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A13158 A briefe examination, of a certaine peremptorie menacing and disleal petition presented, as is pretended, to the Kings most excellent Maiestie, by certaine laye papistes, calling themselues, the lay Catholikes of England, and now lately printed, and diuulged by a busie compagnion, called Iohn Lecey Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1606 (1606) STC 23452; ESTC S117870 127,037 159

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Clerk Brooke Percy Garnet and their confederates hearty affection we beare to your Maiestie and the commonwealth of your Potent Monarchie deserueth It is not our meaning most mightie Monarch being meerly lay men that make no profession of lettres to examine 4 They thinke to slubber matter ouer vvith out examination curiously and contentiously all that our aduersaries haue thundred of late against vs or to dispute with them in mood figure which combate we leaue to the diuines of both parts when your Maiesty shall thinke good thereof but with due respect to giue your Grace an accounte and reason of our beleefe and religion and a full and ample securitie and satisfaction of our fidelities and submission The answere to the first and second Chapter THus we see the causes of their silence and of theire speakeinge but wee cannot see that they are either true or sufficient the first reasons pretended for their silence are these as they tel vs. the cōfidence of a good cause the testimony of an incorrupt conscience the memory of their cōstāt continuall affection to the vndoubted righte and title in remainder of the king to the crowne of England their zeale and promptitude shewed in his maiesties righte and pretention as they call it to the crown of Englād theyr forwardnesse in proclaiming his maiesty King of England and their generall ioy and applause at his maiesties enterance into the realme and for these reasons they say they haue in profound silence expected for some benigne remedy and redresse of their most greeuous calamities and afflictions But first what absurde fellows are these to talke of silence hauing of late time published so manye discourses libells rimes and pamphlets both in defence of themselues and in disgrace of others and presented so many petitions both to his maiesty and to all that could helpe them or were likely to fauour them Secondly if the Massepreestes and theire associates had a conscience so incorrupte as they pretend and such confidence in their cause as they boast why doe they fly the light and hide themselues in corners againe why doe they not make the goodnes of theire cause appeare and particulerly clear themselues of those hereticall and treacherous doctrins wherewith they stand charged they shew themselues most shamelesse when they defend the popes clayme in deposing kings and translating kingdomes and adhere vnto him as his sclaues and maynteine grosse idolatries and absurd nouel tyes to talke either of a good cause or of a good conscience Thirdly if they indeede had fauoured the kings vndoubted righte then woulde they not haue called it pretention nor put him in remainder as heere they doe Nor would so many of them haue fauoured Parsons and Coluill that haue oppugned the kings title in bookes published to the worlde nor haue receiued pensions and interteined intelligēce with other clay mers and pretenders Fourthly those which fauored the Iebusites and spaniardes and pope did not then much applaude when either his maiesty was proclaimed king of England or firste entred into the realme But when they sawe the states forwardnes then whatsoeuer heauinesse lay at their hartes they were forced to set on the best face they cold and to do as others did though with smal alacrity as the deiected countenances heauy sighes and sobre cheare of diuers of them did declare Knowing the king to be of a religiō aduerse to the Pope by the rules of the Popes decretales which they regard as much as the holy scriptures they might not fauoure him nor consort with him if they had beene able to resist Lastly most vniustly they charge the state as oppressing the papists with gre●uous calamities and afflictions whereas their consorts in Spaine and Italy with all cruelty spoyle and murder our brethren and the state doth only punish recusancy with pecuniary mulctes and very rarely and of few and of late tyme hath begun to exact them But had these fellowes so good a cause and conscience as they pretend yet should the same rather mooue thē to speak then to keepe silence For who is not bolld to speake in a good cause to mention the kings mother or the conspiracy of Gray and Cob ham they shold say of Clerk and Watson the principall contriuers of that plot they had no reason being the causes of her destruction drawing her indirectly into theire intricate practises most dangerous to her person and that conspiracy proceeding onely from the inuention practise of Papists The next causes of their silence were as they say the promises made by his maiestie both in publique and priuate the courteous vsage of certain recusants at Hampton courte and his maiesties speech the firste day of the parliament But these are matter that rather mighte moue them to open theire mouths and to giue thankes to his Maiesty for his vndeserued fauors then either to suppresse his prayses in silence or to mutinously to mutter and to vtter wordes of discontentment as if they had bene dealt withall hardlie and vniustly Furthermore they do bewray their vngracious and crooked nature that seeme to charge the king with breach of promise and alteration of his courses who promised more then they deserued and performed all that hee promised and altered not his course of Clemency though forced thereto necessarily by alteration of theyr lewde course and their agents importunity For his promises at Hampton courte which are principally vrged this I answere that in that place neither was any toleration of religion demanded nor any such matter promised nay the cause of the repaire of diuers recusants thither was the suspition conceiued of them as if they were guilty of the preests treason and not any new motion for toleration Thereuppon they prayed his maiesty to haue a good opinion of them being guilty of no other crime as they sayd thē recusācy And he like a most gracious king father of his people answered that the same shoulde be no conuiction if other wise they d emeaned themselues loyally Had they beene as dutifull as his maiesty was benigne and gracious they woulde not haue entred into those plots and rebellions which some did afterward That his maiesty did neuer promise any toleration of popery at any other time a noble Counsellor did assure all that were present when Digby vpon occasion did mention and vrge the same at his arreignement His Maiesty saide hee as well before his comming to the crowne as at the very tyme and alwayes sence was so farre from making a promise or giuing hope of toleration that he professed he shoulde not endure the very motion there of by any whatsoeuer For his clement courses against recusāts euil deseruing papists I need not say much the same being notorious to the world only J wish that this generatiō wold not abuse his clemē cy but seeke to bee thākful for his former fauors thē prouoke his iustice by their cōtinued il carriage misdemenors secret plottings The
sent to Eely to the Catholike recusants there imprisoned from the Lords of Queene Elizabeths priuie Councell with (c) A forme of submission sent down to the Catholiks from the Councell a forme of protestation of their duty and alleageance penned by the sayd Queens learned Councell with direction and commission to take the saide recusants subscriptions thereunto being altogether vnexpected of them they being close prisoners and hauing no intelligence at all of any Commissioners repairing to them So soone as these Commissioners had read some part of their commission to the Catholikes there they foorth with were seuerally deuided and in close prison restrained And notwithstanding the sayd formall originall sent purposely for them to subscribe vnto yet the Commissioners as it seemed for a more triall or for a more aduantage taking against the Catholikes there taxed euery of them to set downe immediately the protestation of their alleageance and dutie to like purpose as was set foorth in the originall seat to them from the Lordes of the Councell which the Catholike Gentlemen were permitted to haue but one onely time read vnto them This seuerall forme of submission in such strict order exacted by the Commissioners was in that (d) The catholikes exhibite a form of submission-far more complete thē that which was sent them ample 2 They had some dispensation to do vvhat they did and yet they did no great matter manner performed by the said recusants that the sayd Commissioners singularly extolling greatly preferring the same before the said originall accepted thereof and required not at all the Catholikes to subscribe to the said originall so penned by the said Queens learned Counccil and addresled by the Lords of the priuie Councell to whom the said prorestations being sent and by them perused they receiued such a full approbation that after that time neuer any odious imputation or calumniations against the fidelity of the Catholikes preuailed The like was the valour (a) The fidelity of Irish Catholikes fidelity and laudable seruice of the Irish Catholike recusants at Kinsale in Ireland anno 1600. who joyning their forces with the late Quens against the Spanish power and against then owne Countrimen and Kinsmen expelled with their assistance the Spaniard and were 1 These bastardly English do rob their ovvn countrimen of their honor in the battell by Kinsalo an 1600. and giue all to the Irish Gods glory like rebells to God they suppresse speciall meanes to keep Ireland in obedience to the Crowne of England which otherwise in the opinions of the commanders of the English forces then there had been vtterly lost And none of iudgement there doubted but that it was in the power of those Irish 2 Of these goodly Catholikes there vvere 4. rebells at the least for one true subiect in the Queens army Catholike Earles Barons Knights Gentlemen and their followers to haue betrayed then that Realme of Ireland to the hands of the Spaniards if either zeale of extirping the Protestant religion thence and firme establishing of the Catholike religion could haue preuayled with them or dread of (b) Excommunication hindred not the Irish Catholikes to do the duties of good subiects excommnnication or threatning of the powerfull inuader proclayming by sound of Trumpet and deuulging proclamations that his sword should no more spare a Catholike recuss●t disobeying that excommunication then it should doe a protestant resisting in armes And this singular act of loyalty so shortly after seconding and confirming the like of the English catholikes in Eighty eight without all gain-saying conuinceth that the English and Irish Catholike recusantes are not (c) English Itish Catholikes no conditionall subiects conditionall subiects but most true loyall and 3 To the Pope rather then to the king faithull subiects to their Prince and to the Crowne of England therein giuing place to no subiectes of those two Realmes whosoeuer or of what degree soeuer and whose proofe and triall herein farre excelleth all other the subiects of those Realmes if preheminence should in that behalfe be attributed to any profession of Religion in the sayd Kingdomes This argument of our sormer behauiour and of our obedience vnder the 4 Shame you not to charge so mercifull a Princesse vvith seuerity vvhen your selues both by color of lavv by lavvlesse massacres most or uelly murder quiet Christians seuerity of the late Queen may in all reason assure your maiesty that in matter of our loyal●e we are like pure Gold fined and refined in the fire of many years probation and therin not to be any way stained The second triall of our fidelities consisteth in matter likewise of fact (d) Catholiks behauiour towards his Maiesties Pre towards your Maiesties Predecessors your Title in them and in your selfe and the effect of our loue and affection performed in all occasions that might giue contentment to your Maiesty both before and since your entrance into this your Kingdome of Ergland which we will endeauour to touch as briefly as we can It cannot be denied then in the first ranke of these our comportements but that we our selues in our times and our Catholike Parents before vs at all times of opportunity offered haue declared our deuouted affectiōs to your 1 As may appear by Parsōs his book of Titles by Coluils libells and by the subscriptions and allovvances of them by diuers papists said Highnes (a) Catholiks alwaies affected to the Kings Title to England right to this crowne the testemonies whereof are in printed books and publike facts so manifest to the world that we need not long dwel on that point vouchsafe therefore patience we beseech you Deare Soueraigne to heare som instances of the (b) Blessings benefits his Maiesty hath receiued by catholikes blessings and the benefits your Maiesty hath receiued by 2 But not by papists beleeuing the doctrin of Trent and the kingkilling positions maintained by the popish faction catholikes and by our seruices and fidelities King Henry the 7. and his eldest Daughter from whome your Maiesty hath receiued lineally and directly your birth right and naturall succession to this crowne were most zealous and religious Catholikes and for that singular affection he did beare to the (c) Henry the 7 preferreth the Scotish King before the French Scotish nation principally for their great zeale at all times to the catholike religion preferred the same before France bestowing his sayd eldest Daughter on your Highnes great Grandfather and the yonger vpon the 3 King Henry the 7. vvas dead before the mach made vvith his daughter French King by which happy mariage came that lineall and rightfull descent of bloud that made your Maiesties renowned Mother Heyr apparant to this crowne of England who also was the vndoubted (d) His Maiesties Mother lineall heir to K. Edward the Confessor lineall Heire to King Edvvard the Confessor by his sister Margaret Queene and Saint and
the presence of the Lords there assembled for her conuiction vttering these words [a] Her bludis shed yet remaineth peace authority to work them redemptiō of her so desired VVo is me for the poore Catholikes and the miseries I foresee they are like to endure for their irremoueable affection to me and miue If I vvere as free as mine estate and innocency requireth I vvould gladly redeeme their vexations vvith my dearest bloud The same zeale and promptitude after her decease we shewed in your Maiesties right and 1 His Maiesties right is but pretention to these lay papist pretention to the Crowne of England the oppositions were 2 Parsons did indeed oppose against the Kings right in his booke of titles so did al his folovvers made by vs and our Catholike brethren and friendes abroade and at home leauing nothing in our power vndone that might lawfull aduance your Maiesties rightful Title as Heir apparent to the Crown of England against all practises or proiects to the contrary (b) The L. Monteagle M. Fran. Treshā Sir Lewis Tresham in the Towre of London Our 3 VVhen there vvas no remedy forewardnes in proclayming your Maiesty without any further warrant then the right and iustice of your Title and the loyalty and affection of our harts (c) Sir Thomas Tresham at North-hampton The 5 Was it dangerous to proclame the king dangers and difficulties that some amongst vs passed in performing thereof in times so green and doubtfull (d) The Vicount Montague largely casting mony among the people The generall 6 Rather greef sorovv and anger ioy and applause shewed by vs with remarkable signes of infinite contentemente at your Highnes entrance into the Realme with dutiful offices of ioy and readines to proclaime and receiue your Maiesty were performed by Catholikes with such alacrity in most places of the Realme and those in such 4 None of these I hope vvill either subscribe this petition or confes the Pope to be supreme head of the church (e) The Lord Winsor the L. Mordent distance one from the other that they cold haue no intelligence one with another how they should behaue themselues in that occasion which maketh it euident that so generall a consent in so suddaine and important an affaire of persons so by places deuided could not proceede from any other fountaine but from an vniuersall and setled deuotion to your Maiesties vndoubted Title All which offices of our loue and loyalty we assure our selues are aswell knowne to your Maiesty as your Maiesties Cādor Clemency is knowne vnto vs by vs blazed throughout the Christian worlde And not by our tongues and pens onely are these your heroicall vertues made so notorious as they are by the often publique and 7 Will you say the King hath broken promise gracious promises also protestations which your Maiesty out of the infinite bounty and magnanimity of your minde hath made aswell to Princes abroade as to priuate Men at home as well before as after the Queenes death as well before as after your entrance to the Realm both in priuate and in publique both in Palace and Parliament that you vvoulde haue no bloud for Religiō that you vvold hane no sale mony for conscience cōtrary to the vvord of God that you vvold review the lavves made against Catholikes and giue order for clearing of them by reason in case they baue beene in times past farther or more rigorously executed by the iudges then the meaning of the lavv vvas The intended performance of which your most gracious promises receiued a memorable commencement in Iuly last past some fewe dayes before your Royall coronation when by speciall order of your Highnes without any suite or motion of Catholikes certain Recusāts of the best quality and ability out of diuers parts of the Realme were sent for to Hampton Court by the Lords of your Maiesties priuy Councel and were by them very respectiuely and curteously vsed also assured by the saide Lords that your Maiesties Royal pleasure and Clemency vvas to exonerate the Catholikes of this realme from henceforth of that pecuniarie mulcte of xx pound a moneth for recusancy The xx pound a Moneth for Recusancy released by the Kings voluntary promise in Iuly 1603. which your Maiesties grace and relaxation the saide Lords signified that they shold so long enioy as they kept themselues vprighte in all ciuill and true cariage to vvardes your Maiesty and the State vvithout contempt whereunto reply was made that recusancy might be held for an act of contempt It was auswered by the Lords of the Councell that your Maiesty vvoulde not accompt 1 Can men refuse to concur in gods vvorship and yet be guiltlesse recusancie for a contempt And this your Maiesties gratious order and pleasure the sayde gentlemen recusants were willed to signifie to all other Catholikes Which grace proceeding from your Maiesties meere clemency voluntary good will in that moste dangerous time of the discouery of the conspiracy of the Lord 2 But contriued by Watson Clerke tvvo Romish traiterous martyrs Gray and Cobham semed to vs so inuiolable and so little subiect to chaunge or alteration that comparing these bountifull effects with the repose trust which your Maiesty in your Printed booke to your Peerles son seemeth to put in them that were faithfull and resolutely affected to your Mother and with the speech your Highnes made the first day of the Parliament tending to some more 3 Bevvare least your presumptuous challenges treasons alter not the kings course temperate course in matter of Religion then was of late vsed we had great reason to abstaine from farther importuning 4 VVhat then meant you by your importune petitions your Maiesty either by friends or petition but to exspect with silence patience and all humble submission how your Maiesty should please to dispose of vs without any diffidence or distrust either in our own 5 If merits vvere respected vvhat can you claime merites or your mercy Chapter 2. The reasons that haue driuen vs to * Better it is to be silent then to speak foolishly breaech of silence and to a necessary and iust defence BVT Alas Dreade 1 The Popes vassalls dread him not nor count him supreme Soueraigne we see our filence modesty and simplicity so abused by some 2 They should be indeed very indiscreet if they cold not discerne your false religion from catholike doctrine indiscreet Ministers who in their Bokes and Sermons make it euident they think no abuse or indignitie offred vs sufficient to satisfie theire 3 Remember your bloudy persecution rigour in queen Maries cruell raign you massacrers of Christians rigorous mindes or supresse our righteous cause that wee are driuen thereby to breake our determinate course of filence vrged and inforced thereto by these sequent occasions Firste The firste