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A20964 The waters of Siloe To quench the fire of purgatory and to drowne the traditions, limboes, mans satisfactions and all popish indulgences, against the reasons and allegations of a Portugall frier of the order of St. Frances, supported by three treatises. The one written by the same Franciscan and entituled The fierie torrent, &c. The other two by two doctors of Sorbon. The one intituled The burning furnasse. The other The fire of Helie. By Peter Du Moulin minister of Gods word. Faithfully translated out of French by I.B.; Accroissement des eaux de SiloƩ. English Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658.; Barnes, John, fl. 1600-1621, attributed name.; I. B., fl. 1612. 1612 (1612) STC 7343; ESTC S111086 158,344 552

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greatest so doth he smite the greatest blowes for by these meanes the hath encroached a dominion over Emperours kings and Princes whom either in person or by their Embassadours he forceth to take the stripes and beatings in his own presence Baldus l 5. De. 2. Mach. l. 1. Hist of Florence Polid. Virg. Mat. Paris Io. Maior l. 4 c. 3. Omitting all latter examples let vs speak of matters more ancient Pope Alexander the third enioyned Henry the second king of England in person to go into Palestine and withal to giue to his subiects leaue to make their appeales to Rome Pope Innocent the fourth imposed vpon Iohn king of the same land a yearly satisfactiō of a thousand markes and this tribute continued in force in England vntill the Reformation Pope Alexander the thirde made the Emperour Fredericke Barbarossa to humble himselfe at his feet yea he set his foot vpon his throat nay more They haue proceeded so far as to depriue kings and Emperours of their estates which is a grievous satisfactiō and never followed by any Indulgence The more we read the more abhomination And it falleth out with vs in these matters as with such as begin to count the stars in the beginning of the evening but after by the multitude that shoot forth are vtterly confounded Alas how hath Satan wonne so much from the Church of God Had we ever greater cause with the Prophet Ieremie to wish that our eies were fountaines to bewaile these woūds of the church so great abuse so heavy a yoke laid vpon mens consciences O eternall son of God take in hand thine owne cause deliver so many captived soules and let the light of thy gospel shine among vs. But least we should stray too far let vs returne to our principal matter boldly enter the Bishop of Romes quarters We purpose to lay open his marchandize vsurpations in matter of Indulgences where by he draweth the soules out of Purgatory And as these people haue at the confines of Purgatory placed a field all diapred with flowers as a dependance or withdrawing chamber thereof so shall the chapter ensuing be a dependance of the question of Purgatory For this fiery prison was purposedly built that the Pope might bee the Iaylor thereof and from thence fetch foorth the soules by the hookes of his buls Indulgences which be of more charge to the living then profit to the dead Purgatory is the matter wherof and Indulgences the cause for which we do dispute CAP. 5. Against Indulgences and the fetching of soules out of Purgatory THE Pope at the petitiō of the kindred and friends of the deceased if they be of ability and calling doth many times grant Indulgences wherewith to fetch the soule of the deceased out of Purgatory yea which is more he cōferreth such grace to certaine aulters that whosoever shall procure a stinted number of Masses to bee said thereon he shall fetch one soul out of Purgatory himselfe hath also some times granted to such as beene crossed to the holy lād priviledge to fetch one or more soules out of Purgatory at their choice A grace and favor which is also conferred to the fraternity of the Corde Cardinall Caietan in the beginning of the booke of Indulgences acknowledgeth that in all antiquity there was nothing to be found concerning Indulgēces Durand Antoninus and Roffensis do say that Indulgences were not knowne in the daies of S. Ierome and S. Augustin or during the first fiue hundred years Bell. de Indul l. 2. c. 17 Biel. in Can. Missae lect 57. tit 1.7 as Bellarmine also confesseth Gabriell Byel vpon the Canon of the Masse saith as much making a question wherefore now a daies they should be so frequent he answereth himselfe with the words of Iesus Christ It is not for you to knowe the times and seasons which the Lorde hath put in his owne power With this bridle he restraineth our curiosity Besides my adversaries who will vse the fathers in despight of their hearts haue not yet produced the example of any one fetched out of Purgatory vnder the primitiue Church As for that which the fire of Helie telleth of Silvester and Gregory is false and hath not the testimony of any ancient autor Now to furnish so notable a liberality the Pope hath laide a bottomelesse foundation which he nameth The treasury of the Church and it is composed of the superabundance of the merits suffrings both of Iesus Christ and of his Saints This he distributeth among the souls of the dead to helpe them out of Purgatory it is manifestly laid down in the Extravagants of Clement the sixt which beginneth Vnigenitus Ad cuius the sauri cumulīe Beatae Dei Genetricis omnia electorum merita adminiculū prestare noscuntur Wherein it is said that the merits of the mother of God and of all the elect do helpe the merit of Iesus Christ and serue to make vp the heape of this treasure To enter therefore into the examination of this new Gospell 1. We aske who gaue the Pope power to fetch soules out of Purgatory 2. Let them produce either commandement or example of any Indulgences given to the deade by the Apostles or by their first successours 3. If it bee a new benevolence how commeth it that God is now become more liberall then heretofore 4. If al the power that the Pope assumeth to himselfe were first promised in these words I will giue thee the kayes c. when was it actually conferred It was say they when Iesus Christ said to Peter Feed my Lambs Admit it was spoken to the Pope and that S. Peter only had the charge of feeding our Lords Lambs must wee therefore reckon the dead among these Lambes Yea will some say because the Pope therevpon sheareth them be it so but is the pulling of thē out of the fire feeding 5. Moreover in that the Pope armeth his power with the words of Iesus Christ Whatsoever yee shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven Doth he not condemne him selfe in that he goeth beyond his commission for Christ saith All that thou shalt loose on earth hee saith not All that thou shalt loose vnder earth It must be saide that for the avoiding of this obiection Pope Gregorie after him our doctors haue placed Purgatory in bathes in ice in the winde 6. Out of this groweth an other absurdity and this it is The Pope looseth delivereth the souls out of prisō which neverthelesse he could not binde how commeth it that the Popes power is is halfe decayed toward these souls and that he reserved himselfe no more power but to loosen The answer is evident for by binding of soules and imposing punishment vpon them hee could get nothing for no man will giue mony to be tormented but to be released from torment he therefore reserved to himselfe so much as is profitable 7. Againe if he be able to draw out any soules out