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A15082 A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of DivĀ· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit* White, Francis, 1564?-1638.; Laud, William, 1573-1645.; Baylie, Richard, b. 1585 or 6, attributed name.; Cockson, Thomas, engraver.; Fisher, John, 1569-1641. 1624 (1624) STC 25382; ESTC S122241 841,497 706

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be vsed towards them accounting the loue faith and honour which are yeelded to his created Word to be loue faith and honour to himselfe Math. 10.14.42 2. Cor. 8.5 Gal. 4.14 Act. 10.34 But Papisticall fancie and imagination produceth none of these nor yet any other true kind of vnion neither hath God almightie in his word commanded duety seruice or worship to be giuen vnto them but on the contrarie by the Doctrine of holy Scripture he condemneth the same IESVIT The Histories of Christian Antiquitie are full of holy men Bishops Kings Queenes and other honourable personages who haue cast themselues downe on the ground before Beggers Lazars and Leapers kissing their feet and their sores out of venerable affection vnto Christ. In which kind memorable is the Charitie of the famous Queene Mathildes daughter of Malcolme King of Scotland and wife to Henrie the first of England whose custome was to wash with her owne hands the feet of poore people amongst whom some were Leapers and had loathsome diseases not disdaining with great reuerence on her knees to kisse their feet with her princely lips And when as the prince of Scotland her brother being then in the Court of England entring into her chamber found her imploied in so humble a seruice astonished thereat rebuked her saying Sister what do you can you with those your defiled lips kisse the king your husband She answered Know brother that the feet of the king of Heauen are more louely and venerable than are the lips of an earthly king Certainely this queene with all other addicted to the like deuotion when they kissed the feet of the poore outwardly with their lips did by imagination full of reuerent affection kisse the feet of Christ Iesus taking the poore as Images of him who said What you do to one of my least ones you do vnto me ANSWER There is great disparitie betweene reasonable creatures the liuing members of Christ the spirituall temples of the holy Ghost and betweene dead and sencelesse stockes which haue eyes and see not eares and heare not noses and smell not Beggers Lazars Leapers c. are recommended to the world by our Sauiour Ioh. 12.8 Luc. 14.21 and they are said to honour their Maker which are charitable to them Pro. 14.31 and he promiseth infinit reward to them which loue and honour the poore Where I pray you hath our Sauiour said of Images of stone wood c. nay of puppets and pranked babies What you do to one of these my least ones you do vnto me Surely the cloathing censing bowing pilgrimage going to Images deuised by mans braine hath neither precept promise example or praise in all Gods Booke neither is there any dignitie or excellencie in them formally or accidentally which may equall them to the meanest reasonable creature An Idol saith S. Augustine is the workemanship of an artificer and if this maker as he hath bestowed figure so he could haue giuen vnderstanding to his creature hee should himselfe receiue honour from the Image which he hath formed And in another place the Artificer is better than that which himselfe formeth Why art thou then ashamed to worship the Carpenter and doest not rather blush when thou adorest that which hee hath formed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith Athanasius That which formeth another is better than the thing which is formed IESVIT Out of this the common Obiection of Protestants to wit That the worship of Christs Image is no where commanded in Scripture and therefore is a will Worship may bee answered For as themselues confesse many Actions belonging to Religion whereof there is no expresse Precept nor any practise in Scripture may be vsed when there be Principles in Scripture which prooue the lawfulnesse and necessitie thereof There is no expresse Precept in Scripture to Christen Jnfants nor is it there read that euer any were Christened yet because there be Testimonies which ioyned with reason prooue the lawfulnesse and necessitie of this Baptisme we may and must vse it In Scripture there is no expresse Practise nor Precept of worshipping the Image of Christ yet there be Principles which the light of Nature supposed conuince such Adoration to be lawfull ANSVVER Protestants obiect against Adoration of Images not onely that the same is no where commanded in Scripture but that it is prohibited and condemned Leuit. 26.1 Neither by Commandement vnderstand we expresse and literall Precept onely but deriuatiue and vertuall And could Papists demonstrate the lawfulnesse of this Action by diuine or supernaturall testimonie immediate or deriuatiue in such manner as the Baptisme of Infants is prooued to be lawfull and necessarie wee must approoue the practise thereof IESVIT For Christ being true God full of honour to whom all supreame adoration is due doth and must needs make honourable and adorable anything that represents him that is which must be taken by imagination as if it were his 〈◊〉 But supposing God to be truely man as Faith teacheth the light of nature sheweth that his image truely represents him that is makes him present to the imaginations of the beholders thereof and stands for him Ergo Christ Iesus his image is for his sake venerable and adorable as a thing standing for him in such sort that the honour done outwardly to it is done and ought to be taken as done by deuout and pious imagination to his person whence further is concluded the necessity of this worship ANSWER The Maior Proposition is denyed For although Christ be true God full of honour yet he imparteth not his honour in whole or in part to euery thing which man appointeth to be a representation of him but onely to such things as haue some excellency in them proceeding from his owne ordinance and influence into them Neither is it in the power of men 〈◊〉 their owne Imaginations either to forme representations of Christ capable of honour or when they haue formed them to appoint that they must be honoured and adored For if the Subiects of secular Princes cannot without speciall commission aduance euen worthy persons to dignities and honourable places in the Common-wealth much lesse are mortall men able to deriue the honours which Christ is Lord of to what they please and to inuest their owne handy worke with Christs honour IESVIT For God incarnate being most venerable and full of glory requires of a Christian that that which stands for him and represents him be honoured and adored for his sake ANSWER Not euery thing which stands for him and represents him according to the deuices and imaginations of men no nor euery thing that represents and stands for him according to his owne precept is to be adored with diuine honour as it is manifest in the brazen Serpent IESVIT If the honour due to a King be so great that the same redounds from his person to things about him as to his chaire of State which is honoured with