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A36912 The copy of a letter sent from the Cardinall du Perron embassadour for the French king at Rome concerning the divisions of the papists of England their difference in government whether by bishops or Jesuites with the care of His Holinesse in the agreement, and his judgement in placing of bishops in England for making priests to increase the Catholic number : whereunto is added a certaine conjecture of the use both prelates and papists have made of the cardinals counsell to augment and establish their greatnesse.; Ambassades et negotiations. English. Selections Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 1556-1618. 1641 (1641) Wing D2637; ESTC R5607 5,454 9

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THE COPY OF A LETTER SENT FROM THE Cardinall du Perron Embassadour for the French King at Rome CONCERNING THE Divisions of the Papists of England their difference in Government whether by Bishops or Jesuites with the Care of his Holinesse in the agreement and his Judgement in placing of Bishops in England for making Priests to increase the Catholike Number Whereunto is added a certaine Conjecture of the use both Prelates and Papists have made of the Cardinals Counsell to augment and establish their Greatnesse Printed in the yeere 1641. IT is not long since accidentally I did fall upon a Book written in French of the Negotiations and Embassages of the famous and learned Cardinall du Perron Where amongst many notable passages which happened in his Embassage at Rome and wherewith hee acquainted the French King Henrie the fourth his master he has one in one letter to the King his master concerning the divisions of the Papists in England and the meanes to be used for their reconciliation With his judgement of the Bishops of England Which after I had read and considered I was induced thereby not without reason to believe that it had served for a Counsell to both the Bishops and Papists to ground their greatnesse upon and to advance both the one and the other to that height they were in before the Parliament began Now imagining that it might serve to informe the judgements of many and help them to rip up the arcana principia and hid Maximes the Prelates and Papists have used these many yeeres to increase their owne greatnesse oppresse all those that should dare to oppose them I have set down the true Coppy not varying from the originall so truly as I could to which I have added my conjecture in few words of the advantages Prelates and Papists have taken from it as also of their complying together to uphold one another The Coppy of a Letter sent from ROME by the Cardinall Du Perron to HENRY the fourth King of France his Master extant in the second volumn of his negotiations and Embassages being this Argument He communicated to the Pope that which it had pleased his Majesty to write to him of the estate of affairs in England and of the dispute betwixt the Fathers Jacobines and Jesuites there that which his Holinesse spake to him and desired him to do a dissension amongst the English Papists the means proposed to appease them contrary difficulties and remedies to be used TO HENRY the Great Sir I Shall supply in this Letter my shortnesse in the last I sent to your Maiesty by the Ordinarie On Tuesday the 23. of the last Moneth I had audience of the Pope and did communicate to his Holinesse that which it pleased your Maiesty to impart to me of your opinion concerning the affairs in England and the dispute betwixt the Fathers Jacobines and Jesuites he was much satisfied with both the one and the other advise and often thanked your Maiestie for the good duties your Maiesty had done him in blotting out of the King of Englands imagination the sinistrous impression divers had moved him to conceive of his intentions Concerning the dispute he seemed highly to approve of your Maiesties opinion which was to endeavour by all means to end that difference by one agreement to which purpose he gave me charge that at the first Congregation of the Cardinals which should be holden for that effect I should propose somethings to try if possibly that expedient might be used I did communicate also to his Holinesse concerning the affairs of England two Letters sent to me from Venice the one from Mounsieur De Beaumont to Mounsieur De Fresnes the other from Mounsieur De Fresnes to mee accompanied with a third sent from a certain Doctor of England by their means to his Holinesse The end of all those Letters was that the divisions amongst the English Papists might be taken away some of them obeying one Arch-priest governed by the Iesuites others appealing from the unlawfully administred authority of the arch-priest Their common opinion for removing that difference was to establish a good number of Bishops to whom neither the appealers nor the Iesuits could lawfully refuse obedience I read those Letters gladly to his Holinesse as being written with great wisdome and discretion evidencing also the care your Maiesties servants had for the advancement of Religion in that Kingdome and especially because the Letters of the English Priest heretofore well known to his Holinesse was filled with the praises of your Maiesties prudent carriage in the matter of the Catholike Religion there and much blaming that of the Spaniards as also because myself had proposed the same things to the Pope at his first Inauguration esteeming it profitable not onely for the good of the Church but also for your Maiesties service because the faction of the Iesuites in that Kingdome dependeth on Personius and other instruments of the Spanish faction His Holinesse made me answer that Pope Clement had continually made scruple to hearken to that expedient fearing least it should stirre up a greater persecution in England against the Catholikes I answered him that on the contrary it would rather diminish then augment it because that in generall the Heretiques did not carry so much hatred against the Bishops as against the Iesuites who as they beleeve do meddle themselves much more with the estates and lives of Princes nor any other of the Ecclesiasticall orders Morever that the name of Bishops was yet in great reverence amongst them and where as they do reiect and abhor the title of Priest because they beleeve there is no sacrifice in the Christian Religion they do honour and respect the name of Bishops and by this means they should moderate and diminish their persecutions against Bishops much more against the simple Priests or Iesuites To which I added that there being no Bishops in England there could be no Priests consecrated there and that it behooved those who desired to be promoted to the order of Priesthood should come take their orders here beyond the Seas whence did arise two notable inconveniences First that it did hinder the multiplication of Ecclesiastique persons in England inregard of the expence perils and incommodities it behooved them to undergoe in passing and repassing the Seas The other that this communication and acquaintance they came to make here with strangers made them afterwards suspected to their Countrey men as having been corrupted and suborned of them by whose means they had obtained those orders so that I did foresee great utilities in the proposed advice and did onely find one incommodity which was that the Protestant Bishops of England wherof many do secretly favour the Romish Religion allured possibly in hope to be confirmed by the Catholikes in their dignities should fall from all such hopes when they should perceive his Holinesse had consecrated others in their place But the remedy that might be used was to consecrate onely some Bishops in