twentieth yeare of Henry the sixt against the Acts of the Commissioners against Proclamations in pursuance of the Law against that himselfe took notice of Narrow hearted Commissioners 2 In this that here was an Army the Souldiers Souldiers by profession Acts of hostility from them of greater Terror than from free-holders of the same County My Lords I have now done with the first of levying warre 2 The second is the machination the advising of a warre The case in this rests upon the warrant to Savill and the advice in the 23 Article The Warrant shewes a resolution of employing the old Army of Ireland to the oppression of his Majesties Subjects and the Lawes In the 23 Article having told his Majesty that hee was loosed and absolved from rules of Government and might doe every thing which power might admit he proceeded further in speech to his Majesty in these words You have an Army in Ireland you may employ to reduce this Kingdome My Lords both being put together there 's a machination a practise an advise to levie warre and by force to oppresse and destroy his Majesties Subjects Obj. It hath beene said the Statute of 25. Edw. 3. is a penall Law and cannot bee taken by equity and construction there must be an actuall warre the Statute makes it Treason to counterfeit the Kings Coyne the conspiring the raising of furnaces is no Treason unlesse he doth nummum percutere actually coyne Answ My Lords this is onely said not proved the Law is otherwise â— 9. of Henry the sixt fol. 47. there adjudged that the conspiring and ayding to counterfeit coyne was Treason and Justice Stamford fol. 3. 44. is of opinion That this or conspiring to counterfeit the great Seale is Treason The Statute is If any shall counterfeit the great Seale conspiring to doe it by the book is Treason if a man take the broad Seale from one Pattent and put it to another here is no counterfeiting it 's tuntamount and therefore Treason as is adjudged in 2. Henry 4. fo 25. and by the opinion of Stamford If machination or plotting a warre be not within that clause of the Statute of levying warre yet it 's within the first of compassing the death of the King as that which necessarily tends to the destruction both of the King and of the people upon whose safety and protection hee is to engage himselfe That this is Treason hath beene adjugded both after the Statutes of the first of Henry the fourth chapter the tenth and the first of Queene Mary the first chapter so much insisted upon on the other side In the third yeare of King Henry the fourth one Balshall comming from London found one Bernard at plough in the parish of Ofley in the Connty of Hertford Bernard asked Balshall what news hee told him the newes was That King Richard the second was alive in Scotland which was false for hee was then dead and that by Midsomer next he would come into England Bernard asked him what was best to be done Balshall answered get men and goe to King Richard In Michaelmas Terme in the third yeare of Henry the fourth in the Kings Bench rot 4. this advise of warre adjudged Treason In Queene Maries time Sir Nicholas Thrâ—gmorton conspired with Sir Thomas Wyat to levie warre within this Realme for alteration in Religion he joyned not with him in the execution This Conspiracy alone declared to bee Treason by the Judges This was after the Statute of the first of Queene Mary so much insisted upon That Parliament ended in October this opinion was delivered the Easter-Terme after and is reported by Justice Dyer fo 98. It 's true Sir Thomas Wyat afterwards did levie warre Sir Nicholas Throgmorton hee onely conspired this adjudged Treason Storie in Queene Elizabeths time practised with Forreiners to levy warre within the Kingdome nothing done in pursuance of the practise The intent without any adhering to Enemies of the Queene or other cause adjudged to bee Treason and hee executed thereupon It 's truemy Lords that yeare 13. Elizabeth by Act of Parliament it 's made Treason to intend the levying of warre this case was adjudged before the Parliament The case was adjudged in Hillary Terme the Parliament began not untill the April following This my Lords is a case adjudged in point That the practising to levy warre though nothing be done in execution of it is Treason Obj. It may be objected that in these Cases the conspiring being against the whole Kingdome included the Queene and was a compassing her destruction as well as of the Kingdomes here the advice was to the King Ans 1. The answer is first that the warrant was unknowne to his Majesty that was a machination of warre against the people and Laws wherein his Majesties person was engaged for protection 2. That the advice was to his Majesty aggravates the offence it was an Attempt not only upon the Kingdome but upon the Sacred person and his office too himselfe was hostes patriae hee would have made the Father of it so too nothing more unnaturall more dangerous To offer the King poyson to drink telling him that it is a Cordiall is a compassing of his death The poyson was repelled there was an antidote within the malice of the giver beyond expression The perswading of Forreiners to invade the kingdome holds no proportion with this Machination of warre against the Lawes or kingdome is against the King they cannot be severed My Lords if no actuall warre within the Statute if the counselling The third generall Head of a war if neither of these single Acts be Treason within the Statute The Commons in the next place have taken it into their consideration what the addition of his other words Counsells and Actions do operate in the case and have conceived That with this addition all being put together that he is brought within the Statute of 25. Edward 3. The words of the Statute are if any man shall compasse or imagine the death of the King the words are not if my man shall plot or consult the death of the King no my Lords they go further than to such things as are intended immediately directly and determinatively against the life and person of the King they are of a larger extent to compasse is to doe by circuit to consult or practice another thing directly which being done may necessarily produce this effect However it be in the other Treasons within this Statute yet in this by the very words there is roome left for constructions for necessary Inferences and Consequences What hath beene the judgement and practice of former times concerning these words of compassing the Kings death will appeare to your Lordships by some cases of attainders upon these words One Owen in King Iames his time in the 13. yeere of his raigne at Sandwich in Kent spake these words That King Iames being excommunicated by the Pope may bee killed by any man which killing is no murther
a levying of War against the King 1 Because the King doth protect and maintaine the Laws in every part of them and the great Officers to whose care he hath in his own steed delegated the Execution of them 2 Because they are the Kings Lawes He is the Fountaine from whence in their severall Channels they are derived to the Subject all our inditements run thus Trespasses laied to be done Contra pacem Domini Regis the Kings peace for exorbitant offences though not intended against the Kings Person against the King his Crowne and Dignity My Lords this construction is made good by diverse Authorities of great weight ever since the statute of 25. E. 3. downwards In R. the 2 ds time Sir Thomas Talbot conspired the death of the Dukes of Glocester and Lancaster some other of the Peeres for the effecting of it he had caused diverse people in the County of Chester to be armed in warre-like manner in Assemblies In the Parliament held the seventeenth yeere of Richard the second number the 20. Sir Thomas Talbot accused of high Treason for this It s there declared that insomuch as one of them was Lord high Steward of England and the other high Constable of England that this was done in destruction of the estates of the Realme and of the Lawes of the Kingdome and therefore adjudged Treason and the judgement sent downe into the Kings Bench as appeares in Easter-Tearme in the seventh yeer of Richard the second in the Kings Bench Rott 16. These two Lords had appeared in the eleventh yeere of Richard the second in mainetenance of the Act of Parliament made the yeere before one of them was of the Commissioners appointed by Parliament and one of the Appellours of those that would have overthrowne it The Duke of Lancaster likewise was one of the Lords that was to have beene indicted of Treason for endeavouring the maintenance of it and therefore conspiring of their deaths is said to be in destruction of the lawes This there declared to be a Treson that concerned the Person of the King and the Common-wealth In that great insurrection of the Villains and meaner people in Richard the seconds time they tooke an oath Quod Regi Comunibus fidelitatem servarent to be true to the King and Commons that they would take nothing but what they paid for punished all theft with death here 's no intendment against the person of the King The intent was to abolish the Law of villainage and servitude to burne all the Records to kill the Judges this in the Parliament of the fifth yeere of Richard the second number the one and thirtieth and two and thirtieth the first part is declared to be Treason against the King and against the Law In the eleventh yeere of Richard the second in Parliament the raising of forces against the Commissioners appointed by act of Parliament the yeere before adjudged Treason by all the Judges The Statute of 1. Mar. cap. 12. enacts that if twelve or more shall indeavour by force to alter any of the Lawes or Statutes of the Kingdome hee shall from such a time there limited be adjudged onely as a fellon This act was to continue but to the next Parliament it is expired it shewes by the words onely that the offence was higher before the making of it My Lords In Queene Elizabeths time Grant and divers Prentices of London to the number of 200. rose and assembled at Tower-hill carried a Cloake upon a Pole instead of a banner their intent was to deliver divers Prentices out of prison that had beene committed upon a sentence in Star Chamber for ryots To kill the Lord Major of London and for setting prizes on victuals In Trinity Tearme 37. Eliz. divers of the Judges consulted withall and resolved that this was a levying of warre against the Queene being intended against the government and officers of the Queene and thereupon Grant and others executed as Traitors Afterwards in that Queenes time divers of the County of Oxford consulted together to goe from house to house in that County and thence to London other parts to excite them to take Armes for the throwing in of all inclosures throughout England nothing was done nor no Assembly The Statute of 13. Eliz. cap. 1. during the Queenes life made it Treason to intend or advise to levy war against the Queene In Easter Tearme 39. Eliz. All the Iudges of England met about the case it was resolved by them that this was a warre intended against the Queen they agreed that if it had beene of one Towneship or more upon private interest and claime of right of Common it had not bin Treason But this was to throw in all inclosures thorough the Kingdome wherto these parties could pretend no claime that it was against the Law in regard that the Statute of Merton gave power of Inclosures in many Cases Upon this Resolution Bradshaw and Burton were executed at Aynestowe hill in Oxford-shire the place where they intended their first meeting So that my Lords if the end of it be to overthrow any of the Statutes any part of the Law and setled Governement or any of the great Officers intrusted with the execution of them this is a warre against the King My Lords it will be further considerable what shall be accounted a leavying of warre in respect of the Actions things done There 's a designe to alter some part of the Lawes and present Governement for the effecting thereof people be provided of Armes gathered together into troopes but afterwards match not with Banners displayed nor doe Bellum percutere Whether the arming themselves and gathering together upon this Designe whether this be a warre or such prosecution of the Designe with force as makes it Treason within the Statute First If this be not a Warre in respect that it necessarily occasions hostile preparations on the otherside 2. From the words of the Statute shall levy warre be thereof probably attainted of open Deed by people of their Condition although the bare conspiring be not an open Deed yet whether the arming and drawing men together be not an open Declaration of Warre In Sir Thomas Talbots case before cited in the seventeenth yeere of Richard the second The Acts of force are expressed in the Parliament Roll That he caused divers of the people of the County of Chester to be armed in a war like manner in assemblies heere is no marching no banners displayed In the eighth yeer of Henry the 8th William Bell and Thomas Lacy in Com' Kanc. conspired with Thomas Cheney called the Hermite of the Queene of Fairies to overthrow the Lawes and customes of the Realme and for the effecting of it they with two hundred more met together and concluded upon a course of raising greater forces in the county of Kent and the adjacent Shires this adjudged Treason these were open Actes My Lords for the application of both these to the Case in question
wherein this Statute was made So that my Lords immediately before and at the time of the making of this Statute there being Warre betweene those of the Shire grounds mentioned in this statute and the Irish the concluding of Warre and Acts offensive and invasive there mentioned can be intended against no others but the Irish enemies Againe the words of the statute are no captaine shall assemble the people of the Shire grounds to conclude of peace or warre Is it to bee presumed that those of the Shire grounds will conclude of Warre against themselves nor saith the statute shall carry those of the Shire grounds to doe any Acts invasive by the construction which is made on the other side they must be carried to fight against themselves Lastly the words are As captaine none shall assume the name or authority of a captaine or as a captaine shall gather the people together or as a captaine lead them The offence is not in the matter but in the manner If the acts offensive were against the Kings good Subjects those that went under command were punishable as well as the Commanders but in respect the Souldiers knew the service to bee good in it selfe being against the enemies and that it was not for them to dispute the authority of their commanders the penalty of a 100. pounds is laid onely upon him that as Captaine shall assume this power without warrant The people commanded are not within the Statute My Lords the logicke whereupon this argument hath been framed stands thus Because the statute of the eleventh yeere of Queene Elizabeth inflicts a penalty of a 100. pound and no more upon any man that as a captaine without warrant and upon his owne head shall conclude of or make Warre against the Kings enemies therefore the statute of the 18. yeere of Henry the sixth is repealed which makes it Treason to lay souldiers upon or to levie war against the Kings good people But my Lords observation hath been made upon other words of this statute that is that without licence of the Deputy these things cannot be done This shewes that the Deputy is within none of the statutes My Lords this Argument stands upon the same reason with the former because hee hath the ordering of the Army of Ireland for the defence of the people and may give warrant to the Officers of the Army upon eminent occasions of invasion to resist or prosecute the enimy because of the danger that else might ensue forthwith by staying for a warrant from his Majesty out of England Therefore it is no Treason in the Deputy to imploy the Army in Ireland whensoever hee pleaseth for the subversion of the Kings good people and of the Lawes My Lords the statute of the tenth yeere of Henry the seventh the 17. Chapter touched upon for this purpose cleares the businesse in both points for there it is declared that none ought to make warre upon the Irish rebels and enimies without warrant from the Lieutenant the forfeiture a 100 pounds as here the statute is the same with this and might as well have beene cited for repealing the statute of the eighteenth yeere of Henry the 6. as this of the 11. yeere of Queene Elizabeth but if this had been insisted upon it would have expounded the other two cleare against him Object My Lords it hath been further said although the statute be in force and there be a Treason within it yet the Parliament hath no jurisdiction the Treasons are committed in Ireland therefore not triable here Answ My Lords Sir Iohn Perrot his predecessors in the 24. yeere of Queene Elizabeth was tried in the Kings bench for Treason done in Ireland when he was Deputy Orucke in the 33. yeere of Queene Elizabeth judged heere for Treason done Ireland Object But it will be said these trials were after the statute of the 34. yeere of Henry the eight which enacts that treasons beyond sea may be tried in England Answ My Lords his predecessor my Lord Gray was tried and adjudged here in the Kings bench that was in Trinity terme in the 33. yeere of Henry the eighth this was before the making of that statute Object To this againe will be said that it was for Treason by the Lawes and statutes of England but this is not for any thing that 's Treason by the Law of England but by an Irish statute So that the question is onely whether your Lordships in Parliament here have cognisance of an offence made treason by an Irish statute in the ordinary way of judicature without bill for so is the present question For the clearing of this I shall propound two things to your Lordships consideration 1. Whether the rule for expounding the Irish Statutes and customes bee one and the same in England as in Ireland 2. That being admitted whether the Parliaments in England have cognizance or jurisdiction of things there done in respect of the place because the Kings writ runnes not there For the first if in respect of the place the Parliament here hath cognizance there And secondly if the rules for expounding the Irish statutes and Customes bee the same here as there this exception as I humbly conceive must fall away In England there is the common law the statutes the acts of Parliament and customes peculiar to certaine places differing from the common Law if any question arise concerning either a custome or an act of Parliament the common Law of England the first the primitive and the generall Law that 's the rule and expositour of of them and of their severall extents it is so here it is so in Ireland the common Law of England is the common Law of Ireland likewise the same here and there in all the parts of it It was introduced into Ireland by King Iohn and afterwards by King Henry the third by act of Parliament held in England as appeares by the pattent Rolls of the 30 yeere of King Henry the third the first membranâ The words are Quia pro communi utilitate terrae Hiberaniae unitate terrarum Regis Rex vult de commune consilio Regis provisum est quòd omnes leges consuetudines quae in regno Angliae tenentur in Hibernia teneantur eadem terra eisdem legibus subjaceat per easdem regatur sicut Dominus Johannes Rex cum ultimò esset in Hibernia statuit fieri mandavit Quia c. Kex vult quod omnia brevia de communi Jure quae currunt in Angliae similitèr currant in Hibernia sub novo sigillo Regis mandatum est Archiepiscopis c. quod pro pace tranquillitate ejusdem terrae per easdem leges eos regi deduci permittant eas in omnibus sequantur In cujus c. Teste Rege apud Woodstock decimo nono die Septembris Here 's an union of both Kingdomes and that by act of Parliament and the same Lawes to be used heere as there in omnibus My
Lords That nothing might be left here for an exception that is that in treasons felonies and other capitall offences concerning life the Irish lawes are not the same as here Therefore it is enacted in a Parliament held in England in the 14. yeere of Edward the second it is not in print neither but is in the Parliament booke That the Lawes concerning life and member shall be the same in Ireland as in England And that no exception might yet remaine in a Parliament held in England the fifth yeere of Edward the third It is enacted quod una eadem Lex fiat tam Hibernicis quam Anglicis This act is enrolled in the Patent rolls of the fifth yeere of Ed. the 3. part 1. membr 25. The Irish therefore receiving their Lawes from hence they send their Students at Law to the Innes of Courts in England where they receive their degree and of them and of the common Lawyers of this kingdome are the Judges made The petitions have been many from Ireland to send from hence some Judges more learned in the Lawes then those they had there It hath been frequent in cases of difficulty there to send some times to the Parliament here sometimes to the King by advice from the Judges here to send them resolutions of their doubts Amongst many I 'll cite your Lordships onely one because it is in a case of treason upon an Irish statute and therefore full to this point By a Statute there made in the fifth yeere of Edward the fourth there is provision made for such as upon suggestions are committed to prison for Treason that the party committed if he can procure 24. Compurgators shall be bailed and let out of prison Two Citizens of Dublin were by a grand Jury presented to have committed Treason They desired the benefit of this statute that they might be let out of prison upon tender of their Compurgators The words of the Statute of the 5. yeere of Ed. the fourth in Ireland being obscure the Judges there not being satisfied what to doe sent the case over to the Queene desired the opinion of the Judges here which was done accordingly The Judges here sent over their opinion which I have out of the Book of Justice Anderson one of the Judges consulted withall The Judges here delivered opinion upon an Irish Statute in case of Treason If it be objected That in this case the Judges here did not judge upon the party their opinions were only ad informandam conscientiam of the Judges in Ireland that the judgement belonged to the Judges there My Lords with submission this and the other Authorities prove that for which they were cited that is That no absurdity no failer of justice would ensue if this great Judicatory should judge of Treason so made by an Irish Statute The common Law the rule of judging upon an Irish Statute the Pleas of the Crowne for things of life and death are the same here and there This is all that hath yet beene offered For the second point That England hath no power of Judicature for things done in Ireland My Lords the constant practice of ages proves the contrary Writs of errour in Pleas of the Crowne as well as in civill causes have in all Kings reignes been brought here even in the inferiour Courts of Westminster Hall upon judgements given in the courts of Ireland The practice is so frequent and so well known as that I shall cite none of them to your Lordships no president will I beleeve bee produced to your Lordships that ever the case was remanded back againe into Ireland because the question rose upon an Irish Statute or custome Object But it will bee said That writs of errour are onely upon a failer of justice in Ireland and that suits cannot originally bee commenced here for things done in Ireland because the Kings writ runs not in Ireland Answ This might be a good plea in the Kings Bench and inferiour Courts at Westminster Hall the question is whether it bee so in Parliament The Kings writ runs not within the County Palatine of Chester and Durham nor within the five Ports neither did it in Wales before the union in Henry the eighth's time after the Lawes of England were brought into Wales in King Edward the first 's time suits were not originally commenced in Westminster Hall for things done in them yet this never excluded the Parliament suits for life lands and goods within those jurisdictions are determinable in Parliament as well as in any other parts of the Realme Ireland as appeares by the statute of the thirtieth yeere of Henry the third before mentioned is united to the Crowne of England By the Statute of the eight and twenty yeere of Henry the sixth in Ireland it is declared in these words That Ireland is the proper Dominion of England and united to the Crown of England which Crowne of England is of it selfe and by it self fully wholly and entirely endowed with all power and authority sufficient to yeeld to the subjects of the same full and plenary remedy in all debates and suits whatsoever By the Statute of the 33. yeere of Henry the eighth the first Chapter when the Kings of England first assumed the title of King of Ireland it is there enacted That Ireland still is to bee held as a Crowne annexed and united to the Crowne of England So that by the same reason from this that the Kings writ runs not in Ireland it might aswell be held that the Parliament cannot originally hold plea of things done within the County Palatine of Chester and Durham nor within the five Ports and Wales Ireland is part of the Realme of England as appeares by those statutes as well as any of them This is made good by constant practice In all the Parment rolls from the first to the last there are receivers and tryers of petitions appointed for Ireland For the Irish to come so farre with their petitions for justice and the Parliament not to have cognizance when from time to time they had in the beginning of the Parliament appointed receivers and tryers of them is a thing not to be presumed An appeale in Ireland brought by William Lord Vescye against Iohn Fitz Thomas for treasonable words there spoken before any Judgement given in the case there was removed into the Parliament in England and there the defendant acquitted as appeares in the Parliament pleas of the two and twentieth yeere of Edward the first The suits for lands offices and goods originally begun here are many and if question grew upon matter in fact a Jury usually ordered to try it and the verdict returned into Parliament as in the case of one Balliben in the Parliament of the five and thirtieth yeere of Edward the first If doubt arose upon a matter tryable by Record a writ went to the Officers in whose custody the Record remained to certifie the Record as was in the case of Robert Bagot the