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A19668	Fryer Iohn Frauncis of Nigeon in Fraunce A replication to that lewde aunswere, which Fryer Iohn Frauncis (of the Minimes order in Nigeon nigh vnto Paris in Fraunce) hath made to a letter, that his mother caused to be written, and sent to him out of England, in August. 1585. Wherevnto is annexed an aunswere, to that which the same fryer hath written to his father and mother: in defence, and to the prayse of that religion, which he dooth nowe professe: and to the disprayse and defacing of that religion, which is nowe professed in Englande. Whereof the fryer himselfe was a scholler and professor, vntill the yeere 1583. which was the 18. yeere of hys age. VVritten by Robert Crowley. Anno. 1586.	Crowley, Robert, 1518?-1588.; Debnam, Samuel.	1586 (1586)	STC 6091; ESTC S109119	122,478	144

Fryer Iohn Frauncis of Nigeon in Fraunce A Replication to that lewde aunswere which Fryer Iohn Frauncis of the Minimes Order in Nigeon nigh vnto Paris in Fraunce hath made to a Letter that his Mother caused to be written and sent to him out of England in August 1585. Wherevnto is annexed an aunswere to that which the same Fryer hath written to his father and mother in defence and to the prayse of that Religion which he dooth nowe professe and to the disprayse and defacing of that Religion which is nowe professed in Englande Whereof the Fryer himselfe was a Scholler and professor vntill the yeere 1583. which was the 18. yeere of hys age ⸪ VVritten by Robert Crowley Anno. 1586. AT LONDON Printed by John Charlewoode dwelling in Barbican at the signe of the halfe Eagle and the Key To all such Gentlemen as beeing English borne haue Romysh hartes and doo fauoure the Romish Catholicke Religion and especially such amongst them as doo inhabite in the Counties of Sussex and Hampshyre and about London WYshing well to the Common weale of my nature Country and to the Churche of Christ in this our English nation I haue in my younger daies taken some paynes haue béene at some charges and yet am in the education of some such young Schollers as haue séemed to bée likely to prooue profitable members in this Church or Common weale of Englande Amongst whome one Samuell Debnam was one Hys Father and Mother are yet lyuing and doo by theyr honest labor sustayne theyr owne bodies and according to theyr hability they doo help to reléeue the impotent and néedy This Samuell was theyr eldest and first borne Sonne and their hope was that he should haue béene the staffe of their age And because the mother was my seruaunt in the time of her virginity my wyfe became Godmother to that young babe and as the custome of the Church is vndertooke for him at the Fountaine of Regeneration which mooued both her and mée to haue together with his naturall Parents an especiall care for his good education Hee prospered in learning and was like in time to haue prooued a profitable member of the Englishe Common weale Yea some gifts that he had receiued from God séemed to be somewhat rare in one of hys yéeres and that did pus●e him vp and make him proude I did then beginne to feare that which is nowe come to passe For as Syrach hath written Chap. 10 Initium superbiae hominis apostatare a Deo quoniam ab eo qui fecit illum recessit cor eius The beginning of mans pride is to fall away from GOD for his hart is departed from him that hath made him This pryde was it that caused him to harken to such amongst you as first enticed him to forsake his Parents and other fréendes in so vndutiful manner as he did on Monday which was the eyght day of Apryll 1583. In aunswering Letters that his Mother caused to bee written to him the 28. day of August 1585. Hée wryteth that he was lodged not farre from London the same night that he stept away from hys Father and her and shortly after hée was as he sayth conueyghed by night a myle of from London where hée stayed thrée weekes And on May day in the Morning carely hée was sette on horsebacke and conueighed into Suffer and so into Hampshyre where he had maintenaunce tyll the Euen of S. James the Apostle c. At his departing from London good Gentlemen as he termeth them gaue him money to the value of forty or fyftie shillinges to bring him ouer the Seas By these thinges it appeareth manifestly howe vnfréendly you popysh Gentlemen are to the Crowne and Common weale of Englande Can you worke any greater displeasure to the Crowne Common weale of England then to robbe them both of the younge frye that is likely to bée the continuance of this and the beginning of the next generation This youth béeing about the age of eightéene yéeres was meete to bée imployed to that kinde of life wherin he might haue béene moste like to doo best seruice to God his Prince and his natiue Countrey But sée what you haue doone you haue caused him to be reconciled to the Romish Catholicke Churche which is to bée a sworne enemy to the Crowne and Common weale of thys his and your natiue Country You haue robbed our Prince of her Subiect and seruice that she might and ought to haue had of him as of one borne with in her dominions You haue robbed a poore father and mother of theyr sonne and onely childe the staffe of theyr age theyr greatest treasure in this world theyr onely hope of posterity and of that gyft of God which by natural Order hath béene most pleasaunt and delectable to them and should haue béene most profitable you haue robbed mée and the rest that haue taken paynes and haue bestowed of our goods vpon him in the nourishing and bringing of him vp to that estate wherein you found him and in making him able to doo some seruice in the Common weale of our Country you haue I say robbed vs of all this of that hope which wée had to sée him a profitable member of the Church of Christ in England you haue robbed hym of that benefit which a naturall English man may and ought to enioye within the English dominions yea as much as in you may bée you haue robbed him of that inheritaunce which Christ Jesus hath bought for him for you haue perswaded him that not Christ Jesus but the Romish Antichrist is the way that leadeth into that inheritance you haue taught him to leaue the study of the scriptures and not to looke vppon or to giue credite vnto those wrytinges that men of sounde iudgement haue left behinde them concerning the true interpretation of the scriptures but to beléeue all that the Romysh Catholicke Church beléeueth holdeth and teacheth although he doo neither knowe what the beléefe of that Church is neither howe it may bée warrented or defended by the scriptures when it is knowne yea although it doo surpasse and excell mans vnderstanding yet it muste be beléeued onely because the Romysh Catholicke Church dooth beléeue it S●ynt Peter was of an other minde when he wrote thus Dominum Christū sanctificate in cordibus vestris parati semper ad satisfactionem omni poscenti vos rationem de ea quae in vobis est spe Sanctisy the Lord Christ in your harts béeing alwayes prepared to satisfy euery one that shall aske you a reason of that hope that is in you 1. Pet. 3. Our sauiour Christ sayde Scrutamini Scripturas Search the scriptures Iohn 5. yea and talking with two of his Disciples in the way toward Emaus He prooued the necessity of his death and resurrection by the scriptures Luk. 24. The Jewes which dwelt in B●rrhaea searched the scriptures dayly to sée if that were true that the Apostles preached Acts. 17. But you haue taught this

but in your hart and minde also To followe their precepts and examples of life patientlie to take correction at their handes and to make continuall and hartie praiers to God for them To relieue and nourish them in case they should fal into pouerty or decay And in all points by shewing your selfe an obedient and good child to mooue them to be louing and good to you All this you confessed in my Church before many witnesses which shall in the day of iudgment be a testimonie against you to condemne you of wilfull Apostacie and a witnes to discharge your father and mother and all others that haue had the education of you of all maner negligence in enstructing you in the knowledge of your duety both towards God and towards man So that if you perish your blood shalbe vpon your owne head alone You procéede in your answere and thus you say The Fryar You write furthermore vnto me that you haue made great enquirie after me I know it well I was in feare great enough by reason of that enquirie as long as I was in Englande although that God be thanked I haue though hardly escaped your handes Crowley In these wordes you make knowne to as many as shall reade this your answer both the dutiful care that your good parents had to preserue you their wicked sonne from destruction bothe of body and soule and also your owne wilfull determination to caste your selfe headlong into that Gulfe of perdition that you are nowe fallen into Yea and that you are of that number that Esay y e Prophet bewayleth when he writeth thus in the 5. chap V aequidicitis malum bonum bonum malum ponentes tenebras lucem lucem tenebras ponentes amarum in dulce dulce in amarum Alas for them that call euill good and good euill Affirming darknes to be light and light to be darknesse turning sower into swéete and swéete into sower The bright shining light of the knowledge of y e truth which dooth nowe shine in England you call the darknes of ignorance and errour and the hellike darknes of Poperie wherein you doo nowe wander groping after the way of Saluation you call light shewing your selfe to be one of them that are noted by our English Prouerbe They that be in hell doo perswade themselues that there is none other heauen Moreouer you say thus The Fryar You heard that I was at Rhemes it is verie certaine I was there the reason also wherefore I writt not vnto you was partly the scarsitie of messengers and partlie other thinges which here I can not well rehearse Againe I could not write vnto you conueniently because I doubted whether you were aliue or dead Crovvley The report of your béeing at Rhemes you say was true which argueth y t it was rather y e lacke of good wyl in you to comfort your sorrowfull parents by your duetifull Letters then the lacke of messengers that stayed your penne What the other lets were which héere you can not well rehearse I hope you will tell vs at some other time more conuenient and when it shall not bee so daungerous for you as nowe it is And béeing by these Letters that you confesse you haue receiued certifyed that your Parents are lyuing that doubt that you spake of can no longer bee any let at all Procéeding in your answere you say thus The Fryar You write againe vnto mee that all my freendes are in good health to tell you the troth I knowe not any one freende amongst you Crovvley Bona verba queso Good sir be good to Watkin What not any one fréende amongst vs all There are many yet liuing y t haue béene your fréends I am sure of it As your father your mother my selfe my wife your Godmother Master Moncaster sometime your Schoolemaster Master Fielde Master Doctor Fulke master Paule Swallow and many moe that were your Mecaenates in Cambridge and howe happeneth it that all these be nowe blotted out of your Cataloge of fréends By all likelihoode all the benefites y t haue béene bestowed vpon you haue béene written in duste and not in Marble Your Grandmother that being your mothers mydwyfe lapped you in the first swadling clow●s that euer you bepyssed and did vnto you all the offyce of a mydwyfe was she not your fréende your mother that yet liueth and during the time of your infancie gaue you sucke of her owne breste and fedde you with foode meete for you when sometimes she spared it out of her owne bodie was she not then your fréende when she continued your Nursse and did vnto you all that is to be doone by a Nursse and when by your wraling and crying you had gotten a Rupture in the nether part of your belly she sought and procured meanes to ease and remedy the same by trusses and otherwise was she not then your fréende I coulde put you in minde of much more fréendship shewed vnto you by vs a boue named and by many moe but all is buried in obliuion so déepe that it is not possible that the same canbe digged vp againe in such sort that you can be moued to acknowledge the same Your newe Fréendes are so setled in your conceyte that all the olde are blotted out of memorie for euer You regarde not the Counsell of Syrach who wryteth thus Cap. 9. Ne derelinquas amicum antiquum nouus ●nim non erit similis illi Forsake not an olde fréend for the newe wyll not be like him c. Well you procéede in your answere and thus you say The Fryar As for my brother Aaron I beseeche our Lord sauior Iesus Christ by the merits of his bitter death and passion to haue mercy vpon his soule as also vpon yours and to saue you all at the day of iudgement Crovvley I doo like well of this your charitable wishe and doo wishe the like saluation to you and to all the rest of your newe fréends But now you doo vse a spéech by the figure Apostrophe And thus you write in the margine of your Letters The Fryar Brother Aaron leaue the Religion wherein you were at my departure from you and if that you can by anie meanes come on this side the seas come to Paris in Fraunce and aske after the Minimes Fryers at Nigeon so shall you finde me If that you come to me leaue your naughty Religion care for no more And counsell also my father and mother to do as you do or as I hope wyll doo Crowley This gostlie counsel that you giue to your brother Aaron and doo wish that he should giue y e same to your father and mother will not I hope be followed in haste That Religion that you call naughtie and will your Brother Aaron to leaue shall I hope be prooued in this my discourse the right Religion of Christe and your Romaine Religion méere Antichristian Now to put your mother out of doubt that you are her sonne Sammuell in déede

Gentlemen you say you shoulde haue sayd villanous Traytors gaue you money to come ouer the Seas Other whether Gentlemen or Yeomen you say not sette you on horsebacke on May day earely in the morning and so like mē that bare more good wyll to Autichrist of Italie then to Christ and hys annointed Deputy in England conueighed you into Sussex and Hampshyre where men of like fidelity towards God our Prince and Countrey ministred vnto you all thinges necessary so that the young Romish traytor and fugitiue sonne that like a most rebellious Childe had robbed his father and mother of that helpe and cōfort that both by the Lawe of God and of nature all Parents should haue at the hands of their sonnes and daughters is amongst them so maintained that for the space almost of thrée monthes hee lacketh neither meate drinke nor money After all this a Gentleman a good Catholicke a Papist you say with your selfe a Papist also a payre of Italian Pygions tooke shypping on S. James euen at midnight c. If the Quéenes Maiesties Officers in Arundell had borne so good wyll to her maiestie and Countrey as by oath and alegiance they should haue doone your good Catholike Gentleman and you should haue béene brought backe againe to London and not haue béene in such hazarde of your liues at the Sea as you say you were from Sunday night till wednesday after noone But God wyll be reuenged vpon such brybing Officers as can looke thorow their fingers and suffer such good Catholicke Gentlemen as you and your guyde were to passe without examination contrarie to their oathe and alegiance to their Prince and Countrey Well you escaped that hazarde of your liues and arriued bothe in Fraunce at Diepe c Your trauell was great from Diepe to Roane from Roane to Paris from Paris to Rhemes where you stayed twelue month and more c. Sée how much wiser you be then Waltams Calfe that ranne nine miles after a Bull to sucke him You say that you ran welnere fourscore leagues that is almost eightscore myles And what other cause had you then such as may rightlie bee sayde to bee the desire to sucke a Bull At Rhemes you say you were excéeding well and lacked no necessities you should haue sayde necessaries being accompanied with two hundreth Englishmen welnie There you did goe or at the least should haue gone to the morning masse euerie day Héere you giue me some occasion to call to minde that saying Coelum non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt They that runne ouer the Sea doo not change their minde but the ayre You haue alwayes loued your cowche so well that you coulde not be the first that shoulde arise in the morning And when you were in Cambridge it was noted to be a great faulte in you that you would oftentimes pretende sicknes and the griefe of your Rupture so that you could not aryse to the morning exercise but to dinner you coulde come So I must thinke that though you did in Rhemes sléepe out your morrow masse yet you would not be found slacke at breakfast or at the least at dinner And this might bee some cause that you were not so well liked of in the Colledge at Rhemes for such as were studious there must sée that your running witt coulde not setle if selfe to any graue studie And therefore it was your best way to depart thence and to hide your selfe in a Fryers Cowle I remember a spéeche that Table players doo vse when such a chaunce riseth on the dice that they can not play to any aduauntage the partie that did caste the chaunce vseth to saye it is naught The other that playeth with him vseth to answere thus Then make a Fryer of it This spéeche was commenly vsed in Englande when the Orders of Fryers were in as high estimation in Englande as they are newe in Fraunce It did spring vp of that custome y t was then common amongst English men as it is newe in Fraunce and other Countreyes where the Orders of Friers be An idle Lubber that wyll not endure any honest labour wyll make shift to créepe into the habite of a Fryer wherein he may loyter and be fedde by the laboure of other men and by the sweat of other mens faces Of this more shalbe sayd when I haue occasion to write of your maner of entring into the profession of your S. Franncis Order You procéede in your discourse and thus you say The Fryer When I had for the space of sixteene of seuenteene monthes dwelt in Rhemes I longed verie much to goe to Rome in Italie to the English Colledge that our holy father the Popes holines maintained there for the conuersion of our miserable Countrey To Rome also I had gone if God of his wonderfull grace and mercie had not otherwise and in better sort prepared for me In the meane season I went to visite Churches to heare masses to kysse Saints Reliques to pray to God for you and for our Countrey in Fry●ies and Monasteries I liked very well the Gray Fryers the Augustine Fryars the Blacke Fryers otherwise called Carmelites the white Fryers and other sorts of Religion as also the Charterhouse Monkes the Blacke Monkes and others Whilst that I dyd thus take pleasure in visiting Fryeties Abbies Nunneries such other deuout places it pleased God to touch my hard hart and to mollifie it with the teares of deuotion To be briefe I toke in mind to leaue studie and to forsake the life of a Scholler which I ledde at the English Colledge and to make my selfe a Fryer or a Monke as others did I sought therefore by all meanes possible of mine owne free will no man constrayning me to leaue the worlde or worldlye thinges and be a Religious man I knewe not whether it were best for me to be a Charterhouse Monke or a Minime Fryer Which Fririe of Minimes is an extreme straight kind of life as afterward you shall heare Crowley Your sickle witte appeareth still more and more You were verie well you say in the Colledge at Rhemes yet after seauentéene monthes aboade there you longed verie much to goe to Rome in Italie by like y e exercise of learning in Rhemes was greater then your idle head could away with and therefore you longed so greatlie to goe to Rome in hope to finde a more idle life there To goe from place to place from Frierie to Frierie from the Nunnes to the Munckes to heare masse and to kisse the Reliques of Saintes was a iollye idle life But I pray you are you assured that the Reliques that you kissed were the Reliques of Saintes When the Reliques that were in Churches in Englande came into the hands of them that could and would consider them with indifferent eyes I my selfe sawe one bone that had a Label of parchment fastened to it wherein was written Os sancti Bartholomei A bone of S. Bartholomew But when this bone

dayes that they shall continue in this transitory life Yea and they doo constantly beléeue all that she hath taught or dooth teache and they doo dailie craue of God that they may be made able to beléeue and boldly confesse all that she shall teache so long as they shalbe liuing on this earth If thys be your meaning they doo most hartily thank you for your fréendly and christian admonition But it séemeth to me that the holie mother that you speake of is another whom men of your sort call the Romish Catholicke Church Your father and mother Iohn and Catherine Debnam and as manie as be of one mind with them doo vtterlie refuse that mother because she vseth to teache manye moe false lyes then true lessons They dare not rowle themselues vp and downe in her lap because she is not y e chaste spouse of Christ Iesus but that arrant whore of Babilon that murdereth the chyldren saints of God Our mother hath told vs that our father hath commanded vs to beléeue in one God onely which beeing thrée in person is but one in substance essence power but your mother teacheth you to beléeue in manie Gods For she teacheth you to cal vpon Angels and saints and what is that other then to teache you to beléeue in them For s paule writeth thus in his Epistle to the Romans Cha. 10. Quomodo inuocabunt in quē non crediderunt How shall they cal vpon him in whom they haue not beleued Our mother hath told vs that our father hath forbidden vs to make to our selues anie grauen Images or the likenes of any thing that is in heauen aboue or in the earth benethe c. But your mother teacheth you to make the Images of men of Angelles yea and of God himselfe whom neuer man could sée and to set them vppe in your Churches to burne Incence vnto them to set light before them to offer gifts vnto them to fal downe before them and to make prayers before them all which is directly contrary to our heauenly fathers commaundement Our mother hath tolde vs that our father hath forbidden vs to take his name in vaine and that he hath commaunded vs to sweare by him onely and not by anie other But your mother teacheth you to sweare by your idolatrous masse by your saints and by the Images of your saints and to profane the blessed name of God in making your superstitious vowes and in all your exorcismes coniurations Our mother hath told vs that our fathers will is that we should spende the Saboth day holilie and not to profane it in anie condition But your mother telleth you that you may daunce dallie and sporte and plaie bayt Bulles and Beares and giue your selues to all other pastimes on the Sabothe daie so that you dispatche your Idolatrous seruice in your Churches either before or after but you must in any case take heede that you giue not your self to any good exercise in that day Our mother telleth vs that our fathers pleasure is that we shold shew due obedience to such as are in any respect our fathers or mothers and y t we ought to honor them and be of duetiful behauiour towards them yea and if néede shal so require to ayde succor and reléeue them in such measure as GOD shall make vs able But your mother teacheth you to say Corban as the Pharesyes taught theyr Schollers when our Sauiour Christ was amongst them Let your olde Father and Mother Iohn and Catherine Debnam sterue in England by reason that being aged and impotent they can not by laboure procure thinges néedefull as in youth they did and fedde both themselues and you with the rest of theyr chyldren Theyr sonne Samuell must if he will hearken to his new mother of Rome liue still in Fraunce béeing fedde and sustayned by the labour of others and write to his Father and Mother bee their case neuer so harde that he must fast and pray and whippe himselfe for their sinnes and obserue the Rule of a bonehome all the dayes of his life and not come ouer into England and lay hys lasie limmes to any honest laboure whereby he may eate his own breade and helpe to féede the féeble bodies of his decayed Father and Mother or doo any honest seruice in the Common weale of hys Countrey Yea that mother of his telleth him that he is exempted from all secular power and so sequestred from the world that he may not imploy himselfe or suffer himselfe to be imployed in dooing any good therein Our Mother hath tolde vs that we may not shedde any mans bloud for who so shall doo so shall haue his bloude shedde by man But your mother telleth you that if you can shed the bloud euen of Princes that be Protestants you shall thereby purchase forgiuenes of all your sinnes and be canonized for a saint and haue your name written in the Popes Calender yea and you shall be called vppon in the Letanie amongst such as the Pope alloweth of for saints Sancte Samuele Iohannes Francisce or a pro nobis O holye Samuell Iohn Frauncis pray for vs. Our mother hath told vs that our fathers wyll is that we should kéepe our bodies vndefiled by adulterie or fornication and that he wyll destroy them that shal defile his Temple which is the body of euery Christian eyther by fornication or adultery and therefore he would haue all men and women that haue not chaste mindes in chast bodies to match them selues in chaste mariage But your mother hath taught you to vowe a wiueles lyfe net knowing whether God wyll make you able to performe that vowe or not So that although you shall burne in concupiscence neuer so much yet mary you may not to kéepe your body vndefiled for you haue forsworne that remedye which is the onely remedie that God hath appointed Our mother hath tolde vs that our father hath forbidde vs to steale or to take anie thing that doth not by some iust title belong to vs eyther by force or by fraude But your mother teacheth you to robbe God of his glory yea and to challenge and clayme to your self that which belongeth onely to him as the appoynting of a mediator and the meanes of mediation for the obtayning of pardon and forgiuenes of sinnes which you assigne to Angels and saints and to massyng Priestes and to your selues and to al other merite mongers Perswading the poore and simple people that wyll harken vnto you that by your austeritie of life your going and lying woolwarde your rysing at midnight your singing your saying your fasting your praying and by your whypping and scourging theyr sinnes shalbe forgiuen because they féede and mayntain you in idlenes by their fore labours and thus you robbe and spoile them of the fruite of their labours vnder pretence of long prayers and such other hipocriticall workes as the Pharesies did Mathew 23. But our mother hath tolde vs and we beléeue it that our