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A04988	A Catholicke apologie against the libels, declarations, aduices, and consultations made, written, and published by those of the League, perturbers of the quiet estate of the realme of France Who are risen since the decease of the late Monsier, the Kings onely brother. By E.D.L.I.C.; Apologie catholique. English	Belloy, Pierre de, ca. 1540-1613.; Aggas, Edward, attributed name.	1585 (1585)	STC 15137; ESTC S108196	138,975	314

the same spoken of To conclude therefore I will now cōtent my self with warning euery one to mark and consider the meanes which such alwaies as haue gotten the vpper hand of a Lordship whereto they had no other right but habilitie haue houlden and then I hope they will thincke that the gouernment of a naturall Prince is gracious louing and fauourable in respect of y e mistrustfull suspicious and tyrannous straunger vnto whom not onely the deedes and wordes but also the gesture behauiour yea the goodes and welth of his Citizens are suspected because he feareth his owne shadowe Remember the auncient Fable of the Pigeons who when they had elected the Ringdoue to rule them were soone wearie of her courteous and gentle gouernment which they termed soft and delicate and in her roume chose the Kite who in liew of wel entreating of thē did eate beate and dayly teare some one among them in sunder with her beake and wings whereat these miserable fooles being offended could haue bene cōtent to haue returned vnder the yoke of their first election but the Kites tyrannie could neuer brooke it whose successors do yet to this day practize their roine vpon them Once it fell out that the Frenchmen through wicked counsaile in liew and place of their naturall Prince whom they bare somewhat heauy were suborned to elect one Giles a Romaine of whom they were soone wearie after they had casted what it was to liue vnder one whose humour and birth did not agree with his subiects and it fell our well for them that their King was of power sufficient to resume them againe into his protection The ende of the third part ❧ THE CONTENTS OF THE FOVRTH part of this Booke 1 The authorities of Doctors for the preferment of the Neuewe before the Vnckle 2 Examples of the preferment of the Neuewe before the Vnckle 3 Reasons in law for the Neuew against the Vnkle The Neuewe succeedeth in the eldership of his father in proper person as being substituted to his late father 4 The right of eldership is transmissible perfect wanting but execution 5 The right of eldership is legall or custumary 6 The Lord Cardinall of Bourbons acknowledgemēt in the fauour of his neuew the K. of Nauarres mariage 7 Answere to the examples of the Vnckle alleadged against the neuewe 8 Answer to the Vnkles reasons against the neuewe Substitutions and continuatiō frō the father to the sonne in collaterall ligne by Iustinian 9 Successiou once roored in a ligne neuer departeth the same vntill it be finished or worne out 10 The order of Tutorship and the succession of free borne Libertines is vnlike 11 The Kings youth neuer debarreth thē from the Crowne The opening of the saying that personall right is not transmissible 12 Successions made by ciuill lawe and custome confessing the right of eldership are farre vnlike THE FOVRTH PART OF the Cath. Apologie IN the fourth Obiection the King of Nauarres aduersaries doe oppose against him the Lord Cardinall of Bourbon his Vncle as neerer by one degrée and nowe by the decease of the late Anthonie of Bourbon Father to the sayd Lorde King of Nauarre the eldest of the house of Bourbon 1 This question is one of the most tossed of all others and can not be decided by the arrestes of the Salicke Lawe that wee haue in these words De terra verò Salica in mulierem nulla portio haereditatis transit sed hoc virilis sexus acquirit hoc est filij in ipsa haereditate succedunt sed vbi inter nepotes pronepotes post longum tempus de Allode terrae contentio suscitatur non per stirpes sed per capita diuidantur But the decision hereof we must séeke in the Commentaries of our Doctors which Accurtius Odofrede Pope Innocent the fourth Durand Ric. de Malumbris Iohn Andrew Alberick de Rosatis Barth Balde Paule de Casiro Angel Aret. Martin de Lande Iohn Faber Pet. de Ancar Barbat Felin Ausrerius Wil. Benedict Cassanee Lewes Bolognine Matth. de Afflictis Andreas Sicul. Abbas Panormitanus Bartholomeus Sosinus Iason Alciatus Tiraquel Lewes Charond Choppinus and many other haue concluded in fauour of the Neuewe against the Vncle who termeth himselfe eldest by his brothers decease either indirect or collaterall lyne in successions indeuided as Realmes Empires Duchies Coūties and Marquisates Yea Decius imitating Socinus doth write that amōg the Interpreters of Ciuill Canon law hi qui pondere numero mensura praeualent haue alwayes consulted and determined against the Vnkle so that by the authoritie of so many skilfull persons the sayd Lorde King of Nauarre hath the better cause of the Cardinall his Vnkle Secondly the foreiudgements must be alledged for the decision of this controuersie Balde ho●ldeth that euermore it hath so bene obserued and decided in all contradictorie iudgements of France and England And Paul maketh mention of the Spanish law in this respect solemnly sworne vnto by the states of the same lande in deede we reade goodly examples both of these and many others 2 First in France for the same house of Bourbon in the time of Lewes the Fat king of France about the yeere 1110. Hanno had expulsed his Neuewe Arcembault a young child sonne to his elder brother pretending that the Lordship perteined to him as being entred into the Lawe of the eldership by the decease of his elder brother But the French Nobility forced the vnkle to giue place to the Neuew whom they substituted in the roume and place of his brother reseruing to Hanno onely some portion of the goods as to one of the Children of the same house An other example we haue in the posteritie of Henry the second K. of England who had three sonnes Richard Cordelion Secondly Geffrey who had maried Constance the Heyre of Brittaine and dyed in his Fathers time leauing his Wife great of Arthure afterward Duke of Britaine and Iohn surnamed without land Soone after the fathers death dyed Richard also without issue whereupon Phil. Augustus King of Fraunce who raigned about the yere 1141. adiudged the Dutchy of Normandy with other the Landes that the said Richard held in Fraunce vnto Arthure sonne to G●ffrey his elder brother but afterward the sayde Iohn made peace with Augustus through the mariage of his sonne Lewes vnto Blanch. Neece to the sayd Iohn by his Sister wife to the King of Castile togither with some Lands that the saide Iohn habandoned to the sayd Phillip So that Arthure still prosecuting his right was slaine by his vnkle Iohn wherevpon the King of Fraunce tooke occasion for that fellony to confiscate all those landes as hauing alwayes fauoured and aucthorised the cause of the sayd Arthur The third iudgement passed in the tyme of Charles the Fayre King of Fraunce about the yeere 1331. for the Earle of Flaunders for Lewes of Neuers was by the Peeres of the Realme declared Earle of Flaunders and preferred before his

Vnckle after the decease of Earle Robert because he was sonne to the elder who dyed afore his father True it is that for entering vpon the sayd Countie and taking vpon him the title of Earle before he had taken his oath done homadge to his Maiestie he was arrested at Paris and imprisoned in the Castle of Louure from whence he was soone after deliuered againe An other solemne arrest passed in the tyme of Phil. of Valois about the yeere 1328. for the Dutchie of Brittain by reason of the decease of Duke Iohn who dyed without issue leauing behind him his third brother Ih. Earle of Montfort and the daughter of his second brother Guy Vicountie of Limoges then wife to Charles Earle of Blois vnto whom by sentence of the Court the sayd Dutchie in the yerre 1341. was adiudged because Charles of Blois shewed y ● by the custumes of Brittaine the succession belonged to the eldest thē to the second and lastly to the third thereupon inferring that his wife daughter to the second did represent the same person But where the house of Montfort did afterward enioye the same Dutchie that came by vertue of a certaine agreement afterwarde made at the entrie of Charles the fifth in the yeere 1364. An other sentence passed in the tyme of Frances the 1. in the yeere 1517. for the Countie of Foix and other the landes belonging to the same famely betweene Odet of Foix Lord of Lautrect and Villemur and Henry of Albret King of Nauarre Grandfather to the King of Nauarre now raigning for Gaston of Foix and Eleanor of Nauarre had two sonnes Gaston the eldest and Iohn Vicountie of Narbonne the yonger Gaston dyed before both father and mother leauing suruiuours by his wife Lady Magdalem of Fraunce daughter to Charles the seauenth two children Philip Phebus and Ratherine whereupon their Vnckle Iohn Vicountie of Narbonne hauing maried the sister of King Lewes the 12. made suite against the sayde Phebus his neuewe pretending eldership by the decease of his brother Gaston The cause pleaded in the Court of Parliament was by the Counsaile compounded in the yere 1488 but soone after began againe by Gaston of Foix Duke of Nemours sonne to the sayde Iohn being in great fauour with his Vnkle King Lewes the 12. but because hee dyed at the battaile of Rauenna without issue it seemed this processe might haue ended but it fell out otherwise for Odet of Foix his Cossen and pretended heire tooke the same cause in hand against Katherin sister to the sayd Phebus deceased and proceeded so farre that by arrest of the Court in the yeere 1517. he was put by the sayd Coūtie together with other the Lordships of the same famelic adiudged vnto Henry of Albret sonne to the sayde Katherine and his posteritie of whom as is aforesayd is discended the now Lorde King of Nauarre In England after the decease of Edward the third in the yeere 1378. Richard sonne to Edw. Prince of Wales was without contradiction crowned and preferred before his Vnckles the Dukes of Lancaster of Clarence of Glocester and Yorke but aboue twentie yeeres after for his euill behauiour and misgouernment he was deposed and his Cossen Henry sonne to Iohn Duke of Lancaster set vp in his place In Portugall King Alphons the fifth had two children Fernand and Henry who beeing the elder deceased before his father leauing a sonne named Iohn after the decease of the said Alphons the said Iohn commonly called Iohn the second whō the common Histories doe falsly terme sonne to the sayd Alphons did peaceable enioye the Crowne from the yeere 1482. vnto the yeere 1495. when he dyed without issue and then his Cossen Emanuell sonne to Ferdinand succeeded him The sayd Emanuell hauing raigned 22. yeres among other children left his sonne Iohn the third who was crowned after him and Henry the Cardinal Iohn the 3. during his raigne had a sonne of the same name who dyed before his father leauing his wife with childe of Sebastien who after his Grandfather Iohn the 3. was preferred before his great Vnckle Henry brother to the sayd Iohn the 3. notwithstanding the sayde Sebastiens father was neuer King and that the said Henry might haue obiected the same but he raigned not vntill the sayd Sebastien dyed and left no issue which question sayth Tiraquell doth so resemble ours as one Bee may an other In Castile King Alphons the 10. had two sonnes the elder Ferdinand who maried Blanch daughter to S. Lewes and of her begat Ferdinand and Alphons The younger called Sanxi who seeing his elder brother dead and waying his neuewes right to the Realme could not tary the decease of his father the sayde Alphons but during his life time raised warres to the ende to procure himselfe to bee declared heire whereat this good olde man was so wrath that he accursed him Besides that the French King Phillip the third Vnckle by the mother to the sayde yong Princes after he had therevpon asked aduise of the wise men of his Realme led an armie vnto the frontiers of Spayne and had gone forward had not the Popes Legat lingered him with wordes together with the assurance which the sayde Alphons made him viz. that he would vpholde the right and cause of his sayd neuewes which neuerthelesse he soone after he forgat and sent out his Letter sealed with gold and his owne Image therein grauen to his subiects repugnant to the former and by meanes of the same by forc●establish●d Sanxi his seconde sonne so as the orphelins were not ouercome but with the swor● without any shewe of reason as the historie doe import In Sicill the like quarell being moued betweene the sonne and the neuewe of Agathocles in the extremitie of his sicknesse the neuewe by the will and iudgement of God ouerthrew his sayd Vnkle and remayning victor was King ouer the whole Land In Germany vpon the like controuersie vnder Henry the 3. after vnder Ottho the Great the histories doe report that the States of the Empire met and agreed that this debate should as the custome of that time required be ended by a cōbat wherein the defendants of the cause of y ● neuew sonne to his brother y t would haue had his fathers roume were conquerors and thereupon the sayd Estates did so conclude and adiudge it More solemne also is the sentence which Licurgus the true Oracle of humaine wisedome gaue in his owne cause about the 17. Olimpiade in the time of Numa King of the Romaines for wee reade that his father Enomus King of the Lacedemonians had two sonnes Polidectes and Licurgus the first dyed before his father leauing his wife with childe Enomus dead Licurgus tooke the royall Diadem and kept it a fewe moneths vntill at a banquet among his friendes his neuewe the after borne was offered vnto him whome hee named Charilaus withall set the Crowne vpon his head To

namely Godfrey of Buillon so called for y t he was nursed in the Castle of Buillō which now y ● Bishop of Liege holdeth his brother Balduin But these remayning in the holy lande the kingdome whereof fell to them by the election made of the said Godfrey the Emperour Henry the fowerth in the yeere 1101. gaue the Dutchy of Lorrain to Henry Earle of Lembourg whome after hee had rebelled against him he had taken againe into fauour And in troth this Henry of Lembourg was a very bad man for besides infinit other his misdeedes we find that at the prouocation of the Pope thē being he moued warre betweene Henrie the fowerth and the fifth the father and the sonne The father gaue him the Dutchy yet he tooke the sonnes part and then retourned to the fathers side after whose death hee went and fell at the sonnes f●●te who committed him to prison and in the yere 1106. inuested Godfrey by some named William Earle of Louaine in the Dutchy of Lorraine whose seruice while hee was at Liedge hee vsed in taking Mountfaucon a hould the Lorde whereof was very insolent Of this Earle of Louain sprunge that house of Lorraine which yet continueth for vnto him succeeded Thierry to Thierry Thibault after Thibault a certaine Matthewe was Duke and so successiuely vnto the sayde Lady Isabell wife to Rene of Aniew as is aforesayd So as it is an abuse and manifest deceit to search the race of Charlemaigne in the house of Lorraine sith it is 580. yeeres since it vanished and was quite lost euen after that fower sundry Famelies haue succeeded one after another in the sayd Dutchy of Lorrain One of the yongest of which house who was Graundfather to the Dukes of Guise and Maine now being drawing into France with very smal wealth receiued as also after him his Children so many benefites at the hands of the Kings Francis the first Henry the second and his posteritie that they haue through the liberalitie of their Maiesties encreased their Patrimonie to a Million of Frankes of Rent that they houlde in this Realme whereas their grandfather Claude when he maried Lady Antoynet Bourbon daughter to the Duke of Vendosme had not aboue 14. or 1500. besides they haue bene honored with the greatest offices of y e Crowne as the office of great Master which was wōt to be in the house of Montmorencie and other of the most honorable So as it might be hard to thinke that nowe they would imitate the Moyle whose nature is to kicke and spurne at his Mother when hee hath sucked enough of her Milke either that they had so vnthāckfull a minde as to take weapon against the Royall Famely whereunto they are indebted in whatsoeuer they are yea and that vnder a false perswasion that they should be discēded from Charlemagne which is contrarie to all trueth 4 To verefie therefore that the Princes of Lorraine neuer came out of the house of Fraunce it will be sufficient to shewe that in the succession of the Dutchy of Lorraine they obserue not the Salicke lawe as it was iudged by the Fathers assembled at the Counsaile of Basill on the behalfe of Isabell of Lorrain wife to Rene of Anieow and daughter of Charles of Lorraine against her Cousen Antony of Lorraine the sonne of Ferry the yonger sonne of Charles Hereby it manifestly appeareth that thus they declare the Princes of Lorraine to bee no Frenchmen neither euer to haue bene of the bloud royall of Fraunce or capable of the Crowne for the which and in the soueraigne succession wherof the Salicke lawe hath of olde time euen since Pharamond bene religiously obserued and thereby not onely the daughters but the males of them proceeding haue bene excluded from the Realme of Fraunce according as the decree of the sayde lawe importeth in these words Of the Salicke landes the woman shall chalenge no portiō but the succession therof shall appertaine to the males The reason of this constitution is because our fathers did horribly detest the gouernment of straūgers which vndoubtedly must needes haue often happened if the males of daughters that were wiues to forraine Princes might haue bene capable as some would perswade y ● childrē of Lorraine y t they may pretende as wrongfully as did Edward of England whose cause was solembly ended by the whole states of Frāce for Philip of Vallois afterward King against the sayd Edward the sonne of Lady Isabell daughter of Phillip y e faire after that Prince Robert of Arthois had openly made an Oration to the Estates for the sayd Phillip and had among other alleadged the reason aforesayd the originall whereof he drewe from before the Emperour Iustinian and Paule Emilie speaking of the ioye and contentation that the French conceiued after this sentēce writeth thus King Phillip making his entrey into the chiefe Towne of his Realme was receiued with as great pleasure ioye and triumph of people as euer was King of Fraunce where was a world of people crying God saue the King The streates were paued with Flowers according to the seazon and adorned with the most triumphant Furniture that could at that tyme be found To bee briefe saith the Historie the people forgat no kinde of demonstration of their contentation for the comming of this King to the Crowne He saith moreouer y t the Towne feasted his Maiestie y e Princes of his bloud and Officers of his Crowne praysing publickly extolling him as the preseruer and defence of the French Maiestie and the libertie and dignitie of the Salicke law whereby the Frenchmē who were accustomed to prescribe lawes to Straungers were neuer ruled by them Then he endeth his speech saying that the most part of the night was put away with the light of Bonfyers throughout y e Realme and the howers of sleepe consumed in daunsing singing and all sortes of honest and delectable mirth especially at Paris y ● townes men marched in great troupes to congratulate each other for the welcomming of this King whom they termed the Bulwarke and preseruer of the best of their lawes These good fathers were no basterdly French as are those of our cursed world and would haue kept themselues farre from informing much lesse from begging those meanes that might bee imagined for the breach of this goodly Salicke lawe which is the onely Oracle of France and true rampier of the French dignitie which also sith it is euident that the Princes of Lorrain haue not vsed it is an vndoubted demonstration that they are not discended of the race of our Princes who haue so highly commended it in their Empier and soueraigne gouernement 5 In deed our deceiuers since considering that this foundation was too rashly propounded and might breede hatred in the King against the Princes of Lorraine whome they would bring into this bad action because his Maiestie beeing iustly agrieued hath power enough and ready to chastize the Authors of

briefe that to the ende by the death of the late Mounsier the Duke to insinuate himselfe further in his Maiesties fauour and to bee neerer vnto him he had determined to al●er his Religion Which was a subtile ●llicie both to bring him into suspition with his owne partakers and into contempt among the Catholickes so as by that meanes both parts might haue forsaken and despised him and so he might become a pray to their fayned League as a man light vnconstant and of small stedfastnesse which is one of the chiefest things that euery Christiā Prince ought to abhorre especially in causes of Religiō which we may not lightly chāge neither without great notice of the cause and the discourse thereof publickly argued in the Church of God but especially in our awne consciences Wherefore good men neither ought ne cā mislike that the sayd Lord King of Nauarre doth protest to liue and dye in his Religion permitted vnder the Kings authoritie by his Maiesties Edicts published euen by y e decree of the States of the Realm neither are wee to terme him an hereticke or obstinate person vntill wee haue lawfully by a free vniuersall or nationall Counsaile whether shall seeme most expedient condemned that opinion which he holdeth Will ye likewise that I shewe you what mistrust the Catholickes may conceiue of his goodnesse and singuler clemencie Then would I pray the most passionate to consider and looke vpon his famelie They shall finde the same to consist for the most part of Catholicke Officers But of what sorte Euen such as are neerest about his person who haue him in their hāds vpon their honors and consciences to whom he committeth himselfe and vpon whom of himself he doth depend as vpon his keepers Maisters of his Guardrobe Stewardes and many others who before his face with his liking and contentation being in his trayne do ordinarely go to the Masse assist at the deuine Seruice ministred after the maner of the Catholick Romish Church To be brief euen with this qualitie he acknowledgeth thē for his good faithfull and loyall seruants This could they not assure themselues of neither yet serue him with good hearts beeing such men of honor as they are if in his behauiours they could perceiue any mistrust which is the nource of hatred and mallice against the professors of their Religion or if they could finde which were easie to doe that he did euill entreate or forbid them to serue God after their maner and so sought to bee the tormentor of their consciences To conclude al these cōsiderations alledged against the King of Nauarre which are neither true neither of any outwarde apparence cannot in y e cōsciences of good men truely Frēch debarre him from beeing sufficient and capable of the Crowne of France yea further I say that the same notwithstanding he is your true and lawfull King to whome onely you are bound to obeye in cace during his life the sayde occasion of substitution should fall out which God forbid and which also neither he ne wee ought or should desire if either wee were Christians either els did beare any iot of hartie good will or affection to our King 18 To proceede let vs see whether a king houlding the Scepter or raigning ouer any estate especially ouer ours may appoint and nominate any other successor then him whom nature and the Lawe of the Realme haue giuen him This question I do not moue without cause for in trueth the perturbers of the peace of this Crowne and such as iniustly do pretend to set thereinto a foote haue made a League which they entitle Holy but al good med doe truely name Bloody with the Pope the Spanierd and the Sauoyan the conspired enemies to France and the Royall blood thereof through whose helpe they hope to leauy an Army wherwith to come into the hart of the Realme onely say they simply to sommon the most Christian King to name a successor at their deuotions Oh what an execrable mischiefe to seeke to force vs to enfringe the successiue lawe of this Realme whereof we haue so many worldes enioyed the blessed good hap What impudency those that haue not almost whereof to liue in their owne houses to goe about to preuent and ouerthrowe the order and Estate of so great an Empire This is a wonderfull bouldnesse to endeuour to compell so mightie a Monarcke as the French King and their owne lorde being yong healthy and such a one as it if please God hee may graunt him the blessing of the posteritie of Abraham to choose him a man to be his Heir But the French men doe assure them selues that they haue a King that is of better bringing vp then so one that is valeant feareth God and is ielous of his honour yea such a-one as would not for the getting of the whole worlde make such a breache in his conscience reputation vertue and memory that our Children should haue cause atro carbone illum notare saying that he had so farre hated himselfe and his owne blood as to haue corrupted the Lawes whereby after his predecessors he doth raigne euen since the originall of the Monarchie and to haue transferred the Crowne out of his owne famely for the satisfying of the rashnesse of those who finding them selues in Armes might hasten his time to the end to cause him the sooner to leaue them his roume For what dareth not Ambition and desire to Raigne vndertake Moreouer I doe most humbly beseech his Maiestie to pardon me though I boldly shew him that it is a thing that hee may not doe Also that the Lawe of the Realme whereby him selfe is King forbiddeth hym to meddle therewith because the same taken order therin vnto whom it is commendable in the Maiestie of a Monarke to acknowledge him selfe bounden And thus was it iudged declared and put in execution by the Parliament of the Peeres of France for Charles the seauenth against the treaty which king Charles the sixt in the yere 1420. made in y e towne of Troye in Champagne at the Mariage of his daughter Lady Katherin vnto King Henrie the fifth of Englande which imported the graunt and minde of the sayd King Charles the sixt to be that the sayd King of England or his issue male comming of the sayd mariage shonld be called to y e Crowne of France the said Charles the seueuth be thereof debarred and disinherited for euer This is not now say our Maisters the first time that it hath bene and perpetually shall be obserued by y e Salick law of this florishing Crowne which the King that houldeth the Scepter cannot alter because he is but a tutor protector collector and administrator thereof salua eius substantia itaque nec donare nec perdere poterit neither otherwise dispose of the proximitie of his bloud then the law of the Realm will beare neither yet transferre it into any other hand then that whereto it apperteineth although hee

also teacheth vs that quod alicui debetur certis modis deberi desinit among which is not to bee found the excommunicatiō of him to whom we acknowledge our selues bound for otherwise the vassal and subiect should reap benefite commoditie and discharge in the destruction and hinderance of his Lorde Besides that the excommunication tendeth not in worldly matters to impouerish the partie condemned but onely to depriue and declare hym vnworthy the fellowship of men or to be thought a member of the Church of GOD. He is also denounced such a one first to be an instruction and example to all other the faithfull when they shall consider the grauitie of the offence and thereby waie the publick slaunder arising thereof Secondly to driue the condemned to call to mind abhorre and be contrite for his offence seeing hym selfe deliuered into the handes of his mortall ennemy Satan and humbly to craue reconsiliation at the catholick Church from whence he is banished in exilio sinitimo said Alexander the Martir which wee may sufficiently learne by the auncient forme of satisfaction which the Primetiue Chnrch enioyned to the parson excommunicate that is to confesse his fault before the Priests and assembly of the faithfull in whose presence hee was reproued blamed and condemned to abyde in a certaine place without the communion aud assembly of the Church with certaine outwarde workes of a penetontiary as well in habit and behauiour as especially in his dyet in which forme he should exhibit petition and supplication both to the Priestes and to the whole cōgregation to be forgiuen and vnbound from his offence whervpon the Church by the aduice of the Ministers thereof sometimes condemned hym in greate amends and so by litle and litle receiued hym againe as she thought good For at the first he was onely admitted to heare the worde of God after that he was receiued to the prayers of the Church and so consequently to the Communion of the faithfull finally by the imposition of the Priestes handes he was restored to his former estate and then was it not lawfull for any to reproch vnto him what was passed So as by this forme of excommunication and penance or satisfaction extract out of the auncient Counsailes of Ancira and Nice we may euidently iudge that it no way concerned the temporall goodes as of those that the Church hath not to dispose of neither did it importe other then the exemplary correction of the excōmunicated for the s●aūder by his offence committed against the Church either els according to y e holy scripture for the subduing of the flesh whereby the soule may be saued in the day of our Lord Iesus Moreouer it seemeth that Gregorie the seauenth Innocent the third and other the high Priestes did so vnderstand it whē in the excommunication of the Lords and of those that were conuersant and had dealings with thē they would not include their officers seruants and others who by necessitie doe owe them obedience as doe the vassalles and subiects of the Crowne who naturally and ciuilly are bound to their Kings and Princes So that the necessitie of their bondage exempteth thē by the iudgement of the Church out of the generall excommunication denoūced against all other persons that haue dealing with the excommunicated And perticulerly Innocent the third in his decretall Epistle written to the Doctors of Boulogne declareth that the debtes letters and obligatiōs of excommunicated persons are not called in question neither are the debtors discharged of the same much lesse to be blamed for paying and satisfying their creditors considering that the necessitie of their obligatiōs doe thereto bind them And there is no doubt but the priuate famelie and household of euery one is likewise a little Commonwealth aswell as the Commonwealth is a great famelie whereof the King that ruleth it is the father and defender so elected and ordeyned by God as father of the household among the children Innocent the third therfore exepted out of the excōmunication of those that were conuersant with the condemned all such persons as by necessitie of the lawes of houshold were bounde to yeelde their due obedience which shall neuer bee more strickt great or commendable in the children of the household seruants toward the father of the household then it ought to bee in the subiects towarde their King or soueraigne Prince And effectually to shewe that the excommunication of the King dischargeth not his subiects from their vowed faith let vs call to mind the auncient examples meete and commodious for this argument The Emperour Theodosius the first was iustly excommunicated for the murder of the Inhabitants of Thessalonica His sonne Arcadius for expelling and deposing S. Iohn Chrisostome from the Church of Constantinople Zeno and Anastazius for being Eutichians Lothaire the first for his adulterie committed with Gualdrade which notwithstanding their subiects were not discharged of their bondes and oathes whereby they were to them bound against the which also they neuer made any difficultie to obeye those Emperours as their lawfull Lordes Dagobert King of Fraunce who became a Nero and after the first yeres of his quiet and Catholicke gouernement began about the yeere 637. to trouble the Churches destroye the Temples banish the Cleargie and commit an infinite number of other insolencies for the which Seuerinus Bishop of Roome did greatly reprooue him was not neuerthelesse driuen awaye by his subiects who with earnest prayer obteyned at the grace of God that this Prince repented and euer after serued God faithfully all the dayes of his life When Pope Celestin the third had excommunicated Phillip Augustus King of Frāce in y ● yere 1197. for forsaking without lawfull occasion his wife Isambergue sister to King Iohn of Denmarke his States and subiects did not neuerthelesse expell him or denye to acknowledge him to be their King and Soueraigne When Boniface the eight had cast foorth his poysoned Bull against Phillip the Faire the Nobles Prelates of the Realme assembled at Paris decl●red that the Bishop of Rome had no authoritie so to doe When Pope Iulius the 2. excommunicated and interdicted King Lewes the 12. whome iustly wee terme father of the people the Prelates and Nobilitie assembled at Tours protested it to be lawful to cōtemne the said Thunderbolt the same notwithstanding did sweare to him their due faith and homage When King Henry the 2. of England was by Alexander the 3. excommunicated interdicted for banishing Thomas Archbishop of Canterbury whom after his death the Pope canonized yet was he not cast out frō his kingdome neither did his subiects with earnest affection denye him their accustomed obedience Iohn without Land King of the same Ile was neuer dispossed neither did his subiects molest him in respect of the curse that Innocent the third had denounced against him in the yere 1212. vntill he became a Tyrāt and extreme oppressor of the people who then beeing