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A67421 Rome for good news, or, Good news from Rome in a dialogue between seminary priest, and a supposed Protestant, at large. An exhortation to bishops. Whereunto is also annexed a discourse between a poor man, and his wife. Wallis, Ralph, d. 1669. 1662 (1662) Wing W618; ESTC R236681 18,605 32

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reason for his golden Calves God gave a Law by Moses therefore there may a Law be given by the Bishops the Apostles wrote a New Testament or Gospel therefore the Convocation-house may write a Testament or Gospel if the prophets practise will bear them out in the one I see no reason why it should not bear them out in the other and let them if they can shew where any of the Apostles made any forms of prayer and imposed on other Churches neither did I ever hear any man stand for Common-prayer that had the spirit of prayer 'T were other passages I heard you speak of the Doctors I did so the one was we thank the Lord for the reformation he might rather have called it a regradation for as the Sun went back ten degrees in the dayes of Ezekiah by the Sun-dial of Ahaz so we in England according to an outward appearance Fascicu temp are gone back ten degrees by the Sun-shine of the Gospel of Christ And whereas you told as that on Fryday next you shal have the Feast of St. Michael the Archangel which day is to be kept holy by the appointment of the Church of God I suppose he means Rome to be the Church of God because pope Felix the third ordained and appointed that holy day What meant our Reverend Diocessan when after one year of his being our Diocessan and had not preacht two Sermons he told us they were our spiritual fathers Paul saith that although you have many Instructors I have begotten you indeed if the Patriarch had told us how many thousands of pounds he and the rest of his brethren of the Cloyster had gotten he had said something but let him or any of his brethren say and speak truth that since I came to this place or City the Lord hath blest my labours for such a poor Soul came to me and told me that the Lord had by my Ministry made him to see how that he was most vile wretched sinner and under the wrath of God which if they can as I am confident they cannot I le submit and do penance in a White Surplice which is as base as in a White Sheet In the next place now Wife we wil talk a word of our own Reverend Dean he saith that we must worship in the Temple at the Temple and going from the Temple and speaking of the several Gates to Heaven he told us that Baptism was Infants Gate you need not question the truth of it seeing it appears to be plainly exprest in the Church Catechism To his Temple worship I shall say nothing because he is supposed to be a Mongrel Papist but I cannot but admire that Baptism should be Infants Gate into Heaven and so much the more for that when they are there they do not stay there scarce one in an hundred but out they come tumbling and by the fruit they bring with them speak evil of that good land but this I can say of him that he is a great admirer and lover of fish on Fasting-dayes and eats no other flesh and there is some reason for it Durandus renders it why fish is more holy than flesh because God curst the earth but never curs'd the water Husband another of our Doctors cryes out against Sacriledge what 's that He tell thee Wife as they account it a robbing of the Church and so by consequence as they would maintain it a robbing of God but they never tell how the Church first rob'd the poor Countrey by telling them that it was a meritorious-work promising them to fetch souls out of Purgatory Henry the third was pressed by his Clergy and hookt in to grant liberally unto them and by his Magna Charta saith thus Henry by the grace of God King of England c. To all Archbishops Bishops c. Know ye that to the honour of God and the salvation of my Soul and the Souls of my Progenit●rs and Successors do give and grant c. An easie piece of matter to cheat both King and Nobles as my Author saith when neither of them could write or read And Richard Wetherhead alias Wethershead Archbishop of Canterbury by a Provincial Constitution it was forbidden to all Physitians to administer any Physick to a ●ick person upon pain of excommunication until the Priest had first shrived him for his sins although his condition was ever so desperate The pretence was to physick his Soul first but the intent was to get a ●ollop out of his estate Surely he that would not have the hire of an Harlot to be brought into his house will never accept of such lands and go●ds thus cheated to be imployed in his service but most sure it is that God doth not accept of any thing that he doth neither requite nor command But we know these fellowes came but to fill their bellies and if the means were gone they 'le be like Bagg-pipes when the wind is out they tattle no longer Husband you know they are accounted but Fanatiques and Schismatiques that speak against those men or their practises you have been in some trouble already medle not with their Cathedral service and things which as they say are for decency Wife for my fathers sake I shall not because its next my fathers Religion he being a Roman Catholique and yet for the poor Jews sake I am not willing to be silent it s a bad requital for the prayers they put up for us Gentiles Cant. 8. ver 8. we have a little sister and she hath no breasts what shall we do for our sister in the day that she shall be spoken for See what a stumbling block we cast before them we tell the Jew that all the Ceremonies of the Mosaical Law were abrogated by the coming of Christ he will argue thus Why may not we use those Types and Ceremonies instituted by Moses at Gods command as well as you to make use of those Ceremonies instituted by several Popes which you say were Antichrists Christs utter enemy Ask the Ceremoniaster or the Ceremonimaster what he can say to that But as for accounting others Fanatiques they are the greatest Fanatiques themselves who leaving the sacred Scripture which are the rule of life doctrine and discipline and set up the traditions of men whereas his Worship must be as his Word is sincere quasi sine cera without mixture or composition of humane invention and is forbidden by the second Command as William Gloucester Bishop saith And then what can you say for your Cathedral service Wife you know that neither praises nor prayers are accepted with him unless they be the fruit of his own spirit Jesus Christ takes the Odours which are the prayers of the Saints and presents them to his Father if not acceptable they must needs be abominable Do you think that Jesus Christ will take the bawling squeling voices of singing men and boyes together with the grunting squeking noise of the Bishops Pigs I mean the Organs
and present them with reverence be it spoken he will assoon accept of a pair of Bag-pipes for its all but Wind-Musick Neither do I think that the Boy who in Pauls lately got near unto the Organs with an instrument of Horn in his fist called a Cats-call with which he tuned Mew Mow was much to be blamed who being observed by some would now and then duck down his head and toot again I conceive there was no reason why they should be angry with him for they pretended to religious worship which the boy did not therefore less sinful Secondly he made some as merry as the Organs made others And whereas they say that some things are for decency I 'le tell thee Wife there are a sort of the female sex who are Mercenary as I have heard and they are called Hackney Whores but in some Countries are called Curtizans and they are known by their habits as they walk in the street If I should see thee in the habit of a Curtizan be it as decent as may be it would make my crooked Nose warp on the other side in my old age and for all thy profession of love to me take thee but for a Concubine To see that goodly Matron the Church of England professing love to the Lord Christ and him to be her Head and Husband and yet to put on the habit of an old Whore an old Whore an old Whore I can account her but for a Concubine at the best and she makes many of her Sons this day almost ashamed to call her Mother The Apostles care was to present the Church a pure Virgin Sure I am that those botches in her face are no beauty spots Nay she is now going to persecute a visible Mark of Antichrist And the Divel is now turn'd Scullian and is now going to skowring to make some Souls brighter and better for that end he hath put himself into a White Surplice and in a pair of Lawn Sleeves but by that time he hath done his work he will make his White Surplice and his Lawn Sleeves as black as himself as old as I am I may live to see it Husband I would ask thee but one question about the sin of wearing Hats which they so much condemn Wife I 'le tell thee Gestures and Vestures have antiently been the work of the Convocation-house next unto the Trade of Net-making which holds good to this day for now they make the Meshes of the Net so narrow that a man cannot get through with a good Conscience unlesse he leave that behind him but the Divel will be ready to help him first by telling him that it were better to yield than that the Benefit which others might have by his Ministry should be lost secondly that in regard of his relations his Wife and Children that have dependance on him or thirdly that it may be he hath gotten a little money or means 't will quickly be gone True it is Prelacy may be down but yet it may stand long enough to see him spend all he hath and thus he will pull him by the ears especially if it be ever a whit a good living but he will have him through A Boy was seen to offer a Candle to the Picture of the Divel which was drawn behind the door one demanded wherefore he did it he answered I do not know what need I may have of him friends if you have need to use him he will be very ready to serve you without a Candle he can doe his work in the dark for nothing but meerly for your Souls sake and he will be as curteous to you as he hath been to Br. he will make such a Gapp in your Conscience that a bush of Thorns may be drawn through forward and backward and never prick it The worst of it is that two bushes will hardly stop it again Look you to that But good Wife I am an old Man and we have two little boys if I die and you survive me prithee put neither of them two an Apprentice to that Trade of Ne●-making if ●ou should before they have served half their time their Masters will break or give over and then they mus● be turned over to Rome to serve the rest of their time into which they have made such a fair progress here but that 's not all I have no mind to that Trade I had much rather you would put them Apprentices to a Sweep-Chimney that 's a Trade newly come in fashion and its like to hold as long as they live I do not know whether it may out-live its sisters Contribution and Excise But that 's not all yet neither Wife I am now very serious with you it entrencheth and encroacheth very much upon that incomparable Magna Charta that was made by the greatest Monarch that ever sway'd Scepter Sealed with his own most pretious blood and who accounted it great dignity to be stiled King of Saints and is aprointed thereunto of his Father Psal 2. and whose Father is God over all blessed for ever in this Magna Charta are Recorded his Prerogatives Royal one of them is to make Lawes for his Subjects and those Lawes are as absolutely perfect as himself and his Subjects for their Souls have but that one onely Law-giver and his Laws for duration of time hold until he make a new Magna Charta never to be Repealed by any Act or Acts of men In this Magna Charta are Recorded likewise his Subjects Priviledges their Immunities and Freedoms being not confined to any circumscript place to Worship him in so that they Worship him in Spirit and in Truth It s their Priviledge to meet as occasion may serve to hear his Word to Pray to Communicate and participate of his Ordinances according to the Dictates and Commands of the said Magna Charta he hath also his Officers Recorded in this Magna Charta Pastors Teachers Elders Here come now a sort of fellowes whence I know not some say from Rome some say they are Chips of Jeroboams Block others say they are of those Angels that stand at the four corners of the earth to hold the winds that they blow not some say that they are of those Locusts that come out of the bottomlesse pit indeed they smell pitifully of the smoak of ignorance well Wife let them come from whence they will come sure I am they are a company of mad fellowes of them for the first thing they doe they pick a quarrel with the King concerning the Government that is upon his shoulders and his Kingdome that shall have no end and as Whores when they fall together by the ears the first thing they do they make at the head and off goes the Coyf or Head-geer so do these the first blow they give is at the head and off goes his Crown and Dignity it s but a trick of the old Whore and un King him by taking away his prerogative-Royal annihilating and making of no validity his