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A88166 A copie of a letter, written by John Lilburne Leut. Collonell. To Mr. William Prinne Esq. (Upon the coming out of his last booke, intituled Truth triumphing over falshood, antiquity over novelty) in which he laies down five propositions, which he desires to discusse with the said Mr. Prinne. Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657. 1645 (1645) Wing L2092; Thomason E24_22; ESTC R21507 5,103 7

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medled with matters of Religion I grant you they have but I demaund of you by what Right or by what Authority out of the Word of God they have so done Hath God the Father or Jesus Christ his Son given them any allowance in thi● Or have they not hereby rather fulfilled the Prophesies of the Scripture which saith Rev. 17.17 that the Kings of the Earth shall give their power unto the Beast till the Word of God be fulfilled which they have done in assisting the Pope to joyne the Ecclesiasticall and Civill State together making the golden Lawes of Christ to depend upon the leaden Lawes of man yea upon such Lawes as was just sutable to their tyrannicall lusts and which might the most advance their wicked ends and designes and in the doing of this they have set up a perfect Antichrist against Gods Christ yea England is not free from this for though King Henry the right did shake of the Popes Supremacy yet by the advice of the Clergie the sworne enemies of Jesus Christ he assumed the same calling himselfe Head in all causes Ecclesiasticall and Civill and so though he jusled out the Pope he set himselfe in the Throne of Christ and his Successours have done the same for opposing of which the Saints that were burnt in Queen Maries dayes have not only smarted but also those that were hanged and murdered in Prisons in Queen Elizabeths dayes and those that were banished and destroyed in King James his dayes and my selfe and many others that have suffvred worse then death in King Charles his dayes and this is the great Contrversi● that God contends with the whole Earth for and for which God will make the greatest of Princes and States to tast a Cup of trembling yea and to drinke the dregs of his fury and wrath for he will give people and Nations for his Saints Esa 43.3.4.14 And if England drinke yet deeper of this Cup amongst other causes they may thanke Mr. Prinne for it who hath incited them to wage war with the King of Saints and his redeemed ones who will dash all the Nations of the Earth in peeces in being revenged of them for that which they hove done unto them already in this particular Rev. 18. ch 19.1.2 For Sir let me tell you it is the incommunicable Prerogative of Jesus Christ alone to be King of his Saints and Law-giver to his Church and people and to raigne in the soules and consciences of his chosen ones it being too high a throne for all the creatures in the world to raigne in and therefore were your eyes but open it would make you quake and tremble to consider what you have done in endeavouring to set the Potentates of the Earth together by the eares with Christ who is to rule all Nations Rev. 12.5 to plucke his Crowne from his head his Scepter out of his hand and his Person out of his Throne of State that his Father hath given him to raigne gloriously in Oh Sir consider the time is not long before Jesus Christ will come againe in glory tryumphantly and say it out of his own mouth before the eyes of the sonnes of men bring those mine enemies before me that will not have me to rule over them that J may slay them Luke 19.17 Sir If your Positions be true that there is no rule left in the world how we may worship God but that Kings and States may set up what Religion● they please or may mould it to the maners of their people 〈◊〉 Queen Mary did justifiably in burning the Saints in her dayes that would not stoope and submit to that Religion she and her Parliament had set up Truly had I not seen your name to your Bookes I should rather have judged them a Papists or a Jesuites then Mr. Prinnes and without doubt the Pope when he sees them will Cannonize you for a Saint for throwing downe his enemie Christ who you say hath been lesse faithfull then Moses and so had need of the Pope or some others to supply what he hath been deficient in Surely you have given away your ears suffered as a busie body in opposing the King and the Prelates without all doubt all is not gold that glisters for were you not a man that had more then truth to looke after namely your owne ends and particular interest which I am af●raid you strive more to set up then a publike good you should rather importuned the Parliament to have continued their favours and respects to that people that cannot prostrate their consciences to mans devises though never so great and famous and who yet with their bodies and estates to the utmost of their power yea and divers of them beyond their abilities have done the Parliament as sinceare upright faithfull and good service as either your selfe or any generation of men in England whatsoever they be then to enforce them to destroy them But truly the Son of God and his saints those beloved ●ewels of his are but a litle beholden to you that will not suffer his ransomsed ones to enjoy the Liberty of their Conscience to serve their Lord and King that hath bought them with his owne blood are you not in this as cruell a Taskmaster as Pharaoh nor to have footing in the Land of their Nativity though Christ himselfe hath given them a true right to all things present in this world and all things in that is to come 1 Cor. 2.21.22.23 and they themselves many thousand of them have endeavoured more then your selfe to redeem their native Countrey from bondage and slavery with their dearest blood And therefore I say the Lord judge betwixt you and us in this particular Sir It may be instead of satisfying my desire you 'll run and complaine to the Parliament and presse them upon their Covenant to take vengance upon me if you doe I weigh it not for I blesse God I am fitted to doe or suffer whatsoever the Parliament shall impose upon me but if you do take these two along with you First That I am not against the Parliaments setting up a S●te-Government for such a Church as they shall thinke fit to make the generality of the Land members of for I for my part leave them to themselves to doe what they shall thinke good so that they leave my Conscien●e free to to the Law and Will of my Lord and King Socondly If you put them in mind of their Covenant tell them I thinke they have sworne to root out all Popery and therefore have lately abolished the Common Prayer that great Idoll but yet have established Tythes c. the very root and support of popery which I humbly conceive is a contradiction to their Covenant and which wil be a greater snaire then the Common Prayer to many of the pretious consciences of Gods people wh●se duty is in my judgement to dye in a prison before they act or stoop unto so dishonourable a thing as this is to their Lord and Master as to maintaine the Blacke-coates with Tythes whom they looke upon as the professed enemies of their Annoynted Christ he that pays Tythes is bound to the whole Law of Tythes in which there was a Lambe to be brought for a Sin-offering which is abolished also he that was to take Tythes was one that was to offer sacrifice dayly for sin which if any do so now it is to deny Christ come in the flesh and to be the alone sacrifice for sin by his death and so overthrow all our comfort joy and hope So desiring to receive your Answer to the things I propound to you I rest LONDON this 7. Jan. 1645. Yours more then you are the Truthes JOHN LILBURNE FINIS