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B07995 The Catholikes supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie, for toleration of Catholike religion in England: with short notes or animaduersions in the margine. : Whereunto is annexed parallel-wise, a supplicatorie counterpoyse of the Protestants, vnto the same most excellent Maiestie. : Together with the reasons of both sides, for and against toleration of diuers religions.. Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611. 1603 (1603) STC 20141.5; ESTC S94766 17,197 37

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opinion of learning of his disloyall carriage of his number and dependencie at home and abroade IIII. REASON The French King hath graunted a toleration of both Religions Out of the 7. Section which is the cause of quietnes in his kingdome Ergo The King of England may doe so likewise ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 The cause of quietnes in Fraunce was not toleration but the banishment of the Iesuites See the Counterpoyse Sect. 7. 2 The contrarie religion in Fraunce is tolerated of necessitie and disabilitie of the Catholikes part to expugne and ruine the other as it was in the time of Charles the ninth and Henrie the third 3 Such as the French King doth tolerate doe in opinion derogate nothing from his Soueraigntie nor in action attempt any thing against his person But it is and euer was otherwise with Papists in England II. To the Consequence 1 Men liue by the rule of Reason and law not by examples 2 The French King holdeth correspondence in religion with the Pope therefore in a question of the worship and seruice of the Lord he cannot be a fit president to a Christian Prince professing the Gospell 3 Though the French King permitteth the free exercise of the Gospell a doctrine lawfull in it selfe and holie which derogateth nothing from Princes soueraigntie yet may not the King of England permit Papistrie the doctrine being Antichristian and vnlawfull in it selfe ioyned also with dishonor and perill 4 The French King alloweth toleration to such who acknowledge him for their lawfull Soueraigne who neuer plotted against his Crowne and life nor can be induced vpon any suggestion so to doe whereas his Maiestie of England is solicited to yeeld it to such who hold that he is an Heretike that hee may be diuested by the Popes Bull of his imperiall Crowne and regalities who haue disposed of their allegeance to a forraine Prince who neuer cease from proiects and practises for alteration who in fittest oportunitie vpon mandate from the Pope are readie to take armes for the subuersion of his Scepter and state of his royall person and of the Gospell V. REASON Vpon graunt of toleration England will not be odious to all Christian Nations for cruell persecution of Catholikes Out of the 8. Section as now they are Ergo Toleration should in good reason be allowed and maintained ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 England is not odious to all Christian Nations neither did it euer within the supposed time persecute Catholikes but punish Traytors Toleration being admitted yet will not such as hate England cease to hate her still because of the disgrace that must relie vpon Poperie his Maiestie the State and almosy all the subiects professing the Gospell II. To the Consequence 1 To graunt toleration that England might not be slaundered for proceedings against Papists and hated by those of that faction were for curing of the headach to knock out the braines If we consider the parties that hate vs the insufficient ground they haue for their hating vs the little measure of preiudice or dammage that commeth thereof and on the other side the ineuitable dishonour the daunger and mischiefe of toleration we shall see that the former is not worthie any regard when there is question of the latter 3 The surcease of Catholike-hate being altogether vncertaine and accidentarie it cannot be in policie a sufficient ground for imbracing of dangerous toleration VI REASON Toleration will stay hostile attempts of Catholikes against the Realme and so Traffique will be free Out of the 8. Section Subsidies and Taxes shall not be so many c. Ergo Toleration is to be imbraced ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 It is not the cause of Religion though it hath been some part of their pretence that embarked enemies against this land But violent humours of ambition to a Monarchy of malice and reuenge vpon supposed indignities the securing of their owne greatnes by impayring their Neighbours c. therefore toleration cannot redresse hostilitie 2 Suppose Religion the cause yet it is not toleration but alteration that they aime at and therfore their hostile practises and machinations are vnlikely to cease for toleration 3 Hostile attempts may cease without toleration as by disabilitie on the aduerse part necessitie compulsion c. II. To the Consequence 1 Euill must not be done that good may come thereof Toleration of Idolatrie cannot be denied to be euill 2 Of two euils the lesser is to be chosen Hostile attempts may endaunger the bodie Toleration damneth the soule VII REASON Toleration will be gratefull to all Catholike Princes abroad Out of the 9. Section Ergo It ought to be granted ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 Alteration would be more gratefull vnto Catholike Princes then toleration should alteration therefore be graunted II. To the Consequence 1 Should his royal Maiestie graunt an impietie and hazard his royal estate and person yea his subiects and the Gospel to gratifie Catholike Princes 2 Whether it be right in the sight of God to obey you rather then God iudgeye Act. 4.19 3 If I should please men I were not the seruant of Christ saith the Apostle Galat. 1.10 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 VII REASON Out of the 9. Section All English subiects would be acceptable to all Catholike countries who are now almost abhorred of all if toleration were graunted Ergo Toleration is not to be denied ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 It is false that Englishmen are abhorred of all Catholike countries otherwise then for their religion as all other Protestants be 2 Suppose a toleration yet dissension in religion extinguisheth acceptation in affection therefore it is not probable that English subiects being Protestants in religion should be esteemed and accepted among such as are of a contrarie faction 3 Nullus est fidus eorum affectus quorum est diuersa fides saith Hierome 4 Not toleration but plaine alteration would peraduenture make English subiects acceptable II. To the consequence 1 No sinne must be committed against God for gaining of particular aduantage 2 It is a grosse error in pollicie in hope of idle and accidentarie reputation to make choice of certaine mischiefe IX REASON Out of the 9. Section Vpon toleration of Catholike Religion we shall enioy assured peace Swordes shall bee changed into ploughes and launces into sithes Ergo Toleration is to be admitted ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 Religion is not the cause of disturbance of peace and hostile attempts against this kingdome as hath been said alreadie 2 If it were the cause yet the Gospell which is the thing they would extirpate should remaine still for all toleration so that warres are not likely to cease 3 Toleration would hatch simultation iarres discord dissension and at last deadly warre rather then peace 4 If Papists still attempted treasons in time of their restraint in Queene Elizabeths dayes is it not probable that hauing more libertie they would be more treacherous