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A36088 A Discourse concerning the grounds & causes of this miserable civill war wherein Ireland is exhausted, England wasted, and Scotland likely to be imbroyled, and wherein not only liberty but religion is endangered, &c. 1644 (1644) Wing D1587; ESTC R15277 28,919 40

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for as much as to choose good instruments is the noblest testimony of goodnesse and the influence of Princes upon servants is greater then that of servants upon Princes I have heard that the then Earle of Pembrooke being sollicited by other Court Grandees to erter into a confederacie with them about some alteration in Church and State he told them plainly he durst not venture his manner of Wilton in the businesse unlesse Cecyll and Bacon were first hanged at the Court gate and to hang them would be a matter not to be compassed till they with their Rhetoricke in Cheapside should avert the Citizens hearts from them and that he left as a fond conceit Neverthelesse in censure of Queen Elizabeth some have said that she swept the roome cleane but yet left all the dust heaped up behind the doore and did not carry it forth as she ought to have done Their meaning I conceive is that though she much awed and restrained both Prelates and Papists so as they durst not attempt any thing against the constitution of this State during her raigne yet she left them not in so desperate a condition but that they did recover strength and reunite againe after her death This censure seemes to me too harsh for Prelates without the copulation of Papists to gender a filthy spawne upon them are not of any considerable danger and Papists by her long and prosperous raigne were as much quelled and disabled as possible they could be If any dust was left behind the doore 't was because her life-time was not extensive enough for the carrying it forth forthe reduction of Ireland was very late shee scarce survived it and yet to make the Irish Protestants was of farre more difficultie and would consume longer time then to make them subjects The propogation of the true Faith therefore in Ireland was a taske which Queen Elizabeth was of necessity to leave to her successors and 't is very probable had they begun where shee desisted and not deviated from her resolution that Kingdome had long ere this afforded as many Protestants as subjects whereas now it denyes both for doubtlesse Q. Elizabeth at her decease left Ireland in better disposition to conforme to England then she found England in at her sisters decease to revolt from Rome and therefore with the same industry her successors might have done the same in Ireland as she had done in England But alas no such course was takē there we have reason to think rather that Popery was cherished and preserv'd in Ireland to make way for these tragicall divisions then that there was any designe or undertaking to plant Protestantisme in it for the establishing further union between the nations The example of Q. Elizabeth to whom the protection of God was as constant in saving her from the bloody Emissaries of Rome did not work so strongly to animate King Iames as the Apostacie of Henry the French King whom God deserted for his desertion did serve to intimidate him The revolt of Henry the fourth who gained the Title of Great by his warlike atchievements and the horrible conjuration of the Powder Traytors here in England made so strong impression upon the soft and mild temper of King Iames that to temporise a little with Rome for better security of his Person appeared at that time very seasonable wherefore to dally with Antichrist a little letters were written to Cardinall Perrone and answers received about a reconciliation of Religions and in order thereunto the rigour of penall lawes was rebated nay countenance was shewed to Papists the grandour of Prelates and pompe of Ceremonies in the Church began to be affected The neerer also that King Iames his end approached the more it resembled Salomons and grew tainted with the foule symptomes of a declination in so much that scarce any but Papists were admitted to governe his Councels and then the whole Kingdome began to be exposed as a prey to Spanish French Italian pensioners It was well observed by the Duke of Roan that no Prince in Europe so much opposed his owne interests both in civill and religious affaires as King Iames for doubtlesse the Pope by his agents in all Church matters was more potent then the King himselfe and so was Gundamore in matters of State had not the French and Duch and some other Nations interfered with the Pope and Spantard and given gold for some part in us rather to save us then that we should be lost to their enemies doubtlesse we had been disposed of quickly our happinesse was that France was liberall enough to buy us from Spain and Spain liberall enough to buy us from France c. though our misery was that both sides pulled away more from us then they parted withall from themselves And now when three Kingdomes are under the subjection of one Prince who is under the subjection of one lustfull rash young Favourite and that Favourite solely at the devotion of his vitious opprobrious mischievous mother and that mother a meere Votaresse to Rome utterly forfeited resigned and sold to the commands of Jesuites When our miserable Nations are in this ridiculous preposterous posture of government who can wonder that a Spanish or French Match for our Prince should be designed As great a masse of treasure might have been received with a German Lady and that with lesse expence for the portion of Spaine or France can scarse equall the charge of fetching it all that can be said is Pistols and Patachoons are more valuable than Dollars in our judgement Alliance also amongst Princes if it be of any it is of dangerous consequence it is certaine to produce reall enmitie and emulation but it is uncertaine to produce so much as a shadow of amitie and union especially amongst Princes of the Romish Religion If we negotiate concerning a marriage with the Spanish Infanta 't is necessarie that wee keep faire intelligence with France and capitulate strongly with the German Princes and if wee break off with Spaine and treat with the French Lady 't is necessarie that wee enter into a new confederacie with Spaine and prepare a Fleet for the Isle of Rhees So much weaker than cobwebs are the bonds of matrimony amongst ambitious Monarchs Something also may be said against the incestuous extractions of the House of Austria and the Florentine mixtures of the House of Burbon whereas the nobilitie chastitie and beautie of the German Dames hath ever been not only beyond all exception but also beyond all comparison Nothing then but Poperie unlesse wee will add also the manifold mifchiefes of Poperie could be aimed at in a Popish Alliance by those devillish Engineers which were the insolent Lords of our Lords or rather of our Lords Lords Lords And if we desire further satisfaction therein let us consider the substance of the Popes letter written the 20 of April 1623. to our Prince in Spaine and our Princes Answer thereunto as they are faithfully translated and registred by
because they honour Calvin and are averse from the Pope The name of Protestant also is to be appropriated to the King the Nobilitie the Prelates and Vniversities meerely because they hate the Gentry and Commonalty or the Generality therof more then they hate Papists and lastly the Papist and the Protestant that they may be more fully incorporated both of them shall be gratified and their Vnion solemnized as it were with the ruine of the third and most Potent party of the Kingdom This was that great and godly worke which was so magnified by Doctor Heylin and and other Court Chaplaines of late this was that rare bloudy machination which his Grace of Canterbury and the other Grandees of our Church recommended to us as the pious inclination of the times and as a more beautiful restoration of the Gospel then that which Luther and Calvin labour'd to advance Rome had not such pregnant hopes of regaining England fifty yeares agoe for then as a great Romanist complained opposition was made not onely by a puritan-City and a puritan-Parliament but a puritan-Queene also It should seem the City of London was puritanicall from the beginning and so was the Parliament in which two is comprized all that is noble and worthy in the kingdome of England but who would imagine that so inconsiderable a party as the Papists and semi-Papists were in Queene Elizabeths dayes should dare to asperse not only the whole kingdome but even the Queene her selfe and who can wonder if in these times London and the Parliament have new brands of disgrace worse then that of Puritane fixed upon them The King himselfe now appearing against them if they could not goe unbranded when that unparallell'd Lady professed with them yet we cannot ascribe this so much to the policy of the Clergy as the blockishnesse of the Laity that the Hierarchy prevailes so far for if whole Cities whole Parliaments whole Nations are to be conquered with the meere calumnious words of Puritane Roundhead Anabaptist c. Who is able to stand before them can it be imagined that the same faction should forbeare to call us Round-heads which upbraided Q. Elizabeth as a Puritane especially when by their comming upon the King they have gotten that advantage now Which then they had no hopes to get nor can it be imagined that that party will fall from its preferment and hopes rather then to satisfie so sottish a generation it will take the paines to invent one reviling term of scurrility surely the world for these many ages has had better experience both of the malice and subtilty of Rome 3 Thirdly the meanes used for the effecting of this reconciliation and for the sure transacting and close carrying of it on are now to be considered The King it should seeme thought that without all scanda●l he might receive an Embassadour from the Pope as well as from other Catholick Princes and upon the proposition of the same by Panzani himselfe to the Queene and to some others of power about the King by Panzani's friend the thing seemed very reasonable so that the Nuntio to be sent over were no Priest howsoever for more privacies sake it was ordered that the Nuntio should addresse himself to the Queen and not to the King immediately and that the pretended businesse of his addresse should be to mediate a reconciliation betwixt the Regulars and Seculars in England This would better blinde the jealous Puritanes and make the true intent of the negotiation the more involved and the case of Dr. Smith the Bishop of Chalcedon expelled by the persecution of the Iesuites for claiming jurisdiction as Vniversal ordinary in England served well at this time for a specious colour Reason of state none could be alledged for any intercourse betweene England and Rome therfore the Church affairs must be the subject of our Embassie the Iesuites and the Seculars were imbroyled in some contestation t was for the benefit of Rome to appease the heat of it Without all doubt the Romish Councell De propaganda side would not entertaine agents from us to settle union betweene Calvinists and Lutherans or betweene Remonstrants and Contra-Remonstrants but we that have no such councell nor no such designe instead of nourishing enmity amongst our adversaries allay it and in stead of allaying enmity amongst friends nourish it Nothing can more cleerely shew that the Court of England stands not disaffected to the prosperity of Rome then this endevour of making atonement betwixt the opposite Champions of that religion and yet this was but the shell of the designe the kernell had more mischiefe in it for we may understand by our Venetian that Panzani out of his great circumspection and finenesse having matured the businesse of generall reconciliation so well for the further covering of his true designe he did apply himselfe after to his pretended negotiation And therefore upon the 22 of November 1635 almost a yeare after his arrivall here procured some accord betwixt the Seculars and Regulars though the Iesuites would not come in The truth is the Iesuites were then the principall body of the Regulars governing them as they do still also the best families of England nay the very Court it selfe and so they not submitting to the accord 't was but nugatory and a meere umbrage to all the world except the phlegmaticall dull English Nay it is sufficiently proved by our Venetian that all pacification betwixt the Iesuites Regulars is impossible wherupon if Con comply with the Iesuites it is the same thing as if he did abandon the Seculars and it is to be doubted that the businesse of Religion will be rather hindered than promoted thereby And what greaterinstance need we of the Iesuites predominance in Eng. than this that notwithstanding the distast of Canterb. and his deare confident Chichester they can excite the Popes ordinary here nay without all regard to the Colledge of Sorbona to the Popes own interest they dare inveigh not only against the person of some but against the function of all Bishops Wherefore the accommodation betwixt Seculars and Regulars being so useles to Protestants so hopeles to Papists we must not doubt but some designe of more consequence was obscured under that pretext for when we heare that the Pope and Cardinall Barbarini dispatched so many persons of such quality hither that the King stood bare at their audience and manifested so much grace in their reception and that the Q● and all the great Lords and Ladies with extraordinary presents and frequent visits both given and taken studied to do such honor to them the matter in hand cannot seem ordinary T is true the Arch-bishop would not personally treat with Panzani Windebank his creature was to intervene therin neither could Panzani treat with the Archbishop but by Franscis a Sanct Clara his friend on the other side but this was meerely for secrecies sake for we know well what factions soever were in our Court Panzani was