Aeneas being yet aliue But so soone as the king departeth out of life the royaltie is presently transferred to the next successor according to the lawes and customes of our Realme All Writs go foorth in his name all course of iustice is exercised all Offices are held by his authoritie all states all persons are bound to beare to him alleageance not vnder supposall of approbation when hee shall be crowned according to your dull and drowsie coniecture but as being the true Soueraigne king of the Realme He that knoweth not this may in regard of the affaires of our state ioyne himself to S. Anthony in glorying in his ignorance professing that he knoweth nothing Queene Mary raigned three mon●ths before she was crowned in which space the Duke of Northumberland and others were condemned and executed for treason for treason I say which they had committed before she was proclaimed Queene King Edward the first was in Palestina when his father dyed in which his absence the Nobilitie and Prelates of the Realme assembled at London and did acknowledge him for their king In his returne homeward he did homage to the French king for the lands which he held of him in France He also repressed certaine rebels of Gascoine amongst whom Gasco of Bierne appealed to the court of the king of Fraunce where king Edward had iudgement that Gasco had committed treason and therupon he was deliuered to the pleasure of king Edward And this hapned before his coronation which was a yeare and nine mon●ths after he began to raigne King Henry the sixth was crowned in the eighth yeare of his raigne and in the meane space not onely his subiectes did both professe and beare alleageance but the King of Scottes also did sweare homage vnto him What neede I giue any more either instance or argument in that which is the cleare lawe the vncontroulled custome of the Realme Against which notwithstanding your weather-beatē forehead doth not blush to oppose a blind opinion that heires apparant are not true kings although their titles be iust and their predecessors dead This you labour to prooue by a few drye coniectures but especially and aboue all others you say because the Realme is asked three times at euery coronation whether they will haue such a man to be their king or no. First wee haue good reason to require better proofe of this question then your bare word secondly although we admit it to be true yet seeing the aunswer is not made by the estates of the Realme assembled in parliament but by a confused concurse necessarie Officers excepted of all sorts both of age and sexe it is for ceremonie only not of force either to giue or to increase any right Another of your arguments is for that the Prince doth first sweare to gouerne well and iustly before the subiects take their oath of alleageance which argueth that before they were not bound And further you affirme that it happened onely to king Henry the fifth among his predecessors to haue fealtie done vnto him before hee was crowned and had taken his oath I confesse indeed that Polydore and St●w haue written so but you might easily haue found that they write not true the one of them being a meere straunger in our state the other a man more to be commended for indeuour then for art King Iohn being in Normandie when his brother dyed sent into England Hubert Archbishop of Canterburie VVilliam Marshall Earle of Strigvile and Geoffrie Fitzpeter Lord chiefe ●ustice who assembled the States of the Realme at Northhampton and tooke of them an oath of obedience to the new king Also king Henry the third caused the Citizens of London the Guardians of the Cinque-ports and diuers others to sweare fealtie to Prince Edward his sonne who being in Palestina when his father died the Nobilitie and Prelates of the Realme assembled in the new temple at London and did acknowledge him for their king And in like manner king Edward the third tooke an oath of all the Nobilitie of the Realme of faith after his death to Richard Prince of Wales and so did king Henry the first for his daughter Mawde and her yong sonne Henry After the death of king Henry the fifth that subiects did often sweare alleageance before the coronation and oath of the king you had neither countenance nor conscience to deny but it was neither of these two which did restraine you it proceeded onely from the force of truth which will manifest it selfe whatsoeuer art we vse to disguise it For otherwise what countenance what conscience had you to affirme that it is expresly noted by our English Historiographers That no alleageance is due vnto kings before they bee crowned Who are these Historiographers where doe they so write you that search euery dustie corner of your braines for a fewe ragged reasons to vphold your heresie should not either haue mentioned or omitted such pregnant proofes for in that you affirme and do not expresse them you condemne your selfe by your owne silence If you meane that which you alleadge out of Polydore and Stowe That an oath of fealtie was neuer made before coronation vntill the time of king Henry the fifth it is neither true nor to any such sence If you meane that of Polydore in tearming Henry the fift Prince and not King before he
of France a law was made that bastards should not succeed in the Crowne and yet other bastards of great houses were stil aduowed the French being then of the same opinion with Peleus in Euripides 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Oftentimes many bastardes excell those that are lawfully borne which is verified by Hercules Alexander the great Romulus Timotheus Themistocles Homer Demosthenes Brutus Bion Bartolus Gratian Peter Lombard Peter Comesior Io. Andreas and diuers other of most flourishing name Your examples of Lewes the 6. and Lewes the 11. are not worth a word in answere In the beginning of their raigne you affirme that they had like to haue beene disinherited by the state for the offences of their Father You beare a minde charged with thoughtes vaine busie and bolde without any restreint either of honestie or of discretion For how else could you here also affirme that King Henry the third of England was condemned by his Barons to be disinherited for the fault of his Father It is vsuall with you in all your reports either plainely to breake beyond the boundes of all truth or grossely for I cannot now say artificially to disguise it with many false and deceiueable termes But to conclude for the state of France which is also to exclude whatsoeuer you haue said vnder the raigne of Charles the fift for the better establishment of this right and for cutting of those calamities which accompanie vsurpatiō there was a lawe made that after the death of any King the eldest sonne should incontinently succeede We are now come to our English examples of which you might haue omitted those of the Saxon kings as well for that there could be no setled forme of gouernment in those tumultuous times as also for that our Histories of that age are very imperfect not leading vs in the circumstances either of the maner or occasion of particular actions they declare in grosse what things were done without further opening either how or wherefore But both these doe make for your aduantage for who seeth not that your exāples are chiefly bred in tempestuous times and the obscuritie of Histories will serue for a shadowe to darken your deceit Well let vs take both the times and Histories as they are How will you maintaine that Egbert was not next successour to Briticus by propinquitie of blood Briticus left no children and Egbert was descended of the blood royall as Polydore affirmeth William Malmesbury saith that he was the only man aliue of the royall blood being descended of Inegild the brother of King Ina. How then is it true which you say that Britricus was the last of the roial descēt and if it had beene so indeede the right of election should then haue bene in the state And thus you stumble at euery step you entangle your selfe without truth or ende You snatch at the words of Polydore where he saith He is created king by consent of all which doe imply no other sense but that which a little after he saith That he was saluted king by all So we finde also that the like improper speech was vsed at the coronatiō of Philip the second king of France whereby the Archbishop of Reimes did challenge power in the right of his Sea to make election of the king That Adelstane was illegitimate you follow Polydore a man of no great either industrie or iudgement William Malmesbury accounted Egwina the mother of Adelstane to be the first wife of king Edward his father he termeth her also a noble woman contrary to that which Polydore fableth Henry Huntington Roger Houeden and others write no otherwise of him but as of one that was lawfully borne And in that you english these words of Polydore Rex dicitur Rex a populo salutatur Hee was made king by the people In that you affirme also that for the opinion of his valure hee was preferred before his brethren which were lawfully borne whome you acknowledge to be men of most excellent both expectation and proofe you doe plainly shewe that vse hath made you too open in straining of truth Eldred did first take vpon him but as Protector because of the minoritie of the sonnes of Edmund his elder brother and afterward entred into ful possession of the Crowne But that his nephewes were put backe by the Realme it is your owne idle inuention it was no more the act of the realme then was the vsurpation of King Richard the third That Edwin was deposed from his estate it is inexcusably vntrue Polydore writeth that the Northumbrians and Mercians not fully setled in subiection made a reuolt Malmesburie saith that hee was maimed of a great part of his kingdome by the stroke of which iniurie he ended his life And whereas you write in commendation of King Edgar his next successor that he kept a Nauie of 6600. shippes for defence of the Realme you discouer your defectiue iudgement in embracing such reports for true In that you say that many good men of the Realme were of opinion not to admit the succession of Etheldred after the death of his brother I dare confidently affirme that you doe not only tel but make an vntruth hauing no author either to excuse or countenance the same In that you write also that betweene the death of Edmund Ironside and the raigne of William Conquerour it did plainly appeare what interest the Common-wealth hath to alter titles of succession it doth plainly appeare that both your reason and your conscience is become slauish to your violent desire For what either libertie or power had the Common-wealth vnder the barbarous rage and oppression of the Danes when Canutus had spread the winges of his fortune ouer the whole Realme none hauing either heart or power to oppose against him what choise was then left vnto the people what roome for right what man not banished from sobrietie of sence woulde euer haue saide that hee was admitted king by the whole Parliament and consent of the Realme It is true that after he had both violently and vniustly obtained full possession of the Realme slaine the brother of Edmund Ironside and conueied his children into Sueden he assembled the Nobilitie and caused himselfe to be crowned king but neither the forme nor name of a Parliament was then knowne in Englande and if coronation were sufficient to make a title no king should be accounted to vsurpe Of Harold the first the naturall sonne of Canutus our Histories doe verie differently report Saxo Grammaticus writeth that he was neuer king but that he died before his Father Henry of Huntington reporteth that he was appointed but as Regent for his brother Hardicanutus Others write that apprehending the opportunitie of his brothers absence he inuaded Northumberland and Mercia by force of the Danes who were in Englande wherevpon the Realme was diuided one part holding for Harolde and another for Hardicanutus who was in Denmarke But because hee
vntil it was violently drawn frō Sardanapalus to the Medes From them also Cyrus by subuersion of Astyages did transport it to the Persians and from them againe the Grecians did wrest it by conquest After the death of Alexander his captaines without any consent of the people made partition of the empire among them whose successors were afterwards subdued by the armies and armes of Rome And this empire beeing the greatest that euer the earth did beare was in the end also violentlie distracted by diuers seueral either conquests or reuolts Leo After writeth that it is not a hundred yeares since the people of Gaoga in Africk had neither king nor Lord vntill one hauing obserued the greatnesse and maiestie of the king of Tombute did enterprise to attaine soueraigntie aboue them which by violence he effected and left the same to his posteritie And because I will not bee tedious in running through particulars giue you an instance of anie one people which hath not diuers times receiued both Prince and gouernment by absolute constraint Et Phillidasolus habeto and I will yeeld to all that you affirme But failing herein you shall bee enforced to confesse that in manie yea in most if not in all countries the people haue receiued libertie either from the graunt or permission of the victorious Prince and not the prince authoritie from the vanquished people What helpes nowe doe you imagine that the people haue assigned to their Prince The first you affirme to be the direction of lawes But it is euident that in the first heroicall ages the people were not gouerned by anie positiue lawe but their kings did both iudge and commaund by their word by their will by their absolute power and as Pomponius saith Omnia manu a reg●bus gubernabantur Kings gouerned all things without either restraint or direction but onely of the lawe of nature The first lawe was promulged by Moses but this was so long before the lawes of other nations that Iosephus writeth It was more ancient then their gods affirming also that the word Law is not found in Homer or in Orpheus or in anie Writer of like antiquitie Of this law of nature Homer maketh mention in these words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And they who keepe the lawes which God hath prescribed And againe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vnciuill and vniust is he and wanting priuate state Who holdeth not all ciuill war in horror and in hate And of the iustice of kings he writeth in this maner 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In which verses Chrysostome affirmeth by the iudgment of Alexander that Homer hath delineated the perfect image of a King but that hee maketh mention of anie positiue lawes I doe rather doubt then assuredlie denie For Kings in auncient times did giue iudgment in person not out of any formalitie in lawe but onlie according to naturall equitie Virgil saith Hoc Priami gestamen erat cumiura vocatis More daret populis This was the robe which Priamus did alwaies vse to weare When he the people to him called their causes for to heare Which he doth also affirme of Aeneas Dido and of Alcestes The like doth Herodotus report of Midas king of Phrygia who consecrated his tribunall to Apollo and the like also dooth Plutarch of diuers kings of Macedonia Philarchus affirmeth in Athenaeus that the kings of Persia had palme trees and vines of goulde vnder which they did sit to heare causes But because it grew both troublesome tedious for al the people to receiue their right from one man lawes were inuented as Cicero saith and officers also appointed to execute the same Another original of lawes was thus occasioned When anie people were subdued by armes lawes were laid like logs vpon their necks to keepe them in more sure subiection which both because it is not doubtful and to auoid prolixitie I will manifest onlie by our owne example When the Romans had reduced the best part of this Iland into the forme of a prouince as they permitted libertie of lawe to no other countrie vnder their obedience so here also they planted the practise of their lawes and for this purpose they sent ouer manie professors and among others Papinian the most famous both for knowledge and integritie of all the authors of the ciuill lawe Againe when the Saxons had forced this Realme and parted it into seauen kingdomes they erected so manie settes of law of which onelie two were of continuance the Mercian lawe and the West Saxon law After these the Danes became victorious and by these newe Lordes new lawes were also imposed which bare the name of Dane-lawe Out of these three lawes partlie moderated partlie supplied King Edward the confessor composed that bodie of lawe which afterwardes was called Saint Edwards lawes Lastly the Normans brought the land vnder their power by whom Saint Edwards lawes were abrogated and not onlie new lawes but newe language brought into vse in somuch as all pleas were formed in French and in the same tongue children were taught the principles of Grammar These causes wee find of the beginning of lawes but that they were assigned by the people for assistance and direction to their kinges you bring neither argument nor authoritie for proofe it is a part of the drosse of your owne deuise The second helpe which you affirme that common wealthes haue assigned to their kings is by parliaments and priuie councelles But Parliaments in al places haue bin erected by kings as the parliament of Paris and of Montpellier in Fraunce by Philip the Faire the parliament in England by Henrie the first who in the sixteenth yeare of his raigne called a councell of all the states of his realme at Salisburie which our Historiographers do take for the first Parliament in England affirming that the kings before that time did neuer call the common people to counsell After this the priuie councell at the instance of the Archbishop of Canterburie was also established and since that time the counsellors of state haue alwaies bin placed by election of the Prince And that it was so likewise in auncient times it appeareth by tha● which Homer writeth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 First hee established a councell of honorable old men And likewise by Virgill gaudet regno Troianus Acestes Indicitque foru et patribus dat iura vocatis Acestes of the Troiane bloud in kingdome doth delight He sets a Court and councell cals giues ech man his right I will passe ouer your course foggio drowsie conceite that there are few or none simple monarchies in the world for it would tire any ●to toyle after your impertinent errours and wil now rip vp your packet of examples whereby you indeuour to shew that the power of kings hath bin brideled by their subiects But what do you infer hereby What can you inforce will you
delayed to come into England they all fell rather not to denie then to acknowledge Harold for their king Take now which of these reports you please for all do serue to your purpose alike Hardicanutus after the death of Harold came out of Denmarke into Englande and the people hauing their courages broken with bondage were easie to entertaine the strongest pretender But after his death diuers of the Nobilitie especially Godwine Earle of Kent rising into hope to shake off theyr shoulders the importable yoake of the Danes aduaunced Edwarde the sonne of Etheldred to the Crowne as being the next of the race of the Saxon Kings though not in blood yet at hand for Edward the outlawe his elder brother was then in Hungarie and feare being the only knot that had fastened the people to the Danish Kings that once vntied they all scattered from them like so many birdes whose cage had bene broken Edward being dead Harold the sonne of Godwine vsurped the kingdome for as Malmesburie saith By extorted faith frō the nobilitie he fastned vpon the Crowne a forceable gripe Henry Huntington also and out of him Polydore doe write that vpon confidence of his power he inuaded the Crowne which vsurpation gaue both encouragement and successe to the enterprise of the Normanes This short passage of Historie you doe defile with so many vntruthes that it seemeth you haue as naturall a gift to falsifie as to eate drinke or sleepe But where you write that William the Conqueror formed any title by cōsent of the realme you grow into the degree of ridiculous We finde that he pretended the institution of king Edward which had neither probabilitie norforce and that he was nearer to him in blood then Harold the vsurper but that hee euer pretended the election of the people it is your own clowted cōceit For whē he had rowted the English armie in the field when hee had sacked their Townes harried their Villages slain much people and bent his sworde against the brests of the rest what free election could they then make Your selfe acknowlede also in another place that hee came to the Crowne by dinte of sworde and at his death his owne conscience constrained him to confesse that hee tooke it without right And in that the Pope and the French King fauoured his enterprise it is not materiall this was not the first iniustice which they haue assisted Neither was it the Popes hallowed banner as you affirme but the bowe and the arrowe the only weapon of aduantage long time after to this Nation whereby hee did obtaine the victorie One helpe hee had also within the Realme for that King Edward had aduanced diuers Normans to high place both of dignitie and charge who gaue vnto him muche secret both incouragement and assistance in his attempt And thus in all these turbulent times you are so farre from finding fiue or sixe that you are short of any one who was made King by free authoritie of the people King William Rufus made no other title to the Crowne but the testament of his Father For often vse hath confirmed it for lawe that a Victor may freely dispose of the succession of that state which hee hath obtained by the purchase of his sword The conquerer disinherited his eldest son Robert for that knitting with Philip King of France he inuaded wasted and spoiled Normandie and ioyned in open battell against his father wherein the father was vnhorsed and wounded and brought to a desperate distresse of his life Herevpon he cast forth a cruel curse against his sonne which he could neuer be entreated to reuoke in so much as vpō his death-bed he said of him that it was a miserable countrey which should bee subiect to his dominion for that he was a proud and foolish knaue to be long scourged with cruell fortune And wheras you write that at the time of his fathers death he was absent in the warre of Hierusalem it is a very negligent vntruth But it is an idle vntruth that you write that Henry the first had no other title to the crowne but the election of the people He neuer was elected by the people he neuer pretended any such title Nubrigensis after him Polydore do report that he laid his title because he was borne after his father was king Malmesburie saith Henry the youngest sonne of William the great being an Infant according to the desires and wishes of all men was excellently brought vp because he alone of all the sonnes of William was princely borne and the kingdome seemed to appertaine vnto him He was borne in England in the third yeare after his father entred into it And this was the like controuersie to that which Herodotus reporteth to haue happened betweene the sonnes of Darius the sonne of Hystaspis king of Persia when hee prepared an expedition against the Grecians and Aegyptians because by the lawes of Persia the king might not enter into enterprise of armes before he had declared his successor Darius had three children before he was king by his first wife the daughter of Gobris and after he attained the kingdome he had other foure by Atossa the daughter of Cyrus Artabazanes was eldest of the first sort Xerxes of the second Artabazanes alledged that he was eldest of all the Kings children and that it was the custome amongst all men that the eldest should enioy the principalitie Xerxes alledged that he was begotten of Atossa the daughter of that king by whose puissance the Persians had gained not onely libertie but also power Before Darius had giuen sentence Demaratus the sonne of Aristo cast out of his kingdome of Sparta came vnto Xerxes and aduised him to alledge further that he was the eldest sonne of Darius after he was king and that it was the custome of Sparta that if any man had children in priuate estate and afterward an other sonne when he was king this last sonne should be his successor vpon which ground Darius pronounced in the behalfe of Xerxes The same historie is reported by Iustine and touched also by Plutarch although they differ both from Herodotus and one frō the other in some points of circumstance Hereto also agreeth that which Iosephus writeth in reprehending king Herod for excluding Alexander and Aristobulus his sonnes and appointing Antipater borne to him in priuate estate to succeed in his kingdome Many great Lawiers haue subscribed their opinions to this kinde of title and namely Pet. Cynus Baldus Albericus Raph. Fulgosius Rebuffus and Anto. Corsetta deliuereth it for a common opinion But with this exception if the kingdome be acquired by any other title then by succession according to proximitie in bloud for in this case because the dignitie is inherent in the stocke the eldest sonne shall succeede although he were borne before his father was King And therefore Plutarch writeth that after the
without concurrent in the title of the crowne did draw more bloud out of the sides of his subiects Your second example is of king Edward the second whom many of our histories report to bee of a good and courteous nature and not vnlearned imputing his defectes rather to Fortune then either to counsell or carriage of his affaires His deposition was a violent furie led by a vvife both cruell vnchast can with no better countenance of right be iustified then may his lamentable both indignities and death vvhich therupon did ensue And although the nobilitie by submitting thēselues to the gouerment of his sonne did breake those occasions of wars which doe vsually rise vpon such disorders yet did not the hand of God forget to pursue reuenge For albeit king Edward his son enioyed both a long prosperous raign yet his next successor king Richard the second vvas in the like violent manner imprisoned depriued put to death I will prosecute the successiue reuenge which heereof also ensued being a strange matter worthie to be rung into the eares of all ages King Henry the fourth by whom king Richard was deposed did exercise the chiefest acts of his raigne in executing those who conspired with him against king Richard His son had his vertue well seconded by felicity during whose raigne by meanes of the wars in France the humour against him was otherwise imployed spent but his next successor king Henry the sixth was in the very like manner depriued together with his yong son Edward imprisoned and put to death by king Edward the fourth This Edward died not without suspiciō of poison after his death his two sons were in like maner disinherited imprisoned murthered by their cruell vnkle the duke of Glocester who being both a tyrant and vsurper was iustly encountred and slaine by king Henry the seauenth in the field So infallible is the law of iustice in reuenging cruelties and wrongs not alwaies obseruing the presence of times wherein they are done but often calling them into reckoning whē the offenders retaine least memorie of them Likewise the deposition of king Richard the second was a tempestuous rage neither led nor restrained by any rules of reason or of state not sodainely raised and at once but by very cunning and artificiall degrees But examine his actions vvithout distempred iudgement you will not condemne him to be exceeding either insufficient or euill weigh the imputations that were obiected against him and you shall find nothing either of any truth or of great moment Hollingshead writeth that he was most vnthankfully vsed by his subiects for although through the frailtie of his youth he demeaned himselfe more dissolutely then was agreeable to the royaltie of his estate yet in no kings daies the commons were in greater wealth the Nobilitie more honoured and the Clergie lesse wronged vvho notwithstanding in the euill guided strength of their will tooke head against him to their owne headlong destruction afterward partly during the raign of king Henry his next successor whose greatest atchiuements were against his owne people but more especially in succeeding times whē vpon occasiō of this disorder more english bloud was spent thē was in all the forren wars which had ben since the cōquest Three causes are commonly insinuated by you for which a king may be deposed tyranny insufficiencie impietie but what prince could hold his state what people their quiet assured if this your doctrine should take place how many good princes doth enuie brand with one of these markes what action of state can be so ordred that either blind ignorance or set mallice wil not easely straine to one of these heads euery execution of iustice euery demand of tribute or supply shall be claimed tyrannie euery infortunate euent shall be exclaimed insufficiencie euery kind of religion shall by them of another sect be proclaimed impietie So dangerous it is to permit this high power to a heedlesse and headlesse multitude who measure things not by reason and iustice but either by opinion which commonly is partiall or else by report which vsually is full of vncertainties and errors the most part doing because others doe all easie to become slauish to any mans ambitious attempt So dangerous it is to open our eares to euery foolish Phaetō who vndertaking to guid the chariot of the Sun will soone cast the whole earth into combustion You proceede that king Henry the sixth was also deposed for defectes in gouernment Let vs yeeld a little to you that you may bee deceiued a little that you may be carried by your affections how can you excuse these open vntruthes wherein it cannot bee but the diuell hath a finger you cannot bee ignorant that the onely cause which drevv the familie of Yorke into armes against king Henry vvas the title which they had vnto the crowne by vertue whereof it vvas first enacted that Richard duke of Yorke should succeed king Henry after his death but for that hee made vnseasonable attempts he was declared by parlament incapable of succession and afterwards slaine at the battaile of wakefield Then Edward his sonne prosecuting the enterprise hauing vanquished king Henry at the battaile of S. Albons obtained possession of the state caused king Henrye to be deposed and himselfe to be proclaimed crowned king Afterward he vvas chased out of the realme and by act of parlament both depriued and disabled from the crowne Lastly he returned againe and depriued king Henrye both from gouernment from life It is true that some defects vvere obiected against king Henry but this was to estrāge the harts of the peple frō him The main cause of the war did proceed frō the right of the one partie possessiō of the other The contrarietie of the acts of parlament vvas caused by the alternatiue victories of them both Your last example is of king Richard the third of vvhom you vvright First that although he sinned in murthering his Nephewes yet after their death hee vvas lawfull king Secondly that he was deposed by the common wealth who called out of France Henry earle of Richmond to put him downe Philosophers say that dreames doe commonly arise by a reflection of the phantasie vpon some subiect wherof we haue meditated the daie before It may be y● your drowsie conceit vvas here cast into a dreame of that vvheron it had dozed in all this chapter Or at the best that you are like vnto those vvho haue so often tould a lie that they perswade themselues it is true King Edward the fourth left other children besides those that were murthered the duke of Clarence also vvho vvas elder brother to king Richard lest issue in life all vvhich had precedence of right before him And as for the second point tell mee I pray you by vvhat