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A37324 A letter from a Protestant of integrity to a principal peer of the realm now sitting in Parliament by way of animadversion on a letter from a person of quality to the same peer of the realm : occasioned by the present debate upon the penal laws. C. D. 1661 (1661) Wing D53; ESTC R26472 11,502 20

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throughout his whole book as if they onely were his Antagonists My Lord I am not Advocate for the Presbyterians the chief unhappy declining party among us yet I cannot in retired and serious thoughts but wish the present violence and contempt poured on them may be found to redound to the honour and good of our King and Kingdom Whatsoever transcendent power over Kings and States some ambitious men cloathed with that appellation might pursue we cannot deny the generality of that party to have done His Majestie most eminent service and were they as conformable in their Ecclesiasticks as they are sound in their Politicks they would be ranked among the best most learned and seriously pious of His Majesties Subjects To give them their due which we say must not be denyed to the Devil I finde Crofton himself who is deemed the most violent of them in the very book for which he now suffers so fully and plainly to assert his Majesties Supremacy Immunity from all humane condition as to His Subjects allegiance and co-action and so fully square in all his Politicks that I cannot but question the prudence not to say the justice of his so long and severe durance But my Lord let these men be what they will I am sure the Presbyterians lose not nor doth our Church gain by these and the like raging reproaches representing them the onely Protestants as if our Prelatical Clergy were as they are suspected to be the fast friends to Papacy and Roman Catholicks Sure my Lord this person of quality never heard of Cranmer Bancrofts Hall Moreton Vsher Davenant Downam and many other Prelates who were anti-Presbyters and yet by pen and pulpit pressed No peace with Rome It is Sir the strength of schism to suggest and give men cause to suppose our suppression thereof is the striking hands with superstition My Lord when Presbyters are out of play I hope the Papists shall finde the Protestants spirit abide on the Prelates and Clergy of the Church of England who will not cease from their pulpits and presses to declare That Papists or Roman Catholicks qua tales believing and affirming no faith is to be kept with Hereticks as they account all Protestants That the Pope is in all things to be obeyed as a power absolute and infallible That the Pope may and can dispence with and absolve all oathes civil or religious obligations the very sinews of humane society That he is Christs Vicar and as such hath the universal power of the Kingdoms of the ea●th and may give them to whom he will That the Popes Excommunication dischargeth all natural and civil relation and the duties thereof absolveth the subjects from allegiance to their lawful and natural Prince warranteth the subjects rebellion or neighbours invasion and usurpation That the Pope may pard●n an impiety pl●…ed before it be perpetrated as he did to the Monk which poysoned King John and the Conspirators in the Gunpowder Treason against King James all which must be most seriously abjured without a Popish mental reservation before this Advocates security That the Pope himself shall never be able to withdraw his clients from their allegiance to His sacred Majestie can he taken or of force are altogether insociable and cannot live with us or any Protestants with the safety of humane society which is more then jars and tumults And if my Lord Roman Catholicks be found to be brats of Babylon and children of Antichrist believing and practicing damnable Doctrines and deceiving unto the destruction of such as drink their poysons from whom the Elect of God having their names written in the Book of Life are required to depart They will not fear to affirm that to give them the least connivance is no less then damnable for our Church knoweth no venial sin and yet acquit themselves from the charge of gall spleen madness turbulency extravagant heat indiscreet and hair-brained zeal and the like epithetes framed out by this Supplicant whose wisdom it had been by softer words and stronger reasons to convince mens judgements and perswade the indulgence of his party in whose behalf he passeth from his passion to offer something to salve the insolvible objection against their defired liberty His first answer is my Lord according to the subtilty of the Man of sin urged with a double Sophism referring us for the demonstration of the Papists sociabilty unto the times and places where and when Popery was predominate and bauking their barbarous cruelty witnessed by the bloody and inhumane persecution of those few Martyrs those dark times afforded he hath the confidence to tell your Lordship That from the Saxons to King Edward the sixth to be a Roman Catholick was never a bar to loyalty obedience to civil Government nor can any deny but that France Spain Italy the Empire and Poland have ever accounted and do still him as the best subject and least dangerous to the civil state who is best affected to that Religion My Lord this Advocate dealeth wisely to appeal to those times and places in which the ignorant devotion to S. Peters Keys or awful dread of S. Pauls sword made Prince themselves most slavish Vassals to the Papacy to take their Crowns at the Popes courtesie and let his holiness kick them off at his will to dance attendance at the gates of Canusium or suffer themselves to be whipt at Canterbury or his Holiness to tread on their Royal necks and give their Crowns to whom he pleaseth in which case they durst not but deem the peoples affection to that power to which themselves swore allegiance to be the best mark of loyalty the very thoughts to the contrary being an herefie worthy the Popes curse and loss of their Crown But my Lord one instance of a Prince fully freed from this Tyrannical yoke would be much more convincing But my Lord this Suppliant is sure a stranger to the base and barbarous usage of the Emperours Henrious the fourth and fifth Fredericus Barbarossa and Fredericus secundus Childericus King of France our own William Rufus King John King Henry the second and others with the commotions perturbations invasions usurpations and rebellions against them and many other Princes made by and upon a blinde obedience of the Roman Catholicks at the command of their holy Father the Pope or thinks he the sound here of never reacht to England or would he have Pipinus Rodulphus Anselm Thomas Becket and the Clergy under Henry the eighth accounted most sociable men and loyal subjects that he can with this confidence affirm That from the Saxons times unto King Edward the fixth to be a Roman Catholick was the best mark of loyalty without doubt he hoped that on the repeal of the Pepal Laws against the Papists the Statute of the submission of the Clergy will meet with cui index expurgatorius and that monument of Roman Catholick disloyalty be quite obliterated My Lord I wonder not so much to observe this person of quality to be