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B07995	The Catholikes supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie, for toleration of Catholike religion in England: with short notes or animaduersions in the margine. : Whereunto is annexed parallel-wise, a supplicatorie counterpoyse of the Protestants, vnto the same most excellent Maiestie. : Together with the reasons of both sides, for and against toleration of diuers religions..	Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.	1603 (1603)	STC 20141.5; ESTC S94766	17,197	37

opinion of learning of his disloyall carriage of his number and dependencie at home and abroade IIII. REASON The French King hath graunted a toleration of both Religions Out of the 7. Section which is the cause of quietnes in his kingdome Ergo The King of England may doe so likewise ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 The cause of quietnes in Fraunce was not toleration but the banishment of the Iesuites See the Counterpoyse Sect. 7. 2 The contrarie religion in Fraunce is tolerated of necessitie and disabilitie of the Catholikes part to expugne and ruine the other as it was in the time of Charles the ninth and Henrie the third 3 Such as the French King doth tolerate doe in opinion derogate nothing from his Soueraigntie nor in action attempt any thing against his person But it is and euer was otherwise with Papists in England II. To the Consequence 1 Men liue by the rule of Reason and law not by examples 2 The French King holdeth correspondence in religion with the Pope therefore in a question of the worship and seruice of the Lord he cannot be a fit president to a Christian Prince professing the Gospell 3 Though the French King permitteth the free exercise of the Gospell a doctrine lawfull in it selfe and holie which derogateth nothing from Princes soueraigntie yet may not the King of England permit Papistrie the doctrine being Antichristian and vnlawfull in it selfe ioyned also with dishonor and perill 4 The French King alloweth toleration to such who acknowledge him for their lawfull Soueraigne who neuer plotted against his Crowne and life nor can be induced vpon any suggestion so to doe whereas his Maiestie of England is solicited to yeeld it to such who hold that he is an Heretike that hee may be diuested by the Popes Bull of his imperiall Crowne and regalities who haue disposed of their allegeance to a forraine Prince who neuer cease from proiects and practises for alteration who in fittest oportunitie vpon mandate from the Pope are readie to take armes for the subuersion of his Scepter and state of his royall person and of the Gospell V. REASON Vpon graunt of toleration England will not be odious to all Christian Nations for cruell persecution of Catholikes Out of the 8. Section as now they are Ergo Toleration should in good reason be allowed and maintained ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 England is not odious to all Christian Nations neither did it euer within the supposed time persecute Catholikes but punish Traytors Toleration being admitted yet will not such as hate England cease to hate her still because of the disgrace that must relie vpon Poperie his Maiestie the State and almosy all the subiects professing the Gospell II. To the Consequence 1 To graunt toleration that England might not be slaundered for proceedings against Papists and hated by those of that faction were for curing of the headach to knock out the braines If we consider the parties that hate vs the insufficient ground they haue for their hating vs the little measure of preiudice or dammage that commeth thereof and on the other side the ineuitable dishonour the daunger and mischiefe of toleration we shall see that the former is not worthie any regard when there is question of the latter 3 The surcease of Catholike-hate being altogether vncertaine and accidentarie it cannot be in policie a sufficient ground for imbracing of dangerous toleration VI REASON Toleration will stay hostile attempts of Catholikes against the Realme and so Traffique will be free Out of the 8. Section Subsidies and Taxes shall not be so many c. Ergo Toleration is to be imbraced ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 It is not the cause of Religion though it hath been some part of their pretence that embarked enemies against this land But violent humours of ambition to a Monarchy of malice and reuenge vpon supposed indignities the securing of their owne greatnes by impayring their Neighbours c. therefore toleration cannot redresse hostilitie 2 Suppose Religion the cause yet it is not toleration but alteration that they aime at and therfore their hostile practises and machinations are vnlikely to cease for toleration 3 Hostile attempts may cease without toleration as by disabilitie on the aduerse part necessitie compulsion c. II. To the Consequence 1 Euill must not be done that good may come thereof Toleration of Idolatrie cannot be denied to be euill 2 Of two euils the lesser is to be chosen Hostile attempts may endaunger the bodie Toleration damneth the soule VII REASON Toleration will be gratefull to all Catholike Princes abroad Out of the 9. Section Ergo It ought to be granted ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 Alteration would be more gratefull vnto Catholike Princes then toleration should alteration therefore be graunted II. To the Consequence 1 Should his royal Maiestie graunt an impietie and hazard his royal estate and person yea his subiects and the Gospel to gratifie Catholike Princes 2 Whether it be right in the sight of God to obey you rather then God iudgeye Act. 4.19 3 If I should please men I were not the seruant of Christ saith the Apostle Galat. 1.10 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 VII REASON Out of the 9. Section All English subiects would be acceptable to all Catholike countries who are now almost abhorred of all if toleration were graunted Ergo Toleration is not to be denied ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 It is false that Englishmen are abhorred of all Catholike countries otherwise then for their religion as all other Protestants be 2 Suppose a toleration yet dissension in religion extinguisheth acceptation in affection therefore it is not probable that English subiects being Protestants in religion should be esteemed and accepted among such as are of a contrarie faction 3 Nullus est fidus eorum affectus quorum est diuersa fides saith Hierome 4 Not toleration but plaine alteration would peraduenture make English subiects acceptable II. To the consequence 1 No sinne must be committed against God for gaining of particular aduantage 2 It is a grosse error in pollicie in hope of idle and accidentarie reputation to make choice of certaine mischiefe IX REASON Out of the 9. Section Vpon toleration of Catholike Religion we shall enioy assured peace Swordes shall bee changed into ploughes and launces into sithes Ergo Toleration is to be admitted ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 Religion is not the cause of disturbance of peace and hostile attempts against this kingdome as hath been said alreadie 2 If it were the cause yet the Gospell which is the thing they would extirpate should remaine still for all toleration so that warres are not likely to cease 3 Toleration would hatch simultation iarres discord dissension and at last deadly warre rather then peace 4 If Papists still attempted treasons in time of their restraint in Queene Elizabeths dayes is it not probable that hauing more libertie they would be more treacherous

should make of him Catholike Princes abroad and honourable to your Maiestie to vnderstand how Queene 22 Causelesse complaints as his Maiestie well knoweth Elizabeths seueritie is chaunged into your royall clemencie and that the lenitie of a man reedified that which the misinformed anger of a woman destroyed That the Lion rampant is passant whereas the passant had been rampant How acceptable shall all your subiects be to all Catholike countries who are now almost abhorred 23 Of none but of the wicked of all when they shall perceiue your Highnes prepareth not pikes and prisons for the professours of their faith but permitteth them Temples and Altars for the vse of their Religion Then shall wee see with our eyes and touch with our fingers that happie benediction of Esay in this land * Esay 2.4 that 24 A plaine non sequitur for you speake by contraries swords are changed into ploughs and launces in to sithes And all Nations admiring vs will say Hi sunt semen cui benedixit Dominus 10 We request no more fauour at your Graces hands then that wee may securely 25 Yea but the Magistrate is keeper of the whole Decalogue whereby Idolatrie is flatly forbidden professe that Catholike Religion which all your happie Predecessours professed from 26 Poperie was not hatched in Donaldus his daies Donaldus the first conuerted vnto your Maiesties peerelesse Mother last martyred 11 A Religion 27 Woe be to them that call darknes light Esay 5.20 This whole section is a plain begging of the Question venerable for antiquitie maiesticall for 28 So is Turcisme and Paganisme amplitude constant for continuance irreprehensible for doctrine inducing to all kinde of 29 You would say Treason and Rebellion against lawfull Princes vertue and pietie disswading from all sinne and wickednes A Religion beloued by all primitiue Pastours established by all Oecumenicall Councels vpheld by all ancient Doctors maintained by the first and most Christian Emperours recorded almost alone in all Ecclesiasticall Histories sealed with the bloud of millions of Martyrs adorned with the vertues of so many Confessors beautified with the puritie of thousands of Virgines so 30 A fit commendation for Papistrie to be nothing but meere sensualitie Malum ouum mali corui conformable to naturall sense and reason and finally so agreeable to the sacred text of Gods word and Gospell The free vse of this Religion wee request if not in publike Churches at least in priuate houses if not with approbation yet with toleration without molestation 12 Assure your Grace that howsoeuer some 31 Mutato nomine de te ô Papista Fabula narratur Protestants or Puritanes incited by morall honestie of life or innated instinct of nature or for feare of some temporal punishment pretend obedience vnto your Highnes lawes yet certainly the onely Catholikes for conscience sake obserue them For they defending that Princes precepts and statutes oblige no subiect vnder the 32 A grosse calumniation as if we defended that the wicked for disobedience should feele no penaltie but only should be disquieted with the guilt of sinne and not rather that penaltie is an infallible consequence of the guilt if both be not taken away by Christ penaltie of sinne will little care in conscience to transgresse them which principally are tormented with the guilt of sinne But Catholikes confessing merite in 33 True in obeying the Popes decrees and commandements but not Princes precepts except it stand with the Popes good liking obeying and demerite in transgressing cannot but in soule be grieuously 3r Yea but all these tortures will soone be alaied euen by one breath of a Babylonian Bull. tortured at the least preuarication thereof 13 Wherefore most mercifull Soueraigne wee your long afflicted subiects in all dutifull submission 35 Timeas Danaos vel dona ferentes As if the Pope by one word were not able to dispence with all this and to cause any Papist to doe any thing euen at a becke vnder paine of the greater curse and eternall damnation of bodie and soule in case of refusall O Lord open the eyes of these men protest before the Maiestie of God and all his holie Angels as loyall obedience and as immaculate allegeance vnto your Grace as euer did faithful subiects in England or Scotland vnto your Highnes progenitours and intend as sincerelie with our goods and liues to serue you as euer did the loyallest Israelites King Dauid or the trustie legions the Romane Emperours 14 And thus expecting your Maiestie customarie fauour and gracious bountie wee rest your deuoted Suppliants to him whose hands doe mannage the hearts of Kings and with reciprocate mercie will requite the mercifull Your sacred Maiesties most deuoted Seruants The Catholikes of England THE PROTESTANTS COVNTERPOYSE Most puissant Prince and mightie Monarch 1_SVch are the rare perfections and admirable gifts of wisedome prudence valour iustice religion and godlinesse wherwith the bountiful hand of Gods diuine Maiestie hath endued your Maiestie as in the depth of your prouident iudgement we doubt not but you foresee what concerneth both the spirituall and temporall gouernment of al your kingdoms and dominions 2 Notwithstanding your Graces most faithfull subiects and deuoted seruants the Protestants of England partlie to preuent sinister suggestions against the peace of our Church and Common-wealth which happily might importune your sacred Maiestie partly almost not long sithence as men in danger to be exposed as a pray vnto the enemie to be ouerwhelmed with persecutions for our consciences we are inforced to haue speedie recourse for present redresse from your Highnesse and to present these humble lines vnto your royall person to pleade for vs your Maiesties gratious fauour and princely patronage 3 What allegeance or dutie can any King or earthly Prince desire or expect at his vassals hands which we either doe not presently yeeld or are not addressed to performe How many Noble-men and worthie Gentlemen most zealous in the true Christian Religion haue euer specially respected your Maiesties sacred person How many haue most carefully religiously for conscience sake in our late soueraigne Queene Elizabeth of blessed memorie her happie daies for the satisfying of their owne dutie and the establishing of the ignorant and doubtfull mindes of their friends and fauourites priuately without contention breach of law or disloyaltie to their Prince conferred together and explicated your Highnes iust and lawfull title for the aduancement of your successiue right vnto the Scepter of Albion Nay who euer trauersed but a For all Papists intended to set vp some one of their sect and faction especially the Infanta of Spaine Protestants for your Maiesties present title dominion 4 If this they did in the life of our late Soueraigne not to flatter and dissemble with your Grace but for iustice and equitie for truth and conscience cause what will they doe nay what will they not doe to liue in grace without

daungerous and damnable k Vide Orat. ad Reg. Galliae de Restit Iesuit Eman. Sa. in aphorism Confessariorum Bellarm lib. de Exempt Clericorum propositions 1. That the Pope hath power to excommunicate Kings 2. That he hath power to absolue subiects from their faith and alleageance 3. That the Pope may depose Princes from their Scepter and Crowne and giue the same vnto another 4. That any priuate man may be made executioner to murther or to poyson the excommunicated King 5. That faith must not be kept with Heretikes 6. That whosoeuer is not within the communion of the Romish Church is an Heretike and consequently that your highnes is such a one 7. That no Cleargie-man can commit treason against any temporall King because he is not the Kings subiect but the Popes and such like care not in conscience at the Popes becke nay thinke it high merit if he so commaund not onely to transgresse your lawes but also to lay violent hands and to murder your sacred person which God forbid But Protestants hauing learned to * Matth. 22.21 giue vnto Caesar the things of Caesar and to God the things of God and to obey the * Rom. 13.1 higher powers which are the ordinance of God cannot but in soule be grieuously tortured for the least preuarication of the Magistrates iust necessarie or conuenient lawes 13 Wherefore most gracious Soueraigne wee your euer-faithfull subiects in all dutifull submission vow and protest before the Maiestie of God and all his holy Angels as loyall obedience and as immaculate allegeance vnto your Grace as euer did faithfull subiects in England or Scotland vnto your Highnes progenitors and predecessors and intend as sincerely with our goods and liues to serue you as euer did the loyallest Israelites King Dauid or the trustie legions the Romane Emperours 14 And thus not doubting of your Maiesties constant profession of true Religion and godly care for the rooting out of all Idolatrie we rest your deuoted suppliants to him whose hands doe mannage the hearts of Kings and with reciprocate Honor will honor them that honor him Your sacred Maiesties most faithfull Seruants The Protestants of England A BRIEFE CONSIDERATION OF THE CATHOLIKES REASONS FOR TOLERATION OF THEIR Religion in England intimated in their Supplication to his Highnes I. REASON The Catholikes are readie to performe any allegeance or dutie that the King can desire or expect at their hands Out of the 3. Section of the Supplication Ergo It may please his Maiestie to graunt them a toleration of their Religion ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 The Antecedent must be vnderstoode conditionally vid. If the King will graunt a toleration then the Papists say they will be dutifull else they will not but will runne on the old bias againe for practise and treacherie against his Royall Person and the State as they were wont in Queene Elizabeths time But if they will not bee dutifull Subiects for conscience sake as they are bound to be Our dread Soueraigne in my opinion shall haue small good of their mercenarie seruice 2 Popish Religion in the Articles thereof is treason against the lawfull authoritie and state of our King See the Counterpoyse Sect. 12. Therefore whatsoeuer the Papists either protest or pretend it skilles not they can be no loyall Subiects so long as the Pope may discharge them from allegeance to their Prince See note 35. 3 By vertue of Popish Religion the Ecclesiasticall state challengeth immunitie and exemption from his Highnes power iudiciall courts and in case of ordinarie contributions they withdraw their allegeance from the King vnto the obedience of a forraine Potentate denying him an absolute power in his owne Dominions II. To the Consequence 1 Howsoeuer his Maiestie in policie might wish all Papists within his Dominions to be dutifull and obedient Subiects yet cannot his Highnes allow and accept of the course leading thereunto vnlesse he finde it warranted by the law of God such as toleration of Popish Idolatrie can neuer be 2 The practises of the Papists being vncertaine it fits not the deepe reach of a Prince to remedie vncertaine and lesser accidents by opening free passage to more assured and greater perils II. REASON Out of the third and fourth section The Catholikes haue been very forward in maintaining and defending the Kings iust and lawfull title to the Scepter of Albion Ergo His Maiestie might doe well to gratifie them with a toleration ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 If the Papists were so firme as now they say for the Kings lawfull title they would not haue been so forward for the Infantaes pretended title as they haue 2 Graunt they were so forward for his Maiesties title yet it is very credible that they were but mercenarie Iudases for Quid vultis mihi dare ego tradam c. They would doe somewhat vpon hope of toleration els iust nothing for conscience and equitie 3 This which they pretend should seeme to be in Queene Elizabeths daies which if it were so on their part was great disloyaltie to their Prince And it may well be thought that traiterous hearts to Queene Elizabeth can be none of the faithfullest Subiects to King Iames. II. To the Consequence 1 Suppose it lawfull in Queene Elizabeths daies for Catholikes to flie from their countrie and to be factiously forward for the Kings lawfull title they did but their dutie Yet is it not lawfull for his Maiestie to permit the free exercise of Idolatrie which were plaine impietie 2 If this also were lawfull in it selfe yet were it no policie to graunt the Papists a toleration considering their intention and aime for alteration their number dependencie confederacie forraine and domestike and other correspondent abilities strong and to be suspected III. REASON Puritanes and Atheists being of contrary Religion to the Protestants are tolerated in England Out of the 6. Section Ergo His Maiestie may with like reason tolerate the free exercise of the Catholike Religion ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 Such as doe scandalouslie or schismaticallie withdraw themselues from our publike congregations and refuse to serue the Lord together with vs are not permitted but punished by our lawes 2 Puritanes as they terme them are not contrarie to the Protestants in Religion See before note 11. 3 As for Atheisme it is not publikely professed in England and therefore there can be no permission thereof See note 15. II. To the Consequence 1 Vpon supposed toleration of the factious and schismaticall Puritane there is no reason for toleration of the Papist for diuers causes videl I. The Puritane holdes no opinion directly opposit either to the Maiestie of God or his Highnes Soueraigntie But the Papist doth II. If the Puritaine did offend any of these wayes yet should not the Papist be admitted for so the number of bad subiects should be encreased 2 The Papist is more daungerous then the Puritaine or Atheist by reason of his