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A10173	Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped.	Broughton, Richard, attributed name.	1615 (1615)	STC 20450; ESTC S112509	81,861	158

such are soe renowned Saints with God in heauen and that out of the true church there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life and there is but one true church Catholicks in conscience cannot forsake the Religion and communion of that sacred and sauing Roman church to communicate with protestants Againe I argue thus That church and Religion ● vnto which all former good Christians of this kingdome whether Brittanes Romanes Saxons Danes Noruegians or Normans kinges or subiects were vnited in Religion vntill the tyme of kinge Henry the eight is still in all prudent Iudgment to bee continued in and communicated withall But the Romane church and Religion is such Therfore not to bee forsaken The maior proposition is euidently true for of necessitie that Religion of Christ which is good and maketh the professors of it such is to bee embraced and followed and they which embrace and followe yt to bee imitated and communicated with and the contrary to bee auoyded and forsaken for as it is the nature of goodnes and good thinges to bee desired and embraced Soe of euill such things to bee left and refused The Minor proposition is manifest by too many protestants to bee recited in this place I will therefore onely alledge their cheifest latest and moste approued writers M. Speed taking vppon him the name of the Author of the late booke called the Theater of greate Britaine is soe partiall a reporter Theater of greate Brit. in all christian kings vntill Henry 8. of things for protestants by Instigation of their Bishops and Ministers that hee is taxed by all indifferent men that were either the Composers of yt or that haue perused it with equall Iudgment And yett hee is wittnes through the Regiments of all Christian kings of England from Lucius the first vnrill the desolution begen by K. Henry the eight that the popes supreamacies Holy sacrifices of Masse prayer to Saincts and for the deade reuerence of Holy relicks and Images pilgrimage purgatory and other catholicke doctrines now impugned by protestants were euer allowed and generally practiced in this kingdome by practice and deuoute profession whereof to omit subiects though of high renowne sonnes and daughters of kings them selues more kings and Queenes in England became religeous monkes and Nunnes and now by thes protestants are honored for glorious kinges Queenes and Saincts in heauen Then euer were protestant kinges and Queenes in all the world though neuer so● vnworthy the name of Theater of greate Brit. pag. 33. n. 8. pag. 49. n. 5. pag. 53. pag 159 p. 161. pag. 294. pag. 298. pag. 301. pag. 305. Theat supr pag. 344. pag. 47. pag. 302. pag. 306. pag. 308. pag. 310. pag. 311. pag. 338. pag. 361. pag. 364. pag. 366. Saincts or sanctitie Such were as thes protestants tell vs Kinge and Sainct Ethelbert kinge and Sainct Offa and Sainct Fremandus his sonne kinge and Sainct Cheldwald kinge and Saint Sebba and his sonne and heire kinge and Saint Sigh●rd kinge and Saint Ceolnulph kinge and Saint Egbert kinge and Saint Ethelred kinge and S. Errcombert kinge and S. Inas kinge and Saint Richarde kings and Saincts Edwards kinges and Sainct Epmunds and others women Queenes and Saincts Queene and Saint Outhburge Queene and Sainct Etheldred Queene and Saint Kineburge Queene and Saint Eadburge Queene and S. Eue Queene and S. Ethelburge Queene and S. Oswith kinge Sebba his wife not named by them Queene and Sainct kinswith Queene and Sainct Ermenh●ld Queene and S. Sexburge Queene and S. Ethelswith Queene S. Elfride Queene and S. Eanfled Queene and S. Edgine Queene and S. Edith Queene and S. Elfgine Queene and S. Emna Queene and Saint Eleanor with others That thes holy kinges and Queenes now glorious Saincts in heauen such as a false Religion could not make them were of that holy catholicke and Romane Religion which wee now professe and for profession Theater in those kinges and Queenes c. Bale l. de scrip Britan. in Augustino Parker in antiq Britan in Cranmer will in Synops Antylog c. Theater pa. 203. cap 9. Suteliff ag Kell pa. 105 Theater sup pag. 222. kinge Edw. lavves fol. 231. pag. 1. thereof vndergoe soe many miseries not only this their Theater but their pretended Bishop Bale before their soe named Archbishop Parker Doctor Willet and others testifie neither was there from the begynning by their writings any Religion or iurisdiction lawfully practised in this kingdome but from S. Peter the Apostle and the Popes of Rome of S. Peter thus they write That hee here founded churches D. Sutcliffs argument of Supreamacie and ordayned preists and deacons is reported by Simon Metaphra●●es out of the greeke antiquities not likely to corrupt for the Romane church Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Century whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes tyme They vrge for Pope and S. Eleuthertus epistle to kinge Lucius the lawes of S. Edward published by their protestant frend M. Lambert of Kent out of their Bishop Parkers library And by them and those their published lawes is euident that the Brittanes did not onely receaue all spirituall Iurisdiction Religion Bishops and preists from that holy Pope but temporall benefites more then protestants are gratefull for or I meane to vrge or stand vppon The wordes of those their cited lawes in the very page before are thes concerning King Edwards lavve● fol. 130 pa. 2. the Crowne of England The whole land all the Ilands to Norway and Denmarke belonge to the Crowne of his kingdome and are of the appendancies and dignities of the kinge and it is one Monarchie and o●e kingdome and was sometime called the kingdome of Britanye and now called the kingdome of Englishmen For Lord Eleutherius Pope whoe first sent an hallowed Crowne to Britanny and Christianitie by Gods inspiration to Lucius kinge of the Britannes appointed and allowed to the Crowne of the kingdome such metes and bowndes as are said before Of our Conuersion and Religion by S. Augustine and after they haue spoken sufficiently before I will add but one testimonie of their primatiue kinge and Saint Ina● their words bee thus Kinge Ina builded the renowned abbey of Theater pa. 298. 299. n. 11. Glastembury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old Cell of Ioseph of Aremathia Which this kinge Ina after a moste sumptuous maner new built The Chappell whereof he garnished with gold syluer and gaue riech ornaments therto as altare Chalice Censor candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the altare of an incredible value For the golde there vppon besiowed amounted to three hundred three pownde whaight and the syluer to twoe thowsand eight hundred thirtie fiue pownde besides prctious gemmes embrouched in the celebrating vesteres hee instituted a yearely payment to the See of Rome a penny for an howse on lammas day called Peter pence After hee had raigned in

greate prosperi●y seuen and thirtie yeares and odd monethe● professing voluntary pouertie Went to Rome where in the habit of a Religeous man hee ended his life in poore estate And Ethelburga his wife became a vayled Nunne was made Abb●sse of Barkinge neare london wherein shee ended her life The Brethren of Ina● were kenten whose sonne was Aldome Abbat of Malmesbury and Bishop of Sherborne And if wee desire Example from the the Norman Race Kinge William the first by by some syrnamed Conqueror may bee added both to encouradge vs to continue in the Religion of the church of Rome and to bee fearefull either to persecute or forsake yt of him his affaires this Theater entreateth thus His holy father Pope Alexander tke seconde sett in a Theater sup pag 418. n. 19. foote sending twoe Cardinalls and a Bishop from the See Apostolick in a Councell degraded stigand Archbishop of Canterbury EgelWine Bishop of the easte Angles besides diuers other Bishops and Abbots of the english nation depriued for noo euident cause but onely to giue place to the Normans in fauour of the kinge Kinge William gaue his oathe vppon the holy Euangelists and the relicks pag. 421. of S. Alban● the Martyr Pope Gregoire sendeth hither his bulls against the mari●d cleargie Pope Gregorie in all generall Synode excluded the maryed preists from execution of their holy offices and pag. 422. forbad they lay men to hear● their Masses our Lords body and the blood of our Lord consecrated by preists To shewe how iustly and seuerely God punished the hinderance of Masse● and profession of that Religion speaking of the destroying of Religeous howses and churches hee writeth thus Kinge William pulleth downe pag. 421. 36. mother churches from mans vse and Gods seruice in Hamt●hire novv new forest Richard hi● second sonne there dyed goared vvith a deare or blasted vvith a pestilent ayre and Rusus his other 〈◊〉 46. sonne mistaken for a deare shott through vvith an Arrovve by vvalter Tyr●ll Henry likevvise his grandchilde by Robert Curtoise persuing the chase vvas struken vvith a bough in the Iavves and as Absalon le●t hanging vntill hee died t●es punishments vvith a straunge earth quake and other straunge hinges ascribed for taking away vse of Gods seruice And speaking of his greate repentance and vertuous end hee writeth thus Hee pag. 425. n. 65. 66. 64. builded many religeous howses moste certayne it is that in the verie same place Where kinge Harolds standard was pitched and vnder which himselfe was slayne there William the Conqueror laid that foundation Battle Abb●y d●dicating yt to the Holy Trinitie and to S. Martine that there the monkes might pray for the soules of Harold and pag. 423. the rest that were slayne in that place hee repenteth him of his crueltie in England doth not a●count yt his owne but Gods Hee giueth his Crowne and ornaments therto belonging to the monkes pag. 422. 423. of Saint Stephen in Cane Hee giueth to his sonne Henry Beaucler●ke onely 5000. prounde without any contry proph●syinge how hee should bee heire to all Th● dying kinge for kinge must dye hauinge pag. 424. nu 56. pag. 223. raised vp his weake body vppon the pillo●es hard the sounde of the greate Bell in the metropolitane church of Saint G●●uis neare Roan demaundinge the cause one replyed that it did then ring● prim● to our ladi● ●herevpon with greate deuotion lifting his eyes towards heauen spreadinge abroade his handes I commend myselfe saith hee to that blessed ladie Mary Mother of God that shee by her holy prayers may reconcile mee to her most deare owne our Lord Iesus Christ and with thes wordes yeelded vp the Ghost Their protestant Archbisop Parker is lately with applaose new printed and speaking of the Romane Religion and authoritie abrogated by the new lawes of kinge Henry the 8. writeth thus Parker Antiq. Britan p 329. His legibus by thes lawes the power of the Pope that had continued in England aboue 900. yeares hee meaneth from the tyme of our Conuersion by S. Augustine sent hether by Pope and Saint Gregory was ouerthrown● And M. Mason Masō booke of Consecr in M. Park with his directing protestant Bishops assure vs that this Matthew Parker was allowed for Archbishop of Canterbury by other order then any his predecessors in the See of Canterbury Therefore wee may not forsake the Religion of Rome soe embraced and honored by all Christian kinges princes Bishops and true beleeuing subiects vntill this time of protestants by their owne testimonies Againe I argue in this maner Noe Religion that is soe farr from truthe and to bee iustifiable for good and holy that the cheifest professors and doctors thereof acknowledge generally that it is false erroneous or fallible may bee communicated withall But the English parlament protestant Religion is such Therefore not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for as thes protestants haue taught vs before noe communion is to bee had in spirituall things with men of a false and deceatefull Religion for such by noe possibilitie can bee the infallible and most vndoubted word reuelation of God which by noe power can either bee false or doubtfull But the phantasticall deuise Imagination and humane hereticall Inuention of seducers The minor proposition is soe generally graunted by the protestants of England That D. Morton Morton Apolog part 2. pag. 315. with publicke pri●iledge absolutely for them all writeth thus Thesis generalis nullus est omnino in ecclesia cuius Iudicium est infallibilis authoritatis Yt is a generall maxime And so to bee receaued of them all That there is non at all in the church whose iudgment is of vnfallible a●thoritie D. Willet giueth this testimonie In England will Antilog praef angl pa. 71. 120. 150 43. Praefat. to the Reader supr the temporall prince is Gouernor Ruler cheefe Ouerseer and Steward of the church to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth Yet thee addeth thus neither hee nor any in their church haue any priuiledge from error And this is soe manifest by the often chaungings and choppings of their Religion by kinge Henry 8. kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth that to goe noe further their errors and contradictions defended and published by their owne statutes are shamefull to bee recited and soe euidently knowne that their protestant Bishop of Peterborough Doue persuasion with others doe freely acknowledge yt that all protestant princes with their church had erred and seduced others Or yf against all hope or possibilitie in S. Edwyne sands opinion wee Relation of Religion might expect a generall councell by their doctrine which not onely hee but all protestants confining spirituall iurisdiction to call councells onely to the temporall and ciuill authoritie of particul●r princes and contryes wherein they rule and noe farther much lesse ouer all nations Christian as the Pope claymeth yett to

on earth as before by their owne Iudgments against them And his maiestie by himselfe besides that alleadged alloweth the Pope to bee cheefe Bishop and prince of K. admonit pag. 45. 46. Casaub respons ad epi. Card. Perron pa. 69. 70. Bishops as S. Peter vvas prince of Apostles And by Casaubon that all patriarchall apostoli●ke and commaundinge Sees in the world now doe ioyne with him against protestants in question now in controuersie The 2. Protestant Demonstration why Catholicks may not communicate with them in Religeous thinges is by their owne doctrine in respect of their soe named ministers vnlawfull false and intruded and not to bee communicated with by their owne writings BVT to proceede and still in matters essentiall because in such things they will bee esteemed to bee at vnitie and agreement I will vse their owne definition of the true church subscribed vnto by them all that are admitted for ministers in their english protestant Religion Articl of Religion art 19. Thus it is The visible church of Christ is a congregation of faithfull men in the vvhich the pure vvord of God is preached and the sacraments bee duely ministred Soe that three things by this their highest decree are essentiall in Religion Feild lib. 2. pa D. Feild calleth them proper essentiall and inseperable True Pastors or ministers The puer vvord preached and sacraments duely ministred If I should onely proue that but one of thes three bee defectiue in their church or not to bee communicated with I haue rendered sufficient reason of refusall to communicate with english protestants in their Religion for in true definitions nothinge must bee wanting or superfluous for the maxime is generall That the definition and thinge defined must bee conuertible But for securitie I will make demonstration by thes protestants themselues that all thes protestants themselues that all thus their proper essentiall and inseperable th●ngs are both seperable seperated and wantinde with them And first concerning their Ministery because it is lately confuted condemned at large by their owne writings I will bee breife and I argue in this maner Noe pretended ministers of England that bee made either by imagined power and authoritie from a woman not capable to make ministers or by power authoritie or iurisdiction from the Pope See or church of Rome may bee communicated with by their owne writings and proceedings But all in England supposed for ministers bee in this case by their owne confession Therefore by their owne confession and testimonies not to bee communicated withall in spirituall things I will first proue the second proposition and it is demonstratiuely proued by their generall consent for though they differ by which of those meanes they were made the puritanes iustifying that they haue noe better ordination then Queene Elizabeth a woman could giue them which the teache is non at all the parlame●tarie protestants now defending contending to deduce and proue their supposed ministery by the Romane authoritie and iurisdiction yett in this they allagree that their pretended ordination is either from Queene Elizabeth or from the church and Pope of Rome neither possibly can yt bee otherwise for the Catholicke Bishops after the death of Queene Mary beinge depriued by Queene Elizabeth in the first yeare of her raigne as all our protestant historians Foxe Stowe Hollinshed Fox● t● 2. monum stowe hist an 1. El. Hollinsh ib. Park antiq Brit. in fin● Mason l. 1. 2. 3. 4. Consecret Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Parker Speed Mason and others testifie as alsoe all iurisdiction and power spirituall vnder treasonable offence and penaltie by the highest parlament lawe inuested in Queene Elizabeth they must needs clayme their making from that which then was reiected or from that of Q. Elizabeth then receaued and established for there is as they acknowledge noe other to bee imagined Now to come to the maior proposition and first to that protestant opinion which teacheth their pretended ordination to bee onely by Queene Elizabeth I argue thus Noe communion and vnion spirituall is to bee had with men pretending to bee true ministers but by their owne doctrine and doctors are not such but vsurpers intruders bastardly false and illegittimate But the english pretended ministery is such Therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines The maior proposition is euidently true for vsurped false illegittimate and cannot possibly bee iust right true and lawfull things The minor proposition is alsoe euidently true in their writings assuring not onely that they were made by Queene Elizabeth but that for that reason they are noe true ministers because shee a woman by sexe vncapable of such function could not giue yt vnto others Their reason is à priore and demonstratiue and the same which the Iacob Reas prot Assert Lord Cooke present Lord cheife iustice alloweth for such and is this nemo potest plus iuris in alium transferre quàm ipse habet noe man can transferr or giue more right vnto an other then hoe himselfe hath And herevppon they conclude against this pretended english Ministery in this maner one of them hath these wordes The protestant Bishops are noe approued members of the visible Suruey pa. 5 Iacob reas pag. 9. church of Christ. M. Iacob writeth thus English protestant Bishops are plainely contrary to Gods worde and vtterly vnlawfull A diocesan Bishop is neither a pastor nor one of the people in any proper visible church vvith v● M. O●merod relateth their Censure in this order The english protestants Ormer pict pu●it f. 2 g. 4. Dial. 1. haue neither a right ministery of God nor a rig●t gouernment of the church english ministers are noe ministers The english minist●ry is vnlavvfull There is noe right ministery in England Rogers in Arti● 36. p. 200. 201. noe pastors noe Bishops M. Rogers writeth thus They vvrite that the Bishops of our church haue noe ordinary calling of God and function in the scriptures for to exercise th●y are not sent of God inferior Ministers they are not according to Gods vvorde either proued elected or ordeyned Like is the Testimony of M. Mason M. Owen and others too many to bee reci●ed Mason pa. 7. 8. Owen pil her Therefore by their iudgmēt wee may not communicate with thē in spirituall things neither can this their pretend●d ordinatiō bee lawfull Neither can it bee auailable for the present Frauncis Mas in praf l. 1. 2. c. Feild l. of the chur Sut●liff ag Kell pag. 5. Butler in epist written for the mini●●ery protestant soe named Archbishop of Canterbury director to M. Mason now M. Mason D. ●eild D. Sutcliffe D. Butler or any other amonge them now to say they haue receaued true and lawfall ordination from the Pope and church of Rome as they now say and by all meanes contend to proue for to bee made preists or Bishops by the Pope and his proceedings i● a thinge essentially different from hauinge

soe by breakinge any of them Scisme is contracted if I shall but onely proue they haue broken this vnitie in one they are proued Scismaticks by their owne proceedings But to proue them to bee in the highest degree of Scisme I will make demonstration that they are guiltie in breakinge all these vnities And first concerninge their first vnitie of subiection to lawfull Pastors I argue thus At the begynning of protestancie either the pastors of the Romane church namely the Pope when they reuolted from him were true pastors or not if they were not then their pretended ordination and Episcopalitie from thence is voyde if they were their true pastors then they are Scismaticks for their reuolt and disobedience vnto him Secondly I proue yt thus euery church not clayminge to bee supreame the superior mother or commaunding church and yett submitting yt selfe and obedient vnto none is scismaticall for not to obey a lawfull superior Pastor is scisme and their Bishop Barlowe hath told vs before that maioritie of Bishops is Barl. serm Sept. 21. 1606. an apostolicall tradition in all the vvorlde enacted for succedinge posteritie a canon or constitution of the vvhole Trinitie Therefore the english protestant church neuer clayminge this maioritie aboue others and yett obstinately repugnant and disobedient to that which euer had this Maioritie which as is proued by them before is the Romane church must needs bee scismaticall Thirdly D. Feild and these his protestants Feild l. 4. ●● 5 p 202. haue assured vs That amonge those different degrees of obedience which wee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God wee must more especially respest the church of Rome then Catholicke Doctors the authoritie of catholicke Bishops or other churches though apo●●olicke Therefore the english protestants soe willfully and maliciously disobedient and contumelious vnto yt are Scismaticks by their owne iudgment Secondly concerning his second vnitie whose breach maketh Scisme and is as hee saith The connexion and Communion vvhich many particular Feild l. 3. pag 70. sup churches and pastors of t●●m haue among● themselues The english protestants haue not communion or connexion with any either true or pretended churche in the worlde in their cheefest poynts of connexion communion or coordination as namely in their pretended Bishops and the manner of making them in Rulinge their congregation in the temporall princes supreamacie c. Therefore by breach of this vnitie alsoe they are Scismaticks by their owne Rule For Confirmation whereof D. Couell setteth downe the doctrine of other protestant churches in these words there is no● Couell def of Hook pa. 33. church where the gouernment by elders or presbytery wanteth this being as essentiall as either the Worde or sacraments And the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey writeth thus The Suru of comm B. pag. 24. english churches differ from all other reformed churches That they differ from the Romane and all other churches they willingly acknowledge therefore they are Scismaticks by their owne Censure For here wee see that there is noe true and reall connexion and communion of the english protestant congregation or pretended Pastors Bishops or ministerie with any either true or pretended church catholicke or protestant reformed or not reformed pastors presbyterie or whatsoeuer they will terme them in all the world And by this alsoe it is euident that they are Scismaticks by breakinge the third protestant vnitie In holdinge the same Rule of faith for these english protestants agreing with noe other church true or false in the Rule of faith as before must needs be Scismaticks alsoe by this title And soe moste notorious in this offence of scisme hauinge obstinately dissolued all christian vnities by their owne confession Further I argue thus whosoeuer by mayntayninge their sect or faction in Religion are forced to such absurdities that by the testimonies of their owne Brethren in Religion they make themselues and all of their doctrine to bee Scismaticks are to bee esteemed such But the english protestants are in this case therefore Scismaticks by their owne sentence The maior proposition is euident And the minor alsoe proued by them before and now breefely in this maner The protestant authors of the offer of Conference supposing that the english parlament protestants will defend their proceedings as they doe write in these words They cannot see how possibly by the Rules of diuinitie Offer of Conference pag. 11. t●e seperation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified Then by their owne Rules before they are scismaticks which the same protestants protest expressely in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the c●urch of Rome and in them God and Christ sup pag. 16. Iesus himsel●e haue had greate wronge and indignitie offered vnto them and that all the protestant churches are scismatic●ll in ●orsakinge vnitie and communion with them Which is further confirmed by an other of their reformed brethren though writinge somewhat later then my sixe yeares limitation whoe speaketh in this order As wee haue saide vnto you called Brounists soe Declaratiō of the misterie of iniquitie An. 1612. pag. 156. wee say to England and to the presbytery holdinge of the Pope and that profession as you do● Then haue you of England and all the nations of the earthe synned gr●ately to seperate from Rome in that you were all of one bodie and members one of an other and being bele●uers in Christ Iesus they are your brethren and ought not to seperate from Rome as you haue done If you of England and the presbyterie and you called Brouni●●s did make any conscience to walke by the Rules of Christs ●erein you ●ould not wal●e towards Rome as you doe Againe I argue in this maner whosoeuer are ●ither by themselues or others that bee in their opinion learned and consenting with them in all essentiall and materiall points condemned and censured to bee Scismaticks are to bee adiudged and auoyded as such in spirituall communications But these english protestants both parlamentaries and puritanes are in this state Therefore to bee as such adiudged and forsaken in Religeous communications The maior is euidently true because to bee in Scisme which excludeth forth of the true church out of which by these protestants before there is noe hope of saluation is a point both materiall and essentiall in Religion The minor proposition is proued by these protestants and puritanes mutually condemning themselues their essentially agreing brethren to bee scismaticks First their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft then of London in their publick Conference before the kinge calleth them scismaticks yt is thus recorded for action by their Bishop Barlowe in these wordes Cōferēce at Hampton Court p. 26. The Bishop of London kneelinge downe moste humbly desired his maiestie that the auntient Canon might bee remembred which saith that

and supreame commaunding authoritie ouer all other churches parsons and as due and respectiue obedience as now yt doth as these protestants them selues are wittnesses against them selues and by such pretended excuse of reuolt and contempt of superioritie and gouernment and for the inferior subiect guiltie or accused to vsurpe power ouer the Superior and lawfull Iudge all heresies scismes treasons rebellious and disobediences may bee mayntayned and all Regiment and Rulers both spirituall and temporall bee reiected and ouerthrowne And is the like or worse in effect then that which his maiestie speaketh of the presbyte●iall discipline in these wordes lacke and ●om and Will and Di●k vvill censure the kinge and his Conferen●● a●●ampt pag. 79. couns●ll and all their proceedings at their pleasure And from hence alsoe both the second and third propositions are directly proued For by this the second proposition That Catholicks in forsaking communion vvith the church of Rome to communicate vvith english protestants should forsa●● a church by the doctrine of diuers and credible ●uthorities assisted by God from error is euideytlie true for not onelie the present doctors of the present Romane church soe teach but it was soe taught as this protestants assure vs by the learned and holy fathers and popes of that sacred church when by their graunt it vvas in her florishinge and best estate and a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies To which I add the testimonie of D. Downame telling vs that in those times Down l. 2. Antichr pag. 107. Orm●r hereticks though Bishops recanting did svveare to meyntayne th●t faith which the Bishop church of Rome professed M. Ormerod saith S. Leo that glorious Saint doctor did teache that God did assist direct that sea in decrees And to maintaine yt by protestāts that this was the cōmon and receaued doctrine of that vnsported time whereas they now tell vs a generall councell is highest iudge D. Powell writeth thus Powell l. 1. Antichrist p. 230. 231. Calixtus Pope in that best time defined that all Bishops though gathered in a generall Councell shall fullfill the will of the church of Rome they which doe not this are pronoūced of Pope Pelagius to keepe a false Conciliable and not a Councell Pope Damasus vvrote that it is not lavvfull for the Bishops to doe any thinge against the decrees of the Bishops of Rome Where vppon according to this generall and primatiue doctrine by protestants relation their Bishop of Bils true differ pag. 66. 67. Winchester hath written in this maner The Canon of the primatiue churche made euery thinge voide that vvas done vvithout the Bishop of Rome The canon of the primatiue church forbad any Councell to bee called vvithout his consent Therefore D. Feild directeth vs what to doe in Feild pag. 20● this case in these wordes Wee must obey vvithout scrupulous questioninge vvith all modestie of mynde and reuerence of bodie vvith all good ●llovvance and acceptation and repose in the vvorde of them that teache vs vnles they teache vs any t●ings vv●ich the authoritie of the higher Su●erior controlleth Therefore because thus protestants haue soe confidently assured vs that the Pope and church of Rome is our highest Iudge in authoritie and superioritie in this busines wee must still vvithout scrupulous question vvith all modest●ie reuerence good allovvonce acceptation and repose obey them still communica●e with them And forsake all spirituall communion withall protestants and others departed and sepa●ated from them And from hence alsoe the third proposition that to adh●re to the church of Rome in time of controuersie vvas and is a token or signe of a true catholick is euidently proued An D. Downame graunteth yt to haue beene the opinion of the primatiue fathers S. Augustine and victor vticensis in Afrike vvere of opinion that Down l. 1. Antichrist pag. 106. 105. to adhere to the church of Rome vvas a marke of a true Catholick in those times And that it must soe continue for euer is proued by thes protestants before To which I add this protestant Demonstration followinge Euery forsakinge of Communion and communicating which by protestants Iudgment doth or would make men guiltie of all kinde of spirituall disobedience is to bee auoid●d But for Catholicks to forsake communion with the church of Rome and communicate with protestants by their owne doctrine is such therefore to bee auoided The maior proposition is euidently true for seing to bee disobedient in any one spirituall dutie is wicked and abominable much more damnable must it needs bee to bee guiltie of all such synnes The minor proposition is proued by D. Feild and the publick protestant authoritie that gaue priuiledge to his writinge for entreatinge of the diuers and distinct kindes of spirituall F●ild pag. 202. l. 4. cap. 5. obedience hee writeth thus Hither wee may referr those different degrees of obedience which vvee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God excellently Waldens doctr fidei l. 2. art 2 3 pag. 27. described by waldensis wee must saith hee reuerence and respect the authoritie of all catholick Doctors whose doctrine and writings t●e church allovveth Wee must more regarde the authoritie of catholick Bishops more then thus the authoritie of the Apostolick churches amongst them more especially the church of Rome of a generall councell more then all thes By which doctrine of english protestants it is euident that all men communicating with them in Religion are culpable in all kinde of spirituall disobedience and if the degrees of obedience to commaunders in the church of God bee as thes men assure vs excellently described by Doctors and catholick Bishops vnder the Pope and the Pope is cheefest in thes degrees and as before is proued by them noe councell can bee either generall or allowable without his allowance and approbation by forsakinge communion with the Pope and beinge disobedient vnto him wee should bee guiltie of a spirituall disobedience Therefore when wee are assured by thes men them selues that now wee lyue in all true spirituall obedience and contrary to their commaunding and supreame byndinge instruction noe autho●itie on earthe is to bee obeyed in such things but rather to bee obedient and subiect it selfe to them the pretended instruction of protestants to vnlearned catholicks is not to bee termed instruction but destruction and their pesecution against vs for this our soe religious iust deniall to communicate with them in Religion shall bee censured by his maiestie and their Bishopp of Durham and not by mee his maiesties wordes in publick parlament in this question are thus You my Lord of Durham said very learnedly in Serm. An. 1603. 19. of March before the K. Kings speac in parlam 1. Iacob your sermon to day that correction vvithout instruction is but tyrannye And how can England euer an inferior subordinate and dependinge church take vppon yt power to instruct the highest spirituall authoritie